00:00:00 --- log: started forth/02.09.01 01:02:25 --- join: galexand (galexand@50-pool9.ras10.ncral.tii-dial.net) joined #forth 01:06:28 thin: mmmmmmm, why is it so cool? 01:38:57 --- quit: galexand ("sleep") 02:28:09 --- quit: onetom ("ircII EPIC4-1.1.2 -- Are we there yet?") 02:49:49 --- join: CrowKiller (Forther@Ottawa-HSE-ppp3652687.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 02:50:01 i saw the perspective 02:50:09 i finally understood what i was trying to do 02:50:11 lol 02:51:15 aha is simply the way to store and reuse information, between the outer interpreter and the inner interpreter 02:51:34 kind of right in my face 02:51:40 from the very beggining of this journey 02:52:13 took me three months to realize what aha truly embodies 02:53:45 it enables me to build dictionaries by hand! a lot easier 02:53:52 much like a big puzzle 02:53:57 i shuffles littles pieces everywhere 02:54:38 to eliminate conflicting behavior (word defined before another) and rearrange code to mininyze calling overhead 02:55:03 by placing words at the right place 02:57:15 my puzzle pieces are individual words 02:57:55 255 bytes max program size + 1 for length and 4 for name 02:58:10 so a line cant be more than 260 char long 02:58:20 one word per line ;p 03:08:42 --- join: onetom (~root@novtan.bio.u-szeged.hu) joined #forth 03:09:34 --- quit: CrowKiller ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 03:28:32 --- quit: onetom ("irssi restart, coz of config test") 03:46:59 --- join: Soap` (~flop@202-0-42-22.cable.paradise.net.nz) joined #forth 04:24:35 --- join: onetom (~root@novtan.bio.u-szeged.hu) joined #forth 04:24:48 --- quit: onetom (Client Quit) 04:25:17 --- join: onetom (~root@novtan.bio.u-szeged.hu) joined #forth 04:43:57 --- quit: onetom ("leaving") 04:44:03 --- join: onetom (~root@novtan.bio.u-szeged.hu) joined #forth 04:46:15 --- quit: onetom (Client Quit) 04:46:23 --- join: onetom (~root@novtan.bio.u-szeged.hu) joined #forth 04:48:49 --- quit: onetom (Client Quit) 04:48:52 --- join: onetom (~root@novtan.bio.u-szeged.hu) joined #forth 05:02:11 irssi rlz! 05:02:27 (after some configuration fight...) 05:04:14 --- quit: onetom ("mingya gyovok") 05:11:04 --- join: onetom (~root@novtan.bio.u-szeged.hu) joined #forth 05:12:46 Mingyárt jövök... 05:21:35 wow :))) 05:22:24 tho, it is transliterated after its sounding 05:22:33 the official form is mindjart 05:22:53 but adjacent d&j becomes gy 05:23:14 like the D in Dew 05:28:35 Bah... I asked a hungarian about what "mingya gyovok" means, and he said it's Mingyárt jövök. 05:28:49 But... he's 11 and have lived in Sweden for years ;) 05:28:50 :)) 05:29:29 but its correct on irc 05:29:45 _everything_ is correct on IRC ;) 05:29:53 its just like sayin rite insted of right 05:29:57 :)) 05:30:01 _it is_ 05:30:10 %_underline%_ 05:30:22 sdsdf 05:30:24 Hehe. 05:30:29 ah ctrl-shift- 05:30:37 sdfsdf 05:30:46 :) 05:30:49 Ctrl+B :) 05:31:13 but rirssin has also different keys for it 05:31:28 but %Rirssi%n 05:33:44 8red 05:34:21 No, yellow :) 05:34:24 :) not 5really 05:34:30 Now it's red. 05:34:43 l33t c0l0rz. 05:34:50 yeah :)) 05:34:59 but who cares about them 05:35:12 bolding/underlining is just enough 05:35:27 more than enough 05:35:38 Yeah, I don't use them really. 05:35:43 tho, it could b useful when 05:35:55 every body gonna talk the color dialect of 4th ;)û 05:36:11 ;) 05:40:58 --- quit: onetom ("leaving") 05:41:34 --- join: onetom (~tom@novtan.bio.u-szeged.hu) joined #forth 06:33:49 --- join: cleverdra (julianf@0-1pool36-78.nas2.florence1.sc.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 08:28:47 --- join: Robert_ (~Robert@robost86.tsps1.freenet6.net) joined #forth 08:29:08 --- quit: Robert (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08:29:22 --- nick: Robert_ -> Robert 09:44:06 --- quit: thin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:44:17 --- join: thin (~thin@h24-64-175-61.cg.shawcable.net) joined #forth 09:45:57 Hi thin :) 09:49:52 hey 09:50:08 have you read any of the articles on www.paulgraham.com ? 09:51:01 I've read all of them, I think. 09:51:21 What kind of page is that? 10:04:15 discover it yourself ;P 10:15:00 Paul Graham is a literate Lisp person. 10:48:03 --- quit: skylan (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:50:28 --- join: skylan (sjh@Rockcliffe64.tbaytel.net) joined #forth 11:04:07 --- quit: Robert (Remote closed the connection) 11:04:35 --- join: Robert (~Robert@robost86.tsps1.freenet6.net) joined #forth 12:12:47 --- quit: cleverdra ("Leaving") 12:45:16 --- join: galexand (galexand@163-pool9.ras10.ncral.tii-dial.net) joined #forth 12:54:49 --- join: tcn (tcn@tc2-login15.megatrondata.com) joined #forth 12:54:56 hey 12:55:23 hey tcn 12:55:38 Hi tcn :) 12:56:03 you new here, galexand? 12:57:43 yes. 12:58:11 Welcome :) 12:58:47 slow day here 13:00:28 Here it's 22.00, soon time for bed. 13:00:57 (School tomorrow). 