00:00:00 --- log: started forth/02.07.10 04:23:55 --- quit: Fractal (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:25:16 --- join: Fractal (toet@h24-77-171-228.ok.shawcable.net) joined #forth 04:41:49 --- nick: Soap- -> SoapZZz 04:58:34 --- join: dsmith (firewall-u@cherry7.comerica.com) joined #forth 05:02:08 --- join: Fare (fare@samaris.tunes.org) joined #forth 05:11:06 --- join: cleverdra (julianf@0-1pool37-99.nas2.florence1.sc.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 06:03:53 --- quit: cleverdra ("Leaving") 06:35:32 --- join: tathi (~josh@wsip68-15-54-54.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 08:32:11 --- quit: ChanServ (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 08:36:06 --- join: ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) joined #forth 08:36:06 --- mode: carter.openprojects.net set +o ChanServ 08:40:48 --- join: Mongrel (~ant@ool-435249eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined #forth 08:45:47 --- join: cleverdra (julianf@65.137.36.255) joined #forth 08:48:34 --- join: ayrnieu (julianf@65.137.36.255) joined #forth 08:48:59 --- quit: cleverdra (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08:49:10 --- nick: ayrnieu -> cleverdra 09:17:35 --- join: I440r (~mark4@1Cust27.tnt3.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #forth 10:52:43 --- join: ASau (ASau@158.250.48.197) joined #forth 11:21:33 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:36:31 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 11:43:15 --- join: I440r (~mark4@1Cust27.tnt3.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #forth 11:47:17 I440r: Is there a malloc()-like function for IsForth? 11:48:36 ALLOCATE FREE RESIZE, if IsForth has them. 11:49:34 --- quit: Mongrel ("BitchX: more nutritious than a six-pack.") 11:50:05 400 allocate allocate ? 11:50:07 *sob* 11:52:14 im trying to write it now 11:52:50 you can allocate memory from the top of head space but you cant free it up later 11:52:56 its yours once you grab it\ 11:53:03 400 my-buffer-address 11:53:43 Well, that's what I don't want to do :) 11:53:48 I'd like to free it later. 11:54:19 But I'll wait for your code.... /me uses C and BASIC in the mean time. 11:54:30 im working on it now 11:54:39 (: 11:54:43 Good boy. 11:54:49 so far i can allocate a block of read only memory thats totally erased 11:55:08 that would be fine if i could mprotect it to writeable or executable 11:55:22 but being able to read zeros from a block of memory you cant write to is sorta dumb 11:57:41 If you can't FREE it, ALLOCATE it pointless :-/ 11:58:15 err you can free it but you cant allocate multiple blocks and free them out of order 11:58:25 That's still wierd, but OK. 11:58:50 I440r - how are you implementing ALLOCATE ? 12:04:41 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@wsip68-15-54-54.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 12:04:48 --- join: TGBorg (~ecl@fantasio.transgaming.com) joined #forth 12:05:30 A great many thanks to whoever was telling me how cool vim is. it's miles better than emacs 12:06:38 You're welcome. 12:07:07 are you kidding me? 12:07:11 xemacs smokes it 12:07:37 Both are nice. 12:07:50 I tend to prefer vim, because it's programmable in Perl/Python/Ruby. 12:08:18 all crappy languages 12:08:43 all of them except for Perl/Python/Ruby, sure. 12:09:01 cleverdra: im trying to map /dev/zero 12:09:17 I440r - hm. 12:09:25 but th eproblem is that most people only have READ access on that device so i can only map it as readable 12:09:37 so i can allocate a huge read only block of erased memory 12:09:42 very usefull eh ? 12:09:57 No, not very. 12:10:01 Maybe /dev/mem ? 12:10:01 exactly 12:10:06 I440r: if I were you, I'd 1) implement a linux specific version 2) document the linux-specificity 3) for extra credits, write a portable version that creates and destroys a file 12:10:32 fare thats a non solution realy 12:10:43 i want to be able to allocate a SHARED block of erased memory 12:10:47 why not a solution? 12:10:49 but you cant seem to do that 12:11:01 of course you can. With linux, MAP_ANONYMOUS 12:11:06 maybe on solaris, too 12:11:11 map anon is LINUX ONLY 12:11:28 I440r: write your own OS 12:11:42 herk i have absolutely NO interest in writing an entire operating system 12:11:46 just my forht compiler 12:12:19 bugger 12:12:47 what are you going to use it for? 12:14:27 MAP_ANON exists in OpenBSD 12:14:37 and probably the equivalent exists in any modern Unix. 12:16:16 of course, MAP_ANON in obsd requires slightly different calling conventions than MAP_ANONYMOUS in linux 12:18:12 the whole point of using /dev/zero is to end up with erased memory 12:18:31 I440r: what are you going to do with your forth compiler? 12:18:47 lots of things 12:18:56 i want to do a web browser, a web server 12:19:00 an mud serverr/client 12:19:03 an irc server/client 12:20:01 cool :) me too. (except the mud server and irc server) 12:20:04 anything else i think of 12:20:19 might do some cheezy console games :) 12:20:26 throw in a code editor and I say it's worth writing the rest of the OS 12:21:31 --- join: gdm (gdm@gedamo.demon.co.uk) joined #forth 12:21:55 --- nick: gdm -> gedamo 12:22:20 --- quit: gedamo (Client Quit) 12:22:39 --- join: gedamo (gdm@gedamo.demon.co.uk) joined #forth 12:22:39 --- quit: gedamo (Remote closed the connection) 12:23:00 im in 2 minds as to weather or not to do an editor 12:23:14 *nix editors are all (repeat ALL) piles of shit 12:23:19 --- join: gedamo (gdm@gedamo.demon.co.uk) joined #forth 12:23:48 but writing an editor is not my idea of a good time :P 12:27:34 Why not? Editors are easy. Do you want me to write one? 12:27:57 I440r: with MAP_ANON, the memory will be erased. 