00:00:00 --- log: started forth/02.09.22 00:00:07 yes 00:00:07 i have them already 00:00:10 just not dns queries 00:00:23 its not going to be in the extended kernel by default 00:00:25 Nice. What kinda word interface you thinking of using? 00:00:30 but the .f files will be there for you 00:00:47 and ill release my irc bot code as an example 00:00:53 I need help why would 00:01:00 tomsrtbt boot fine 00:01:07 thats if i can pluck up the courage to do any of it 00:01:07 but mine will Loading........ 00:01:23 as soon as it is done ...... it reboots where it should be loading the rootfs 00:02:24 fractal the sockets code needs polishing more, but ill release it as is after adding dns queries 00:02:31 --- part: LuckyPhil left #forth 00:13:00 does anyone know why my comp would reboot under the same format as tomsrtbt /dev/fd0u7220 and this will boot? 00:13:13 is my kernel keyword wrong or something odd 00:14:06 yup I send it just as normal to /dev/fd0 it works 00:14:15 well maybe not 00:14:21 it cant find rootfs 00:27:37 damn pong does not work on server dosl 00:27:38 disk 00:27:50 No? What's wrong with it? 00:28:51 RESETING STACKS AND STATE 00:28:51 UNABLE TO FIND WORD "aibattle". 00:29:00 join #forthflood 00:29:05 Woah. That shouldn't happen. :) 00:34:42 testin now 00:34:47 booting actually 00:35:28 Cool. 00:35:56 suck for 0.2 I wont break the 1.44 barrier 00:36:12 something is misconfigured so that 1.760 does not boot 00:36:23 yet tomsrtbt does 00:36:50 and yes tomsrtbt is 1760kb in size 00:38:16 Does frugal work? 00:38:48 one sec 00:38:58 was waiting for the write stage to end 00:39:18 one thing that sucks is the bz2 causes slower boots 00:39:20 Oh, ok. 00:39:27 Ya... 00:39:46 I bave a bz2 kernel and a bz2 rootfs 00:39:51 sqeeze! 00:40:50 --- join: joeKr (COM2@wsip68-15-231-4.om.om.cox.net) joined #forth 00:41:23 hi joe 00:41:23 yup it works 00:41:30 screensaver is on ;) 00:41:36 :) 00:41:48 kind of funny to see ascii go at it 00:41:54 I440r: Hi right back 00:42:07 are you a bot? heh 00:42:13 Heh. Ya. 00:42:22 thunked so :) 00:42:25 No, not me. 00:42:32 erm heh 00:42:52 joker codes forth ? 00:44:24 ok I think I am done for the night 00:44:34 No, but I messed with it a little back in ancient times (when you had to compile by rubbing two sticks together), and I thought it was pretty cool, but left it behind. Saw your channel, and thought I'd hear the latest Forth news. 00:44:35 :) 00:44:41 bbl 00:44:43 --- quit: thin ("bbl") 00:44:57 joeKr real coders STILL use the 2 sticks method 00:45:04 i.e. they dont go anywhere near a c compiler 00:45:15 c compiler is for coders who need mommy to hold their hand :P 00:46:07 Haha, maybe I can stay then, never learned c. Want to though, *now* will you kick me, LOL? 00:46:16 nope 00:46:17 i code c 00:46:41 dont lie 00:46:44 he codes ASM 00:46:56 hehe 00:47:15 ASM as in for PC? 00:47:30 asm is for anything 00:47:48 x86 motorola chips wierd after market chips 00:47:57 any semi intelligent semiconductor 00:48:11 Well, I do asm too, but usually for small embedded jobs, never tried to tie in to PC I/O, etc. 00:48:58 joeKr how old are u ? 00:49:24 Haha, old enough to know better 00:49:30 http://serverdisk.sourceforge.net its my project and right now the ftpd and httpd are written entirely in asm 00:49:36 as well as many other programs 00:49:41 heh im 38. you do embedded control (i mean as a job) ??? 00:49:58 me? 00:49:59 heck no 00:50:04 I would be able to pay the bills then 00:50:48 Oh, I do a little of everything. Embedded programming, PC layout, Factory automation, PLC programming, different things. 00:51:03 joker where u located ? 00:51:03 coo 00:51:29 Some CNC too, both programming and repair. 