00:00:00 --- log: started forth/02.10.17 02:02:18 --- join: ribbon (~squirrel@modem-1573.orangutan.dialup.pol.co.uk) joined #forth 02:12:40 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 02:33:58 --- part: ribbon left #forth 02:37:40 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 03:29:49 --- join: jacereda (~jacereda@VA1-1G-u-0007.mc.onolab.com) joined #forth 03:52:37 --- part: jacereda left #forth 03:59:28 --- quit: Robert (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 03:59:28 --- quit: air (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 03:59:28 --- join: jacereda (~jacereda@VA1-1G-u-0007.mc.onolab.com) joined #forth 03:59:28 --- join: Robert (~Robert@robost86.tsps1.freenet6.net) joined #forth 03:59:28 --- join: air (~brand@12-254-199-50.client.attbi.com) joined #forth 04:01:17 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 04:01:25 re 04:21:14 --- part: jacereda left #forth 04:21:20 --- join: jacereda (~jacereda@VA1-1G-u-0007.mc.onolab.com) joined #forth 04:39:55 --- quit: Serg_Penguin (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:43:13 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 04:46:42 --- quit: Serg_Penguin (Client Quit) 05:19:52 --- part: jacereda left #forth 05:40:06 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 05:40:22 --- join: jacereda (~jacereda@VA1-1G-u-0007.mc.onolab.com) joined #forth 05:43:27 --- quit: Serg_Penguin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:44:04 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 05:50:16 hey, can one tell me: 05:50:35 is it possible to buy hobby computer w/ forth cpu ? 05:51:02 or even raw CPU to construct computer, w/ some diagrams and tips 05:54:31 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 06:12:49 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 06:13:16 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@wsip68-15-54-54.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 06:13:22 --- join: tathi (~josh@wsip68-15-54-54.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 06:13:31 hi 06:13:48 hey serg 06:13:58 you figure out the A register? 06:14:49 ??? 06:14:56 err, !!!! 06:15:17 morning :) 06:15:40 the A register is your friend 06:15:53 I was looking at the logs the other day, weren't you the one that was asking about the a! word in the cf IDE source? 06:15:55 i groked what a! is 'store to adress reg', but how other words do use it ? 06:16:11 in colorforth, @ and ! use the address in the a register 06:16:15 not from the top of the stack 06:17:16 word 'a' gets the value from the a regisister, 'a!' sets the a register 06:18:21 tathi: : ! a! ; mov [EDX*4], EAX; drop ; 06:18:42 coocoo 06:18:49 oh 06:19:08 : ! a! ! ; 06:19:36 cul8r, damn cdrw-s.... 06:19:49 my line above would get you a conventional store 06:19:58 ok 06:20:00 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 06:20:19 onetom: err, that doesn't make sense to me... 06:21:21 is there supposed to be a semicolon after a! ? 06:21:59 I haven't really looked at the colorforth sources, I was just going off the list of primitives for the c18 that Chuck had on his site for a while... 06:22:01 http://colorforth.com/forth.html 06:23:36 ah, he has : a!; move [EDX*4], EAX; drop ; 06:23:48 the semicolon is just a separator. gotcha 06:24:20 s/:/: !/ 06:24:41 but i dont really understand the diff between the A & the R "regs" 06:24:52 tathi: it is :) 06:24:53 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 06:25:01 re 06:27:02 onetom: don't think R is a register...those are ! & @ from the top of the return stack, aren't they? 06:27:28 ahaaa :) 06:27:38 probably u r right 06:27:52 in my code, anyway, I defined : ! >r !r ; 06:28:09 that way the A reg stays intact, and I can use it to loop through memory 06:29:35 sector 1f3 a! swap p!+ /8 p!+ /8 p!+ /8 e0 or p!+ drop p!+ drop 4 * ; 06:29:57 Serg_Penguin: anyway, I was wrong, chuck has ! storing from top of stack as normal 06:30:12 why sending 1f3 to A, if 1f? are i/o ports ?????? 06:30:12 but I'm assuming in that IDE cde that p!+ and p@ use the address register... 06:30:29 how 'a!' is related to i/o ports ??? 06:31:16 he says "p!+ write 8 bit port, increment port" 06:31:35 so probably p!+ and p@ get the port # from a 06:31:44 --- part: jacereda left #forth 06:31:45 --- join: jacereda (~jacereda@VA1-1G-u-0007.mc.onolab.com) joined #forth 06:32:04 exactly 06:32:14 but, now, i gotta go 06:35:25 also this piece of code lacks stack comments 06:35:40 what does 'sector' expect and return ? 06:38:16 looks like it takes 8 cells off of the stack 06:38:39 I don't know the ports etc. for IDE on x86 platforms well enough to know what they are... 06:39:38 name suggests it should get logical sector, convert it to CHS and put in HDD regs - 'task file' 06:39:50 no, I take that back. p!