00:00:00 --- log: started forth/02.08.23 00:07:19 Agreed. Night. 00:07:19 --- quit: Kitanin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:07:54 --- join: proteus (~proteusgu@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 00:07:55 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:06:38 --- quit: proteus (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:07:13 --- join: proteus (~proteusgu@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 01:39:18 :( tnc always come very late 01:42:42 --- join: Kitanin (~clark@h-209-91-66-234.gen.cadvision.com) joined #forth 02:07:33 --- join: yeahright (~proteusgu@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 02:07:34 --- quit: Kitanin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:07:50 --- quit: proteus (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:13:38 ly 03:07:37 --- quit: yeahright (Connection timed out) 03:35:32 --- quit: Robert ("reboot") 03:38:28 --- join: Robert (~Robert@robost86.tsps1.freenet6.net) joined #forth 03:42:52 --- join: Kitanin (~clark@h-209-91-66-234.gen.cadvision.com) joined #forth 03:46:00 --- quit: Robert (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 03:46:00 --- quit: Fractal (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 03:46:00 --- quit: futhin (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 03:46:00 --- quit: marekb (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 03:48:22 --- join: Robert (~Robert@robost86.tsps1.freenet6.net) joined #forth 03:48:22 --- join: Fractal (feud@h24-77-171-228.ok.shawcable.net) joined #forth 03:48:22 --- join: futhin (~thin@h24-64-175-61.cg.shawcable.net) joined #forth 03:48:22 --- join: marekb (~marekb@217.66.164.22) joined #forth 03:50:06 --- join: yeahright (~proteusgu@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 04:50:26 --- join: sif (~sifforth@ip68-9-70-120.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 04:50:26 Type sif: (or /msg sif to play in private) 04:50:26 --- quit: Kitanin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:07:36 --- join: proteus (~proteusgu@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 05:07:40 --- quit: yeahright (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:50:11 --- join: Kitanin (~clark@h-209-91-66-234.gen.cadvision.com) joined #forth 05:59:46 --- join: cleverdra (julianf@0-1pool36-229.nas2.florence1.sc.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 06:00:46 cleverdra: Hi :) 06:01:12 hello Robert. 06:01:20 how are you? =) 06:01:34 * Robert just got home with his new glasses :) 06:02:40 oh, cool! How well do you see, now? 06:03:59 - "well? what well? i c no well." - said robert ;) 06:04:28 * Robert can read now :P 06:04:35 Well, I could before, but not on distance. 06:04:51 anyway, im programming some image processing stuff 06:05:11 Cool :) 06:05:13 In Forth? 06:05:19 incase, i can hack ur spectacles. does it know 4th? ;) 06:05:27 sure 06:05:29 in TILE 06:05:42 :) 06:05:45 and ive just managed 2 read a pnm and write it out 06:05:51 Do you know any Linux Forth that can do gfx? 06:06:10 * Robert feels like playing. 06:06:11 tho, a 1M pnm read takes more than a second :( 06:07:26 --- quit: proteus (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:07:55 --- join: proteus (~proteusgu@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 06:08:21 Robert - BigForth, iForth, SwiftForth, and some other commerical Forths probably have the lowest effort-threshold in getting graphics. 06:08:28 big4th has x11 interface 06:08:31 Well, I'm not sure about iForth; it may just have FFI 06:08:58 and does swift have linux version? 06:09:05 Which one would you recommend? 06:09:09 I want graphics in X. 06:09:19 In a simple way, if possible :) 06:09:20 Robert: none ;) 06:09:23 Bah. 06:09:31 How would you do graphics in Forth? 06:09:47 in an offline manner 06:10:09 What do you mean` 06:10:10 What do you mean?