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09:10:22 <rob_ert> Hey :)
09:10:58 <I440r> hi
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09:54:40 <Etaoin> hi
09:54:51 <rob_ert> Hi Etaoin :)
09:56:28 <Etaoin> rob_ert: what are you doing?
09:58:00 <rob_ert> Working on my page...
09:58:08 <rob_ert> Also looking around for good PIC kits.
09:58:24 <CrowKiller> dont go for PICs
09:58:34 <rob_ert> I like coding on them, but when it comes to electronics, I have a tendency to screw everything up.
09:58:35 <CrowKiller> check texas instruments msp430 kits
09:58:59 <rob_ert> Hm, OK. Do they have info in their page?
09:59:04 <CrowKiller> they are perfect to "hack" devices, because they dont eat power at all
09:59:15 <CrowKiller> they can be powered with potatoes
09:59:20 <rob_ert> Heh.
09:59:29 <rob_ert> Well, I do have batteries ;)
09:59:47 <CrowKiller> http://www.ti.com/sc/docs/products/micro/msp430/msp430.htm
09:59:59 <rob_ert> OK, thanks...
10:01:57 <rob_ert> Hmm... they seem nice, but I don't need low-power things :) The ideal would be a Microchip PIC17* or similar, with a programmer.
10:02:45 <CrowKiller> use AVRs
10:02:52 <CrowKiller> they arenot low power
10:02:52 <rob_ert> What's that?
10:02:58 <CrowKiller> but they're a lot easier to code for
10:03:04 <CrowKiller> Atmel's micricontrollers
10:03:08 <CrowKiller> microcontrollers
10:03:26 <rob_ert> Hm, OK.
10:03:41 <rob_ert> I find the Microchip ones quite neat, too.
10:03:42 <CrowKiller> i programmed with both
10:04:16 <CrowKiller> and IMHO avrs are better, unless you're coding with SX@50MHz
10:04:31 <rob_ert> Hmm... I want to find some kits.
10:04:38 <rob_ert> Cheap :)
10:04:52 <CrowKiller> avr can be programmed with a parallel port
10:04:58 <rob_ert> With programmer, and a simple test board.
10:05:00 <CrowKiller> and some basic discrete parts
10:05:22 <rob_ert> Well, I can screw up even that :-/
10:05:26 <CrowKiller> msp430 can use any circuit, from your cd player or your computer's port to get power
10:05:54 <CrowKiller> at least try, very easy circuit to do
10:06:04 <CrowKiller> wont you cost much if you screw up
10:06:18 <rob_ert> I already tried with a 16f84a
10:06:24 <rob_ert> I screwed it up :(
10:07:24 <CrowKiller> did you researched why it didnt work?
10:07:52 <CrowKiller> maybe you screwed up your components by using a 40w iron, liek I first did in my first circuit ever ;p
10:08:43 <rob_ert> Hehe.
10:08:46 <CrowKiller> i use a 10 Watt iron now, no problems, if you keep the heat away from your circuit when soldering
10:08:54 <CrowKiller> i rarely use circuit boards
10:09:14 <CrowKiller> i stack up components by soldering them direclty to each other
10:09:14 <rob_ert> But I'd like one :-/
10:09:19 <CrowKiller> and when dealing with chips
10:09:26 <CrowKiller> i use sockets
10:09:30 <rob_ert> That's what I tried, but it didn't work too well :)
10:09:49 <CrowKiller> i solder the socket and at the end, i put the chip on
10:10:00 <CrowKiller> hmmm diodes are easy to burn up with excess heat
10:10:06 <CrowKiller> or even static discharges
10:10:17 <rob_ert> :-/
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