+ probably doesn't drop the thing off the stack 06:40:30 too much guessing, too little docs.... 06:41:32 --- quit: Serg_Penguin ("one more damn cd-rw to test...") 06:44:09 --- join: cleverdra (julianf@sdn-ap-010scfairP0008.dialsprint.net) joined #forth 06:45:17 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 06:45:19 Serg_Penguin: p!+ ( n -- n ) \ outputs low 8 bits of n to port whose # is in the address register 06:45:33 only reasonable definition 06:47:13 hi cleverdra 06:47:16 re 06:48:44 tathi: doesn't the "+" in the name mean "and increment"? 06:48:52 hello Serg 06:49:05 jacereda: oh yeah, and increment address register 06:49:34 does a! drop value or not ? 06:49:46 ( n -- n ) or ( n-- ) ? 06:50:02 ( n -- ) 06:50:07 in machine forth it was ( n -- ) 06:50:24 -> cleverdra as u can see, heavily trying to understand Chuck's IDE code.... 06:52:27 10 min's to going home.... 06:53:35 now downloaded 'thinkful programming', low fat compting etc and try to read..... 06:55:32 bye all .... 06:55:36 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 07:52:02 m 07:52:03 --- quit: jacereda (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08:12:25 --- join: jacereda (~jacereda@VA1-1G-u-0007.mc.onolab.com) joined #forth 09:07:35 --- join: ayrnieu (julianf@sdn-ap-028scfairP0121.dialsprint.net) joined #forth 09:22:14 --- join: ribbon (~squirrel@modem-462.monkey.dialup.pol.co.uk) joined #forth 09:24:35 --- quit: cleverdra (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:27:05 --- quit: jacereda (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09:27:05 --- quit: onetom (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09:27:05 --- quit: Soap` (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09:27:05 --- quit: jammi_ (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09:27:05 --- quit: TreyB (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09:27:09 --- join: onetom (~tom@novtan.bio.u-szeged.hu) joined #forth 09:32:35 --- join: jammi_ (~otus@nzym.fi) joined #forth 09:44:07 --- quit: Robert ("brb") 09:44:58 --- join: Robert (~Robert@robost86.tsps1.freenet6.net) joined #forth 09:48:24 --- quit: Robert (Client Quit) 09:49:36 --- join: Robert (~Robert@robost86.tsps1.freenet6.net) joined #forth 09:57:55 --- part: ribbon left #forth 10:07:01 --- quit: Robert ("Bleh..") 10:07:38 --- join: Robert (~Robert@robost86.tsps1.freenet6.net) joined #forth 11:17:24 --- join: jacereda (~jacereda@VA1-1G-u-0007.mc.onolab.com) joined #forth 11:22:21 --- join: Soap` (~flop@202-0-42-22.cable.paradise.net.nz) joined #forth 11:25:42 --- join: TreyB (~trey@cpe-66-87-192-27.tx.sprintbbd.net) joined #forth 11:37:54 --- part: jacereda left #forth 13:21:13 --- join: gilbertbsd (~gilbertbs@67.97.122.14) joined #forth 13:21:34 hullo 13:22:32 --- part: gilbertbsd left #forth 13:43:23 --- join: Kitanin (~clark@scf61185.ab.hsia.telus.net) joined #forth 13:50:20 --- quit: ayrnieu (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:52:41 --- quit: Soap` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:58:05 what would be a cheap,simple fpga+programmer combination? 13:58:41 No idea :-) 13:58:45 Are you into electronics? 13:58:53 for learning programmable logic, not producing any specific project 13:59:03 * Robert has a little newbie question. 13:59:04 Well, I can be had for $40,000... 13:59:16 Rob: a bit 13:59:35 Hrm. I'm collecting information to build a radio transmitter and/or receivers, but I only find circuits for the normal FM and AM band (which I'm not going to get popular if I use), could I just use another coil/capacitor connected in parallel to it to lower the frequency to e.g. about 27MHz? And, are those walkie-talkies for kids frequence or amplitude modulated? 13:59:37 Kit: s/programmer/programming hardware/ 14:00:25 XeF4: Okay. :-) 14:01:04 Kitanin: but if you were serious, you surely know of some good,cheap fpga "starter kit" 14:02:17 --- nick: ianni -> comps_suck 14:03:13 XeF4: I'm afraid all my stuff is salvaged from better-funded efforts right now. :-) 14:03:27 Robert: kids walkie-talkies are almost always amplitude modulated. 14:03:35 --- nick: comps_suck -> ianni 14:03:52 Robert: I don't see how one would frequency-divide a modulated signal into anything still intelligible 14:04:08 Robert: there _are_ 27MHz kits widely available though 14:04:40 Robert: and schematics for 10&11M and and and 14:05:18 Heh. 14:05:51 < Jan__> Most all comms these days, even really cheap stuff, is FM. 14:06:54 Well, but should it just be a matter of changing the frequency by modifying the coil and/or capacitor? 14:07:14 Hmm... 14:07:29 I examined these old walke-talkies, I think they're FM. 14:08:17 Robert: out of my arena, I'm afraid. 14:08:33 Oh :-/ 14:08:36 Well, thanks anyway. 14:15:42 --- quit: Kitanin (": war postpone peace ; immediate : freedom postpone slavery ; immediate : ignorance postpone strength ; immediate") 14:17:59 --- join: tcn (tcn@tc4-login36.megatrondata.com) joined #forth 14:27:44 --- join: Kitanin (~Kitanin@scf61185.ab.hsia.telus.net) joined #forth 14:27:55 Yay! Kiwi works! 