00:00:00 --- log: started forth/02.09.20 01:30:20 --- quit: onetom (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01:31:10 --- join: onetom (~tom@novtan.bio.u-szeged.hu) joined #forth 01:32:12 Hey onetom. 01:32:59 hi 01:33:09 twas just a netsplit 01:33:11 Wanna see the latest version of my forth? 01:33:14 Oh... 01:33:18 oh, sure 01:33:24 I've written a pong game in it. :) 01:33:44 but im workin now, so i can promise i can test it immediately 01:33:47 wow 01:33:51 let me c! 01:34:00 Heh. 01:34:08 Colour, AI, the works. :) 01:35:11 www.hcsw.org/newforth.tar.gz 01:35:39 pong.fs is automatically included in init.fs, just run the word pong 01:36:43 I'm just working on the documentation right now, but I'll do a full release soon. 01:37:18 k 01:38:24 Also, adding primitives is a snap now. You just add 1 line and your function into extprims.c 01:39:44 hey: tar: newforth/pong.fs: time stamp 2027-05-08 00:33:27 is 777218033 s in the future 01:39:55 Yeah, I know. My laptop's time is fucked up. 01:40:01 I never bother to set it. :( 01:40:22 When I do a full release, I'll do it with the correct time. :) 01:41:10 cooool 01:41:15 Heh. You like? 01:41:35 a lot! 01:41:42 :) 01:42:00 I like how you can have computer vs. computer. 01:43:46 So, it's a fairly complete forth system, I think. 01:47:06 mmm mmm 01:47:07 padwidth @ 2/ 80 padwidth @ 2/ - 01:47:29 padwidth @ 2/ 80 over - 01:47:53 Good thinking. 01:48:30 Done. 01:48:44 --- quit: Soap` (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01:51:03 and u should factorize the whole thing much more in general 01:51:42 Maybe. I think this is reasonably factored. 01:51:50 It could be better, for sure. 01:52:08 reasonably, sure, but not well ;) 01:52:24 One thing though: 1aiproc and 2aiproc are exactly the same code. What a waste. 01:52:28 I'll fix that soon. 01:53:05 grep padwidth pong.fs 01:53:34 u always (except some occasions) use the half of it 01:53:50 Good point. 01:53:57 and u never write 2 it 01:54:09 anyone play with tinylogin on here before? 01:54:12 so its better 2 use a constant in this case 01:54:49 like: 10 const pad/2 ( half of the width of the pad) 01:54:53 or pw/2 01:55:05 Good point. 01:55:42 u also all the time repeat VAR @ 01:55:52 use dup or over instead 01:56:13 and dont defer operations 01:56:33 brb 01:57:11 OK 02:52:38 onetom : I'm off. Bye. 03:02:56 bye 04:09:23 --- join: cleverdra (julianf@0-1pool37-164.nas2.florence1.sc.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 04:51:26 --- join: sif (~sifforth@ip68-9-58-75.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 04:51:26 Type sif: (or /msg sif to play in private) 05:07:27 Hello, all. 06:11:33 --- join: ASau (ASau@158.250.48.197) joined #forth 06:11:45 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@wsip68-15-54-54.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 06:11:47 --- join: tathi (~josh@wsip68-15-54-54.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 06:14:26 Hey. 06:15:07 hey 06:15:39 Hello! 06:16:10 Robert, how does your floating point live? 06:16:22 I used GForth :-) 06:16:24 Point floats? ;) 06:16:57 For some reason, my gravity simulator thinks the moon should need a few hours more to get around the earth than it really does :-/ 06:17:09 Hmm. 06:17:20 Do you count earth rotation? 06:17:29 No. 06:17:35 Ha! 06:17:50 That is 1 hr deviation, IIRC. 06:18:08 Do you know how the english word for "Tjeckoslovakien" is spelled? 06:18:10 Hm. 06:18:46 Czechoslovakien, or smth. like 06:19:18 Nasty spelling. 06:19:34 btw.. when I checked, the fault is only about 2 hours. 06:19:48 What does the earth rotation do? 06:20:14 Czechoslovakian 06:21:26 Is the name of the country Czechoslovakia or Czechoslovakian? 06:21:44 There're 2 countries now. 06:21:56 Yes, but this is a history text 06:22:02 ASau: I'm not THAT far behind my time! 06:22:09 Robert - the first one. 06:22:15 * ASau reads www.gov.cz 06:22:39 In swedish, it's Tjeckoslovakien (the last -en is an ending that's used instead of a "the" before). 