= 06:10:11 eg, iwould write a tcltk wrapper 06:10:15 grr... I can't type. 06:10:16 Hrm. 06:10:22 How would *I* do graphics? I'd pick a graphics system and get a Forth to talk to it. 06:10:23 what calls a forth pipeline.. 06:10:48 cleverdra: I just want to play, not put effort into it :) 06:10:58 Robert - then get BigForth 06:11:38 Okay :) 06:11:41 Thanks. 06:14:02 the current version of the pnm reader/write is 18lines in 4th.. 06:14:25 what is the type of stdin/stdout/stderr in C? 06:15:44 onetom - They are file discriptors, hence integers. 06:17:14 where r the defined? stdio.h? 06:17:30 Probably. 06:17:36 id like 2 print a welcome banner depending on the 06:17:46 existance of redirection 06:18:03 Test to see if stdin is a tty. 06:18:12 im tryin 2 achieve this v if (isatty(STDIN)) 06:18:26 #define STDIN 0 06:18:43 err, OK. 06:18:47 but it doesn work :( 06:20:17 'doesn't work' could mean a lot of things. To see what C thinks 'stdin' is, compile and execute: main () { printf("%d:%d:%d\n", stdin, stdout, stderr); } 06:20:31 typedef struct _IO_FILE FILE; 06:20:38 in stdio.h ... 06:27:06 hm hm cant retrieve filedescriptor from std* vars ;( 06:29:58 have you tried that C program? 06:30:11 suer 06:30:35 ht2:~# ./io 06:30:35 1074978912:1074979296:1074979680 06:30:46 they r FILE structures 06:32:01 huh, OK. Well, 0 is the file discriptor you want, anyway, so your problem is elsewhere. 06:32:11 If you really must check, also try 1 and 2. 06:41:08 hm, will test in a sec 06:58:51 --- quit: futhin (Ping timeout: 14400 seconds) 06:58:51 --- quit: Kitanin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07:07:45 --- quit: proteus (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:07:50 --- join: yeahright (~proteusgu@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 07:11:21 cleverdra: thx, 4 the assistance. STDOUT have 2 b tested, not STDIN as iwrotw 07:11:26 e 07:12:27 --- join: tathi (~josh@wsip68-15-54-54.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 07:16:26 [04:25] eeeh, this 4th io is a crap... 07:16:26 [04:25] u cant redirect std output words 2 a file 07:16:26 [04:26] and u cant use WORD 2 parse from a memory area 07:22:55 heh 07:25:21 isnt there any effort on this topic? 07:26:04 its high time 2 do a tedious clean up amongst these words.. 07:26:43 What words? What Forth? 07:27:03 f83 07:27:08 TILE actually 07:27:13 * cleverdra shrugs. 07:27:35 but ans suffers from the same constraints 07:27:49 No, it doesn't. 07:27:59 why? 07:28:35 how can i redirect the output of emit type ? 07:28:49 they r defered, yes 07:28:58 You can't, in ANS. Nevermind, I'll accept that ANS suffers from these 'constaints'. 07:29:07 thats true, infact... 07:39:04 --- join: futhin (~thin@h24-64-175-61.cg.shawcable.net) joined #forth 07:39:42 cleverdra: it's "constraints" not constaints heh 07:43:31 random question: has anyone here used Tom Lord's "arch" revision control system? 07:43:55 I've gotten it, tathi, but haven't yet put it to any use. 07:45:28 I'm sort of looking for a new revision control system 07:45:58 ah, CVS isn't doing it for you? 07:46:57 I decided about 6 months ago that CVS just wasn't that cool 07:47:01 I've been using SVN 07:47:29 which is nice, but still isn't really finished 07:47:55 they're still doing a lot of work on it, and I keep getting different versions on different computers, and it's just getting to be a bit of a nuisance 07:48:25 gotta go 2 the shop. bbl 07:48:32 what do you look for in a revision control system? 07:48:33 later onetom 07:49:13 hm? 07:49:37 what do you look for in a revision control system? 