00:00:00 --- log: started forth/02.10.07 00:35:18 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 00:38:40 --- join: cyberlok (cyberlok@cyberlok.no-ip.com) joined #forth 00:43:13 hi cyberlok 00:44:54 hey ho :) finally good to be back 00:45:01 had to do some work on my machine 00:45:49 what do u work on now 00:45:51 ? 00:46:13 right now I am taking a break 00:46:17 i tryed to write roulette analyser on saturday, in forth 00:46:33 I was also working on getting a very small libc6 working for my diskette distro 00:46:45 I am thinking of making a pack downloader 00:46:52 kool ) 00:46:53 think debian apt-get kind of 00:47:05 so you only need to boot the disk 00:47:16 then the services and apps can be loaded later if you wished 00:47:43 and boot all other from inet ? suxx, traffic is damn expensive here... 00:47:54 it is gonna base on the 100mb webspace sourceforge gives 00:48:09 well like I said 00:48:14 you "can" do it that way 00:48:36 for people who do have the bandwith 00:48:44 and considering my distro is called serverdisk 00:48:54 it is kind of assumed that you have some kind of bandwith 00:49:04 and its not all that much 00:49:12 we are talkin like 50k tops 00:49:23 depending on what you are looking to do 00:49:26 here its good only if distro is on lan, kinda hdd-less boot 00:49:47 what do you mean? 00:49:58 yes mine does run without a hdd 00:50:20 friend is working on making options for people who want to still run a hdd though 00:50:56 in fact my friend is running my diskette distro on his hd 00:51:08 strange I know 00:51:14 we are also gonna do 00:51:22 flash usb and cdrom 00:52:11 we need more developers for it though I think 00:52:14 just so much to do 00:52:22 even for a diskette distro 00:52:48 anyway i have zero interest in this 00:52:52 actually I think it is the fact that it is a diskette distro and working in minimalistic is what makes it even more complex then any mainstream distro 00:52:59 ohh 00:53:06 well it does not totally need it 00:53:11 like I said it is an option 00:53:18 maybe only in small distros, but still not floppy 00:53:33 what do you mean? 00:53:33 like mu-linux or zipslack 00:54:00 what would you want to do with the machine on your lan? 00:54:28 now i got mu-linux for messing w/ hard drives 00:54:36 ahh 00:54:48 yeah I hate how they dont release thier sourcetree's 00:54:57 really pisses me off really 00:55:07 my box has lan but i even didnot configured it 4 mulinux 00:55:36 box at work 00:55:55 box at home has no net, WinXP + RH 7.2 00:56:27 well we plan options like samba nfs email and some others 00:56:37 along with the httpd ircd and ftpd 00:57:42 samba nfs and email will have to wait for the HD section or optioinal extra ramdisk if you have enough memory 00:58:28 ohh 00:58:33 I dont know if you seen this 00:58:44 http://serverdisk.servehttp.com/stats2.txt 00:58:54 pay attention to the bogomips numbers 00:59:03 and the number of hits 00:59:24 that is one of the reasons my friend has it on his HD 00:59:31 he is benching the hell out of it for me 01:00:55 Im also giving it the long hall 01:01:02 so far it seems to run rather stable 01:01:20 going on 10 days now with no sign of memory leaks or excessive memory usage 01:02:55 in rare cases long uptime is needed 01:03:09 * Serg_Penguin reboots servers by cron 01:03:22 why do you reboot them? 01:03:31 you shouldnt have to 01:04:13 yeah well as for the uptime test it is the final say in if it is truely stable 01:04:30 so far so good... it keeps going without a hitch 01:05:15 w/ sheduled reboots, even Win 98 may run till hardware failure... 01:05:28 it's commonly used by FIDO men 01:05:39 FIDO? 01:05:48 www.fidonet.org 01:06:49 ahh the old bbs email exchange systen 01:06:51 system 01:06:59 they run win98 for fidonet? 