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05:16:23 <Serg_Penguin> hi
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05:46:10 <Serg_Penguin> hi
05:49:11 <Robert> Hi.
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10:40:59 <gilbertbsd> hello
10:42:14 <Robert> Hi :)
10:42:32 <gilbertbsd> Robert have you ever used ketman?
10:44:36 <Robert> Nope, what's that?
10:44:50 <gilbertbsd> thats what I wanted to ask you about.
10:44:57 <gilbertbsd> it is an interpreter for assembler.
10:46:29 <Robert> Heh.
10:46:34 <Robert> Sounds more than useless =
10:46:39 <gilbertbsd> is that how the asm in forth behaves?
10:46:44 <gilbertbsd> no its for newbies silly!
10:46:48 <Robert> I mean, in a world of PC simulators...
10:46:50 <Robert> Heh, OK.
10:46:51 <gilbertbsd> <--- newbie
10:46:59 <Robert> Well..
10:47:08 <Robert> Of course assembly isn't "interpreted".
10:47:12 <Robert> Only by the CPU.
10:47:21 <gilbertbsd> you can 'see' the registers changing and stuff.
10:47:28 <gilbertbsd> and its really cool that way.
10:48:07 <Robert> Well..
10:48:19 <Robert> Is it an "assembler interpreter" or a normal PC simulator?
10:48:50 <gilbertbsd> hmmm not sure... It says 'ketman assembly language tutorial'.
10:49:22 <gilbertbsd> and the text has an interpreter which you can step through. on the other side of the screen, you can see the registers and stuff changing.
10:50:04 <gilbertbsd> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Office/6208/brownshot.png
10:50:08 <gilbertbsd> there you can see it for yourself.
10:50:19 <Robert> Hmm..
10:50:26 <Robert> Now I remember where I hear ketman...
10:50:46 <Robert> Heard
10:50:47 <gilbertbsd> the main reason I am asking about it is that I am wondering if forth does the same thing...
10:51:14 <Robert> "Same thing"?
10:51:29 <gilbertbsd> yes... as in a step through assembler.
10:53:01 <Robert> Uh.
10:53:06 <Robert> I don't get what you mean.
10:53:21 <gilbertbsd> you can write asm in forth yes?
10:53:37 <Robert> If the Foth you use has an assembler, yes.
10:54:03 <gilbertbsd> hmm do you know of a forth (in nasm or x86 asm) with an assembler?
10:55:31 <Robert> No.
10:55:35 <Robert> But I don't know alot.
10:55:38 <Robert> Check forth.org
10:55:47 <gilbertbsd> did you see the picture?
10:56:16 <Robert> No.
10:56:35 <gilbertbsd> well go on and take a look. Don't be shy ;)
10:57:15 * Robert is shy.
10:57:32 <gilbertbsd> hawwww.
10:57:52 <gilbertbsd> you can wear dark glasses and a sombrero when viewing the site.
10:57:59 <gilbertbsd> No one will recognize you then ;)
10:58:07 <Robert> I'm wondering what the hell you're trying to say... If Forth "works like an assembler interpreter".
10:58:22 <gilbertbsd> if forth has an assembler interpreter.
10:58:28 <gilbertbsd> I thought I heard something like that.
10:58:29 <Robert> Of course not.
10:58:33 <Robert> Heh.
10:58:34 <Robert> No!
10:58:41 <Robert> It assembles the assembly =)
10:59:25 <gilbertbsd> indeed.
10:59:34 <gilbertbsd> what is the general syntax?
11:02:06 <Robert> Haha!
11:02:25 <gilbertbsd> haha? 
11:02:37 <Robert> There is none :)
11:02:42 <Robert> Everyone does what he feels like.
11:02:49 <Robert> That's the whole Forth world in a nutshell :P
11:02:57 <Robert> (Except the portable Forth systems, of course)
11:03:06 <gilbertbsd> the syntax for the asm in forth does not exist?
11:06:24 <Robert> Erm... of course it exists, but it varies from assembler to assembler.
11:06:37 <Robert> It's like asking for what color a cat has :)
11:06:50 <gilbertbsd> I know the cat is not infra-red.
11:07:09 <Robert> Good.
11:07:13 <Robert> Niether is a Forth assembler.
11:07:17 <Robert> Now we know that.
11:08:06 <gilbertbsd> well... for pfe ... what is the format?
11:09:00 <Robert> No fucking idea.
