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04:16:20 <Serg_Penguin> hi
04:28:24 <onetom> hi
04:28:44 <onetom> nah, do u already know what is that a! ?
04:34:01 <Serg_Penguin> no, damn !!!! dig web....
04:35:04 <onetom> oh, no need to
04:35:09 <onetom> its simple
04:35:54 <onetom> in colorforth (& in machine forth 4 the 1st time, ithink) there is a global variable
04:36:13 <onetom> a so called register, named A, the Address reg
04:38:59 <Serg_Penguin> and what it is ?
04:39:22 <Serg_Penguin> i ran across it trying to port ColorForth IDE code
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04:42:02 <Serg_Penguin> hi LuckyPhil
04:42:50 <Serg_Penguin> i started writing IDE drvr 4 Enth and flooded all around w/ lame questions, coz i could only read state/ say rezet
04:43:25 <LuckyPhil> didn't have much luck huh?
04:44:02 <Serg_Penguin> i bump my head at porting IDE code from colorforth
04:44:33 <Serg_Penguin> dunno what damn thing 'a!' is, grepped src (color.asm) - fail
04:45:27 <LuckyPhil> not sure either.. I thought it might be the address pointer. but I'm not sure
04:46:20 <Serg_Penguin> adress of what ?
04:47:20 <LuckyPhil> of the A register.. not sure.. bit confusing I know
04:47:54 <Serg_Penguin> can i find Chuck's docs for his forth ?
04:48:42 <LuckyPhil> should be on chucks page
04:49:41 <Serg_Penguin> colorforth.com ? damn minimal, no trace of doc
04:50:48 <LuckyPhil> i don't think there is much doc at all.. except the asm source itself. chuck says that there isn't any doc yet
04:52:44 <Serg_Penguin> i grepped src for a! but failed
04:54:35 <LuckyPhil> hmm...
04:54:43 <LuckyPhil> perhaps its a macro
04:55:18 * Serg_Penguin can't run ColorForth, monitor doesnt hold 1024x7?? mode
04:56:02 <Serg_Penguin> damn, Chuck encrypted every damn thing w/ huffman, so no seaches...
04:56:25 <LuckyPhil> a! is not in the enth color source
04:56:43 <Serg_Penguin> he knocked out 4too much 1 comlexity
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08:47:41 <boltion_> hi?
08:58:06 <tathi> hello
08:58:28 <tathi> you new to forth?
09:01:50 <boltion_> i know no forth
09:02:05 <boltion_> is forth used in bios?
09:02:10 <boltion_> in linuxbios/openbios?
09:02:14 <tathi> OpenFirmware
09:02:43 <tathi> openbios is the open-source OpenFirmware project?
09:03:37 <XeF4> isn't openbios open-source pc BIOS effort totally unrelated to openfirmware?
09:04:51 <tathi> "OpenBIOS will be a free portable firmware implementation. The goal is to implement a 100% IEEE 1275-1994 compliant firmware."
09:05:13 <boltion_> i know no forth
09:05:21 <tathi> OpenFirmware is the IEEE 1275 standards document
09:05:31 <tathi> boltion_: what OS are you currently using?
09:05:33 <XeF4> whee, then I'm mistaken
09:06:28 <boltion_> linux
09:07:01 <tathi> you could try installing gforth to play around with...
09:07:15 <XeF4> gforth is bletcherent
09:07:22 <boltion_> forth homepage?
09:07:37 <XeF4> enormous, primitives not in forth, spaghetti forth sources
09:08:21 <tathi> XeF4: I know -- I don't have it installed on any of my machines
09:08:45 <XeF4> then why do you recommend it? ;-)
09:09:06 <boltion_> forth homepage?
09:09:12 <tathi> a bunch of people here use it, at least enough to be able to help if anyone has problems...
09:09:50 <XeF4> bolt: there isn't an official one, http://www.colorforth.com/ (Moore's site) http://www.ultratechnology.com/ http://www.forth.org/ http://www.fig-uk.org/
09:09:53 <tathi> http://www.forth.org/compilers.html
09:09:55 <XeF4> all have useul info
09:13:58 <tathi> gforth is a GNU program, so I'd assume it compiles without problems on a wide range of systems
09:14:11 <boltion_> what is forth used in most?