00:51:42 Central USA 00:51:43 I am one of the many unemployed Minnesota IT people 00:52:10 before then I was working for codeweavers 00:52:16 Unemployed IT? Isn't that a contradiction, LOL? 00:52:23 umm 00:52:24 no 00:52:59 it is ALWAYS the it people to be layed off first 00:53:22 and anyone who doesnt think so should look at states having massive layoffs 00:53:24 Yeah, I know what you guys mean, I've got a freind in the east, he's looking for work too. 00:53:31 cyber i usually work as a consultant 00:53:37 my last contract was last august 00:53:59 best fucking coder ever and i cant get a job 00:54:04 it sux :P 00:54:10 I can build good stuff... as you can see but right now there is no use for someone with my talent 00:54:31 hehe 00:54:42 yeah I think I told you my metaphor on who exactly I am in jobs 00:55:09 Hey, I know what you mean, I'm working on getting into real estate on the side. Waiting for the "fire alarm" to ring doesn't bring in a check. 00:55:17 I am a designer by nature I wish I could code as well as you I440r 00:55:52 MN unemployment benifits though rock 00:56:56 exactly 00:57:33 This is the first time I've thought about Forth in quite awhile, is your subject line the leading place now? Is forth.com still around? 00:57:49 isforth.clss.net 00:57:53 isforth is my baby 00:57:58 i wrote her 00:58:13 will continue but realy want help 00:58:23 Im gonna write another forth to make out with his forth and they will have babies 00:58:24 theres alot left to do and its getting me down that im the only one doing anything :P 00:58:26 OK, I'll take a look right now 00:58:38 cyber lol 00:58:44 ;) 00:59:10 forth is an hamaphrodyte (is that how you spell it?) 00:59:16 futhin will know :P 00:59:32 hermaphrodyte 00:59:40 i was close :) 00:59:50 hey I SUCK at spelling man 00:59:56 ask anyone I know irl 00:59:57 me too hehe 01:00:01 they will tell you :) 01:00:03 i cant type either 01:00:10 i can type 35 wrong words per minute 01:00:21 that all? 01:00:30 for a coder you suck! :P 01:00:48 * cyberlok 1 finger types a good 40 01:01:19 i have friends who can type 80 CORRECT words per minute 01:01:24 I cant believe I got frugal working on serverdisk 01:01:26 but their code sucks 01:01:28 A friend of mine (who is a notoriously bad speller) says: "It's a small mind that can only spell a word one way." 01:01:41 hehe 01:01:42 cool! 01:02:01 so now server admins can play pong! 01:02:07 line um up boys :) 01:02:29 You guys know anything about Linux? 01:02:36 <- hopes serverdisk will influx more coders to 4th 01:02:53 "its like perl but not" 01:02:56 isforth is for linux 01:03:03 it is coded in 100% pure asm 01:03:07 it uses syscalls for everything 01:03:07 if only we could do a #!/bin/isforth 01:03:11 NO external libs are used 01:03:15 you can 01:03:27 you can use shebanged source files 01:03:29 4th cgi anyone :) 01:03:38 :) 01:03:49 "your running what on what?" 01:03:53 hehe 01:04:07 instead of zope 01:04:10 call it soap 01:04:15 Yeah, I figured as much when I saw the "...tar.bz" or whatever it was. (Is that a "tarball"? I haven't got a handle on those yet). 01:04:28 yes, its a bzipped tarball 01:04:34 joeKr what distro are you running ? 01:04:41 if your using linux i mean 01:04:44 oh no you should know tarballs 01:06:08 joeKr when you down load it 01:06:13 you can just do 01:06:26 bunzip2 filename.tar.bz2 01:06:35 then tar -xvf filname.tar 01:06:40 Haha, Win98! Wait, wait, don't kick me! I'm a Windows network admin, trying to learn Linux since M$ decided to start driving away all their customers. I'm trying Mandrake 9.0 beta 4, just downloaded RC3, but don't know how to burn it. 01:06:53 if your in debian you can do tar xivf file.tar.bz2 01:06:56 oh np dude 01:06:59 maybe in other distros too 01:06:59 in mandrake 01:07:11 open up your gui drive explorer 01:07:16 I forget what its called 01:07:23 about the equiv to windows explorer 01:07:26 joeKr