01:09:40 mostly dos, os2 or freebsd (rare) 01:10:14 I use to run a damn what is it called 01:10:14 crap 01:10:29 runs in dos made almost entirely out of batch files 01:10:36 some use hardware watchdogs 01:10:38 begins with an S I believe 01:10:47 ??? 01:11:00 doe is damn enough 2 1-modem bbs 01:11:06 dos err... 01:11:20 I had only 1 modem for the bbs 01:11:39 I had a group of like 6 other bbs's and we had our own little email exchange 01:14:35 gonna test hardware, will go in and out... 01:23:42 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 01:46:54 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 01:47:32 re hi 02:15:34 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 02:23:18 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 02:37:49 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 02:52:53 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 02:53:00 re hi 03:01:56 --- join: jacereda (~crc@VA1-1G-u-0041.mc.onolab.com) joined #forth 03:01:56 --- quit: Serg_Penguin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:12:25 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 03:12:37 re hi 03:21:51 --- quit: cyberlok (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:29:43 --- join: RichiH (~richih@213.221.89.198) joined #forth 03:30:03 --- part: RichiH left #forth 03:34:58 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 03:54:29 --- join: Stepan (~stepan@p508478E1.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 03:56:02 hi 03:59:08 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 03:59:13 re hi 04:02:08 Hi Serg 04:05:38 hi 04:05:49 never told w/ u... 04:06:03 what's u'r experience, platform etc... 04:06:42 me - 23, 7y comp's, <1y forth, Win+linux, pc only 04:07:33 last projects - sokoban, roulete analyzer, unicode decoder, email harvester (not spammer, was seeking job) 04:08:43 gonna swap hdd to test.. 04:09:00 cd-rw :), hdd's are over.... 04:09:04 --- quit: Serg_Penguin ("one more damn cd-rw to test...") 04:19:41 --- join: XeF4 (xef4@lowfidelity.org) joined #forth 04:19:46 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 04:20:04 re hi 04:24:29 --- quit: Serg_Penguin (Client Quit) 04:37:58 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 04:38:04 re hi 04:40:50 Hi serg. 04:41:02 :))) 04:41:11 how's ur board ? 04:41:33 i started my roulette analyzer at saturday, but still not complete 04:41:39 0 > dump-dictionary Dumping dictionary 04:41:39 Dictionary Start: 0x4014b000 04:41:39 Dictionary End: 0x4014b150 04:41:39 Last: 0x4014b000 04:41:39 Detected 411 builtins, last at 0x804fc00, first at 0x804b020 04:41:40 prim relocation at 0x4014b000: 804fc00... unnamed prim UNIXSTART. 04:41:46 ups.. sorry 04:42:06 log exhibit strong pattern :) 04:42:49 today will add 'trains' length counters 04:43:04 or go for seeking job 04:43:28 he-e-e-y! 04:46:32 --- quit: Soap` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04:55:13 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 05:00:38 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 05:00:48 --- part: Serg_Penguin left #forth 05:02:41 kind of flakey, eh? 05:10:03 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 05:10:12 re hi 05:10:30 Hi again. 05:10:37 :) 05:11:18 our lucky guy says he'll go to casino on friday or saturday, i plan to stick on his tail 05:11:30 to check does the damn thing work 05:11:39 Hm? 05:11:51 How a casino works? 05:11:59 our co-worker says he regulary wins in roulette 05:12:17 Heh. 05:12:26 i checked his logs - seems hi doesn't blah-blah 05:12:42 it exhibits heavy chains 05:12:54 i even write proggie to analyse logs 05:13:31 ... 05:14:28 what do u think ? 05:16:21 Uhm. 05:16:44 * Robert thinks gambling isn't a good thing, and that people could waste their money on better things. 