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10:56:36 <Robert> Hi I440r.
10:56:51 <I440r> hi :)
10:59:40 <I440r> so whussup ?
10:59:50 <I440r> done any more isforth coding ???
11:01:23 <Robert> Hehe, nah :P
11:01:27 <Robert> Getting more into AVR coding,
11:03:17 <I440r> bleh :P
11:03:29 <Robert> You're into microcontrollers, right?
11:35:20 <I440r> .
11:35:20 <I440r> 3+
11:51:21 <tathi> I440r: stack underflow! ;)
11:53:11 <Robert> I440r: ?
12:15:55 <I440r> anyone awake ?
12:18:02 <Robert> Kind of.
12:18:27 <Herkamire> me
12:18:32 <tathi> I'm not
12:18:32 <Herkamire> me me me
12:34:57 <Herkamire> I440r: what do you want man?
12:35:18 <tathi> yeah, why'd you ask if anyone was awake if you weren't going to say anything? :)
12:37:13 <Herkamire> I440r: are _you_ awake?
12:37:29 <Herkamire> heckle heckle
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15:38:21 <I440r> tcn!
15:38:27 <I440r> i installed fbsd :)
15:38:32 <I440r> but i hate it already :P
15:40:26 <tcn> what ver?
15:41:07 <I440r> err 4.6
15:41:40 <tcn> must be pretty new, but still the same
15:41:55 <I440r> 4.7 is out now
15:42:09 <I440r> you can help me with something
15:42:26 <tcn> i'm not working on an assembler
15:42:39 <I440r> i was trying to pkg_add mc but after 2 hours of downloading and extracting i gave up. someone told me to cd /usr/ports/blah/mc and make install
15:42:52 <I440r> i did so but 'mc [enter]' doesnt find mc
15:42:52 <tcn> heheheh
15:43:11 <tcn> rehash?
15:43:22 <I440r> hang on
15:43:35 <I440r> bash rehash command not found
15:43:41 <tcn> hash
15:43:49 <tcn> relogin?
15:43:58 <tcn> check your path
15:44:33 <I440r> no. find / -name mc only finds it in the port work/src directory and under /tmp
15:44:37 <I440r> its NOT installed
15:44:47 <I440r> but OTHER parts of mc ARE installed
15:44:52 <I440r> just not the fucking mc executable
15:44:54 <tcn> hm
15:45:03 <tcn> i dunno
15:45:08 <tcn> what's mc?
15:45:23 <I440r> midnight commander
15:45:50 <I440r> windowmaker installed just fine but for some reason its not able to allocate colors so it looks like shit right now - ill fix that later hhe
15:46:14 <tcn> yeah, use your Linux xf86config file
15:46:52 <I440r> good thunkin. except. in linux its xf86config-4 or something
15:46:57 <I440r> just copy it in and rename it ?
15:47:06 <tcn> yeah
15:47:31 <tcn> as long as it's still compatible.. XF86 runs under both OS's so I'd think so
15:47:56 <I440r> yea
15:48:17 <I440r> lol why is it that when ever you log in my dogs start pestering me for walkies :P
15:48:19 <I440r> lol
15:48:22 <I440r> ill brb
15:48:24 <I440r> dont go away :P
15:48:28 <tcn> don't trust linux & freebsd to write each other's partitions..mount them r/o
15:48:43 <I440r> wasnt planning on that :)
15:48:53 <tcn> allright i'm gonna play some angband
15:48:54 <I440r> i dont trust them not to go to war with each other heh
15:49:01 <I440r> cool - ill brb :)
15:54:16 <tcn> holy shit.. i searched for my name and I found another Tom C Novelli
16:19:25 <I440r> lol
16:19:25 <I440r> doppleganger!
16:19:28 <I440r> i gtg to store too, i forgot about that, 15 20 mins max
16:21:00 <tcn> see ya
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16:40:05 <TheBlueWizard> hiya all
17:03:49 <TheBlueWizard> bye all
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17:57:37 <Fractal> y0
17:58:12 <Fractal> That's a sure fire sign of a crappy IRC net: You've been connected longer than chanserv... :(
18:30:03 <I440r> who?
18:30:03 <I440r> heh
18:30:03 <I440r> oh heheh
18:30:33 <I440r> they are always doing shit with chanserv
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18:35:36 <gilbertbsd> hi i440
18:35:39 <gilbertbsd> are you up?
18:37:49 <I440r> hi
18:37:51 <I440r> yea im here
18:37:54 <gilbertbsd> good good.
18:37:59 <I440r> could have done with your help earlier :P
18:38:11 <gilbertbsd> you booted back into freebsd? 
18:38:31 <I440r> yea and i cd'd into mc's ports directory and did a make install
18:38:45 <I440r> but althouth it installed mc it didnt install mc
18:38:54 <I440r> it sort of insstalled it
18:39:03 <gilbertbsd> hmmm. that sounds uneven.
18:39:10 <I440r> all the conf files and other things were installed but the mc executable itself wasnt installed
18:39:28 <I440r> i manually coppied the executable into /usr/local.bin
18:39:34 <I440r> er /
18:39:59 <gilbertbsd> it shouldn't require you to do that.
18:40:16 <gilbertbsd> you do a 'make, make install, make depends (sometimes) and then make clean.
18:40:19 <gilbertbsd> or do a make all
18:40:22 <I440r> well maybe the install for the port is slightly b0rken
18:40:33 <I440r> i did make, make install 
18:40:42 <I440r> didnt bother with make clean tho heh 
18:40:50 <gilbertbsd> hmmm. when in doubt, do a make all
18:41:02 <I440r> oh - how do i change the size of my console ?