dive in at the deep end, its the only way to learn linux 01:07:40 but know this. linux is very unforgiging of the ignorant 01:07:45 it takes time 01:07:51 learn to love it and she will love you back 01:08:05 theres alot to learn but thers alot of help too :) 01:08:07 find the file and double click it 01:08:23 if memory serves me right they have bz2 an tar extractor built into X 01:08:33 winace can handle tars but i dont know if she can handle bzips 01:08:40 3 lovely words joeKr 01:08:46 man howto irc 01:08:53 when you need help that is 01:09:35 or be like me stumble in drunk and be like... how do I gunzip again ? hehe :) 01:09:39 That's what I'm doing, but it's very frustrating when I want to do some simple thing that would be one click or three in Windows, but because I don't know what I'm doing, it takes an hour on the web and IRC before I see, "you have to jhgffj /dev0" or something like that. But I like it so far, very powerful. And free! 01:10:07 joeKr one thing about linux 01:10:16 once you learn you have learned 01:10:31 unlike windows it does not change the fundementals all that much 01:10:48 not even if you go from one distro to another 01:10:56 "with great power comes great responcibility" 01:10:59 tho there are differences between the various distros 01:11:09 yup there are differences 01:11:18 but the "core" if you will always remains the same 01:11:21 cyberlok thats the thing with forth too 01:11:31 YOU have the power 01:11:41 so you also have the responsability 01:11:53 and on that note 01:11:57 cue the music 01:12:02 *~~ ~~ ~~~~ 01:12:26 also dont mind us most linux people are fruity 01:12:27 heh 01:12:52 joeKr this irc network is the best place for a linux newbie to hang out 01:13:05 check out #linux #linuxhelp 01:13:06 but if you need help on something its best to have at least tried first 01:13:08 if you say " 01:13:12 also have channels just for your distro 01:13:14 #mandrake 01:13:19 "how do i do ...." they will answer "rtfm" 01:13:35 or rtfm you idiot 01:13:35 It seems to be really great, I'm very impressed. It's running on good recent hardware, but now someone gave me an old PC, 200MHz Pentium (1) MMX, 128MB, 10GB Hdd, 4GB Hdd. So I hate to just set it out on the curb. But beta 4 wouldn't install (it should), so I downloade RC3, for real this time, no Win98 involved. It was 20x faster than 98! 01:14:06 of course 01:14:14 yup 01:14:21 the binaries not only have a better multi thread ability 01:14:23 whats more if a program in linux gpf's IT dies 01:14:27 not everything 01:14:27 Well, OK, maybe not 20x faster, lets say about 4 or 5 x fasdter. 01:14:33 they are also more then likely compiled for your hardware 01:14:37 unlike win98 01:14:43 joeKr embelisment is ok,.... call it 20 times :) 01:15:17 http://serverdisk.servehttp.com is running on a 486 :) 01:15:27 no HD and 48 mb ram 01:15:50 Win98 was about 6-7 hours for each full CD iso, 9.0 was about 90 mins per full CD iso. 01:15:57 my main webserver mail server ftp server sshd server 01:16:23 is all running on a 586 233mhrz 17 gig hd and 256 memory 01:16:34 joeKr i consider 98 to be the only realy useful m$ product 01:16:34 and I host real sites 01:16:51 cyberlok's site is COOL!!!! 01:16:52 I440r how that is so true 01:17:13 yeah my personal site on the 586 is 01:17:19 http://cyberlok.hopto.org 01:17:31 Yes, thanks, I'm in #Mandrake now, also #MDK-Cooker, samba, etc. I thought I'd lurk around and receive the benefit of everyone's wisdom tonight. 01:17:52 I440r which one did you look at? 01:17:52 joeKr if youre even SLIGHTLY interested in forth hang here :) 01:17:59 which one what ? 