05:17:15 i tryed to 'bet' on logs w/ strict algoritm 05:17:29 on first log, i won 11 bets and lost 7 05:17:59 on other, lost 19 and won 11 05:18:28 i learned from it what i should adapt to train' length, not blindly assume 3 or 4 05:19:02 'train' = long serie of red, black, even, odd , 1-18 or 19-36 05:20:13 today, w/ 'lost' log, will try to come up w/ better scheme 05:21:30 10roulette is random but the man who toss the ball is not 05:22:07 or, maybe, casino is cheating to win big bets, and i can ride' on it w/ my little ones 05:22:35 k 05:22:56 Heh. 05:25:11 or, maybe, i'll ask him to read log one by one and 'bet' w/o knowing next roll in advance 05:26:27 l00ks like bu!!$it ? 05:28:37 he-e-e-y ! 05:28:50 Hrm. 05:29:25 anyway, i dunno believe much in it and wanna try w/o losing any money 05:30:15 but if it works... :) 05:30:41 Time for some school. 05:30:47 Bye. 05:30:59 he says what ones who 'bomb' casino for too much, are even getting banned.... 05:31:02 bye 05:31:24 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 05:34:07 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 05:35:35 --- quit: Serg_Penguin (Client Quit) 05:53:35 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 06:08:55 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 06:15:41 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 06:17:02 --- quit: Serg_Penguin (Client Quit) 06:45:36 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 06:47:41 re hi 07:01:21 Serg_Penguin: ithink, there is no need 2 say hello all the time... 07:02:00 ur quits & join msgs make just enough noise 07:04:51 how can i hide it ? 07:05:07 invis. mode ? 07:07:00 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 07:08:23 r u still here? 07:10:14 y 08:16:14 hi 08:16:14 --- quit: jacereda (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08:16:26 maybe i should play w/ isforth 08:26:33 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@ip68-9-58-75.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 08:27:32 hi all 08:28:23 hi 08:35:06 anybody here used BLOCKS? 09:05:25 --- join: I440r (I440r_@1Cust251.tnt3.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #forth 09:10:06 --- join: tathi (~josh@ip68-9-68-50.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 09:28:07 Hi :) 09:29:06 --- join: Speuler (~l@mnch-d9ba41f5.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #forth 09:29:15 'morning 09:30:32 I've heard of people living a century before their time, but 12 hours is less common. 09:30:57 i got up pretty early today, comparatively speaking 09:31:20 Before noon? 09:31:33 messed up my day/night rythm totally 09:32:08 twa days ago, it was 7 pm 09:32:52 some work for a machine which went to the customer today 09:33:13 the chipset on that thing was biting us 09:33:21 it crashed ! 09:33:26 with linux 09:33:53 when outputting camera image to screen, while disk activity was going on 09:34:20 t'works now 09:34:24 hopefully 09:34:41 * Speuler detests sis chipsets 09:34:53 especially the sis 740 09:35:10 only intel 810 are worse 09:35:34 Hehe. 09:36:39 the whole thing was, it couldn't cope with 24bit graphics 09:37:06 especially 1024x768x24 09:37:28 it worked most of the time allright with 800x600x24 09:37:42 but needed some work-arounds in the software 09:38:15 when going to 1024x768, all problems i thought i worked around, reappeared 09:39:24 that has cost me some night time hours 09:39:41 and caused me to flip day/night rythm 09:40:20 so, its "good morning", like it or not 09:41:39 :P 09:41:43 You're excused. 09:43:38 now i need to get mz floppz drive 09:43:59 got double power pack in my notebook right now 09:44:01 And another keymap? :P 09:44:28 and bluddy dell will only send a technician after i have executed the system tests 09:44:42 which are on floppy 09:44:55 indeed, my keyboard broke 09:45:05 only external now 09:45:25 (different layout) 12:10:00 --- quit: XeF4 (Remote closed the connection) 12:41:27 --- join: [crc] (~crc@VA1-1G-u-0007.mc.onolab.com) joined #forth 12:41:31 --- quit: [crc] (Remote closed the connection) 12:56:02 --- join: jacereda (~crc@VA1-1G-u-0007.mc.onolab.com) joined #forth 13:18:14 Puppe : You allocate memory when needed. Each section of memory should contain a pointer to the previous and/or next element. 