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08:16:15 <ianni> anyone here do forth for work?
08:16:50 <Chef_> Yup
08:17:04 <ianni> what kind of stuff do you do?
08:17:12 <ianni> firmware or something?
08:17:19 <Chef_> Embedded systems (public research)
08:17:23 <ianni> wow
08:17:28 <ianni> that sounds fun
08:17:35 <Chef_> It is :)
08:17:55 <ianni> im very happy just to be coding C and getting paid
08:18:07 <ianni> i started java when I joined this company
08:18:14 <Chef_> I'm happy to be coding in whatever I want (including Forth) and getting paid too
08:18:17 <ianni> and learned programming kinda as i went :)
08:18:22 <ianni> hel lyeah
08:18:25 <ianni> you work for a uni ?
08:18:43 <ianni> or i guess it would be the gov't
08:18:47 <ianni> in france, no ?
08:18:50 <Chef_> Engineering school in France
08:19:00 <Chef_> All the details on http://www.rfc1149.net/job
08:19:01 <ianni>  cool
08:20:04 <Chef_> How is Chimera working? Great?
08:20:15 <ianni> yeah.
08:20:25 <ianni> it's really pretty nice
08:20:39 <Chef_> I haven't had a chance to test it yet, I'll do it tonight, visiting a (computer illiterate) friend with a Mac
08:20:47 <ianni> ha ha
08:20:57 <ianni> it's very nice-  I think it looks lots better than mozilla
08:21:01 <ianni> Cocoa is pretty
08:21:05 <ianni> Ambience aims at building an omnipresent ambient computer network
08:21:09 <ianni> that sounds very intersting to me
08:21:15 <Chef_> That's where I use Forth :)
08:21:18 <ianni> ooooooo
08:21:27 <ianni> is it audio ?
08:21:35 <ianni> what kind of "ambience"
08:21:37 <ianni> is it?
08:21:46 <Chef_> 802.11 + BlueTooth + IrDA
08:22:08 <ianni> I see...
08:22:20 <ianni> sounds way past my skills
08:22:54 <ianni> forth-only computers then ?
08:23:09 <ianni> or meant to work with other OSs?
08:23:10 <Chef_> No, computers with Forth microcontrollers on them
08:23:28 <Chef_> Using PicForth, http://www.rfc1149.net/devel/picforth
08:23:31 <ianni> oooh
08:23:32 <ianni> wow
08:23:39 <ianni> I've done small amount of reading on PICs
08:23:47 <ianni> awesome!
08:24:02 <ianni> and how do the computers communicate with the pic?
08:24:09 <ianni> serial port & a driver?
08:24:14 <Chef_> i2c
08:24:33 <ianni> oh wow.
08:24:38 <ianni> picforth looks too cool.
08:24:43 <ianni> !
08:25:01 <ianni> i've got to try this :)
08:25:41 <Chef_> It is cool
08:25:49 <Chef_> At least I have a lot of fun with it :)))
08:26:13 <ianni> I've never done anything with hardware
08:26:17 <ianni> beyond assembling pc's
08:26:27 <ianni> ive only recently learned anything as low level as C or forth
08:26:41 <ianni> but this looks too cool :D
08:26:48 <ianni> 4the forth looks so easy
08:27:16 <Chef_> bbl
08:27:30 <ianni> a+
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08:44:46 <Robert> Hey :)
08:44:56 <I440r> :)
08:45:04 <I440r> been working on that dns query code
08:45:34 <Robert> Oh, cool.
08:45:36 <Robert> Is it working?
08:46:18 <I440r> not yet
08:46:30 <I440r> but i can extract the server ip's from /etc/resolv.conf heh
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10:03:30 <proteusirc> test
10:03:55 <Robert> Ping.
10:04:02 <Robert> Pong, that is.
10:06:37 <proteusirc> thanx - trying out new client.
10:12:33 <I440r_> which client ??
10:19:08 <proteusirc> gaim
10:19:23 <proteusirc> has an irc plugin I'm trying.