01:18:13 cyberlok's site is COOL!!!! 01:18:19 --- quit: Robert (Remote closed the connection) 01:18:53 http://cyberlok.hopto.org/ 01:19:07 ahh yeah I put a crap load of work into that one 01:19:22 OK, will keep #Forth in mind 01:19:30 I think it is time for me to change the look again anyways 01:19:46 peace all 01:19:49 afk 01:20:56 What's my deal with cdrecord, do you think? When I use the package thingy to install, it says it's installed, but when I say "cdrecord" or "whereis cdrecord", nothing. What am I doing wrong? 01:22:22 joeKr I would recommend you get yourself a linux for dummies 01:22:34 just to pick up the minimum usage basics 01:22:46 joeKr thers no whereis 01:22:51 its called locate 01:22:55 locate cdrecord 01:23:02 Yeah, I need manuals desperately, I'm hoping 9.0 goes gold real soon. 01:23:12 and you have to updatedb or else your locate db will be out of date when it looks 01:23:25 ya 01:23:29 if you want to learn linux 01:23:34 I would recommend off mandrake 01:23:44 and on to something more to the core 01:23:47 like slackware 01:24:01 you learn basic networkin 01:24:09 the concepts behind tgz files 01:24:16 learn more about the console 01:24:31 cuz loads of newbies get trapped in X windows hell 01:24:36 i would recomend redhat for a beginner and then debian when you have the bsicis heh 01:24:45 --- join: Robert (~Robert@robost86.tsps1.freenet6.net) joined #forth 01:24:50 yes. advise dont use x to begin with 01:24:50 where if X windows stops they dont know what to do and basically become a windows end user 01:25:15 I440r I was thinking slack only cuz of tgz concepts 01:25:22 rpms can be entrapping as well 01:25:28 cyber ya 01:25:33 .debs are cool 01:25:44 i think package managment simplifies things for a beginner 01:25:50 of course 01:25:54 but at the same time doesnt paint them into a corner 01:25:55 but if packaging 01:25:58 deb all the way 01:26:02 but ANY linux distro is good 01:26:03 cant beat apt-get 01:26:09 no 01:26:16 I DONT recommend Corel ;) 01:26:19 hehe 01:26:26 corel is debian with a new name :P 01:26:37 yeah but is suzors 01:26:41 suxors 01:26:48 i know :) 01:27:04 but if you install correl you can change your sources.list and dist-upgrade to debian hehe 01:27:05 once you learn debian redhat slackware 01:27:14 your pritty much read to take on any distro 01:27:21 I personally customize all of mine 01:27:25 hell I even build them 01:27:48 I440r oh yeah a n00b will know that ;) 01:28:24 I taught my uncle linux with a 386 and 20 mb hd 01:28:35 cool 01:28:36 he now knows linux pritty well 01:28:51 I was like before windows try to do it "here" 01:28:55 and you will learn 01:29:02 he hates X 01:29:07 you can imagine 01:29:15 joeKr dont try learn everything at once, it took me 2 years to get familiar with linux 01:29:19 and im STILL learning 01:29:23 all his knowledge is nonX 01:29:29 im still crap at firewalls heh 01:29:37 ummm 01:29:53 iptables -P forward deny 01:30:07 hehe 01:30:12 -A 01:30:18 and -L 01:30:22 all you need to know :) 01:30:40 of course I been using linux since I was real young like 13-14 01:30:40 lol 01:31:11 ive been using it almost exclusivly for about 6 years now 01:31:16 neway i gtg zzz 01:31:31 Hey, sorry I dropped off for a bit, your "locate" got me results (although of a flavor I have not seen before, I'm *sure* it was "whereis" before) and so I found 1 thing I was looking for: my command is not md5 (filename), but md5sum (filename), so I am making progress again. Thanks! 