13:19:23 Er. Ignore that. 13:22:23 Yo, all. 13:34:40 zo. 13:34:44 yo ... 13:35:01 What's up? 13:35:03 *kezboard lazout( 13:35:21 Harsh. 13:35:22 info always apprec'd :) 13:36:32 Ah... You're passing an element of the array, not the array itself. 13:36:43 Ah, multiple windows. :( 13:41:28 --- join: Kitanin (~clark@SCF61185.ab.hsia.telus.net) joined #forth 14:04:43 hi kitan 14:51:22 --- quit: Kitanin (": war postpone peace ; immediate : freedom postpone slavery ; immediate : ignorance postpone strength ; immediate") 15:00:18 wow 15:00:22 isforth is cool :)) 15:00:30 i know hehe 15:00:36 but it still needs alot of work 15:00:58 i'm really impressed... all I'ev done is run it though :) 15:01:03 too bad I'm a forth newbie 15:01:14 stick with it, 15:01:23 im trying to do a tutorial for it now too 15:01:38 i need some sample code using file writing 15:01:51 well thers fload and fsave 15:01:58 but that might not help you 15:01:58 I've got the feel of how to go about it (coding forth) - I'm just way newbie still :) 15:03:40 how do I show the content of a word.. 15:04:22 what do you mean, the content 15:04:36 a dictionary word 15:04:42 what comprises it :) 15:04:50 you mean. decompile it ? 15:04:58 yeah 15:05:01 I suppose I do? 15:05:04 isforth doesnt have a "see" word yet 15:05:05 bear with me here 15:05:12 you're um a bit more advanced than I 15:05:17 the only way right now is to look at the source file heh 15:05:26 Okay 15:05:37 What's the disassembler code for 8051? what's that mean? heh 15:05:40 excuse my ignorance 15:05:54 nono. dont appologise for being a newbie 15:06:01 everyone was a newbie once :) 15:06:08 I don't feel sorry, jsut padding my questions 15:06:14 :) 15:06:17 with concessions for my ignorance 15:06:17 heheh 15:11:16 --- join: jammi (~otus@nzym.fi) joined #forth 15:11:28 hi. 15:11:30 lo 15:11:47 Terve :) 15:11:59 moikkelis :) 15:12:11 moi 15:12:12 thats al i know 15:12:14 :D 15:12:17 moi and perkele 15:12:28 and saatana.. thats it 15:12:29 :P 15:12:31 I know "yksi, kaksi, kolme"... 15:12:32 --- join: Stepan_ (~stepan@pD9E53ADB.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 15:12:34 That's it, hehe. 15:12:38 Robert: what those mean? 15:12:46 That's what all stupid swedes know. 15:12:50 Hahah 15:12:51 ianni: 1, 2, 4. 15:12:51 er 15:12:54 that's the only words needed.. the rest is built on them :) 15:12:56 1, 2, 3 evem. 15:12:59 jammi: lol 15:12:59 even 15:13:04 like swedish and "bajs" 15:13:11 ianni: Really? 15:13:21 haha 15:13:22 You foreigners are silly :P 15:13:55 I'm american :) 15:14:10 so I guess I'm not a "rebel" of the "empire" on paper 15:14:11 bwahaha 15:14:21 ianni where in usa ? 15:14:25 You're an evil american! 15:14:27 Well, bbl. 15:14:29 (sleep) 15:14:31 Nigth all :) 15:14:32 Chicago. 15:14:34 night... 15:14:45 ugh ill-annoy :P 15:14:48 im in indiana 15:15:05 Ha ha 15:15:07 cool 15:15:16 I grew up in oklahoma 15:15:18 and this state isnt a declared defensless victim zone :P 15:15:23 moevd here for job + better city :) 15:15:28 aha. how do you mean 15:15:34 chicago just happens to be the murder capital of the world. 15:15:40 actually that's baltimore 15:15:49 a defensless victim is one who is not legally allowed to defend himself 15:15:52 but yeah, you dont go in the wrong neighborhood in Chicago 15:15:58 how does grandma defend herself from 6 gang members 15:16:03 answer.. by shooting back 15:16:06 I live in a very low-crime neighborhood 15:16:11 not in il-annoy tho 15:16:13 or so it would seem 15:16:20 heh really? that's lame 15:16:25 ianni so do i. but that doesnt make it SAFE 15:16:27 welcome to US law 15:16:35 ianni hang on ill get you a url :) 15:16:45 I440r: so, you won't be safe anywhere 15:16:55 there were gangs in Tulsa too 15:16:57 http://www.rkba.org/comment/cowards.html 15:16:59 read that 15:17:09 i carry my 45 EVERYWHERE. 