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02:30:17 <Speuler> hi
02:32:30 <Speuler> #debian
02:32:48 <Speuler> oops
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05:09:19 <sif> Type sif: <forth code here> (or /msg sif <forth code here> to play in private)
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05:22:56 <Serg_penguin> hi
05:24:07 <Serg_penguin> he-e-e-e-ey !
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05:42:19 <ayrnieu> hi, Serg =)
05:42:37 <Serg_penguin> who u are ?
05:42:44 <ayrnieu> I'm cleverdra.
05:42:56 <ayrnieu> ('cleverdra' is a ghost)
05:43:13 <Serg_penguin> ok
05:43:21 <Serg_penguin> i gotta run aft 15 mins
05:43:37 <Serg_penguin> have read 'ihave no words... in RU - good
05:44:04 <ayrnieu> Steep.
05:44:20 <Serg_penguin> steep ??
05:44:41 <ayrnieu> Isn't that the Russian idiom for 'cool'?
05:45:23 <Serg_penguin> ah, yes
05:45:57 <Serg_penguin> not in my active vocabulary
05:46:27 <ayrnieu> hah, OK.
05:46:59 <Serg_penguin> about ghosts - i set up my MIRC to kick my ghost
05:47:18 <ayrnieu> I can't kick my ghost, because I don't know my password.
05:47:27 * ayrnieu dislikes nickserv, anyway.
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05:48:14 <Serg_penguin> i didnot like it too, but set up once - works all time
05:48:25 * cleverdra nods.
05:48:46 <cleverdra> Eventually my nick will be purged, perhaps, and I can get a second chance at remembering the password.
05:49:18 * Serg_penguin considers lame sending unencrypted passwd's
05:49:44 <Serg_penguin> and storing them in configs
05:49:59 <cleverdra> whatever this is about, it's not about security =)
05:50:28 <Serg_penguin> what else may i read on game design ?
05:50:57 <cleverdra> hm, that's the best that comes to mind.  Let me look around real quick.
05:51:16 <Serg_penguin> n/mind, i'd better do it myself
05:51:39 <cleverdra> OK.
05:52:22 <Serg_penguin> if u got some list/favorites, u may send, but dunno put much work in it
05:52:41 <cleverdra> Actually I'm looking for something specific.
05:52:57 <Serg_penguin> i gotta some dreams , but how to turn 'em in a good design document ?
05:53:30 <cleverdra> ..but someone has replaced it with a stupid IIS default-page.
05:53:50 <cleverdra> Serg - depends, I suppose, on the manner and structure of your dreams =)
05:54:15 <Serg_penguin> i wanna make game COOL for ones like we, NOT for average vidiot
05:54:28 <Serg_penguin> structure ?
05:54:30 <cleverdra> Ever played empire?
05:54:40 <Serg_penguin> no
05:54:58 <Serg_penguin> what's it ?
05:55:21 <cleverdra> http://www.empire.cx/
05:55:24 <cleverdra> also rec.games.empire
05:56:16 <cleverdra> Not exactly the kind of game you're talking about; some empire games have 'turns' that last a week.
05:56:41 <Serg_penguin> too damn long
05:56:48 <Serg_penguin> few minutes are too long
05:56:49 <cleverdra> So don't play those games =)
05:57:10 <cleverdra> no, in this game, fifteen minutes (in a 'blitz' game that only lasts a day) is too-damn short.
05:57:12 <Serg_penguin> sokoban or blitz chess - good 4 me
05:57:20 <cleverdra> *very* fun game =) ... but OK.
05:57:27 <Serg_penguin> i mean playing speed
05:58:28 <Serg_penguin> hang 10 feet pendulum to celling, kick it and play move per its swing....
05:59:17 <Serg_penguin> in Gorky-17 i wasted minutes for 1 move - too long
05:59:47 <cleverdra> Gorky-17?