11:09:07 <Robert> RTFM :)
11:09:12 <gilbertbsd> which one do _you_ know?
11:09:48 <Robert> None.
11:12:47 <gilbertbsd> mkay.
11:14:50 <Robert> NASM is The King.
11:18:42 <onetom> question again: who lives in amsterdam, hollandia? or has contacts there?
11:19:13 <onetom> imean who amongst ppl of #forth
11:20:06 <Robert> Speuler, maybe... I certainly don't.
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11:27:32 <gilbertbsd> but you can travel no?
11:27:35 <gilbertbsd> Hi i440
11:27:44 <I440r> hi ppl
11:27:46 <I440r> :)
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11:32:05 * gilbertbsd wants an interactive assembler.
11:34:11 <I440r> me 2
11:34:29 <gilbertbsd> really? 
11:34:36 <gilbertbsd> I thought you already had one somewhere.
11:36:07 <XeF4> debug,borland debugger,bigforth+asm486
11:36:47 <I440r> i dont like bigforth's assembler
11:39:32 <XeF4> I don't either but it does work and it does generate correct code, which is more than can be said for some other open source assemblers
11:40:10 <gilbertbsd> reallly? like which open source assemblers?
11:42:16 <XeF4> like nasm
11:42:29 <gilbertbsd> alternatives to nasm?
11:42:50 <XeF4> maye fasm, havn't used it enough to recommend it though
11:42:59 <XeF4> haven't, even
11:43:51 <gilbertbsd> fasM? bigforth is LOOKING GOOD with this minos stuff.
11:44:31 <gilbertbsd> its about time someone did something fancy in forth :D yay.
11:44:32 <XeF4> last I tried minos, it seldom lasted >15min between crashes
11:44:35 <I440r> bigforths assembler IS good. i just dont like refering to all registers by their 16 bit names
11:44:53 <I440r> i also do NOT like the backwards (forth) model
11:45:29 <gilbertbsd> you can write a proper asm model in forth according to brad rodriguez no?
11:46:04 <XeF4> I find it easier to write macros for the "backwards" model
11:46:07 <gilbertbsd> I think minos is a good step but given what rebol can do in gui, this stuff is convoluted.
11:46:31 <gilbertbsd> and forth (among others) inspired rebol.
11:46:34 <XeF4> s/easier/more natural/
11:48:29 <gilbertbsd> i440 how is freebsd thus far?
11:50:10 <I440r> i got pissed off with it last nite and booted to the windows 98 :P
11:50:17 <gilbertbsd> noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
11:50:34 <I440r> ive not booted back to it yet, its pissing me off that "bpk_add some-package" takes 2.5 hours to install anything
11:50:48 <gilbertbsd> pkg_add ...
11:50:55 <gilbertbsd> you still haven't checked out the CD have you?
11:50:55 <XeF4> I440r: shall I call an ambulance?
11:51:05 <XeF4> for an, even
11:51:42 <I440r> i was "installing" midnight commander for about an hour yesterday when my connection crapped out. and the stupid install metod doesnt know how to do "resumes"
11:51:44 <I440r> fucking MORONIC
11:52:00 <I440r> i started over and after 2 hours of still not complete i said fuck it and rebooted
11:52:39 <gilbertbsd> noooo. you _have_ to check out the cd. You *have* to check out the cd
11:52:51 <I440r> plus the fuckwads in #freebsd were giving me a crock of shit which i seem to recall numerous fbsd related channels are apt to do
11:53:00 <I440r> even more than linux based channels
11:53:01 <gilbertbsd> hahaha
11:53:16 <I440r> i was tempted to erase teh fbsd cd's and delete the partition
11:53:33 <I440r> ill probably boot back to fbsd in a month or 2.... maybe
11:53:46 <gilbertbsd> awwww
11:58:15 <gilbertbsd> so are you in windows at the moment?
11:58:28 <I440r> yup
11:59:11 <gilbertbsd> I am currently playing with ketman... it is a newbie tool with an 'interactive' assembler.
11:59:21 <gilbertbsd> you might like it if you haven't seen it.
12:02:53 <I440r> sources available ?
12:03:20 <gilbertbsd> not sure.
12:03:24 <gilbertbsd> it is shareware.
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12:52:54 <Herkamire> why would you need an interactive assembler??
12:53:16 <Herkamire> you can step through your compiled asm code with a good debugger
12:54:17 <Robert> Yes, that's what I mean...
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13:59:15 <gilbertbsd> hello
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