00:00:00 --- log: started forth/02.09.30 00:04:08 --- join: proteus (~proteusgu@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 00:04:45 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:41:52 --- join: Kitanin (~clark@SCF61185.ab.hsia.telus.net) joined #forth 01:00:17 --- quit: Kitanin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:07:00 --- join: yeahright (~proteusgu@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 01:07:22 --- quit: proteus (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:29:35 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 01:30:03 --- quit: Serg_Penguin (Client Quit) 02:04:22 --- quit: yeahright (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:05:30 --- join: yeahright (~proteusgu@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 02:15:26 --- join: Soap` (~flop@202-0-42-22.cable.paradise.net.nz) joined #forth 02:30:20 --- join: Stepan (~stepan@Charybdis.suse.de) joined #forth 02:30:32 hi dudes 02:42:03 --- join: Kitanin (~clark@SCF61185.ab.hsia.telus.net) joined #forth 03:03:37 --- quit: yeahright (Connection timed out) 03:04:27 --- join: yeahright (~proteusgu@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 03:08:59 --- join: pont (~pont@c102.39.58.203.satellite.bigpond.com) joined #forth 03:43:16 --- quit: pont (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04:07:43 --- join: proteus (~proteusgu@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 04:08:04 --- quit: yeahright (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:03:45 --- quit: Kitanin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:07:32 --- join: yeahright (~proteusgu@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 05:08:11 --- quit: proteus (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:36:31 --- join: ASau (ASau@158.250.48.197) joined #forth 05:52:04 --- quit: yeahright (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:52:32 --- join: yeahright (~proteusgu@24.197.147.197) joined #forth 06:07:42 --- quit: ASau () 06:42:13 --- join: Kitanin (~clark@SCF61185.ab.hsia.telus.net) joined #forth 06:56:53 --- join: jacereda (~jacereda@VA1-1G-u-0041.mc.onolab.com) joined #forth 07:03:40 --- quit: Stepan ("Do you think it is air you are breathing? Hmm?") 07:04:26 --- quit: yeahright (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:05:57 --- join: yeahright (~proteusgu@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 08:03:28 --- quit: yeahright (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:03:33 --- join: proteus (~proteusgu@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 08:55:17 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@24.197.147.197) joined #forth 09:03:51 --- quit: proteus (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:03:58 --- join: Speuler (~l@pD950257F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 09:05:09 Good evening :) 09:34:11 --- quit: Kitanin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:48:54 --- join: tathi (~josh@ip68-9-68-50.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 10:03:34 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:08:49 --- join: I440r (~mark4@1Cust94.tnt2.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #forth 10:15:26 --- quit: Speuler (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11:15:50 --- join: Kitanin (~clark@SCF61185.ab.hsia.telus.net) joined #forth 11:31:57 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@ip68-9-58-75.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 12:05:54 --- join: cleverdra (julianf@0-1pool37-142.nas2.florence1.sc.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 12:28:33 --- quit: Herkamire ("leaving") 12:31:02 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@ip68-9-58-75.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 12:58:49 /names #forth 12:59:35 /kick jacereda Oh, how clumsy you can be! 12:59:35 oops 12:59:44 :) 12:59:45 Hello. 12:59:58 hi robert 13:16:34 --- quit: cleverdra (Connection timed out) 13:26:34 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 13:28:59 --- quit: jacereda (Remote closed the connection) 13:38:56 --- part: Kitanin left #forth 13:46:20 --- join: Kitanin (~clark@scf61185.ab.hsia.telus.net) joined #forth 14:00:05 --- join: seunosewa (~login@213.181.68.14) joined #forth 14:01:13 hi! I wonder if there's a way to prove that a stack machine can be as efficient as a register-based machine 14:07:30 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:08:16 --- join: I440r (~mark4@1Cust94.tnt2.