15:17:15 lol 15:17:17 including where the "law" says im not allowed 15:17:20 legally? 15:17:24 mostly 15:17:28 americans are mad 15:17:28 even in a airport? 15:17:33 hell yes 15:17:36 and i a bar 15:17:41 what about a plane? 15:17:42 and in a school 15:17:44 cant there 15:17:45 well.. i live in a quite safe and near 0-criminality society :) 15:17:48 how hard is it to get that license? 15:17:50 which is why i will NEVER fly again 15:17:52 for concealed weapon? 15:17:54 they do NTO get my custom 15:17:57 out in the archipelago. 15:18:01 its not a lisence 15:18:03 its a permit 15:18:07 well - 15:18:15 and indiana is a SHALL ISSUE state 15:18:34 i.e. unless they can find a damned good reason not to issue you with a permit 15:18:38 they are REQUIRED to do so 15:18:53 * ianni assumes Illinois' laws are different 15:19:10 ill-annoy has enacted some ILLEGAL laws 15:19:21 the constitution gives you the right to go armed 15:19:32 ill-annoy says "we will arrest yo if you do" 15:19:37 goi read that url :) 15:19:43 I have 15:19:59 shocking, a forther with strong philsophical sentiments... 15:20:02 :P 15:20:04 :) 15:20:08 you read it all ? 15:20:17 yeah 15:20:24 you cant have 15:20:25 it makes good points 15:20:27 u a speed reader ? 15:20:28 I skimmed it 15:20:34 nah :) 15:20:34 ugh dont skimm :P 15:20:38 READ it :P 15:20:43 I skim quickly 15:20:45 I did 15:20:48 read a lot of it 15:20:48 heh 15:20:53 excuse me 15:20:55 I scanned it 15:20:57 not skimmed 15:20:57 :D 15:21:16 :) 15:21:33 gonna go hmoe on the CTA 15:21:38 will dodge bullets if necessary 15:21:43 bbl\ 15:21:44 :) 15:28:46 --- quit: Stepan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:30:37 Stepan_: oooh, r u here? 16:11:39 --- quit: Herkamire ("leaving") 16:15:04 heh 16:15:07 hi onetom 16:19:09 --- quit: jacereda (Remote closed the connection) 16:21:24 --- quit: I440r ("Reality Strikes Again!") 16:22:21 he must like you 16:42:58 :)) 16:43:12 he must b sleepin 16:43:23 whats up anyway? 16:55:53 nothin 16:55:57 drinking a pint 16:56:08 gonna make music 16:57:10 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@ip-216-25-202-121.vienna.va.fcc.net) joined #forth 16:57:27 hiya all...checking...will depart soon 17:07:36 c 17:07:53 * onetom tests picforth 17:08:06 hiya onetom 17:08:17 v0.19. it optimizes amazingly 17:08:34 why r u in a rush? 17:08:48 what r u planning 2 do? 17:09:46 will have to sleep soon....have to get up damn early 17:23:59 gotta go...bye all 17:24:03 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 17:59:58 --- nick: Stepan_ -> Stepan 17:59:59 re 18:11:51 hi stepan 18:48:41 hi! 18:49:34 Stepan: u were here long time ago 18:49:46 Stepan: whats up w ya? 18:51:30 all: ive hacked a keyboard routine in picasm 18:51:50 macro 18:51:51 : col: portb swap bit-set ; 18:51:51 : r: portb swap bit-set? if ; 18:51:51 : | >w then ; 18:51:51 target 18:51:53 : key fe ( nokey code) >w 18:51:56 7 col: 1 r: 03 | 2 r: 06 | 3 r: 09 | 4 r: 0B | 18:51:58 6 col: 1 r: 02 | 2 r: 05 | 3 r: 08 | 4 r: 00 | 18:52:01 5 col: 1 r: 01 | 2 r: 04 | 3 r: 07 | 4 r: 0A | w> ; 18:53:10 it polls a 3x4 keyboard matrix and compiles 2 0x1E machine words 18:54:14 & those absolutely look like a handcrafted assembly 19:04:46 macro? target? 19:04:48 are those words as cool as they sound? 19:05:09 like does macro make it generate words that when executed generate the code to do what the body does? 19:05:12 like inline? 19:05:16 and then target turns that off? 19:05:28 well.. 19:05:49 im afraid, exactly ;) 19:06:13