07:49:41 I had some branches in CVS that were starting to be slow 07:49:53 branching and merging was a pain in the ass 07:50:11 SVN had some things that I wanted that CVS didn't 07:50:23 (though some of them don't work yet) :) 07:51:08 I've really liked SVN, I'm just getting tired of trying to keep up with it :) 07:52:21 I was hoping to use it at work once it hit 1.0, but I need anyone to be able to install updates to sites 07:52:41 and under SVN, only the owner of a working copy can do updates and commits 07:52:48 i don't know much about revision control systems... i think they are far too inefficient for collaborative coding (but they are the best out there right now i guess) 07:53:42 I don't know a hell of a lot either, mostly just use it for my personal stuff. 07:53:59 well i've never used it heh 07:54:14 i tried but fail 07:54:15 ed 07:54:35 its a pain 2 restructure the directories 07:54:37 I hadn't used them until fairly recently. Now I can't imagine how I survived without CVS :) 07:54:47 and renaming or moving files 07:55:10 onetom - how many times do you do that? 07:55:14 tathi: you used CVS on your own personal projects with nobody else doing any coding whatsoever ? 07:55:15 yeah, SVN is trying to address those issues 07:55:33 cleverdra: just 10-50 depends on 07:55:53 futhin - I've used CVS for my own personal projects with nobody else doing any coding whatsoever. 07:55:58 futhin: absolutely. that way I can break whatever I want 07:56:05 actually, I should get CVS again for that. 07:56:23 and still know that I can get a version that works if I need it for anything 07:56:58 tathi - arch seems to be a bit heavy, just looking at Tom Lord's other arch-ed projects. 07:57:11 or if I make a major architectural change, then decide 6 months later that I like the old way better, I can get it back 07:57:29 I basically use CVS instead of backing up all my projects :) 07:58:02 cleverdra: yeah, I was starting to get that impression. But I'll probably try it anyway. 07:58:15 * cleverdra nods. 07:59:17 code your own control revision system in forth! :D 07:59:20 heh 07:59:29 that's like the only way you are gonna get the features you want in a timely manner 07:59:51 writing a revision control system sounds hard 08:00:18 find a way to start of simple i guess 08:00:34 s/of/off 08:00:49 what does a revision control system DO ?? 08:00:53 hmm, subversion seems considerably diligent.. 08:01:02 (from the programmer's perspective) 08:02:30 it maintains a repository with all past versions of your project, so you can get at whatever you want 08:03:27 * futhin is working on an irc log processor in forth right now.. check it out at http://sempiternity.org/forth/irclog.f 08:05:46 i would love feedback 08:05:53 on the coding methodology, etc 08:05:56 ?public isn't finished 08:06:12 and the file reading & line reading code is probably false 08:06:28 and i forgot to put the variables in 08:07:31 --- quit: yeahright (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:07:36 --- join: yeahright (~proteusgu@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 08:07:48 hi yeahright :) 08:09:35 : ,inform ." There were " @ . type ." messages." CR ; : about >in @ bl parse rot >in ! postpone sliteral ' postpone literal ; immediate 08:10:00 : inform about public ,inform about action ,inform about join ,inform about part ... 08:10:34 it could be inform" 08:10:49 hm 08:10:56 * cleverdra shrugs. 08:10:57 why isn't there one in front of public 08:11:02 There is. 08:11:11 ABOUT is the parsing-word 08:11:32 oh 08:11:42 about public ,inform 08:12:47 about ( compiletime: "name" -- ) ( runtime: -- c-addr n xt ) 08:13:32 well, it doesn't actually exist at runtime -- you know what I mean. 08:15:19 i wonder how to access a file in isforth or gforth 08:15:30 that file access code was ans forth or win32 forth 08:16:00 What you have should work under gforth. 08:16:08 hmm 08:16:26 even with endoffile? :) 08:16:50 : timestamp-offset line 7 + ; 08:17:05 that line is false heh 08:17:10 I don't know what you mean when you say 'endoffile' 08:17:59 well in the code i assume there's an endoffile? word that tells me if its end of file or not 08:18:04 oh, endoffile? No, that's different. 08:18:05 i guess i need to code it 08:18:59 It seems like a misnomer, since you don't seem to be dealing with a file anymore when testloop is entered -- just an address. 