14:32:09 Kiwi? 14:32:38 IRC client for emacs. Woohoo! 14:32:47 ah. cool 14:36:45 Indeed. No mIRC for me, _I'm_ a fanatic! 14:36:56 hehe 14:37:16 well, I'm outta here...have fun! 14:37:20 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 14:37:46 emacs? 14:37:49 --- join: wossname (wossname@HSE-QuebecCity-ppp80354.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 14:37:52 Kitanin: any clue what a Xilinx Sparten development board+programming hardware would cost? 14:38:21 hmm.. I looked at fpga's a few years ago 14:38:44 s/Sparten/Spartan/ 14:39:00 --- quit: Herkamire ("I'm special") 14:39:04 no idea what they cost now. 14:39:40 I think you just program them thru a JEDEC connector which is just a simple 4-wire serial 14:41:21 Hi wossname, tcn. 14:41:41 Good question. As I said, I've never actually _paid_ for any of my equipment, so I'm not sure. :-) 14:41:59 ty ;p 14:43:03 hi robert 14:43:56 tcn: nice.. somehow I imagined there would be more pins/insane programming clockrate, etc 14:57:14 Kitanin: just curious, what PLDs do you use? 15:17:23 Sorry, work called... I've got about a half-dozen old (> 5 years) cores that I fiddle with from time to time. 15:23:48 Kitanin: cores being the logic itself, yes? 15:25:04 Yes. Sadly, I don't have the resources to pursue FPGAs as a hobby yet. :-( 15:25:25 heh.. for a second I thought you said you played fiddle :) 15:25:40 "You too?" :) 15:27:15 Kitan: disregarding cores, is the hardware aborhhently expensive, too? 15:28:08 According to the people I know who do the FPGA thing for a living, it's pretty expensive, yeah. 15:29:23 so it seemed, I've seen some "FPGA starter kits" with Atmel 40ks for $159, but hm.. 15:32:03 if you just got the chips you'd have to solder them.. surface mount.. 15:33:12 tcn: that's why I don't just buy the chips, a double-sided board+etch resist pen 15:34:12 i guess i've got better things to do than use fpga's.. just use cpu's 15:34:13 * Kitanin thinks it's time he started actually seriously playing with FPGAs... 15:35:11 later y'all 15:35:16 late 15:35:18 --- quit: tcn ("dinner") 15:51:33 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 15:55:19 --- quit: proteusguy (Client Quit) 15:57:04 whoahahha http://www.trenz-electronic.de/prod/proden7.htm 15:57:09 Hmm.. 15:57:21 A question just to show how childish I am, anyone tried to blow up an electrolytic capacitor? :) 15:57:38 allegedly cheap Spartan-II evaluation kit 15:57:48 Robert: no, but I've done it accidentally a few times 15:57:52 Hehe. 15:58:09 What kind of capacitors? 15:58:27 ~10µF? 15:58:53 Robert 10uF and some larger ones in a PC power supply 15:59:22 (it is very important that the 115/230v switch be in the correct position) 15:59:55 Hehe. 16:00:06 Hmm.. how much voltage/current would be needed? 16:03:01 dunno, enough to boil the electrolyte I suppose 16:03:14 Heh. 16:28:52 --- quit: wossname ("Hi, I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over IRC.") 16:43:45 --- quit: onetom (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:45:26 --- join: onetom (~tom@novtan.bio.u-szeged.hu) joined #forth 16:46:37 --- join: onetom_ (~tom@novtan.bio.u-szeged.hu) joined #forth 16:46:37 --- quit: onetom (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:07:23 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@ip-216-25-202-96.vienna.va.fcc.net) joined #forth 17:07:36 hiya all 17:10:45 Hi :) 17:10:56 hiya Robert...what's up? 17:13:43 nothing much going on here....ok I will wander....bye all! 17:13:49 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 18:00:30 --- quit: Kitanin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:54:04 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 19:55:30 --- quit: proteusguy (Remote closed the connection) 19:58:28 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 20:14:20 --- join: I440r (~mark4@1cust15.tnt2.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #forth 20:41:08 re. 20:51:14 hi 20:51:31 im on my way to bed now, i gotta be up early, was just checkin email :) 20:54:01 --- quit: I440r ("Reality Strikes Again!") 21:02:21 --- join: proteus (~proteusgu@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 21:03:11 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21:14:04 --- join: skylan_ (sjh@Riverview97.tbaytel.net) joined #forth 21:15:08 --- quit: skylan (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: skylan_!sjh@Riverview97.tbaytel.net))) 21:15:34 --- nick: skylan_ -> skylan 21:33:31 --- quit: TreyB (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21:34:14 --- join: TreyB (~trey@cpe-66-87-192-27.tx.sprintbbd.net) joined #forth 22:02:09 --- quit: proteus (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:02:38 --- join: proteus (~proteusgu@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 23:02:16 --- quit: proteus (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:02:16 --- join: proteus (~proteusgu@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/02.10.17