01:31:54 joeKr cool. 01:31:59 coo 01:32:07 hehe Im so bad I dont md5 :) 01:32:07 each little bit you learn is one thing less to learn 01:32:23 joker as root do "updatedb" 01:32:31 it will update the locate database 01:32:53 root == god so dont run as him unless you have to 01:33:01 or if your a punk like me 01:33:20 i ran my box as root for teh first 2 years 01:33:27 but i was totally offline with linux then 01:33:40 i almost never root these days 01:33:43 hehe I didnt until like the last 4 01:33:54 cuz I am confident enough to control it 01:33:58 neway i realy need to get some sleep hehe 01:34:03 its 3:38 am here :P 01:34:07 :P 01:34:15 yeh same here f00 01:34:21 --- quit: I440r (": sleep bed go tuck light off ; immediate") 01:35:34 Hey, cyberlok, tell I440r thanks for his help next time you see him, and thanks to you too. 01:50:24 --- quit: Robert (Remote closed the connection) 01:50:30 --- join: Robert (~Robert@robost86.tsps1.freenet6.net) joined #forth 02:08:54 --- quit: Forth (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04:50:55 --- quit: Robert ("Male cows are aggressive.") 04:54:52 --- join: Robert (~Robert@robost86.tsps1.freenet6.net) joined #forth 04:56:30 --- part: joeKr left #forth 08:50:06 --- join: Speuler (~l@pD950251E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 09:36:54 --- join: thin (thin@h24-66-221-120.cg.shawcable.net) joined #forth 09:37:14 argh! 09:37:20 i reinstalled windows 09:37:34 and i forgot to save the favorites directory with all my bookmarks :( 09:37:40 i had like 200 or so 09:43:32 >:-/ 09:43:37 You can have mine! :P 09:44:06 heh 09:44:16 hmm 09:44:24 gimme your forth bookmarks :P 09:44:58 Well, eh.. check the links on robert.zizi.org instead :P 09:47:18 i had a bunch of economics links.. can't believe i lost them :( 09:47:39 * thin is going to mourn for the rest of today 09:48:18 i probably had like 40 forth links 09:48:18 heh 09:52:43 thin that is why you use a bookmark engine 09:52:53 http://cln.no-ip.org for more info on that 09:52:59 I own that site btw 09:53:52 Hah. 09:54:06 Right, you were one of these ultra-capitalist wierdos. 09:55:10 economics != capitalism :P 09:57:08 I know, but you're still an ultra-capitalistic wierdo. 10:18:41 --- join: Chef_ (~sam@m222.net81-65-249.noos.fr) joined #forth 10:19:14 * Chef_ is away: Working hard, idling on the channel 10:19:33 yay chef_, go get 'em girl! 10:24:43 --- join: XeF4 (kankie@12-245-111-146.client.attbi.com) joined #forth 10:28:08 Hey Robert : Wrote my own pong: www.hcsw.org/frugal/ 10:30:08 everybody, i lost my bookmarks.. anybody willing to email me their forth bookmarks, etc? 10:31:14 thin: you better check http://dmoz.org/Computers/Programming/Languages/Forth/ 10:31:50 Fractal: if you elaborate a bit more on frugal, I'd be happy to add it there (on dmoz.org) 10:32:05 Chef_ : Will do. Thanks. 10:32:28 There are some pretty good docs in the tarball. I assume you mean on the website? 10:33:02 Fractal: yup 10:33:16 Fractal: and in the README, you have a typo (the include" line), which means we cannot use cut'n paste 10:33:25 include" progrs/pong.fs" (extra "r") 10:33:40 Ah yes, you're right. 10:33:53 Will be fixed in the next release. 10:41:05 So, whatcha think of the pong? 11:18:18 --- quit: thin ("bye all") 11:47:49 --- quit: XeF4 ("pois") 12:04:42 --- join: tcn (tcn@tc3-login32.megatrondata.com) joined #forth 12:05:00 Hi, tcn. 12:05:55 howdy 12:07:11 heh.. did you get the spam about "cheap tobacco"? 12:07:40 Eh, no. 12:07:59 * Robert is arguing with a fanatic Forth hater. 12:09:28 so you want to fight, eh? :) 12:12:28 really, where is this fanatic? 12:17:19 #ypn and #tpu, Smerdyakov. 12:17:30 He thinks SML is superior to everything. 12:17:33 hheheh 12:17:45 (And that all litterature except Dorstojevskij is crap) 12:17:46 if looks don't count for anything 12:50:38 --- quit: Speuler (Operation timed out) 13:14:15 --- quit: skylan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:16:28 --- join: skylan (sjh@207.164.213.50) joined #forth 14:20:24 --- join: _jorge_ (~jacereda@VA1-1G-u-0041.mc.onolab.com) joined #forth 14:23:56 <_jorge_> anyone working on arm? 14:24:06 Nope 14:24:51 Is your question highly arm dependent? 