06:00:03 <Serg_penguin> my former girlfriend had special hook in ceiling for this
06:00:26 <Serg_penguin> tech RPG, turn-based combat
06:00:41 <cleverdra> There's something appealing about the pendulum =) but why don't you just use a clock?
06:01:15 <Serg_penguin> in Tolkien-like looking room ???? ha-ha !
06:01:33 <cleverdra> Oh =)
06:02:03 <Serg_penguin> i gotta run like hell... BYE !
06:02:07 <cleverdra> Bye
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09:44:09 * cleverdra ponders Joy.
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10:04:06 <cleverdra> I440r - what's new in 1.09?
10:04:08 <I440r> ?
10:04:12 <I440r> lol
10:04:17 <I440r> you guys are all slow! heh
10:04:22 <I440r> i added memory managment
10:04:25 <I440r> alloc and free anyway
10:04:28 <I440r> no realloc yet
10:04:38 <I440r> i also added my text user interface code
10:04:53 <I440r> i made changes to the way structures work for the tui code but im going to change it back
10:05:06 <I440r> it simplified the windowing shit but made everything else more complex
10:05:26 <cleverdra> Indeed.
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13:06:23 <Robert> Hi, proteus.
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13:23:19 <proteus> Hey Robert - how goes it?
13:35:14 <Robert> Fine :)
13:36:09 <proteus> Got that AtMel running?
13:39:31 <Robert> Sure, a long time ago ;)
13:39:51 <Robert> Been ill the last few days, but I'll start coding stuff for it soon.
13:41:16 <proteus> Sorry to hear you've been sick. Hope you're better. Keep me informed of how the coding comes along. I'm hoping some time will free up for me to get back into the stuff myself.
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13:57:39 <onetom> http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/mply2002.zip
13:57:57 <onetom> if some1 is interested in a ... hmm..
13:58:20 <onetom> weired "high level" asm program
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14:00:59 <tcn> hm
14:01:06 <tcn> hi kitaniin
14:01:48 <Kitanin> Hey.
14:02:41 * Kitanin tries to make freenode ping his IRC connection so it stays up...
14:03:52 <tcn> is that an mpeg player?
14:04:57 <tcn> looks like a decent "high level asm" syntax
14:05:41 <Kitanin> ???
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14:13:14 <tcn> one of onetom's things
14:13:29 <tcn> <onetom> http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/mply2002.zip
14:22:50 <onetom> öööö, its not mine, "just" the creation of some other talented hungarians ;)
14:25:58 <tcn> so it really plays mpegs?
14:26:51 <onetom> noooh, its not like that
14:27:07 <onetom> its just a filter, but i dont know how does it work
14:27:23 <onetom> i dont have dos here around
14:27:37 <tcn> what's its input?
14:27:59 <onetom> dont know, but not that is the point
14:28:05 <onetom> just the language
14:29:53 <tcn> yeah.. maybe i should be writing mine like that
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14:32:38 <tcn> well I only see bios 13 and 3 in there so I guess it's not doing video
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14:33:59 <Robert> Good night, forthers!
14:34:17 <Robert> I'll check out the new IsForth soon,  I440r  :)
14:34:20 <I440r> i got some fucking spyware installed and i cant get rid of teh fucking shit
14:34:42 <I440r> its a fuckikng virus and if i find out who put it there, who made it and all taht im going to SUE the fucking cunts
14:34:52 <Robert> Haha! :)
14:35:14 <Robert> Does it make 30 porn ads pop up every minute?
14:36:25 <I440r> no, its S P Y ware
14:36:44 <I440r> it reports where i go and what i do 
14:37:55 <onetom> yeah, sure, sure, its the hungarian version of the big brother ;)
14:39:55 <tcn> there's a program called Ad-aware that's supposed to search & destroy spyware
14:41:46 <Robert> Let's write spyware in Forth.
14:42:13 * Robert goes to bed.