12:28:07 Also, mud clients are easy. /me digs up his copious mud-client research and designs. 12:28:25 fare not with map anonymous it wont 12:28:54 * cleverdra doesn't do much MUD work anymore, seeing as his linux machine is offline. 12:34:46 anyway 12:34:52 perl, python and ruby are such utter crap 12:35:42 Ah. Thank you for sharing that with me -- before I was only aware that you thought them to be 'crappy', but now that you say they are 'such utter crap', I have a totally new perspective open to me. 12:36:01 --- quit: TGBorg ("Client Exiting") 12:36:52 i mean, really, what's the point? 12:37:01 why not use *forth* for *everything? 12:37:08 n_ exactly!!!!! 12:37:08 instead of some half-baked scripting languages 12:37:15 heh 12:37:17 that are more complicated than they need be 12:37:29 see... now you are starting to get the whole point of isforth :) 12:38:02 someone contacted me about continuing to hack on my eforth port 12:38:10 I redirected him to isforth 12:38:23 neat 12:38:27 cool heh 12:38:27 who was it ? 12:38:33 I440r: btw, i was hacking your 8051.f yesterday 12:38:40 added some new features... 12:38:41 n_ cool!! 12:38:43 such as ? 12:38:53 :) 12:40:26 Joe Sypniewski 12:43:29 n_: what features did you add ? 12:58:07 n_: ? 13:31:02 --- join: CrowKiller (Vapo_Rulez@cnq5-233.cablevision.qc.ca) joined #forth 13:32:15 hello Crow 13:33:38 hi 13:34:24 I discovered the twiki concept and it inspired me a lot of stuff, ill post it tonight at sleepless nights twiki 13:34:51 Oh, you're on sleepless-nights? 13:34:56 what's the difference between twiki and wiki? 13:35:06 twiki is a wiki written in Perl. 13:35:16 wierd 13:35:41 CrowKiller - what's your wikiname? 13:35:52 AdamMarquis 13:36:05 my real name ;p 13:37:48 ill try to post later the stuff I wrote today.. at 2 am; this wiki is really about sleepless-nights 13:41:11 --- nick: CrowKiller -> CrowBrb 13:47:36 --- quit: CrowBrb ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 13:52:41 --- join: Etaoin (~david@ljk32.sat.net) joined #forth 14:03:02 --- quit: gedamo ("xchat exiting..") 14:41:30 --- quit: cleverdra ("Leaving") 14:44:41 --- quit: Herkamire ("leaving") 15:30:42 --- quit: I440r ("bbl") 16:02:31 --- quit: dsmith (Remote closed the connection) 16:37:02 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@ip68-9-58-81.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 16:40:08 --- join: futhin (~thin@h24-64-175-61.cg.shawcable.net) joined #forth 16:41:43 hmmm.. cereal and yogurt (as a milk substitute) doesn't really taste that good heh 16:46:26 --- quit: Herkamire ("Lost terminal") 17:02:56 --- quit: futhin ("restarting comp") 17:26:22 --- join: CrowKiller (~Vapo_Rule@cnq5-233.cablevision.qc.ca) joined #forth 17:46:45 --- quit: CrowKiller ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 18:09:30 --- join: CrowKiller (Vapo_Rulez@cnq5-233.cablevision.qc.ca) joined #forth 19:38:33 --- quit: Fare (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19:42:05 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@ip68-7-162-51.sd.sd.cox.net) joined #forth 19:45:27 hi 19:47:04 re 19:47:24 * kc5tja just finally figured out how to use the SWR meter on his radio. 19:49:12 was it a new one? 19:50:12 never used one, but in high power systems that seemed quite important to get a good SWR ratio when i red in the past about homemade radios 19:53:46 This is a radio that I've had at least since last Thanksgiving holiday (last November) 19:54:06 you're a HAM? 19:54:06 I've only now figured out how to goad it into working. The instruction booklet that came with the rig wasn't very clear on this particular point. 19:54:09 * kc5tja nods 19:54:16 have you used ax.25 at all? 19:54:41 CrowKiller: Unless your radio is built for high impedances, you really, really do want very low SWR. This is true not only for high powered stuff, but also for low-powered stuff as well. 19:54:43 n_: Yes. 19:59:38 And actually, even if it is designed for high impedances, you want low SWR to minimize RF energy in the radio shack. 20:01:15 yeah, because if the swr is high, power is reflected back into the gear and dont radiate entirely through the antenna 20:03:47 Right. 20:59:27 --- quit: CrowKiller ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 21:23:54 --- nick: kc5tja -> kc-food 21:34:24 --- join: njd (junk@njd.paradise.net.nz) joined #forth 21:44:34 --- nick: kc-food -> kc5tja 21:59:30 --- quit: njd ("subaru tecnica international | nissan motorsports international") 22:12:16 --- join: MJS (~MJS@ppp20-capac.klondyke.net) joined #forth 22:22:59 --- part: MJS left #forth 22:34:31 --- quit: skylan (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 22:34:31 --- quit: n_ (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 22:35:22 --- part: ASau left #forth 22:48:55 --- join: skylan (sjh@Sprint270.tbaytel.net) joined #forth 22:52:22 --- nick: kc5tja -> kc-food 23:13:22 --- nick: kc-food -> kc5tja 23:29:06 --- join: Mongrel (~ant@ool-435249eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/02.07.10