14:25:04 <_jorge_> well, i need a fast um/mod for it 14:25:15 <_jorge_> it could be implemented in C anyway 14:27:42 I'm not sure you'll get the fastest one in C, since both won't be calculated at the same time. 14:28:53 Hm. I know someone who works with ARM for living. 14:29:00 He's probably sleeping now, though. 14:29:07 <_jorge_> well, libgcc has a udivmoddi that is a 64:64 mod & div... but it is a bit overkill 14:29:27 jorge: you can have a look at DSForth implementation, if you want to reverse engineer it 14:29:50 <_jorge_> dsforth? is that the russian one for windoze? 14:30:07 Yup, works also for WinCE, all platforms, including ARM 14:30:51 <_jorge_> reverse engineer? doesn't it come with sources? 14:30:56 Nope 14:31:06 It's a commercial one 14:31:26 But... You can have a look at udivmoddi implementation in gcc, can't you? 14:32:08 <_jorge_> yes, but it is too expensive 14:33:08 does the ARM do mod & div at the same time, like intels? 14:33:22 <_jorge_> my arm doesn't have division 14:33:43 oh i see.. hmm, the 68060 doesn't either 14:34:13 <_jorge_> 60? are you on amiga? 14:34:27 you might look at division code for a 6502, 68xx, Z80, etc.. 14:34:46 nope, i was just studying the different cpu's out there 14:36:13 the earlier 68k chips look nice for homebrew projects, being 32-bit without too many pins 14:37:14 <_jorge_> sure they are, and i love them, but i am tied to arm :-) (gameboy advance) 14:37:29 Oh, I've wanted to program them for a long time. Do you have a Forth running on them? 14:37:52 <_jorge_> 68k? f68kans, jaxforth... 14:38:12 <_jorge_> jforth is great on the amiga 14:38:19 <_jorge_> it was ahead of its time 14:39:01 <_jorge_> do u mean arm? 14:39:08 No, GBA 14:39:17 <_jorge_> yes, a hforth port 14:39:41 Cool! You should release it! 14:39:59 <_jorge_> i want to release it as soon as i have time to clean it a bit... 14:40:16 <_jorge_> we are using it daily, it is pretty stable... 14:40:19 Cool! Make sure you let me know, so that I add it on the Open Directory! 14:40:30 <_jorge_> ok 14:40:45 (sam@rfc1149.net, or submit to dmoz.org) 14:40:56 <_jorge_> i also have hforth running with primitives in C (on macosx currently) 14:41:11 <_jorge_> also pending some cleanup 14:41:36 <_jorge_> should be easy to port to anything 14:41:41 If I remember correctly, hforth does have a builtin UM/MOD, but in Forth only 14:41:44 <_jorge_> with a gcc 14:41:50 <_jorge_> yes, it has 14:42:06 <_jorge_> but it sucks for my current speed needs 14:42:35 Can't you really avoid the divide operation? 14:42:53 Or divide only by powers of 2? 14:44:01 <_jorge_> what i want is fast compilation. i have profiled and found um/mod called thousands of times. it was taking 1/3 of compilation time or so... 14:44:22 <_jorge_> the next victim should be the wordlists... i need to implement a hash 14:44:37 UM/MOD used within compilation? Geez, I can't see why... 14:45:00 <_jorge_> let me see... 14:45:35 Another way to speed up compilation is to use preparsed sources (as in Enth/Flux and ColorForth), so that no lookup is needed at compilation time, only at edition time where the target sits almost idle 14:46:11 Oh, ok: it is used in # :( 14:46:16 yeah.. hehe 14:46:47 Each time you print a number, you use that sucker. Should be a better way... 14:47:27 if you wanted to limit BASE to say 8, 10 and 16, you could avoid doing "generic" division 14:47:27 <_jorge_> there's also ALIGNED, but i already defined it as "3 + -4 and" 14:48:10 <_jorge_> yes, but i don't want to modify the compiler too much. i need to get some real work done :-) 14:48:57 <_jorge_> oops 14:49:10 <_jorge_> division is defined as "um/mod nip" 14:49:25 jorge: in i386 hforth, I found the same ALIGNED definition but in "macro" style, [ D# 1 CELLS D# 1 - DUP ] LITERAL + [ INVERT ] LITERAL AND ; 14:50:00 what website does Fractal have? 14:50:04 Yes, and reminder as "um/mod drop". When you have no hardware-assisted um/mod operation, better implement / and mod separately 14:50:10 <_jorge_> which hforth version do you have? 14:50:28 --- quit: tcn () 14:50:34 None: http://homepage.mac.com/forth/eforth/e4.src/EFORTH.HTML 14:51:06 <_jorge_> you said "in 386 hforth", did you mean eforth? 