18:41:07 <I440r> 80x25 sucks 
18:41:21 <gilbertbsd> you gotta have svga running.
18:41:29 <I440r> ugh no thanx
18:41:38 <I440r> svga looks like shit
18:41:39 <gilbertbsd> do a vid<ctrl>d
18:41:40 <I440r> fucked up fonts
18:41:45 <gilbertbsd> in tcsh...
18:41:54 <I440r> i dont use tcsh
18:41:58 <I440r> i did a chsh bash
18:42:03 <gilbertbsd> oh okay...
18:42:11 <gilbertbsd> how do you get command completion? esc?
18:42:16 <I440r> yes
18:42:24 <gilbertbsd> ah okay do vid esc
18:42:34 <gilbertbsd> and it should come as one of the few options...
18:42:40 <I440r> ok
18:42:46 <I440r> tab is used for completion tho  :)
18:42:48 <gilbertbsd> you can then change the video mode with that ... and the fonts too.
18:43:19 <I440r> does fbsd support a frame buffer ?
18:43:31 <gilbertbsd> I don't know.
18:43:50 <gilbertbsd> it should though...
18:44:06 <gilbertbsd> ... I had a question about the '8086' book...
18:44:41 <gilbertbsd> is it an asm programming tutorial or it just contains the mnemonics?
18:45:13 <I440r> no. its a complete technical reference for the intel 8086
18:45:27 <I440r> it gives all the instruction mneumonics and their opcodes etc
18:45:31 <gilbertbsd> ah okay... so the info therein contained can be found on the web...
18:45:35 <I440r> its not a tutorial in asm 
18:45:39 <gilbertbsd> ah okay.
18:45:51 <gilbertbsd> have you been to sandpile.org ?
18:45:55 <I440r> yes but not anywhere as well presented
18:46:06 <I440r> specially not on intels site today
18:46:15 <I440r> intels technical references are FUCKED UP big time
18:46:26 <I440r> they DO give you all the info
18:46:29 <gilbertbsd> I think you might like whats at sandpile then.
18:46:35 <I440r> but its scattered throughout 23495632956298454359847 gigs of pdf file
18:46:44 <I440r> yes sandpile is ok
18:46:48 <gilbertbsd> and the pdf files are similary named...
18:47:01 <I440r> but browsing is a realy poor way of studying 
18:47:19 <I440r> they always bury shit into 29864569856842 levels of html file
18:47:29 <I440r> you get a little eentsy weentsy bit of info
18:47:41 <I440r> plus 824375982359375 links to other pages
18:48:06 <I440r> each of which states in great detail a VERY small bit of info and gives links to 2345629845938256892 other pages....
18:48:12 <gilbertbsd> there is no way of making the chip spitout its opcodes/mnemonics is there?
18:48:20 <I440r> no
18:48:41 <gilbertbsd> pity. with the abundance of memory these days, one woulda thunk.
18:49:21 <I440r> sandpile IS good but online docs are never as good as physical
18:49:53 <gilbertbsd> yeah I was preparing to print the stuff out, but sandpile has a weird format...
18:50:04 <gilbertbsd> they have a table, and they have links in the table that lead back to the same table.
18:50:31 <gilbertbsd> so I couldn't find the opcodes for rol sar etc... even though they have a link to it.
18:52:16 <I440r> heh
18:52:36 <I440r> that generally means they are linking to somewhere within the same page
18:52:36 <I440r> just scroll down a little
18:53:15 <gilbertbsd> nah I looked and looked.
18:54:04 <gilbertbsd> take a look at this : http://www.sandpile.org/ia32/opc_grp.htm
18:55:50 <I440r> yea ive seen it
18:56:05 <I440r> i also dont like their format
18:56:44 <gilbertbsd> there is a better one here: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22x86+opcodes%22+group:comp.lang.asm.x86&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=4stbo7%247r7%40news.indy.net&rnum=2
18:56:47 <gilbertbsd> but its all in binary.
18:57:20 <I440r> realy should be done in octal
18:57:43 <gilbertbsd> octal? why not hex?
18:58:33 <I440r> because the x86 has an OCTALLY encoded instruction set
18:59:19 <I440r> which even INTEL glosses over
18:59:56 <gilbertbsd> hmmm. so they are trying to pull a fast one on themselves.
19:01:05 <I440r> dunno. but intel has a history of lying through their teeth about their processors
19:01:27 <I440r> like the 8086/8088 book i told you about goes at great length about their instruction pipeline
19:01:51 <I440r> but the truth is the first processor they ever did with any pipelining at all was the 386
19:02:32 <I440r> part of the reason i never purchace any computers that use a "genuinte" intel processor
19:02:56 <gilbertbsd> so what do you purchase instead?
19:02:57 <gilbertbsd> amd?
19:03:05 <gilbertbsd> or cyrix? or celeron?
19:03:38 <I440r> yes
19:03:56 <I440r> i wanna go watch this tv program
19:03:56 <I440r> celeron is intel
19:03:56 <I440r> i use amd only
19:04:14 <gilbertbsd> ah okay...
19:04:18 <gilbertbsd> I gotta run myself.
19:04:21 <gilbertbsd> the lab is closing :9
19:04:22 <gilbertbsd> :(
19:04:30 <gilbertbsd> see you around...
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