14:44:31 <tcn> heh.. it found a bunch of doubleclick cookies and crap, but no running spyware
14:45:56 <tcn> one of 'em was in Eudora which we don't use
14:48:51 <I440r> i have two different spyware killsers installed
14:56:40 <I440r> its gator
14:56:46 <I440r> fucking pile of shit
14:56:49 <I440r> ive found where its executables are
14:56:58 <I440r> i need to find out which package installed it now
14:57:03 <I440r> then im going for legal advice
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15:07:50 <tcn> http://www.cexx.org/gator.htm
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15:35:23 <tcn> wow.. Xircon does suck.
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18:42:46 <TheBlueWizard> hiya all
18:44:40 <tathi> hey hey TBW
18:45:01 <TheBlueWizard> hiya tathi :)
18:45:07 <tathi> what's going on?
18:45:15 * I440r downloading "swatit" to get rid of ad/spy-ware
18:45:47 <tathi> :)
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18:48:28 <Herkamire> hi all
18:49:11 * TheBlueWizard is currently asking a question about GPL 2 in #debian :)
18:50:00 * tathi is currently making loops work in his colorforth...fun stuff :)
18:50:39 * Herkamire is currently sitting on his ass :-|
18:50:56 <TheBlueWizard> lol
18:51:07 <TheBlueWizard> hiya I440r :) :) :)
18:55:18 <I440r> hi :)
18:55:32 <I440r> i gtg to store in a minute, swatit is scanning for trohjans rite now tho
18:56:25 <Herkamire> I440r: are you using some insecure OS?
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19:28:08 <TheBlueWizard> hiya I440r_ the clone! :)
19:34:56 <bwb> tathi: you modify colorforth so you could use it?
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19:52:02 <Herkamire> bwb: tathi is writing a colorforth for PPC
19:52:13 <TheBlueWizard> cool
19:52:25 <Herkamire> it works just great :) I just tried it. it doesn't have a lot of words yet, but I did a loop that printed out characters :)
19:52:57 <Herkamire> sif: : test 10 0 do i . loop ; test
19:52:58 <sif> Herkamire: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9     
19:53:04 <TheBlueWizard> cool
19:53:45 <Herkamire> tathi's working on . as we speak, so I used emit
19:54:09 <Herkamire> sif: : test 48 10 0 do dup emit 1 + loop drop : test
19:54:10 <sif> Herkamire:   Word not found: test  
19:54:12 <bwb> cool
19:54:16 <Herkamire> sif: : test 48 10 0 do dup emit 1 + loop drop ; test
19:54:17 <sif> Herkamire: 0123456789    
19:54:43 <Herkamire> we call it fpos
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19:54:58 <bwb> heh a forth both
19:54:58 <Herkamire> it's a native ppc colorforth
19:55:00 <bwb> err
19:55:01 <bwb> bot
19:55:16 * bwb working on a native STC forth for x86
19:55:28 <Herkamire> he's written an assembler in forth and coded the system with it.
19:55:46 <bwb> well i'm vasicillating between STC and ITC heh
19:55:50 <bwb> yeah
19:56:02 <Herkamire> not the core, but all the other words. the core just supports the collors and has about 4 words (forth macro flush ,)
19:56:34 <Herkamire> bwb what are those?
19:56:49 <Herkamire> (STC, ITC and vasicillating)
19:56:57 <bwb> Subroutine Threaded Code and Indirect Threaded Code
19:57:18 <bwb> and vasicillating is changing your mind between one and the other
19:58:03 <Herkamire> cool
19:59:32 <Herkamire> ahh :) "19:08  * bwb working on a native STC forth for x86
19:59:32 <Herkamire> 19:08 < Herkamire> he's written an assembler in forth and coded the system with it.
19:59:35 <Herkamire> 19:09 < bwb> well i'm vasicillating between STC and ITC heh
19:59:37 <Herkamire> 19:09 < bwb> yeah
19:59:40 <Herkamire> 19:09 < Herkamire> not the core, but all the other words. the core just supports the collors and has about 4 
19:59:43 <Herkamire>                    words (forth macro flush ,)
19:59:45 <Herkamire> 19:10 < Herkamire> bwb what are those?
