00:00:00 --- log: started forth/02.08.17 00:08:59 --- quit: proteusguy (Connection timed out) 00:08:59 --- quit: futhin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:10:28 --- join: futhin (~thin@h24-64-175-61.cg.shawcable.net) joined #forth 01:50:43 --- join: proteusguy (~irc@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 02:11:13 e 03:09:48 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:53:15 --- quit: skylan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:03:45 --- join: Jagos (hamster@213-99-64-137.uc.nombres.ttd.es) joined #forth 04:46:45 --- join: marekb (~marekb@p034.as-l025.contactel.cz) joined #forth 04:50:18 --- join: proteusguy (~irc@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 05:09:25 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:17:08 --- quit: Jagos (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05:26:11 marekb: hi 05:26:27 a new visitor, i suppose.. 07:14:42 --- join: proteusguy (~irc@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 07:32:18 hi 07:39:09 hi 07:43:29 nah, whats up? 07:44:07 have u been here yet earlier? 07:45:05 no 07:45:18 i'm here first time 07:54:48 --- join: proteus (~irc@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 08:09:29 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:20:23 hi marekb :) 08:20:46 do you code forth or have you just discovered it? :) 08:23:53 i coded it a little 15 years ago 08:24:09 now i discover it again 08:27:05 :) 08:29:36 how did you discover this channel? 08:32:01 i typed to google: chuck moore interview 08:33:49 ah, how did you hear about chuck moore's interview? :) 08:34:02 what did you think of the interview? 08:34:14 * futhin hasn't read the interview hehe ;) 08:36:06 like, i was busy pasting the questions and stuff, so i didn't really pay much attention to the content of what he said 08:37:20 but the part on forth as a webscripting language seems the most interesting 08:39:02 i just wanted any articles he wrote 08:41:40 FML sounds really interesting 08:45:44 but i cant imagine forth as a general purpose language 08:49:06 --- join: I440r (mark4@pool-63.52.218.0.ipls.grid.net) joined #forth 09:04:30 marekb: it already is a general purpose language :P 09:05:14 i don't see it as only a language for embedded stuff, i don't have much interest in using forth only for embedded stuff 09:09:00 FML isn't too general purpose, and it can help make forth into a more usable language 09:10:31 --- quit: proteus (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:16:39 i like forth but where are real applications in today's world? 09:19:17 www.eserv.ru/eserv/ mail, news, web, ftp, and proxy servers.. coded in forth i think 09:19:21 www.forthcad.com 09:19:31 very nice looking CAD program coded in forth 09:20:45 --- join: proteusguy (~irc@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 09:20:57 there are some other applicationed coded in forth out there 09:21:05 like another webserver 09:21:32 the more development done in forth, the more usable forth is 09:22:08 something similar to postscript should be coded into forth ( all the line drawing stuff ) 09:22:17 also, string handling stuff 09:22:42 thank for interesting speaking 09:22:49 see you later 09:22:53 i must go 09:24:50 ok, hope to see you around :) 09:30:26 i440r: you gonna develop isforth into a scripting language & a webscripting language (fml?) ? :) 09:41:30 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@ip68-8-206-226.sd.sd.cox.net) joined #forth 09:43:46 --- quit: marekb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09:43:58 re kc5tja 09:45:22 Hello 09:46:16 i was reading paulgraham yesterday and his talk about lisp macros.. 09:46:28 um.. what is the forth analogy to lisp macros? words? 09:48:00 lisp macros are described as: they are programs that write programs 09:48:19 it's that description that makes me think.. 09:48:28 Forth's answer to Lisp's macros are immediate words. 