06:22:40 Thanks, 06:44:19 --- join: Serg_penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 06:44:28 hi 06:54:26 what is that extra O in it? we spell it csehszlovákia in hungarian 06:55:04 onetom: americans have trouble pronouncing that many consonants in a row :) 06:55:16 Hehe. 06:55:49 tathi: well.. 06:57:01 cheslovakian would b the appropriate spelling if an american wanna utter it after the spelling 06:57:53 tcekslovaki,an - lojban phonology. 06:58:21 tho it is an agglutination of the words czech & slovakian 06:59:24 but the -ch is uttered as -k 06:59:41 chehoslovakiya -- russ.pron. 06:59:48 and k beside s becomes simply s 07:00:19 ASau: hmmm.. there is also that extra O :) k , i give up 07:00:30 only the hungarian is so tricky ;) 07:00:39 I've heard Americans pronounce the O. 07:00:55 It is like concatenated words. 07:02:04 Cheh -- a man from Czeckia, Slovak -- from Slovakia 07:02:16 `o' - is a terminator 07:02:30 ah. Part of the syntax? 07:02:55 No, just a way to combine 2 words in one. 07:03:11 --- quit: Serg_penguin () 07:03:33 if there is a ..... collision 07:03:59 mássalhangzó 07:04:01 Slavic languages are even more unreadable than Forth is :-) 07:04:02 Lojban has such, but it uses 'r' and 'y' 07:05:04 "á" is shown as Cyr. "b" 07:05:14 What is it in origin? 07:05:48 a with an aigu, using poorly-spelled French terminology. 07:05:57 a' 07:06:02 bbl 07:06:12 Robert: Slavic languages use more characters than Roman. 07:06:32 That is why they are more unreadable in latin transliteration. 07:15:29 Heh. 07:15:35 They're not even readable in cyrilic :) 07:20:11 Ha. They're pretty readable, when right-written. 07:28:04 --- join: Speuler (~l@p3E9B8EC5.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 08:14:53 Hello. 08:22:29 hi rob 08:22:39 --- quit: skylan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08:23:51 --- join: skylan (~sjh@Riverview11.tbaytel.net) joined #forth 09:00:51 --- join: I440r (~mark4@1Cust23.tnt3.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #forth 09:04:54 --- quit: ASau () 09:07:10 Senator McForthy fights for an America without C coders in the government! 09:26:11 yes! 09:26:15 he gets my vote! 09:26:52 lol whgere is thin, he is supposed to be collecting quotes like that one from clogs logs heh 09:27:40 Heh. 09:28:53 Well, that just demonstrates how fucked up my brain gets when I'm coding forth and writing about americsn history :-) 09:29:27 Hrm... damn lag. 09:30:03 My internal network lags by minutes :-/ 09:31:41 lol 09:32:13 of corse, once we have removed c coders from government we will have to remove them from everywhere else too! 09:32:21 Yup. 09:32:36 The world's C lovers should fear us. 09:32:53 "Are you, or have you ever been a member of a C loving party?" 09:33:00 :) 09:33:02 lol 09:34:31 btw, I wrote a cute little gravity simulator in Forth :) 09:34:43 It's hell of a lot easier to play with two stacks than with one :P 09:35:00 (Thinking of floating-point) 09:35:44 Only problem is that it thinks it takes about 27 days and 11 hours for the moon to orbit around the earth... 09:35:57 NASA says I'm wrong :P 09:36:38 All the data has ~4 correct decimals, the answer only two. 09:36:48 I don't like that :-/ 09:37:47 lol 09:38:34 Any idea what might be wrong? Someone said something about earth rotation... 09:39:02 Also, do you know any page with the most accurate astronomical data known to science? 09:39:17 (e.g. earth mass, velocity in orbit etc.) 09:39:46 no idea 09:45:43 Bleh. 09:45:53 You should teach me astrophysics! 09:46:23 I'm thinking about trying to write that BASIC intepreter in Forth instead. 09:46:28 :) 09:46:32 Just to train my lousy forth skills. 09:46:36 factor better 09:46:39 remember that! 09:46:41 Hehe, yeah... 09:46:56 Now I finally have memory managment in IsForth. 09:47:01 Hrm. 09:47:15 You don't happen to have any list of the file I/O words? 09:47:16 lol 09:47:28 (Used in IsForth, that is) 09:47:34 yea 09:47:36 :P 09:47:39 Hehe, just these? 09:47:51 what more do you want ? 09:48:14 Well... no idea. How would I read in a charachter string from stdin? 