14:51:25 Yes, sorry, eforth 14:51:47 (which is the ancestor of hforth anyway :-) 14:52:57 <_jorge_> Mr. Koh forgot to look at the ALIGNED definition then :-) 14:53:05 :) 14:53:28 Back to real life, see you later guys 14:53:29 --- quit: Chef_ ("[x]chat") 15:03:36 <_jorge_> anyone knows how to define um/mod in terms of sm/rem ? 15:25:40 --- quit: _jorge_ (Remote closed the connection) 15:56:15 * onetom has missed Chef :/ 16:12:23 --- join: Speuler (~l@pD950251E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 18:02:35 --- join: CrowKiller (Forther@Ottawa-HSE-ppp3653339.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 18:02:58 I finished my compiler's core: 35 bytes 18:03:11 I will start writing source code tommorow 18:03:26 i need to code the primitives and all this stuff 18:05:04 less than 100 lines of code, interprets two kind of binary token: Object reference and Object definition, object meaning 32 bit address in flat pmode 18:06:47 only implement dictionary search, truly easy to try things 18:09:30 I think I can't factor much out toward source code 18:14:12 --- nick: cyberlok -> cyberlok-afk 18:35:03 --- quit: Speuler (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18:40:45 --- join: Klaw (chuck@ip68-4-243-214.oc.oc.cox.net) joined #forth 18:40:45 --- quit: Klaw (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:40:52 --- join: Klaw` (chuck@ip68-4-243-214.oc.oc.cox.net) joined #forth 18:40:52 --- quit: Klaw` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:40:56 --- join: Klaw` (chuck@ip68-4-243-214.oc.oc.cox.net) joined #forth 18:40:56 --- quit: Klaw` (Remote closed the connection) 18:41:01 --- join: Klaw` (chuck@ip68-4-243-214.oc.oc.cox.net) joined #forth 18:41:01 --- quit: Klaw` (Broken pipe) 18:41:06 --- 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--- quit: Klaw` (Connection reset by peer) 18:52:32 hmmm well well well ;p 18:52:33 --- join: Klaw` (chuck@ip68-4-243-214.oc.oc.cox.net) joined #forth 18:52:33 --- quit: Klaw` (Remote closed the connection) 18:52:38 --- join: Klaw` (chuck@ip68-4-243-214.oc.oc.cox.net) joined #forth 18:52:38 --- quit: Klaw` (Broken pipe) 18:52:44 --- join: Klaw` (chuck@ip68-4-243-214.oc.oc.cox.net) joined #forth 18:52:44 --- quit: Klaw` (Remote closed the connection) 18:52:48 --- join: Klaw` (chuck@ip68-4-243-214.oc.oc.cox.net) joined #forth 18:52:48 --- quit: Klaw` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:52:51 i got my compiler's inner core to a modest 35 bytes 18:53:00 --- join: Klaw` (chuck@ip68-4-243-214.oc.oc.cox.net) joined #forth 18:53:00 --- quit: Klaw` (Connection reset by peer) 18:53:08 --- join: Klaw` (chuck@ip68-4-243-214.oc.oc.cox.net) joined #forth 18:53:08 --- quit: Klaw` (Remote closed the connection) 18:53:12 --- join: Klaw` (chuck@ip68-4-243-214.oc.oc.cox.net) joined #forth 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I almost never have such experience with banning...guess I should practice more by going to Dalnet and banning jerks ;) 19:06:57 hehe 19:07:02 usually 19:07:15 nick!*@*.isp works 19:07:24 unless they are tring to flood 19:07:31 then you just +i the channel 19:07:53 <- recovering EFnet user ;) 19:08:44 * TheBlueWizard finetunes the autokick list...it now just autokick Klaw`!*@* :) 19:12:00 * TheBlueWizard smiles...though he never have really hang out on EFNet 19:14:56 --- mode: TheBlueWizard set -b *!