09:48:30 --- join: CrowPola (punkrules@Ottawa-HSE-ppp3654156.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 09:48:44 --- nick: CrowPola -> CrowKiller 09:48:54 heyy, crowpola is better ;P 09:49:21 i'll keep it sicne "pola" is the slang in Quebec for "away" 09:49:28 --- nick: CrowKiller -> CrowPola 09:49:32 heh 09:49:33 ah 09:49:40 and i'm sporadicaly away ;p 09:50:15 kc5tja: immediates don't make me think of "programs that write programs" 09:50:31 or i'm just not thinking of a good example 09:50:38 I need a Flash memory programmer, because attempting to upgrade bios through a bootable CDRW doesnt work on my A928 Desknote 09:50:45 But in a sense, that's what they do. BEGIN/UNTIL/WHILE/REPEAT/AGAIN are all immediate words that compile things into the dictionary, as are IF/ELSE/THEN. 09:50:58 crowpola: flash it from dos 09:51:17 futhin: the cdrw was a blanck format /s dos floppy 09:51:36 in the documentation they say to sue a usb floppy 09:51:43 == special order all over town 09:51:48 and 60$can 09:51:49 crowpola: so boot up a floppy disk.. 09:51:59 my laptop doenst have a floppy 09:52:09 open it up and install a floppy drive ;P 09:52:17 rip the one out of your desktop computer 09:52:26 i dunno :P 09:52:27 so thats why I burned myself a bootable cdrw but it didnt worked 09:53:02 anyway i'm out for a shower and I,ll be back from the store shortly brb 09:53:46 * futhin is reading cathedral and bazaar essay 09:54:02 kc5tja: what did you think of the cathedral and bazaar essay? 09:54:22 i'm reading it and i'm trying to figure out how to fit it into a commercial avenue.. 09:54:33 I don't know -- I didn't read it. 09:54:49 for people who only dedicate themselves to writing a piece of software and need to earn some income to survive 09:56:23 summary of essay: cathedral is an analogy to software where a handful of wizards work on it and make infrequent releases. bazaar is like linux's development, where lots of people are mucking around, and the releases are fairly frequent 09:56:50 and the essay is basically how to do your software project bazaar-style 09:56:59 successfully 09:57:23 it results in fast growth, and strong applications that fill their niche, etc.. 09:57:41 The problem is that the software takes a direction that I don't want it to. 09:57:58 It ultimately ends up mimicking some other application, and I don't want that. 09:58:00 and all the users, testers, co-developers help you find the bugs 09:58:17 kc5jta: true.. like your os mimicking unix? :) 09:58:34 yeah, with oses, it's a more personal thing ;) 09:58:38 the problem with having 2984562837645 people all working on the same project is that theres no control over where or how the application is developed 09:58:55 WIth anything it's more personal. 09:58:59 i440r: no.. only 1 to 3 people are the core developers 09:59:09 The more people you add to a project, the more complex it will be. 09:59:15 i440r: everyone else is just feedback, or they send you code 09:59:23 only the core developers decide to integrate it or not 09:59:40 most opensource projects have only 1 to 3 core developers.. usually just 1 09:59:48 (according to the essay) 10:00:51 the author of the essay (Eric Raymond) coded fetchmail.. took popclient, and started adding features, and over time, based on other people's feedback and code sent in, it changed to fetchmail 10:01:28 The other thing that you must have in order for that system to work is an already existing product. 10:01:50 i440r: you don't lose control of isforth if you encourage people to send in feedback and bug reports, some of them will even send in bug fixes and other code 10:02:04 kc5tja: true 10:02:06 Linus didn't just go out to the world and say, "Hey! Who think's Minix is too stable?!" and *bam!