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06:09:18 hi 06:17:07 i'll try to add IDE/FAT drv to isforth 06:17:20 da-a-mn, terr, to Enth 06:19:01 --- join: tathi (~josh@68.15.54.54) joined #forth 06:34:25 --- join: Serg_p (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 06:34:26 --- quit: Serg_Penguin (Killed (NickServ (Nickname Enforcement))) 06:36:53 --- nick: Serg_p -> Serg_penguin 07:04:23 --- quit: Serg_penguin () 07:30:57 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 07:31:42 --- quit: Serg_Penguin (Client Quit) 09:01:56 --- join: I440r (~mark4@1Cust244.tnt2.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #forth 10:19:42 --- join: Speuler (~l@mnch-d9ba493f.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #forth 10:20:59 'morning 10:21:12 hi 10:21:38 ah the_mark 10:21:45 :) 10:22:08 there's no mark in germany anymore btw 10:22:22 ? 10:22:24 oh 10:22:27 u mean the currency 10:22:30 it's euro now :) 10:22:40 its the devil at work 10:23:08 no, it wasn't bush's doing 10:24:13 hah 10:24:15 --- quit: onetom (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:24:20 bush isnt the devil. he is fighting him 10:25:20 you sure/ 10:25:22 ? 10:25:24 --- join: onetom (~tom@novtan.bio.u-szeged.hu) joined #forth 10:26:37 morning 1tom 10:27:45 from the home district of szegedin goulash ? 10:29:09 "cia advises against iraq offensive" ?? 10:29:45 because "cat in the narrow does unpredictable jumps" 10:33:47 heh 10:36:45 "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog" 10:37:11 "dogs, at midnight, can't fly without umbrellas" 10:38:15 i don't know how to interpret this. does that mean cia feels inadequate to protect the us from repercussions from the iraqi ? 10:38:56 Speuler: sounds like thats what they are in effect doing, huh? 10:39:02 or just some pr to make saddam feel safe 10:39:06 given the benefit of the doubt 10:39:12 it's all psyops thats for sure - 10:39:18 can never trust what you hear to be true 10:40:08 oh yes we know we need to extract the hidden meaning from news item, and not take them like that 10:40:25 yeah,.. 10:40:28 but it still remains quite some guess work 10:40:44 i suppose thats true even for intelligence 11:01:46 who has the shortest day-of-week routine, and wants to share it ? 11:01:55 isforth has one 11:02:08 +-200 years would be ok 11:03:31 i grepped for "week", "day" and "dow". what's its name ? 11:04:21 nor match "tue" "wed" 11:05:38 got this now: 11:05:47 : julian ( dd mm yyyy -- julian-day ) 11:05:47 >r 3 - dup 0< 11:05:47 dup r> + >r 12 and + 11:05:47 306 * 55 + 10 / + 11:05:47 11:05:54 r@ 1461 4 */ + 11:05:56 dup 578058 > 11:05:58 if 4 - 11:06:00 r@ 100 / - 11:06:02 r@ 400 / + 11:06:04 then rdrop 11:06:06 ; 11:06:08 \ 0: monday 1: tuesday .... 6: sunday 11:06:10 : dow ( dd mm yyyy -- dow ) 11:06:12 julian 7 mod ; 11:06:29 but looking for something shorter 11:07:19 (result if julian is not exactly julian day) 11:19:58 Speuler: does "7 mod" do something?? 11:20:56 yes it returns the remainder after dividing by 7 11:21:22 but when you do it on a number from 0-6 it doesn't change it 11:22:27 oh, you're saying that dow returns 0-6. 11:23:29 Speuler: that looks pretty short to me 11:38:13 Herkamire: yes. causes the result to be 0...6 11:38:26 Herkamire: with positive number 11:38:27 s 11:39:31 Herkamire: i've had a look at several more algorithmns. some promise to be shorter. 11:41:14 Herkamire: for 1900...1999 i had an algorithm, consisting from 3 calculation, and one table lookup (12 elements). could do that menthally within 5 seconds. 11:43:29 what range do you need? 11:44:28 "Our units of temporal measurement, from secconds on up to months, are so complicated, asymmetrical and disjunctive so as to make coherent mental reckoning in time all but impossible." 11:45:18 "Indeed, had some tyrannical god contrived to enslave our minds to time, to make it all but impossible for us to escape subjection to sodden routines, and unpleasant surprises, he could hardly have done better than handing down our present system." 11:46:27 "It is like a set of trapezoidal building blocks, with no vertical or horizontal surfaces, like a language in which the simplest thought demands ornate constructions, unless particles and lengthy circumlocutions." 11:47:11 "Unlike the more successfull patterns of language and science, which enable us to face experience boldly or at least level-headedly, our system of temporal calculation silently and persistently encourages our terror of time." 11:48:24 -- Robert Grudin, "Time and the Art of Living" 11:48:52 (This section describes the textual date representations that GNU programs accept. ... 