09:48:32 would be a good idea ;-) 09:51:00 I just need some way to input strings. 09:52:26 you have close :P 09:52:38 string input ? 09:52:44 STRING input ?????????????? 09:52:47 jeesh :P 09:54:36 Heh. 09:54:38 What? :) 09:54:52 I want to make an expression parser. 09:55:12 lol 09:55:16 And...er...well, using the Forth's internal buffer might be enough. 09:55:25 Just tell me some way to do it :) 09:55:30 ill be adding string handling stuff but its not a priority right now 09:55:35 actually nothing is right now lol 09:55:43 Heh! 09:55:58 You got a nice, colored logo, but no string handling? 09:56:23 :) 09:57:48 Awww... 09:58:03 I guess "key" is the way to approach this then :P 09:59:58 ? 10:00:04 oh 10:00:08 well, maybe 10:00:18 but key only reads from stdin 10:01:04 I440r - traditionally, KEY may be redirected. 10:02:32 I440r: do you have WORD? 10:02:32 cleverdra yes. its a defered word 10:02:48 i have word yes 10:02:56 bl word 10:03:15 : ( ')' word 2drop ; 10:03:21 --- quit: XeF4 ("pois") 10:03:24 erm, i think its a 2drop heh 10:04:03 gforth gives you pascal string (pointer to count&bytes) 10:04:11 (WORD in gforth) 10:04:29 but, in my cheezy forth I made it return addr u 10:04:34 I440r: It's stdin I want anyway... I'll use for files/sockets. 10:04:48 Robert: use KEY :) 10:05:01 That's what I said I'll be doing, heh. 10:05:31 I440r: what do you think of having an address register in forth (like chucks colorforth and others) 10:05:36 rite 10:05:59 ok, which register do you want to use for addresses :P 10:06:38 I440r: I don't care. are you out of registers?? 10:07:17 very probably 10:07:29 eax, ebx, ecx and edx are spoken for 10:07:34 don't you have about 30? 10:07:37 esi and ebp also 10:07:38 x86 in messed up 10:07:57 edi could be used but its a spare general register and also used by string words 10:09:40 --- quit: cleverdra (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:11:30 --- join: cleverdra (julianf@0-1pool37-164.nas2.florence1.sc.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 10:16:52 --- quit: Speuler ("from doin a global 'ps' and only 'ps' to see what his current progs that are running?") 10:37:04 who here is running fbsd ? 10:38:15 I440r - why do you ask? 10:39:59 need someone to brandelf a file to linux and extract teh program header and dcc it to me 10:58:07 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 11:07:15 tornados only go for trailer parks 11:07:15 everyone knows that 11:38:41 :D 11:38:54 I bet he's a metrology professor. 11:39:07 lol 11:39:16 That's why you're hit by so many tornados. 11:39:26 Your metrologies are incompetent. 11:39:45 (metrologists* I think) 11:55:51 --- quit: skylan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:55:53 --- join: skylan (sjh@Rockcliffe12.tbaytel.net) joined #forth 12:03:42 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:04:07 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 12:06:45 --- join: I440r_ (~mark4@1Cust10.tnt2.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #forth 12:11:34 Hey... 12:11:46 I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong... 12:15:13 The apogee distance is 0.1% wrong, too :-/ 12:15:39 Perhaps you've discovered a bug in reality? 12:16:31 Are you coding a rocket? 12:18:20 cleverdra: Probably. 12:18:45 proteusguy: Yes, since yesterday I'm the chief of NASA. 12:19:10 (It's the moon I'm talking about) 12:19:21 Someone said something about that I have to count with earth's rotation. 12:19:25 Any ideas? 12:19:29 anyone here play a lot with cvs? 12:19:36 cyberlok - why? 12:19:57 I got this problem (I also have never uploaded to a cvs) 12:20:04 cvs server: cannot open /root/cvs/CVSROOT/config: Not a directory 12:20:07 from 12:20:15 export CVSROOT=cyberlok@cvs.serverdisk.sourceforge.net:/root/cvs 12:20:20 cvs import serverdisk vendor start 12:21:41 ideas? 12:21:50 i have read the man pae 12:22:00 you did create the repository first, right? 12:22:44 I thought that is what import does 12:23:18 no, the repository has to exist 12:23:24 import adds a "project" or something 12:23:31 hmmm 12:23:32 http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/ 12:23:54 but sourceforge should make a repository already for you on thier server right? 