* Linux was born. Linux already existed at that point, and he was looking for help in maintaining it. 10:02:09 kc5tja: the essay says that 10:02:12 I don't even have that yet. 10:02:16 --- join: proteus (~irc@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 10:02:26 yeah, the essay says that there has to be a product in place first 10:02:33 before the bazaar style of development can happen 10:02:43 kc5 thats wher i am now 10:03:08 So when I have an initial software base that I'm happy with, I'll release it. Until then, you're all just going to have to suffer. 10:03:25 I can't stand it when people tell me to make "Frequent Releases" when I don't have a THING to show for it yet. 10:03:28 Pisses me right off. 10:03:47 The other thing is, I don't have infinite time reserves to work on my projects. 10:04:02 And even if I did, I'm human, not a computer, and thus I don't have infinite attention span! 10:04:57 kc5 yea i dont like releasing non-working code, ive got quite a bit of unreleased code here, i work in a project then switch after a while to another - they are getting close to releasable state now 10:05:20 right now i DO have infinite time reserve :) 10:05:22 wish i didnt heh 10:05:41 Well, my time is already quite limited, and upon starting classes, they'll be even MORE limited. 10:05:46 i440r: bah, be the uberman, code the world ;) 10:06:22 futhin i already am :) 10:06:25 *snicker* 10:06:29 kc5tja: are you planning on taking only 2 courses for every semester and working full-time? 10:06:41 I have no choice. 10:06:53 yeah 10:06:55 (That's not strictly true; the other choice is to take 1 course) 10:06:59 heheh 10:07:14 but if I want to get my degree in any reasonable length of time, I have to take 2 courses. 10:07:14 do you already have some credit towards some courses at college? 10:07:20 Yes. 10:07:23 ah good 10:07:29 But I'm taking a number of classes over again as a refresher. 10:07:39 After 12 years, you tend to forget a lot of things. 10:07:40 you could possibly try challenging some courses too 10:07:44 ah 10:07:46 yeah true 10:09:11 so are you planning on taking about 5 or 6 years to get the degree? 10:09:35 That's just the AS degree. 10:09:43 AS ? 10:09:48 Associates of Science. 10:10:10 At only 2 courses per semester, I'm going approximately 1/4 the speed I should be going through classes. 10:10:11 in physics? 10:10:14 Yes. 10:10:36 Maybe 1/3rd. 10:10:41 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:10:50 In which case I can reasonably get my degree in about 3 to 4 years. 10:10:51 Physics AS degree in 5-6 years.. and you are hoping to go for another degree? Ph.D ? 10:10:59 Ultimately, yes. 10:11:04 I'm taking each step. 10:11:14 AS first, BS next, MS third, and PH.D fourth. 10:11:21 oh i see 10:11:33 so AS is basically 2 years full-time studying? 10:11:37 But by the time the BS program starts, I hopefully will have enough financial aid to go back to school full time and work part-time. 10:11:39 Yes. 10:12:58 --- quit: proteus () 10:13:07 I guess I'm going back to school too.. but I don't really feel that motivated.. 10:13:45 I'm motivated by virtue of the fact that this is something that I have always wanted to do. I love physics. I have no pretensions of finding a job with this degree. 10:14:36 well i'm not sure if i want to get a software engineering degree, or a computer engineering degree.. or maybe get a biochemistry degree 10:15:51 the engineering route is kind of bullshit, mostly for the "engineering" prestige .. 10:16:11 i kind of screwed myself over, wasn't motivated in school, didn't do any homework, etc.. 10:17:17 so i have to take a bit of a circumabout (sp?) route, but it isn't too bad, 2 courses each semester for fall and winter, and working full-time 10:17:30 hmm 10:17:42 For me, maturity has a lot to do with it. 10:17:56 When I first went into school, I wanted to take electrical engineering (still do, in fact; I just like Physics better!). 10:18:02 I did it because it would land me a job. 10:18:08 yeah 10:18:16 That was apparently the wrong attitude to take. :) 10:18:35 well i blame the engineering route on my dad 10:18:36 heh 10:18:46 Today, I have a job in the electronics field, and the magic it once had for me is now gone. So now I'm going into Physics. 