08:19:33 heh 08:19:52 the code is bad 08:20:06 i just wanted to do the ?public etc stuff first 08:20:08 well, incrementvariable is bad =) 08:20:11 * cleverdra nods. 08:20:50 it is? heh 08:21:31 : ++ 1 swap +! ; : 1+! 1 swap +! ; /me shrugs 08:21:57 well, ++ has a common meaning that is slightly different. 08:23:08 Anyway, it's nifty. 08:26:17 --- join: XeF4 (xef4@lowfidelity.org) joined #forth 08:26:47 futhin: ur code is not bad. infact, its pretty good. no comments @ 1st glance. 08:27:06 cleverdra: but i want it to be readable 08:27:10 the words should mean something 08:27:18 1+! doesn't mean anything to the non-forth coder 08:27:25 (i'm going to be showing the code off to a friend) 08:27:29 after it's working 08:27:51 onetom: no comments should be necessary. if comments are necessary, then i'm doing something wrong already ;) 08:28:20 futhin: incrementandstore means nothing to the non-English speaker, and I'm grateful for the brevity of 1+! 08:28:55 XeF4 - close; the name is 'incrementvariable' 08:29:09 futhin: @2nd glance... well... :) not bad as a 1st hack 08:29:23 futhin - so, what are you going to call . ? 08:29:27 futhin: now, time 2 refine. thatis: factor more 08:30:21 onetom: yeah 08:30:28 cleverdra: heh 08:30:48 futhin: not comments mean: keep the docs separately from the src 08:31:02 no docs 08:31:04 gtg 08:31:05 bye 08:31:21 futhin: the shadow block mechanism - like in color4th - serves this purpose 08:31:48 * onetom is havin a lunch 08:41:15 --- join: Kitanin (~clark@h-209-91-66-234.gen.cadvision.com) joined #forth 08:47:45 Hi :) 09:05:56 --- nick: XeF4 -> XeF4pois 09:05:56 --- quit: Kitanin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:07:14 --- quit: yeahright (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:07:56 --- join: yeahright (~proteusgu@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 09:57:33 --- quit: tathi ("Lost terminal") 09:59:44 --- join: tathi (~josh@wsip68-15-54-54.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 10:06:33 --- quit: yeahright (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:07:10 --- join: yeahright (~proteusgu@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 10:16:34 --- join: Kitanin (~clark@h-209-91-66-234.gen.cadvision.com) joined #forth 10:17:01 Morning, all... 10:39:39 --- nick: yeahright -> proteusguy 10:39:39 --- quit: Kitanin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:05:47 --- nick: XeF4pois -> XeF4 11:06:45 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:07:05 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 11:09:04 --- quit: proteusguy (Remote closed the connection) 11:39:47 --- join: mark4 (~mark4@1Cust19.tnt2.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #forth 11:40:14 nick I440r 11:40:14 argh 11:40:15 --- nick: mark4 -> I440r 11:40:31 Hehe ;) 11:41:20 --- quit: I440r (Client Quit) 11:41:28 --- join: I440r (~mark4@1Cust19.tnt2.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #forth 11:42:26 x3f4 hi sorry i missed your message last nite, yea my motherboard likes its new box :) 11:47:06 er xEf4 even 11:47:15 argh 11:47:52 i¤¤=R! 11:48:05 Heh. 11:48:20 içç=R >:) 11:48:38 ya - i REALY should learn to type some day :) 11:48:41 ç doesn't look like a sun to me. 11:48:48 I440r: Learn to use tab :P 11:49:32 tabs SUCK 11:49:38 anyone who uses tabs SUCKS :P 11:49:46 tabs are evil 11:50:28 tabs are the only way to heaven 11:51:03 tabs make 11:51:18 your code 11:51:18 look 11:51:18 like this 11:51:18 all the 11:51:18 time 11:51:55 that is not 11:52:00 pleasing to 11:52:04 me either 11:52:07 but 11:52:15 it pleases 11:52:26 god 11:52:56 Uhm. 11:53:07 I440r: Ever heard of a thing called nickname completion? :P 11:54:02 all these other faiths are wrong. He counts the number of ctrl-I events a man is responsible for at the time of his death. 