11:50:31 heee 11:51:45 Herk: I've thought about what you just wrote for 3 minutes, two score and a dozen seconds and I haven't the slightest clue what the problem could be. 11:53:37 :) 11:58:11 seriously though, a year is something I can relate to, months relate to seasons, I can relate to a day without too much trouble 11:59:03 a week is the longest I would want to work in an inane industrial setting without getting ludicrously drunk 11:59:27 I can tick seconds in my head easily enough, and 60 is evenly divisible in many convenient ways 12:01:01 --- quit: Klaw (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:05:12 --- join: Kitanin (~clark@SCF61185.ab.hsia.telus.net) joined #forth 12:05:32 --- join: Klaw`_ (chuck@ip68-4-243-214.oc.oc.cox.net) joined #forth 12:05:32 --- quit: Klaw`_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:05:42 --- join: Klaw`_ (chuck@ip68-4-243-214.oc.oc.cox.net) joined #forth 12:05:42 --- quit: Klaw`_ (Remote closed the connection) 12:05:59 --- join: Klaw`_ (chuck@ip68-4-243-214.oc.oc.cox.net) joined #forth 12:05:59 --- quit: Klaw`_ (Remote closed the connection) 12:06:09 --- join: Klaw`_ (chuck@ip68-4-243-214.oc.oc.cox.net) joined #forth 12:06:09 --- quit: Klaw`_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:25:29 --- quit: Speuler (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13:05:29 --- join: gilbertbsd (~gilbertbs@67.97.122.29) joined #forth 13:05:44 hello 13:06:19 gilbert! 13:06:20 ltns :) 13:06:29 hehe, I have been hiding. 13:06:49 the truth is, my isp wanted money and I didn't wanna give him any. 13:06:58 heh 13:10:23 --- join: Speuler (~l@mnch-d9ba403f.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #forth 13:10:34 hello Speuler 13:10:51 :) I hear I'm still getting letters from my old ISP (which I've not had contact with for ~3.5 years) 13:11:09 they miss you Xef4 13:11:23 hi gilbertbsd 13:11:57 they must.. my old hostname still resolves.. I guess it's a tax writeoff to keep billing a nonexistant customer to kingdom come 13:12:33 taxes Suck, long live anarchy. 13:13:06 grr. brb 13:13:08 --- part: gilbertbsd left #forth 13:20:31 --- quit: tathi ("Lost terminal") 13:20:42 --- join: gilbertbsd (~gilbertbs@67.97.122.120) joined #forth 13:21:20 where was I? ah yes. Where would one start in writing a forth INSIDE python? 13:39:45 --- join: Soap` (~flop@202-0-42-22.cable.paradise.net.nz) joined #forth 13:43:10 --- quit: Soap` (Client Quit) 13:46:53 gilbertbsd: perhaps with the virtual machine 13:58:21 --- quit: gilbertbsd (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:21:36 --- join: Soap` (~flop@202-0-42-22.cable.paradise.net.nz) joined #forth 14:23:22 --- quit: Herkamire ("goin' rock climbing :)") 14:41:00 --- quit: Soap` () 15:01:52 --- join: Soap` (~flop@202-0-42-22.cable.paradise.net.nz) joined #forth 15:05:40 --- join: air (~brand@12-254-199-50.client.attbi.com) joined #forth 15:10:27 --- quit: Kitanin (": war postpone peace ; immediate : freedom postpone slavery ; immediate : ignorance postpone strength ; immediate") 15:49:57 --- join: segher (segher@i1200.vwr.wanadoo.nl) joined #forth 16:03:58 --- quit: segher ("dagdag fishies!") 16:47:57 --- quit: air ("CRIA 0.2.7cvs1 -- http://cria.sf.net") 16:48:09 --- join: air (~brand@12-254-199-50.client.attbi.com) joined #forth 17:32:38 --- quit: I440r ("Reality Strikes Again!") 17:33:39 --- quit: Speuler (Remote closed the connection) 17:36:33 --- join: ianhome (~ian@12-249-67-169.client.attbi.com) joined #forth 17:44:54 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@ip-216-25-205-195.vienna.va.fcc.net) joined #forth 17:44:59 hiya all 17:57:58 bye all 17:58:00 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 18:15:27 --- quit: air ("CRIA 0.2.7cvs2 -- http://cria.sf.net") 18:15:39 --- join: air (~brand@12-254-199-50.client.attbi.com) joined #forth 19:30:05 --- join: cyberlok (cyberlok@cyberlok.no-ip.com) joined #forth 20:58:25 --- join: Speuler (~l@p3E9B8E82.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 20:58:36 'morning 21:28:13 --- quit: Speuler (Operation timed out) 22:17:58 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 22:18:24 hi 22:18:28 who's alive 22:18:30 ? 22:20:22 only me 22:20:41 hi 22:21:05 w/ whom i was arguing about self-compiling forths - u or not ? 22:21:15 or maybe w/ i440r ? 22:21:39 dunnpo 22:21:49 not me :) 22:21:52 * Serg_Penguin installs ICQ to find more forters 22:24:58 on weekend i'll try to add an IDE/FAT to Enth 22:40:41 --- quit: Serg_Penguin (Killed (NickServ (Nickname Enforcement))) 22:40:44 --- join: Serg_p (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 22:41:16 re 22:41:30 only 3 forters in RU ICQ :( 22:41:36 not too much... 22:48:22 shitty 22:48:25 cya round 22:49:44 ?? 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/02.10.10