12:23:59 Robert - good luck - I don't have any of my old orbit prediction resources here any more... wonder where they went? Sounds like a fun project. 12:24:12 oh. hmmm. 12:24:34 --- quit: I440r (No route to host) 12:25:00 I get these errors on my machine 12:25:01 proteusguy: :) 12:25:25 cvs server: cannot open /root/cvs/CVSROOT/config: Not a directory 12:25:34 Cannot access /root/cvs/CVSROOT 12:25:39 Not a directory 12:25:51 hmmm 12:25:51 cd to /root/cvs 12:25:54 and ls -al 12:26:01 you might need to chmod CVSROOT heh 12:26:23 drwxr-sr-x 4 root root 4096 Sep 20 13:02 serverdisk 12:26:30 there is no CVSROOT 12:26:35 it should create it right? 12:26:37 aha 12:26:38 lol 12:26:42 that explains it heh 12:26:45 hah 12:26:58 i dunno cvs, i abandoned using cvs, its way too bloated and complex 12:27:15 thats what I am thinking but sourceforge wants it :( 12:27:34 but I have made a CVSROOT directory 12:27:38 and still no love 12:27:45 documentation on sourceforge says you want :/cvsroot/yourproject 12:27:56 you sure you got the directory right? 12:28:53 I440r_: so are you using any kind of version control thingy? 12:29:09 yes im using prcs 12:29:13 its alot easier to manage 12:29:27 those who can do - do. those who cant do MANAGE 12:29:34 heh 12:29:57 i cant manage :P 12:30:02 tathi yeah I switched it to how THEY want it 12:30:08 and I "think" it worked 12:31:10 cool 12:31:45 if you haven't already seen that cvs book...I remember that being very useful when I first started using CVS... 12:35:44 problem with buying linux books is that by the time they are published they are so far out of date as to be next to useless 12:35:58 damned developers in linux keep moving the goal posts on you hhe 12:36:30 Nah, it's available in info 12:36:39 I also don't know that CVS has changed much... 12:36:51 it hasnt :P 12:36:58 i was just being a cynic :P 12:37:09 I agree with you generally 12:37:18 haven't bought any programming books in years :) 12:38:59 programming books are generally worthless. There are a few though, which makes a trip through the 'computer' section most annoying. 12:40:35 most computer section books are on "how to use microsofth thisorthat" 12:42:25 well, if you consider 'computer section' books instead of 'programming books', you get piles of HTML, DHTML, XML, &c. Also many Perl, Java, C++ books. 12:44:40 (there are some good books on design amognst the Java, and some good Perl reference books amognst the Perl, and the occasional CSy C++ book) 12:45:09 I bought a book on Neural Nets, which happened to have C++ code. Too bad that the authors couldn't find a native english speaker to proofread. 12:45:34 (not spelling or grammatical errors; maybe they just don't know how to utter a clear English sentence) 12:55:31 :) 13:01:19 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:01:34 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 13:40:16 --- quit: proteusguy ("Client Exiting") 13:43:12 --- quit: skylan ("Reconnecting") 13:43:21 --- join: skylan (sjh@Rockcliffe74.tbaytel.net) joined #forth 13:46:47 --- quit: cleverdra (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:53:57 --- quit: sif (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13:53:57 --- quit: cyberlok (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 13:53:57 --- quit: Fractal (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14:04:05 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 14:04:50 --- join: thin (thin@h24-66-221-120.cg.shawcable.net) joined #forth 14:09:32 so anybody here familiar with colorforth? 14:09:39 anybody familiar with the assembly code for it? 14:10:26 lol 14:10:36 i didnt think ther was any 14:10:44 hm? 14:10:52 have you never downloaded chuck moore's colorforth ? 