19:59:48 <Herkamire> 19:10 < Herkamire> (STC, ITC and vasicillating)
19:59:51 <Herkamire> 19:10 < bwb> Subroutine Threaded Code and Indirect Threaded Code
19:59:52 <Herkamire> stupid xterm. I don't understand why right click selects half the screen
19:59:55 <Herkamire> sorry
20:00:20 <Herkamire> "vacillating" I thought there was a shorter word that meant about that.
20:00:26 <bwb> dunno
20:00:44 <Herkamire> the word is vacillate
20:01:14 <Herkamire> meriam-webster: 2 : to waver in mind, will, or feeling : hesitate in choice of opinions or courses
20:01:46 <bwb> yes
20:02:54 <Herkamire> ok, I get the STC/ITC thing
20:03:14 <Herkamire> have you tried both, and seen what the speed difference is?
20:03:26 <Herkamire> is there a difference in memory usage on your system?
20:04:59 <bwb> well there will be a difference in usage, as a long call is 5 bytes, whereas per call in a thread with ITC is 4 bytes
20:05:06 <I440r_> brb is in vegas ?
20:05:07 <bwb> STC is a bit faster though
20:05:10 <I440r_> bwb even
20:05:18 <bwb> and has some other advantages
20:05:18 <I440r_> stc isnt forth
20:05:20 <bwb> I440r_: no?
20:05:26 <bwb> not las vegas
20:05:31 <bwb> it is and isn't
20:05:38 <I440r_> i saw cox in your /whos and i know cox cable is in vegas heh
20:05:46 <bwb> orange county california
20:05:49 <I440r_> theres direct and indirect. anything else isnt forth :)
20:06:21 * TheBlueWizard demands I440r_ to explain why! :)
20:06:31 <I440r_> because
20:06:36 <I440r_> nuff sed :)
20:06:46 <TheBlueWizard> Open Firmware isn't Forth cuz it uses TTC? ;)
20:07:11 <I440r_> nope
20:07:16 <I440r_> token threading isnt forth either
20:07:33 <bwb> heh
20:07:45 <I440r_> :)
20:07:55 * TheBlueWizard decides I440r_ is a Procrustean at heart :)
20:07:57 <I440r_> tho i was thinking of making isforth token threaded for a while.
20:07:59 <I440r_> i resisted
20:08:05 <Herkamire> That's the word I was thinking of! I was thinking of "oscillate"
20:08:20 <I440r_> oscillate meaning vibrate ?
20:08:27 <TheBlueWizard> heh...tho' I didn't know you were tempted by TTC for IsForth
20:08:39 <I440r_> was thinking about it
20:08:52 <TheBlueWizard> I440r_: oh, forgot to tell you, I finally got the CD set...yay!
20:09:03 <bwb> later
20:09:04 <I440r_> cool :)
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20:09:07 <I440r_> get installing :)
20:09:23 <Herkamire> I440r_: we have cox cable here in Connecticut
20:09:29 <I440r_> ya?
20:09:33 <TheBlueWizard> in a while, I will do that!
20:09:34 <I440r_> bastards get everywhere heh
20:09:41 <TheBlueWizard> well, gotta go...bye all
20:09:55 * TheBlueWizard goes into a regeneration chamber
20:10:05 <I440r_> :)
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20:10:44 <Herkamire> the cox guys around here are amatures. They aren't great with routers...
20:10:59 <I440r_> heh
20:11:11 <I440r_> they wernt in vegas either, but they wernt total losers there either
20:11:13 <Herkamire> oscillate as it:  2 : to vary between opposing beliefs, feelings, or theories
20:11:22 <I440r_> or states
20:17:28 <I440r_> this aint no technological breakdown, oh no, this is the road to hell!
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21:08:36 <I440r_> dammit i cant find any web pages that have the guitar tab for this song!!!
21:08:40 <I440r_> i wanna play this song!!!!!!
21:08:41 <I440r_> grrr
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