10:21:49 <I440r_> aha. i dont much like gaim, its a bit unstable and takes like 3 minutes to connect to aim
10:22:07 <proteusirc> What do you use under linux?
10:22:29 <proteusirc> FWIW - It seems to have pretty good yahoo support which is what I use. Don't have aim account.
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10:27:19 <I440r_> i use centericq
10:27:27 <I440r_> it does icq, yahoo, msn, aim and he is working on irc
10:27:31 <I440r_> its console only
10:27:37 <Herkamire> gaim works fine for me on aim
10:42:28 <ianni> I used naim it sucks
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12:53:59 <XeF4> I440r: manual? *nudge*
12:54:49 <I440r> yea ?
12:54:55 <I440r> sorry was mowing again
12:56:23 <XeF4> I440r: I was just curious about the documentation status of isforth
12:56:56 * Herkamire goes off to write documentation for fpos
12:57:13 <I440r> me and futhin are working on it, but i have to send futhin what i got hre and ive not been here since early this week so ive not seen him
13:12:47 <Herkamire> hmmm... well fpos has nice docs for most of the high level words. it doesn't have anyting explaining the big picture, where to start, or how colorforth works (including the a register probably)
13:12:58 <XeF4> ?? fpos
13:15:44 <XeF4> if it's another colorforth, is it available to the unwashed masses from somewhere?
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13:26:36 --- topic: 'All programmers are optimists | x86 Linux Forth coded in asm - http://isforth.clss.net | home of forth - http://www.ultratechnology.com/forth.htm'
13:26:36 --- topic: set by thin on [Sun Sep 15 08:00:43 2002]
13:26:36 --- names: list (clog I440r Herkamire skylan OrngeTide XeF4 TreyB Chef_ jacereda onetom_ Robert jammi_ air @ChanServ ianni Fractal)
14:20:01 <Fractal> Frugal's docs are OK. I'd appreciate it if you took a look and tell me what I should improve on.
14:22:37 <Herkamire> XeF4: fpos is a native colorforth for PPC. It's not ready, but it is avaiable: http://qualdan.homeip.net:5000/svn/fpos/trunnk/
14:23:00 <Fractal> trunk with 1 n, of course?
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14:29:46 <XeF4> ack, I'm ppcless
14:55:55 <Herkamire> mmmm, yes one n
15:08:06 <XeF4> and I'm torn over whether to focus on getting the 8086 or i586 colorforth to release quality first
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15:11:26 <Herkamire> Fractal: can I try your fgcc?
15:36:37 <Fractal> Er. It's on my laptop right now.
15:36:40 <Fractal> Tomorrow?
15:39:11 <Herkamire> ok
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16:39:41 <I440r> hi tcn
16:39:49 <tcn> hey
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16:40:09 <I440r> howzit goin ?
16:40:36 <tcn> pretty good
16:41:35 <I440r> hi phil
16:41:41 <LuckyPhil> Hi there
16:44:41 <I440r> tcn u still doing that c compiler ?? :)
16:45:51 <tcn> yeah
16:46:03 <I440r> trator :P
16:46:09 <tcn> not for a few weeks though
16:46:27 <I440r> im getting dns queries to work in isforth sockets code. will release 1.10b when its working :)
16:47:06 <tcn> coo.
16:47:07 <tcn> ;
16:47:18 <tcn> dammit, u know what I mean :)
16:47:30 <I440r> heh
16:47:30 <jamc> you wrote your own resolver?
16:47:39 <I440r> you type worser than what i do :)
16:48:07 <I440r> well im just using the name servers
16:48:52 <I440r> im not recursivly looking up the addresses, but i might do that later
16:49:03 <I440r> i just tell the name server to do the recursive lookup and pass me the result heh
16:49:15 <jamc> well that's how it's supposed to work
16:49:48 <I440r> nslookup and host both do the recusive search themselves
16:50:10 <tcn> so it's libc that does all the work?