13:03:27 oh hehe.. it'll be a holiday for us 13:04:19 one of the few days we're not working :) 13:08:09 hooray for holiday 13:09:24 heh.. who ever heard of using shift registers for RAM? sounds like a turing machine.. 13:13:01 do what 13:13:17 is there like a severe deficiency of wiring space? 13:15:06 it's on here.. http://www.bambi.net/bob/homebrew.html 13:27:28 i'm looking for parts & stuff for a homebuilt machine.. 13:27:29 i was certainly looking at gpe before, if it'll fit in less than 16MB 13:27:33 I want to have about 5-10MB free for compilers :) 13:27:39 er wrong channel i guess. :) 13:27:46 what's gpe? 13:28:04 UI for 'familiar', the linux typically used on ipaqs :) 13:28:22 handheld? 13:28:28 yeah when i was doing homebuilt machines i used shift registers a lot -- great when you don't feel like running 16 wires :) 13:29:04 oh wait i get it now with the shift register memory taht's more disturbing than i'd first feared. 13:29:05 hehe 13:29:11 yes handheld :) 13:29:40 hahah 16k of shift registers jesus that's exactly like turing tape 13:30:08 ahahhahaha.. what would that be, 16,384 chips all wired up? 13:31:44 i guess jesus 13:31:52 actually it's bits isn't it, so maybe only 2048 chips all wired up :) 13:32:44 what i'm thinking of building, maybe a pc104 w/ laptop HD, in a box with the keyboard, and external display.. 13:33:26 or maybe wire up my own motherboard.. doesn't have to be super fast.. 13:34:12 whole thing might be 11x4x1" 13:35:05 you thinking wire wrap or custom pcb or what? 13:35:37 or point-to-point wiring 13:36:47 yecht 13:36:56 i find anything with like wider than an 8-bit bus takes too much effort doing any sort of point to point 13:37:03 unless you have a very integrated chipset 13:37:54 on perfboard? soldering between dip sockets? 13:38:11 yes i hate doing that. 13:38:17 i have a severe lack of talent though :) 13:39:53 oh. i had a wire-wrapper but i thought it was a pain :) 13:40:10 i use breadboards when i'm not sure what i'm doing, of course :) :) 13:40:18 i like wirewrap 13:41:41 so what's a good cpu? 13:46:44 heh.. ever seen www.coprolite.com? 13:50:12 i'm very partial to m68k because it's simple and available in plcc 13:50:21 and relatively fast and powerful 13:51:29 is that a surface mount package? 13:55:34 oh i remember now, nevermind :) 13:56:08 it's like a dip with pins bent up backwards on all 4 sides, right? 13:57:40 wow coprolite is new to me, this looks pretty nice. 13:57:55 yeah like the socketed 386s :) 14:24:44 hmm.. the mini-itx is a lotta bang for the buck, but.. 14:25:32 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@ip-216-25-202-118.vienna.va.fcc.net) joined #forth 14:25:35 hiya all 14:25:39 hey 14:26:14 you do any hardware hacking? 14:27:39 never have done any actual hw hacking, though I always want to (no time, lack of experience, etc.) 14:29:23 eh just do it without the experience it is still fun 14:30:57 galexand, you know any good parts suppliers? 14:39:24 i use jameco.com, digikey.com, sciplus.com, alltronics.com, and allelectronics.com for all of my parts supplies. :) 14:40:45 Fry's? 14:41:24 thanks 14:41:25 jameco has so/so variety and price, digikey has great variety and pretty crappy price, sciplus alltronics and allelectronics have sketchy variety but occaisonally awesome prices. 14:41:39 i built a wearable out of parts from sciplus and alltronics i think. 14:43:10 what kinda display? 14:43:32 20x4 text lcd 14:43:37 well i've gotta get going. have fun. 14:44:01 see ya 14:44:16 --- quit: galexand ("going places") 14:44:16 bye galexand 14:44:50 i guess a 20x4 would be fine for the audio stuff i'm working on now 14:52:42 --- quit: Soap` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:52:42 i should post it.. it works pretty good 14:52:48 anyway, gotta urn 14:52:51 --- quit: tcn ("Leaving") 16:20:05 --- quit: TheBlueWizard ("Leaving") 16:29:06 --- join: mark4_ (~mark4@1Cust129.tnt3.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #forth 16:29:12 --- nick: mark4_ -> I440r 16:29:32 cant stay long, going out to eat in a min 16:41:48 --- quit: I440r ("PHOOD!") 17:34:02 --- join: sbk_ (~kbs@dsl-65-184-98-221.telocity.com) joined #forth 17:49:05 --- quit: sbk_ ("Leaving") 22:20:32 wowowowow! quiet today! 22:20:39 come on! word up! party it up! 22:20:50 break out the booze, the drugs, the forth implementations! 22:21:04 break out the techno music! 23:06:51 --- join: Serg_penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 23:06:58 hi 23:07:26 --- quit: Serg_penguin (Client Quit) 23:14:09 --- join: Shain (~steve@12-236-220-28.client.attbi.com) joined #forth 23:16:24 --- quit: Shain (Client Quit) 23:16:48 --- join: Shain (~steve@12-236-220-28.client.attbi.com) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/02.09.01