10:19:03 he's like "well why don't you get an engineering degree, for something to fall back on, and then get your biochemistry degrees" 10:20:56 i want to take a 100% accelerated program or something heh.. 4 years compressed into a year 10:21:06 get it over with as quick as possible 10:21:10 Heheh 10:21:12 university is just SOOO slow 10:21:16 I don't. 10:21:17 it's really frigging annoying 10:21:22 I want my education to be naturally spaced. 10:21:38 it's slow enough that i have enough time to distract myself with other things 10:21:39 I don't want to buck the system anymore. THe more radars I'm off of the better. 10:21:48 i want it to be too fast to distract myself 10:22:45 i've heard of some accelerated programs at some colleges 10:23:08 like there's this one for people who want to work as dentist nurses.. 10:23:36 their program is like 6 months or 8 months instead of 2 years 10:23:45 very intense 10:24:44 2 years = 4 semesters.. so they just do it in 2 and 1/2 semester 10:24:51 or something like that 10:25:07 Possibly 6 semesters -- advanced training like that also usually occurs during the summer too. 10:25:26 yeah possibly 10:26:23 if i happened to be really rich, i would approach the university and say "look, i'm very rich, i would like 1-on-1 courses with the best professors and i would like to do 4 years in 1 year" 10:26:40 heh 10:27:26 kc5tja: why do you say you don't want to buck the system anymore? are you just talking about the whole system (education all the way to employment, the society system?) 10:27:46 Yeah 10:28:00 When I first went into college, I got some credits from High School because of my AP exams. 10:28:32 Well, that ultimately screwed me over in college because I couldn't get my financial aid because I wasn't a fulltime student anymore. 10:29:13 I had to spend most of my time finding bullshit classes to take to retain my fulltime status instead of actually doing classwork, and as a result, I got horrific grades that are now part of my permanent academic record. 10:31:42 from what i understand about getting ap credit here in canada, is that you can chose that the credit isn't applicable, and take the courses that you got credit for, and get credit from those courses.. 10:32:03 I didn't do that. 10:32:16 I thought, "Well, hell, I got the credit! May as well take something more advanced!" 10:32:36 Oh I almost forgot about the scheduling issues too. :( Taking more advanced courses earlier on can really create scheduling headaches. 10:33:33 yeah, i've gotten lots of those headaches 10:33:34 heh 10:36:16 couldn't you just start up your own consulting firm and/or do custom programming solutions, and live happily ever after? 10:36:32 Yes. 10:36:40 But that requires a lot of committment on my part. 10:36:44 i don't really want to get a degree if i can just start up a business or get rich some how.. and just do my own thing 10:36:49 After running two ISPs, I'm not sure I want to do that right away. :) 10:36:56 I want some other company to pay for my education for a change. 10:37:04 i just want financial independence 10:37:15 so i can pursue my dreams 10:37:27 I do too, but owning your own business is a lot of responsibility. 10:37:39 I'm not too sure I'm ready to do that again just yet. 10:38:06 yeah 10:38:25 well i wondered about how to make a living coding forth 10:38:53 by being a company that offers customized application solutions to businesses.. 10:38:59 you must code your own forth to start ;o) 10:39:05 could i get away with coding forth? :) 10:39:08 If I do make a living on my own, it'll probably be by teaching aikido. 10:39:25 --- nick: CrowPola -> CrowKilr 10:39:42 Or making some products for use in the amateur radio community. 