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #forth 14:12:03 seunosewa: define "efficient" in context. 14:12:53 hmmm ... doing the most amount of work with the minimal power / chip size requirements 14:17:47 Unfortunately, you've still left a lot of room for confusion with that definition. 14:18:43 Consider this: a stack-based CPU looks a lot like a register-based CPU with automatic register renaming. 14:19:08 I thought so ... 14:21:48 Given a similar level of features in the instruction sets, you can have shorter instructions with zero-operand instructions. 14:23:17 hmmm ... but these days memory is cheap and its the parallelism you can get that counts .. i think 14:29:06 whatever. thanks, TreyB for your insight 14:29:28 FORTH can live efficiently within another system, anyway 14:29:59 ye! 14:30:13 bye* cya 14:30:16 --- part: seunosewa left #forth 15:19:05 --- quit: Kitanin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:37:13 --- join: seunosewa (~login@213.181.68.14) joined #forth 16:11:24 seunosewa: I think it is clear that stack based computers work great for really small chips. 16:12:05 I haven't heard of stack based computers on a large scale though. 16:12:20 except for Chuck Moore's 25x chip, which hasn't been manufactured yet. 16:15:03 --- join: xcabbage (Cabbage@AC9E608E.ipt.aol.com) joined #forth 16:15:37 Hey xcabbage. 16:15:48 Come to see just what's being bashed? 16:16:59 bash -c "echo Fractal" 16:17:04 http://www.forth.com/Content/History/History3.htm 16:17:33 ^ That's a good link for explaining what forth is, I think. 16:21:05 --- part: xcabbage left #forth 16:44:40 --- quit: Herkamire ("I'm off to try the humane editor.") 16:45:12 --- join: Kitanin (~clark@SCF61185.ab.hsia.telus.net) joined #forth 16:45:24 --- part: Kitanin left #forth 16:49:42 --- quit: Robert (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:49:42 --- quit: seunosewa (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:49:42 --- quit: cyberlok (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:49:42 --- quit: Soap` (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:49:42 --- quit: Klaw (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:49:42 --- quit: air (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:49:42 --- quit: TreyB (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:49:42 --- quit: dmiles (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:49:42 --- quit: ianni (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:49:42 --- quit: skylan (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:49:43 --- quit: ChanServ (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:58:19 --- join: seunosewa (~login@213.181.68.14) joined #forth 16:58:19 --- join: Robert (~Robert@robost86.tsps1.freenet6.net) joined #forth 16:58:19 --- join: cyberlok (CyberLOK@cyberlok.no-ip.com) joined #forth 16:58:39 --- join: ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) joined #forth 16:58:39 --- join: Soap` (~flop@202-0-42-22.cable.paradise.net.nz) joined #forth 16:58:39 --- join: skylan (sjh@Sprint3037.tbaytel.net) joined #forth 16:58:39 --- join: ianni (ian@inpuj.net) joined #forth 16:58:39 --- join: air (~brand@12-254-199-50.client.attbi.com) joined #forth 16:58:39 --- join: Klaw (chuck@ip68-4-243-214.oc.oc.cox.net) joined #forth 16:58:39 --- join: TreyB (~trey@cpe-66-87-192-27.tx.sprintbbd.net) joined #forth 16:58:39 --- join: dmiles (logicmoo@12-225-195-245.client.attbi.com) joined #forth 16:58:39 --- mode: card.freenode.net set +o ChanServ 17:04:31 --- part: seunosewa left #forth 17:19:13 --- quit: I440r ("Reality Strikes Again!") 17:39:29 --- join: XeF4 (xef4@lowfidelity.org) joined #forth 17:56:40 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@ip68-9-58-75.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 18:00:36 --- quit: Herkamire (Client Quit) 18:32:14 --- join: xcabbage (Cabbage@AC9E608E.ipt.aol.com) joined #forth 18:45:51 --- join: galexand (~galexand@adsl-80-155-80.rdu.bellsouth.net) joined #forth 19:32:46 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@ip68-9-58-75.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 19:42:52 --- quit: Soap` () 19:49:00 --- quit: cyberlok (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:50:13 --- join: Soap` (~flop@202-0-42-22.cable.paradise.net.nz) joined #forth 19:56:30 --- part: xcabbage left #forth 21:44:50 --- quit: Herkamire ("goodnight") 21:47:40 --- quit: Soap` () 23:11:53 --- join: joeKr (COM2@dialup-207-232-88-23.omaha.radiks.net) joined #forth 23:32:51 --- part: joeKr left #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/02.09.30