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00:07:52 <Robert> Hi Kitanin :)
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04:18:50 <sif> Type sif: <forth code here> (or /msg sif <forth code here> to play in private)
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06:44:46 <ASau> Good evening!
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07:04:09 <ianni[forth]> morning
07:06:36 <ASau> ianni: What are you coding?
07:07:59 <ianni[forth]> nothing. I'm a newbie
07:08:24 <ianni[forth]> I've got my time difference code working, my first real words, now I want to read from a file or something and see how gforth stands up to libc
07:08:33 <ianni[forth]> or the JVM or something
07:13:30 <ASau> I really don't understand what is it for.
07:13:55 <ASau> I don't think that it is good to learn prog.lang.
07:14:13 <ianni[forth]> do you have a better suggestion
07:14:26 <ASau> starting from how the compiler/interpreter is linked to OS or libs.
07:16:10 <ianni[forth]> huh?
07:20:33 <Herkamire> msg ianni[forth] can I see your timer program?
07:20:38 <Herkamire> oops :)
07:23:34 <Robert> Hi all forthers and other crazy people.
07:23:36 <ASau> Non-trivial task is to write a linear equation system solving program.
07:23:38 <Herkamire> ianni[forth]: have yo ustarted with some simple math/flowcontrol problems like printing out all the prime numbers under 100, or the fibinoci sequence?
07:25:06 <Robert> Hrm.
07:25:19 <Robert> How do you solve a linear equation system? (Without using "manual" methods).
07:25:40 <ASau> Gauss' algorhythm
07:25:51 <Robert> Algorithm* :) Thanks.
07:38:56 <ASau> It is general and applicable to not (n+1)*n matrices.
07:41:47 <ASau> Sometimes it is needed.
07:42:33 <ASau> E.g. chemical kinetics' Tjomkin's method.
07:46:16 <ianni[forth]> Herkamire 
07:46:21 <ianni[forth]> all I'm doing is subtracting utimes
07:46:25 <ianni[forth]> it's nothing elegant trust me :)
07:46:47 <ianni[forth]> Herkamire: I don't care for that crap.
07:46:51 <ianni[forth]> I'd rather do real-world problems
07:47:01 <ianni[forth]> it motivates me more
07:47:19 <ianni[forth]> I've done a "make a pyramid of stars" proggy
07:47:23 <ianni[forth]> hehe
07:52:05 <ASau> LES-s are real world.
07:52:22 <ASau> They are used almost everywhere.
07:52:58 <ASau> Graphics, planning...
07:53:26 <ASau> other physical (and not physical) models...
07:57:41 <ianni[forth]> I want to do something useful 
07:57:53 <ianni[forth]> unfortunately I don't do much math
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08:07:20 <onetom> ianni[forth]: then learn some ;)
08:07:41 <onetom> ianni[forth]: eg the gauss algorithm is pretty straight forward
08:08:32 <onetom> ianni[forth]: actually u learn every tool 4 it already in primary school in the 2nd or 3rd year
08:08:42 <onetom> primary == elementary
08:09:04 <ASau> ianni: Or write a text editor.
08:09:18 <ASau> ianni: Brodie recommended this task.
08:09:34 <ASau> I mean SF 2nd ed.
08:17:11 <ianni[forth]> what would i use the gauss algo for?
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08:27:20 <ASau> ianni: I don't know what you deal in.
08:27:54 <ASau> If you say, what your job is, maybe I'll find. :)
08:29:03 <ASau> Vector graphics may require some linear algebra, for example.
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08:57:10 <Kitanin> [15:30] <ASau> Vector graphics may require some linear algebra, for example.
08:57:20 <Kitanin> Always the master of understatement, aren't you?  :-)
09:16:39 <ianni[forth]> haha
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09:16:45 <ianni[forth]> ASau
09:16:49 <ianni[forth]> what'd I'd really love
09:17:10 <ianni[forth]> is to be able to access shared libs and stuff
09:17:16 <ianni[forth]> so I can use forth for my day to day tasks
09:17:21 <ianni[forth]> because I do lots of database stuff
09:17:22 <ianni[forth]> oracle
09:17:23 <ianni[forth]> text parsing
09:17:28 <ianni[forth]> server side backends
09:17:53 <ianni[forth]> I guess the best way I could use forth is to munge text from stdin adn put it in stdout
09:17:56 <ianni[forth]> ATM
09:17:58 <ianni[forth]> from what I can think of
09:18:14 <ianni[forth]> why should I spend you know a year getting oracle working with forth when I can use JDBC which already works, for ex.
09:18:59 <ianni[forth]> im so high level ... :(
09:19:05 <ianni[forth]> but i get more work done this way
09:19:11 <ianni[forth]> in less time
09:19:22 <XeF4> ianni: at least under Linux, bigforth has shared lib support
09:19:44 <ianni[forth]> XeF4: yeah, I know that forths can talk to shared libs - it shouldnt be that big of a deal, either
09:19:48 <ianni[forth]> shit I gott afix this bug :/
09:20:01 <ianni[forth]> maybe i should do somethng like a text editor, that would be a huge undertaking for me
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09:22:51 <ASau> ianni: Of course if you have to interfere with smth, you have to access shared libs.
09:23:19 <ASau> ianni: Try to write some text parsing, as a training.
09:23:58 <ianni[forth]> ASau: that's my next goal, actually
09:24:07 <ASau> Does Oracle use not text format? or unknown and hard-to-deal format?
09:24:07 <ianni[forth]> I've been reading up on it, I'm ready to do it now.
09:24:27 <ianni[forth]> there is a C api - it's not simple :)
09:24:37 <ianni[forth]> because oracle is complex.
09:24:56 <ianni[forth]> probably moer realistic is to make a simple 10 line Java method to parse a flatfile generated by forth and load it in the DB :))
09:25:10 <ianni[forth]> with JDBC which takes care of all the Oracle-specific stuff transparently
09:25:28 <ianni[forth]> JDBC = generic java database access driver protocol..
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10:22:43 <Herkamire> ianni[cocoa]: what about odbc?
10:23:55 <Herkamire> doesn't that provide a simpler interface for several different kinds of databases?
10:32:48 <ianni[cocoa]> JDBC is like ODBC but better.
10:32:57 <ianni[cocoa]> JDBC can do ODBC
10:33:11 <ianni[cocoa]> but yaeh maybe I should look at ODBc for forth, huh
10:38:17 <Herkamire> I'm using Berkeley db for my current project (it's not forth though)
10:38:43 <CrowKiller> I'm trying to come up with the best code to do what I want and I find myself almost always looking at chuck's implementation
10:39:17 <Herkamire> he's one crafty guy
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11:02:54 <CrowKiller> im following his footstep by trying to implement each of its feature down my own forth
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11:08:45 <XeF4> onetom: hmz. does your girlfriend know anything about Livonian?
11:16:53 <ASau> XeF: Lithuanian?
11:17:07 <XeF4> asau: no, Livonian.
11:17:23 <ASau> Riga?
11:17:26 <XeF4> (Finno-Ugric language spoken in Latvia)
11:18:16 <ASau> Verstanden.
11:18:18 <ASau> :)
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11:32:36 * ASau is going away.
11:32:42 <ASau> Good night!
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11:39:07 <ianni[openstep]> re
11:42:34 <CrowKiller> re
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12:19:10 <onetom> XeF4: cant recall, that doesnt mean anything
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12:25:22 <onetom> XeF4: she had 2 learn about lotsa langs, especially finno-ugric 1s
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20:50:08 <proteusguy> Anyone here know of a good forth email list?
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