10:40:19 kc5tja: do you think i would have any trouble coding forth for "customized solutions" for other businesses? :) 10:40:30 s/coding/using 10:40:44 The single biggest problem you'll have is marketing it. 10:40:57 The second biggest problem you'll have is integrating your solutiosn with pre-existing, legacy software systems. 10:41:50 yeah.. well i would try to avoid mentioning forth 10:42:35 i would be aiming for computer illiterate clients ;) 10:43:00 anyone got a pure forth 32bit crc function? 10:43:03 because that's where a lot of the customized applications are going to benefit the client most 10:43:04 no asm in it 10:45:16 -crc a here over negate + crc . ; 10:45:16 crc -crc ; 10:45:20 hehe 10:45:29 that's colorforth source 10:46:01 That's more like a checksum. 10:46:18 CRC is the remainder of the division of two (very large) numbers, one of which is the data being sent. 10:46:45 kc5 i know 10:47:05 I was addressing that more for Futhin. 10:47:13 oh hehe 10:47:26 i actually DIDNT know that till yesterday 10:47:29 the colorforth crc was used for the PNG 10:47:34 Also, the above code is an endless loop. It will never stop. 10:47:42 png stuff 10:50:58 well that's interesting that it's an endless loop 10:51:01 it's actually like that 10:51:03 http://www.merlintec.com/download/color.html 10:55:22 --- quit: goshawk` ("changing servers") 11:00:39 * CrowKilr gfot a call, his laptop is reflashed yhiou!!! BRB! 11:42:24 --- quit: I440r () 11:42:35 --- quit: CrowKilr ("chniak") 11:42:58 --- join: CrowKiller (Forther@Ottawa-HSE-ppp3654484.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 11:45:11 brainstorming is about creating stupid ideas and transmuting them into good ideas 11:55:49 xbox linux is a reality 11:55:55 --- join: Jagos (hamster@213-99-78-190.uc.nombres.ttd.es) joined #forth 11:55:57 xbox-scene.com 12:50:22 --- join: Speuler (~l@pD950253C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 12:50:35 g'day 13:08:25 --- quit: CrowKiller (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:16:30 --- join: marekb (~marekb@p019.as-l025.contactel.cz) joined #forth 13:17:09 --- quit: Jagos ("ME CORRO PROGRAMANDO INFINITAMENTE XD") 13:48:16 --- part: marekb left #forth 14:01:31 --- quit: Speuler (SendQ exceeded) 14:02:34 --- join: Speuler (~l@pD950253C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 14:52:24 --- join: scherrey (~scherrey@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 14:54:43 --- nick: scherrey -> proteusguy 14:55:26 --- quit: proteusguy (Client Quit) 15:07:07 --- join: proteusguy (~scherrey@24.197.147.197) joined #forth 15:09:04 ping 15:10:03 pong. 15:10:45 just switched to new client - trying it out. 15:10:52 anyone done a foth irc client, btw? :-) 15:11:24 None to my knowledge. 15:16:35 I'm just reading the paper listed on the topic. It seems that the premise of it is that forth will never be accepted by the industry because it's too good. Does that sum it up right? 15:18:23 'the' paper? 15:18:41 Forth's Dilema 15:18:44 mma 15:20:21 I don't think I've seen that document yet. 15:21:34 So far an interesting read but I think its conclusion is crap. 15:25:45 OK done. Well- I agree with his goal of finding the "killer ap" but I don't think that forth has "failed" because it's too good. 15:33:31 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@ip-216-25-202-235.vienna.va.fcc.net) joined #forth 15:34:22 hiya all...will be brief here 15:41:35 --- join: I440r (mark4@pool-63.52.217.17.ipls.grid.net) joined #forth 15:41:50 hiya I440r!!! :) 15:42:14 kc5 & I440r: have you guys checkout out the forth work in OpenBIOS project? 15:42:25 No. 15:42:33 re TheBlueWizard 15:43:22 The core of OpenBIOS is a small forth virtual machine. Quite interesting. 15:43:37 It's because it's an implementation of OpenFirmware. 15:43:43 hiya kc5tja 15:47:47 hi :) 15:47:56 i havent 15:49:08 * I440r needs to get a new power supply for one of my boxes 15:49:20 fan stopped working in it 15:49:34 its been sounding like a buz saw for 3 months hehe 15:50:20 hehe 15:50:49 good thing it ain't soundin' like hard drive grindin', about to die a violent death ;) 15:51:19 Well, I'm going to go now. I need to pick spells for my cleric, and start this D&D session. 