14:10:56 it comes with color.asm 14:11:03 thin: I don't know the assembly, I know something about how it works though. and tathi knows more than I 14:11:04 thin check the logs, thers a quote in there today that i want you to extract for that list of channel quotes you ARE working on :P 14:11:45 thin: why do u ask? 14:11:47 herkamire: i heard that chuck moore's colorforth implemented a machineforth virtual machine 14:11:50 is this true? 14:11:56 bah, still!? 14:12:07 k, let me see 14:12:14 what src do u have? 14:12:18 color.asm 14:12:25 & why is it interesting? 14:12:30 send it! 14:12:35 by dcc 14:12:38 get it from www.colorforth.com 14:12:54 im dog tired.. 14:13:04 i want to implement a machineforth implementation in dos 14:13:11 but if chuck moore's already done that with colorforth 14:13:14 then maybe i should use his 14:13:33 jeff also wrote a machine 4th 14:13:42 hmm so 2 say simulator 14:13:50 i can dig it 4 ya 14:13:58 it must b usable 14:14:46 i don't want a simulator 14:14:48 just an implementation 14:15:02 implementation is the same thing as a virtual machine 14:15:11 implementing a forth implements the forth virtual machine 14:15:17 because forth is the language of an architecture 14:15:18 .. 14:15:20 man 14:15:32 we need better terminology don't we? 14:25:41 no we dont need 14:26:12 the virtual machine implementation is a simulator 14:28:47 Good evening, gentlemen. 14:29:59 onetom: isforth is a forth virtual machine 14:30:11 ANY forth is a virtual machine of forth 14:30:18 a simulator is different 14:30:25 or is it? ;) 14:30:30 I've written a simulator for a kind of machine forth. 14:30:38 in forth? 14:30:40 Soon I'll implement a Forth for it. 14:30:50 No, the Linux debugger is in asm/C. 14:31:04 thin: it isnt different, ithink 14:31:11 I will however implement a portable simulator. 14:31:19 "portable" 14:31:19 Possibly in Forth, but more likley in C. 14:31:20 hah 14:31:21 thin: define simulator 14:32:26 thin: btw, i talked 2 jeff nowdays and he said he liked the futhin nick better than ur actual thin.. 14:32:47 onetom: lol!!! are you serious? 14:32:51 Hah! 14:32:56 sure sure 14:33:08 i was talkin 2 him in private 14:34:51 gimme log 14:34:59 cut'n'paste the discussion ;P 14:38:37 onetom: very few people have complained about my nick change 14:38:46 unlike my other nick changes 14:38:52 so i take it as a good sign 14:40:21 * onetom is assembling a fake log 4 futhin >;D 14:41:56 heheh 14:42:31 onetom, do you like rubber? 14:42:39 yes i do! 14:42:45 heh 14:42:53 rubber could mean anything 14:43:26 ;) 14:49:13 im complaining about your nick change :P 14:49:15 bish! 14:51:54 thin: sorry 4 pullin ur leg. im just in the mood :) 14:54:17 Bwahahaha. 14:54:30 Hm. 14:54:51 You're a little bit strange. 14:55:46 i440r_ 14:55:46 09:07:10 Senator McForthy fights for an America without C coders in the government! 14:55:46 09:26:11 yes! 14:55:46 09:26:15 he gets my vote! 14:55:50 how is that a quote ?? 14:56:14 * thin is willing to bet there's only 5 to 10 good quotes in ALL of the forth logs 14:56:39 well go get em :P 14:57:07 maybe there's only 1 or 2 good quotes !! 14:57:10 Heh. 15:03:46 --- quit: Herkamire ("leaving") 15:50:32 --- join: cyberlok (CyberLOK@cyberlok.no-ip.com) joined #forth 15:53:31 Hi there. 15:53:32 Heh. 15:53:44 How do you set a no-ip reverse DNS? 15:54:00 Using ipv6? 16:00:32 --- join: Fractal (rrwy@h24-77-171-228.ok.shawcable.net) joined #forth 16:04:31 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@ip68-9-58-75.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 16:05:20 Hi, Fractal and Herkamire. 16:20:02 Fractal: hey! whats up w ur4th? 16:20:33 thin: have ya seen Fractals 4th? and his pong game? 16:23:03 --- join: Chef_ (~sam@m222.net81-65-249.noos.fr) joined #forth 16:23:51 --- quit: Chef_ (Client Quit) 16:26:37 arth i wanted to talk with him lol 16:41:28 --- join: tcn (tcn@tc3-login39.megatrondata.com) joined #forth 16:43:21 slow day, huh? 16:43:27 yeah 16:43:30 its weekend 16:43:43 btw, hi :) 16:43:53 yeah, hi :) 16:44:32 the air's too filthy to go out today 16:44:36 "blue skies laughing @ me, noting but blue skies do i c" 16:44:47 ragweed, mold, & smog of course :) 16:44:52 im listenin 2 this song in ~10variations 16:45:37 ~10 is 20 exactly 16:46:36 