*@*.oc.oc.cox.net 19:17:53 ok...gotta go now...at least I done something positive here ;) 19:17:55 bye all 19:18:07 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 19:29:02 --- join: njd (junk@njd.paradise.net.nz) joined #forth 19:40:14 --- quit: CrowKiller ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 20:12:46 --- join: djones (~djones@adsl-154-9-22.asm.bellsouth.net) joined #forth 20:49:12 --- quit: skylan ("O_O") 20:50:35 --- join: skylan (sjh@207.164.213.43) joined #forth 20:59:43 --- quit: djones ("Client Exiting") 21:09:30 --- quit: Robert (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21:09:30 --- quit: skylan (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21:12:43 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 21:12:43 --- join: skylan (sjh@207.164.213.43) joined #forth 21:12:43 --- join: Robert (~Robert@robost86.tsps1.freenet6.net) joined #forth 21:13:32 --- quit: Robert (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21:13:32 --- quit: proteusguy (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21:13:32 --- quit: skylan (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21:13:33 --- quit: onetom (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21:13:33 --- quit: ChanServ (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21:13:33 --- quit: dmiles (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21:13:33 --- quit: Fractal (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21:13:33 --- quit: air (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21:13:41 --- join: ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) joined #forth 21:13:41 --- join: Robert (~Robert@robost86.tsps1.freenet6.net) joined #forth 21:13:41 --- join: skylan (sjh@207.164.213.43) joined #forth 21:13:41 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 21:13:41 --- join: air (~cria-user@12-254-199-50.client.attbi.com) joined #forth 21:13:41 --- join: onetom (~tom@novtan.bio.u-szeged.hu) joined #forth 21:13:41 --- join: dmiles (logicmoo@12-225-195-245.client.attbi.com) joined #forth 21:13:41 --- join: Fractal (rrwy@h24-77-171-228.ok.shawcable.net) joined #forth 21:13:41 --- mode: card.freenode.net set +o ChanServ 21:38:07 --- quit: Robert (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21:38:07 --- quit: proteusguy (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21:38:07 --- quit: skylan (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21:38:44 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 21:38:44 --- join: skylan (sjh@207.164.213.43) joined #forth 21:38:44 --- join: Robert (~Robert@robost86.tsps1.freenet6.net) joined #forth 21:44:22 --- quit: Robert (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21:44:22 --- quit: proteusguy (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21:44:22 --- quit: skylan (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21:44:40 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 21:44:40 --- join: skylan (sjh@207.164.213.43) joined #forth 21:44:40 --- join: Robert (~Robert@robost86.tsps1.freenet6.net) joined #forth 21:48:24 --- quit: Robert (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21:48:24 --- quit: proteusguy (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21:48:24 --- quit: skylan (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21:48:35 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 21:48:35 --- join: skylan (sjh@207.164.213.43) joined #forth 21:48:35 --- join: Robert (~Robert@robost86.tsps1.freenet6.net) joined #forth 22:00:24 --- quit: njd (Remote closed the connection) 22:05:12 --- quit: proteusguy (Connection timed out) 22:06:39 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 22:06:40 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23:23:40 --- join: Soap` (~flop@202-0-42-22.cable.paradise.net.nz) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/02.09.22