15:51:35 cool! 15:51:53 kc5 plays d&d ? 15:51:57 too bad I live in WashDC area, or else I'd join that campaign ;) 15:52:09 i never played the real thing but i play ad&d computer games :) 15:52:29 Yes, I play the real thing. :) 15:52:37 OK, gotta go. DM just showed up. 15:52:38 I used to play AD&D while in grad school...was a blast :) 15:52:44 bye kc5tja 15:53:02 Hi all :) 15:53:10 give em hell :) 15:53:19 r/l D&D != 'puter D&D games :) 15:53:44 --- nick: kc5tja -> kc-dnd 15:53:50 * Robert thinks role playing is a total waste of time :) 15:54:18 it is a total waste of time, thats teh whole point heh 15:54:23 tbw i know its not :P 15:54:55 Spend the time with a computer instead ;) 15:54:59 Mmmm... computers. 15:55:24 I440r: IsForth really needs floating-point support, you're forcing me to use gforth now ;) 15:56:06 I don't think it's a waste of time at all...in fact my friend who played with me during that time told me that he learned various tricks from playing to manipulate the idiots at work :) 15:56:23 :) 15:56:30 * Robert laughs. 15:56:42 So... how did he manipulate the poor fools? 15:57:10 and besides, it is a lot of fun! else one will have to ban all sorts of games, Taliban-style....borriiiiing! 15:57:12 :) 15:57:24 when a web site shows $782 for a CASE with power supply i go elsewhere 15:57:54 anything over $60 is TOO MUCH for just a case 15:57:56 Don't we all love talibans? I mean, a goverment that forbids football is truly different :) 15:58:06 Hah. 15:58:07 political stuff....he used to run the game as a DM for a while, so he had to know all those political intrigues (we played in a Dark Sun world campaign) 15:58:11 $782? 15:58:12 and most of these cases look like they were designed by homosexuals 15:58:16 damned girly cases 15:58:24 Ehh... 15:58:25 Robert: lol 15:58:32 I like girly design. 15:58:35 I440r: Bah. 15:58:43 girly cases?! I'd have to see that! 15:58:55 Pink with flowers? 15:59:14 Well... I mean... $782? That's hell of a lot, is that for a cray or something? 15:59:35 i was just typing numbers at random 15:59:51 the server cases cost in the hundreds 15:59:52 cases wearing stockings and eyelashes? :) 16:00:49 Probably. 16:01:03 Find a better definition of "homosexual computer design". 16:01:10 * Robert rollls his eyes. 16:01:12 -l 16:01:38 --- join: proteus (~scherrey@24-197-147-197.charterga.net) joined #forth 16:01:52 * TheBlueWizard decides to send out email spam advertising "Shag those girly cases! Only $782! Call 555 567-4567!" :) 16:02:20 :) 16:09:19 I440r: any idea when 1.09b will be out? 16:11:10 not sure, its sort of ready for release, but im too lazy to do the release yet eheh - i want the assembler in the next (or next but 1) release 16:11:27 how many people are activly waiting on it ? 16:11:29 --- quit: proteusguy (Connection timed out) 16:12:33 "Activly waiting"? 16:12:41 * TheBlueWizard is passively waiting for it :) he doesn't want to pressure I440r 16:12:41 I thought waiting was passive... 16:12:46 I'm kind of waiting for it. 16:12:47 hehe 16:12:48 hehe 16:12:58 I like it's cleanness. 16:13:11 Neat little forth :) 16:13:16 cleanness ? 16:13:20 erh, 16:13:27 Doesn't that word exist? :) 16:14:14 yes 16:14:22 i just wonderd what makes iforth clean ? 16:14:25 isforth 16:14:26 even 16:14:52 * TheBlueWizard is also curious :) 16:15:23 Erhm. 16:15:23 what would make it NOT clean ? 16:15:38 Only forth I've bothered to check the sources of :P 16:15:50 Well, I only compare it to gforth now (only Linux forth i've tried).l 16:15:57 rite 16:16:00 Guess compared to that, everything is clean :P 16:16:02 --- nick: proteus -> proteusguy 16:16:08 lol 16:16:57 heh...first time you ever saw a language X (before that, you never saw anything), you'd think it's great ;) 16:17:14 Hehe ;) 16:17:30 Well, I admit I haven't checked alot of other forths. 