doesn't sound familiar 16:47:21 ive heard it in some film i think or 16:47:29 a net radio 16:47:54 ah, yes, now i remember, it was jazzradio.com or jazzradio.hu 16:48:23 and ive collected all the available versions of it 17:01:13 i'm too tired for this 17:01:16 see ya 17:02:49 --- quit: tcn () 17:09:55 thin: http://ultratechnology.com/mf.txt 17:10:23 thats what i was looking 4 (on 1 side) 17:10:41 eg the http://ultratechnology.com/p21forth.html page refers 2 it 17:10:51 () 17:11:00 (as Chuck Moore's original MuP21 Machine Forth) 17:22:09 --- quit: Herkamire ("I wonder what this button does...") 17:39:57 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@ip68-9-58-75.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 18:52:50 --- quit: Klaw` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:09:50 --- join: Klaw` (chuck@ip68-4-243-214.oc.oc.cox.net) joined #forth 19:11:10 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@ip-216-25-202-115.vienna.va.fcc.net) joined #forth 19:11:15 hiya all 19:35:05 hi 19:35:10 i just emailed paul vixie 19:35:23 hiya I440r_!!! who's paul vixie? 19:35:35 wrote vixie cron 19:35:39 maintains the RBL 19:35:46 a blacklist of open relays 19:36:07 most isp's keep a copy of the RBL and firewall any IP specified in the list 19:36:30 ah I see (though I don't know much about it :) 19:36:31 so if your an open email relay (will relay for anyone) your gona be blocked eventually 19:40:45 i suggested he also block spyware companies 19:40:55 not just the company but the entier isp hosting them 19:41:21 ANY block of IP's related to or connected with spyware, all firewalled to hell and back 19:41:43 i also gave some very good (i think) arguements as to why this should be done 19:42:07 interesting proposal....are you suspecting spycoms (the ones making spywares) are collecting email addresses for spamming? 19:42:41 hell yes 19:43:08 mmhmm....! care to email me your copy? :) 19:43:12 if i brows teh web i get 15 or 20 spams related to sites i visited the next day 19:43:17 my copy of what ? 19:43:30 of the email i wrote ? 19:43:33 the proposal that you just sent to Paul Vixie 19:43:40 sure whats ur address again ? 19:44:23 thebluewizard AT nospam-pressroom.com (edit out the obvious ;) 19:44:54 * TheBlueWizard is aware that clog is logging everything, including his obscenities ;) 19:47:27 hehe 19:47:51 sent 19:48:25 there are a whole slwe of arguements that i didnt state in that email simply because i didnt think of them at teh time 19:48:57 * TheBlueWizard counts...one...two...three...ding! got it! 19:50:11 TBW's Law of Oh-Darn-It: "The best arguments are the ones that came after you made your arguments" :) 19:57:07 I like what you wrote there! 20:00:49 I440r_: how do the sites find your e-mail address? does the browser tell them? 20:02:15 Herkamire: there are zillions of ways to get email addresses....scanning thru UseNet, webpages, whatever... 20:04:27 TheBlueWizard: I know. but I440r_ said that he got them after browsing. I was wondering how the sites he visited found his address. 20:08:24 ah...he made a discovery that his win box has a spyware, which he rightly label them as corporate cartel-sanctioned virus, which collects various stuff, email addresses maybe, off his box...so he proposed to Paul Vixie to set up a separate list to block those spyware companies and the ISPs that host them 20:08:39 his email discussed that 20:11:08 I would suggest that another choice is to set up the list on another website, since many companies pay Paul a lot of respect and should Paul decide to take upon I440r_'s suggestion, he would get less respect since he will in effect start stepping on companies' toes.... :-P Internet is pretty much a war zone nowadays 20:16:23 is Internet Exploder spyware? 20:17:10 hehe....possibly! :) 20:18:13 though I think it's a very mild variety compared with the *real* spywares floating around 20:24:48 well, gotta go...bye all! 20:25:19 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 20:26:26 --- 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