09:14:15 <tathi> and it's certainly fine to play around with
09:14:41 <tathi> it's just when you start getting into serious forth stuff and want to do stuff that you need to know how the internals work that it's really horrible
09:15:31 <boltion_> but its open
09:15:38 <boltion_> it shoudl be most accesible
09:15:51 <tathi> boltion_: yeah, but it's huge and hard to read
09:16:11 <XeF4> bolt: many forths are "open", actually
09:16:18 <boltion_> what is forth used in most?
09:16:50 <XeF4> embedded systems, bootloading I suppose 
09:18:30 <tathi> one of the shipping companies' (UPS, I think) computers that the guys on the trucks have were written in forth
09:18:35 <tathi> don't know if they still are...
09:21:14 <tathi> ok, FedEx, not UPS. http://www.forth.com/Content/Stories/FedEx.htm
09:21:29 <XeF4> oh, and telescope controllers =)
09:22:59 <tathi> well, of course :)
10:15:11 <onetom> & house automation ;)
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13:12:10 <jacereda> hi
13:16:07 <Herkamire> hi :)
13:16:24 <Robert> Hi there.
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14:50:52 <Fractal> w00000000000
15:03:37 <tathi> hey Fractal :)
15:03:50 <Fractal> I can't get no satisfaction!
15:03:53 <Fractal> Hey man. What's up?
15:04:11 <tathi> not much. you?
15:04:18 <Fractal> Not much.
15:04:29 <Herkamire> wooooooo!
15:04:36 <Fractal> w00000000000000000000000000000000000!
15:04:39 <Fractal> Herk! Sup?
15:04:51 <Herkamire> oh, not much.
15:04:55 <Herkamire> ;)
15:04:55 <Fractal> Sounds fun.,
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15:06:36 <Fractal> So, I made a wrapper "fgcc" for frugal, so you can compile to portable C code.
15:06:54 <Fractal> Should be useful for distributing forth programs to wider audiences.
15:07:43 <Herkamire> interesting
15:08:10 <Fractal> Ya, it's okay. Apparently it's endian neutral now too, thanks to your patch.
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15:08:59 <Herkamire> cool. I'll give it a try when I get home. (I'm leaving for there shortly)
15:09:32 <Fractal> Heh. Cool. Actually, fgcc hasn't been released yet.
15:09:41 <Fractal> Maybe... couple more days.
15:09:51 <Herkamire> fooooooey
15:10:02 <Fractal> Well, if you like, I could release it now.
15:10:02 <Herkamire> what's all this crap about releases ;)
15:10:27 <Herkamire> do you use version control?
15:10:39 <Fractal> I dunno. I like to test a lot.
15:10:44 <Fractal> No, not yet.
15:10:54 <Fractal> Right now, it's only me working on it.
15:11:00 <Fractal> So no real need to.
15:11:17 <Fractal> I plan on bumping up to 1.0.0 soon, when I'll start it as a real project.
15:11:26 <Fractal> Which is what I do for most of my projects.
15:11:37 <Herkamire> I use svn for all my programming projects. most of which are just me.
15:12:23 <Fractal> Cool.
15:12:27 <XeF4> svn?
15:12:41 <Fractal> Apparently it's better than CVS. I dunno.
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15:14:08 <Herkamire> http://subversion.tigris.org/
15:14:40 <Fractal> Normally, I just have a file named "CHANGES", and backup often. :)
15:14:44 <Fractal> Works for me.
15:14:52 <Herkamire> "The goal of the Subversion project is to build a version control system that is a compelling replacement for CVS in the open source community.
15:16:22 <Herkamire> oops, I forgot. I'm not going right home. I'll won't be there for 4 hours.
15:16:28 <XeF4> my "version control" under *nix is usually just a 'backup' make target that makes a copy of the source tree in bak/<timestamp>
15:16:57 <XeF4> if I were less lazy, I would diff against the previous backup orso
15:17:46 <Herkamire> well, I'm off to my juggling club. later
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15:17:50 <Fractal> It's very rare for me to do something to the code that I can't easily undo.
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