11:54:07 and that decides where you will go. 11:54:09 (or somesuch) 11:54:51 Robert: errr :) 11:55:12 brb 11:55:23 need to make coffee 11:56:40 :) 11:56:51 Uhmm.. 11:57:01 I tihnk IsForth should _allow_ tabs. 11:57:25 Not just give a stupid error when someone has a tab in the middle of a program. 11:58:24 Robert - so? Add a filter to the post-mmap code that translates tabs to spaces. 11:59:22 * Robert <-- lazy. 12:02:00 --- quit: cleverdra (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:03:05 --- join: cleverdra (julianf@0-1pool36-229.nas2.florence1.sc.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 12:04:05 it does allow tabs 12:04:14 read the "todo" it says in there 12:04:20 Hmmm 12:04:23 What version? 12:04:26 "make isforth accept the evil tab.... done" 12:04:34 I440r - no it doesn't. 12:04:36 Hhhmmm... 12:04:41 since forever heh 12:04:42 I440r - the "todo" lies. 12:04:44 I've tried it in 1.08b 12:04:45 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@user-24-214-86-42.knology.net) joined #forth 12:04:49 No! 12:04:51 hi 12:04:53 It doesn't work. 12:04:58 Hi kc5tja, onetom. 12:05:01 re 12:05:06 It gives me an unknown word error. 12:05:14 It looks like: 12:05:21 ? 12:05:22 When I try to compile a program. 12:05:24 err ill test it, ive changed the way fload works now so maybe accepting tabs is b0rked 12:05:25 VERY annoying., 12:05:33 lil Q: how can u retain 2 the std indentation in vi when ur editing a .c file? 12:06:03 onetom: Can you rephrase? 12:06:18 no :) 12:06:34 if i hit enter while editing a .c file in vi 12:06:36 Then I can't answer your question; it makes no sense to me. 12:06:54 it skips 2 the next line 12:07:19 What vi are you using? 12:07:26 but 8chars to the right from the beginning of the prev line 12:07:43 if it has started w if or for statements 12:07:52 vi lot.lot 12:07:56 the version in sid 12:08:08 Again, which vi? Elvis? VIM? nvi? 12:08:10 VIM - Vi IMproved 6.1 (2002 Mar 24, compiled Aug 13 2002 15:14:27) 12:08:14 OK, it's vim. 12:08:29 sure it is ;) 12:08:33 And you do *not* want it to auto-indent? 12:08:40 nooooo 12:08:46 onetom: You say that as if I should have known from the beginning. Why? 12:08:48 i want autoindentation 12:08:58 but the just the default type 12:09:06 That is the default type. 12:09:07 not the C type extra intelligent 1 12:09:25 Change your document type to "text" instead of "C". 12:09:34 haaa haaa ... 12:09:49 I <3 FORTH. 12:10:29 And I love you... 12:10:42 * Robert tries to write a Snakes game... 12:10:52 Hrm, how should I keep track on where the snake has been? 12:10:58 An array of coordinates? 12:11:06 se filetype=txt doesnt help... 12:11:19 (That is, the blocks the snake is on) 12:12:08 robert: in what environment? 12:12:36 onetom: Type :syn off to turn off syntax mode -- there is no plain text mode. That'll get you into "normal" VI mode. 12:12:51 onetom: What do you mean? 12:12:52 ucan apply deltacode 2 describe the monster 12:13:01 I'm doing this in text mode, IsForth. 12:13:06 tail-of-the-snake is a coordinate 12:13:08 Deltacode? 12:13:21 and the further points r just direction codes 12:13:33 left right up down 12:13:58 OK, in an array? 12:14:03 eg 12:14:26 variable tail-x 12:14:30 variable tail-y 12:14:49 variable body maxlen allot 12:15:02 variable head 12:15:13 shall i continue? 12:15:21 Uhmm.. 12:15:24 Nope. :) 12:15:29 Thanks. 12:15:40 but think of the number of snakes... 12:15:57 probably u have 2 use some OO concept... 12:16:22 put all the above in a structure.. 12:17:08 --- join: Kitanin (~clark@h-209-91-66-234.gen.cadvision.com) joined #forth 12:17:33 onetom: Nah, this is just something quick I'm making. 12:17:51 but r there 2 snakes or not? 12:18:05 Nope. 12:18:07 Just one snake. 12:18:23 anyway, what operation do u have 2 do on a snake? 