16:17:51 But I still think IsForth is neat, and not too big. 16:18:19 when i can metacompile alot of whats built in will be moved out to "optional" extensions 16:18:23 making it even smaller heh 16:18:28 I mean, 54312 ANSI words I'll never even hear about isn't that important, if I'd need that for something, I'll start gforth. 16:18:34 robert have you done any turnkey apps yet ? 16:18:49 I440r: I played with it, haven't done any real apps. 16:19:18 well get ON with it! 16:19:21 :) 16:20:12 Hehe ;) 16:20:13 i shud prolly fix cmove> before the next release too 16:20:20 I've done some math the last days. 16:20:42 and type more TODO stuff before release ;) 16:20:45 With that course done, plus the programming one, that makes a few hours less school every week :P 16:21:23 such as ? 16:21:24 Daddy, can I have floating-point support for IsForth for christmas? :) 16:21:29 what more "todo" ??? :) 16:21:38 robert only in the assembler 16:21:43 hehe 16:21:45 if the assembler is ready by xmas 16:21:53 Awww :-( 16:22:00 please don't ruin a perfectly good forth by putting floating point in it... 16:22:07 Hah. 16:22:14 As an option, of course :) 16:22:58 Sometimes floating-point can be handy, so it should be there when you need it... If you can remove it when you don't need it, even better., 16:23:23 proteusguy isforth wont have a floating point stack, it will support teh floating point instructions tho 16:23:26 floating point is so evil. use rational numbers if you need decimals in your math. 16:23:59 floating point is like recursion. your better off without it :) 16:24:04 Heh. 16:24:04 * I440r ducks 16:24:09 Nah. 16:24:10 indeed! 16:24:10 ;) 16:24:16 I won't hit you, but I don't agree. 16:24:33 You should not use it too much, but sometimes it's handy. 16:24:33 * proteusguy whacks Robert. 16:24:35 agree agree! 16:24:37 anything you can do WITH recursion you can do better without 16:24:46 Heard about the guy using pow(2,x) instead of 1< sound like a song... 16:24:50 me and proteusguy wouldnt lie to you now would we ? 16:24:54 :) 16:24:54 THAT is abuse of floating-point. 16:25:04 ha ha 16:25:24 using an equality operation is an abuse of floating-point. that's the sad truth of it. 16:25:44 I made a few words for numeric integration using floating-point the other day. 16:25:53 I wouldn't like doing that with integer math :) 16:26:45 Hrn, 16:26:48 Getting late. 16:26:50 I440r: as I said in the past, there are areas where recursion is best used...like traversing a binary tree :) 16:26:57 Don't want to wake up after 12 tomorrow ;) 16:27:11 * Robert takes his girly dress off, and goes to bed. 16:27:18 later 16:27:19 Night, all. 16:27:38 bye Robert 16:27:46 lol 16:27:49 * TheBlueWizard doesn't know Robert is a crossdresser 16:28:36 Just kidding, bluejeans and T-shirt is kind of genderless. 16:28:49 well, I must go...bye all! 16:28:53 Bye :) 16:28:54 adios 16:29:09 * Robert pokes I440r for wearing a bra. 16:29:09 Night. 16:29:19 bye Robert 16:29:24 bye proteusguy 16:29:29 lol 16:29:58 * Robert deattaches screen and shuts this terminal down. 16:30:20 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 16:30:49 shouldn't that say "gone forth" rather than "left forth" ???? 16:31:28 lol 16:32:25 ..thank you thank you... I'm here all night... 16:36:34 i want to buy a compute case. i google for computer parts and every fucking link i find has pages that have links to pagets that have links to pages that have links to peple who know someone whose third cousing twice removed can get me a good deal 16:36:36 grrr 16:49:23 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@ip-216-25-202-235.vienna.va.fcc.net) joined #forth 16:49:38 I just got this gizmo that looks like a female version of parallel port on one side and what appears to be an Ethernet jack on the other side...any idea what that is? 16:50:38 yea 16:50:41 its a gizmo 16:50:54