16:50:17 <I440r> no
16:50:26 <tcn> i mean normally, not in isforth
16:50:34 <jamc> nslookup/host are debugging tools... not resolver client libraries
16:50:41 <I440r> yea i know. libc doesnt do the recursive lookups 
16:50:57 <I440r> host says "give me the IP for this address or give me a list of server ip's that might"
16:51:12 <I440r> it then asks the same question of each of the servers its told about until it gets the result
16:52:16 <tcn> oh, so you could force the recursive search to get an IP that hasn't propogated through the dns network yet?
16:52:36 <I440r> not sure. im no dns expert :)
16:54:04 <tcn> heh
17:12:25 <tcn> well, that sniper's on vacation isn't he?
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17:28:34 <I440r> maybe
17:34:47 <onetom_> hi
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17:35:17 <onetom> does anybody live in/near amsterdam?
17:35:40 <onetom> or in neatherlands @ all?
17:36:07 <onetom> herk, tathi, speuler?
17:37:29 <tcn> oh yeah, i do :)
17:38:24 <onetom> oops, i forgot :)
17:38:49 <onetom> i remembered u live in the usa somewhere
17:39:30 <tcn> only 2 hours from amsterdam, ny
17:39:45 <onetom> ny?
17:39:51 <tcn> and New Amsterdam
17:40:07 <onetom> i have a friend living there for some month
17:40:23 <onetom> and his girlfriend works there for some yrs
17:40:56 <onetom> the friend is a programmer
17:41:14 <onetom> he's looking for a job
17:41:37 <tcn> tough to find
17:41:56 <onetom> why is it so difficult?
17:42:19 <onetom> dont u have any tips/tricks?
17:42:45 <tcn> in holland? i wouldn't know. i know it's even more expensive to live there than here
17:43:30 <onetom> ?
17:43:40 <onetom> there = ? ,   here = ?
17:44:17 <tcn> there=holland, here=us
17:44:43 <XeF4> tcn: somehow I doubt that (re: expensive)
17:45:02 <XeF4> onetom: if he lives near Breda, I guess he could get a coding+sysadmin helljob from Concepts.nl
17:45:22 <onetom> tcn: eeeh, u r joking! just noticed :p
17:45:40 <XeF4> onetom: I got a job there once
17:46:03 <onetom> XeF4: Breda? is it a city?
17:46:12 <XeF4> in the south of NL yes
17:46:13 <tcn> helljob = job from hell?
17:46:17 <onetom> XeF4: he lives in amsterdam, iguess
17:46:20 <XeF4> oh
17:46:42 <onetom> & where r U from?
17:46:47 <XeF4> tcn: helljob = job in hot serverroom tormented by daemons
17:47:16 <XeF4> one: originally from Alaska, in Finland now
17:47:40 <onetom> heh, thx anyway
17:48:11 <tcn> whoa, what brought you to finland?
17:48:34 <onetom> tcn: probably a raindeer ;)
17:48:43 <tcn> hahah
17:49:26 <XeF4> yes, feed a raindeer some boiled cabbage and point him towards the pole, much cheaper than a plane ticket
17:49:30 <XeF4> s/rain/rein/
17:50:14 <onetom> ah, rein, yes
17:50:27 <XeF4> tcn: good question, I really don't know. just got the idea after watching some demos and now here I am (or so)
17:56:24 <tcn> how's life over there?
17:59:17 <XeF4> OK, I suppose.. no work for awhile. otherwise good
17:59:27 <XeF4> and no girlfriend
18:01:19 <tcn> but you manage to make a living ok?
18:03:52 <XeF4> hmm. no
18:04:08 <XeF4> living on savings and fretting a bit
18:04:14 <onetom> sounds promising :)
18:06:52 <tcn> heh, sounds like me
18:06:55 <tcn> brb
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19:17:35 <tcn> oh, nothing's happened :)
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19:19:24 <TheBlueWizard> hiya all
20:23:02 <TheBlueWizard> bye all
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20:33:34 <Herkamire> I440r: I just started writing DNS lookup stuff for fpos, and I'm just counting on dnscache being installed :)
20:33:44 <Herkamire> dnscache will do recursive lookups for you :)
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20:35:11 <Herkamire> humph
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