12:18:52 What do you mean? 12:19:02 u have 2 grow it @ the head side 12:19:18 and have 2 shrink it at the tail 12:19:46 it it simply moves, both operations happen simulteniously 12:20:03 That's what I do. 12:20:12 so design/choose the data structure what represents the snake 12:20:43 as i could fit these operations 12:20:43 char *[maxsnakelen] 12:20:44 well 12:21:09 better 12:21:10 best 12:21:29 int head;int len; 12:22:34 i would use a linked list of coordinates for each cell of the snake and delete the tail and create a new head 12:23:09 I use onetom's solution... 12:23:16 I would cheat and just use an array (or linked list if you consider that wasteful) of pointers into the framebuffer 12:23:22 I440r: Got dynamic mem. managment yet? 12:23:28 (assuming you've some sort of framebuf) 12:23:42 I440r: sure! if u wanna waste memory and cpu cycles... 12:23:45 XeF4: I don't :) 12:24:32 robert isforth will have dynamic memory allocation etc wehn i do the next release heh 12:26:04 Bah, release it sometime :) 12:26:11 I don't want varpourware only :P 12:27:28 why not just use a freelist, allot and , ? 12:28:23 freelist? 12:28:42 A list maintaining chunks of memory and/or objects that are unused. 12:28:42 b'sides, the memory consumption of worms has a quite low upper bound, so you can just allot it all at once and allocate (fixed-size) elements from there 12:29:01 chucks of memory ;D 12:29:03 Hence it's name -- free-list. 12:31:01 I'm allot-ing a couple of bytes, and make a fifo list of directions. 12:31:27 fifo? 12:31:45 First in, first out 12:31:48 aka queue 12:31:50 u have 2 abuse both ends of the list 12:32:05 Frankly, I don't see that as a viable solution. 12:32:20 why do you need a list of direction vectors? are the worms to swing their hips around too? 12:32:28 kc5tja: the problem wasnt w the terminology ;) 12:32:40 I would use a simple array of coordinates, treated as a circular list. When the snake grows, just grow the bounds of the circular array. 12:32:42 kc5tja: but thx the explanation 12:37:45 circular arrays can be tricky to grow without decent mm 12:37:55 Pre-allocate the space. 12:38:11 There's no need for dynamically allocating circular buffers here. 12:38:20 sure, but never 4get the real problem! 12:38:29 we r talkin about a snake 12:38:46 there is no need for multiple buffers here, not even to support multiple worms. 12:38:48 The snake will never get longer than, worst case, 95 characters. 12:38:49 that wont be longer than the whole game area 12:39:23 what can b represented in some K usually 12:39:48 95? wtf r u talkin about? 12:40:14 windows 95? ;p 12:40:26 If I'm going to be treated this way, then I'll just leave. 12:41:19 :D if u take us serious, its better 2 leave i think 12:41:26 --- part: kc5tja left #forth 12:41:41 he seems upset today 12:41:45 Yeah... 12:41:49 can't say that I blame him 12:42:00 (well I could ,but I'd be lying) 12:42:01 menstruation or sg like that.. 12:42:04 Did I behave bad again, master? 12:42:19 no 12:42:26 twas me in theory 12:42:56 but hey, we r in a virtual world 12:43:45 every1 should learn 2 distiguish between "real" and "fake" abuse 12:45:18 but frankly, wtf is that 95? 12:45:29 reminds me of a story one Dane told me.. 12:45:31 80+25=105 12:45:57 --- quit: Kitanin (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:46:29 he sat down in some bar in Prague, some USAians told him he was in their place. Mr Dane replied "suck my dick motherfucker" hoping they would distinguish real from fake abuse :) 12:46:50 (they didn't distinguish) 12:47:07 and any preconception is absurd coz there were no information about the "display" yet 12:47:41 but it has happend in the real wolrd 12:47:44 world 12:47:49 ehh... 12:47:52 but the worm can in theory spiral from 0,0 to 40,12 12:48:12 so that's 80*25 max 12:48:41 40,12? 12:49:01 why is the halfening? 12:49:13 4 12:49:22 dict spiral 12:49:57 aah 12:50:22 i simply imagined a sequention scanning 12:50:52 but thats also 80x25 (assuming the stnd txt mode) 12:50:59 *nod* 12:51:18 but you can't trap someone in tron by sequential scanning unless he's a really awful player 12:51:37