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09:25:34 <rob_ert> Hi Herkamire :)
09:25:40 <Herkamire> hi :)
09:26:00 <Herkamire> I just installed gentoo linux :) very cool
09:26:27 <rob_ert> Nice. I'm using Debian on my 2 computers, and I'm chatting from a box in the basement with NetBSD.
09:26:30 <rob_ert> I like both.
09:40:02 <Herkamire> gentoo runs off source and little scripts. 
09:40:33 <Herkamire> when you tell it to install something it downloads the source, and compiles and installs it for you (and the same for any required software)
09:41:16 <rob_ert> Same in NetBSD.
09:44:59 <Herkamire> cool. yeah, they said it was based on the Ports system from bsd
09:45:14 <rob_ert> :)
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10:17:47 <Speuler> 'day
10:19:49 <Herkamire> 'lo
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19:01:33 <CrowKiller> i got my polled keyboard i/o routines running and a neat 4 assembly lines a20 gate activation routine for PC98 compliant PCs
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20:31:04 <Etaoin> CrowKiller: you have no idea how much joy that fills me with.
20:35:03 <CrowKiller> no one talks here anymore, so i just try to put something on the table
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20:51:32 <Etaoin> okay
20:51:35 <Etaoin> I understand
20:52:01 <Etaoin> I'm sorry for being so caustic.
20:53:28 <Etaoin> CrowKiller: that's more than I have done today.
20:54:46 <Herkamire> can anyone recomend a good console-based text editor for linux that does syntax coloring and is easy to configure the keys?
20:55:14 <Herkamire> I'm looking for something smaller than emacs
20:55:37 <Herkamire> and it has to support the meta key
20:56:36 <Herkamire> please /msg me to discuss vim if you know much about it
20:59:13 <CrowKiller> im in the process of writing my editor myself
20:59:28 <CrowKiller> im investigating video memory programming and gui concepts
20:59:46 <CrowKiller> my goals are that it must be the smallest possible
20:59:52 <CrowKiller> and do coloring
21:00:05 <CrowKiller> and be extensible and i think i got an idea
21:00:20 <CrowKiller> the editor itself is very simple indeed
21:00:51 <Herkamire> cool
21:00:52 <CrowKiller> its a loop  reading untranslated scancode from the keyboard and doing a table lookup
21:01:07 <CrowKiller> theres a code for each  scancode
21:01:15 <CrowKiller> the code can change that master table
21:01:30 <CrowKiller> and thus the editor is ultra simple yet ultra powerful
21:01:41 <CrowKiller> easy to expand also
21:02:01 <CrowKiller> i hope to make this stuff fit into a bootsector
21:02:02 <CrowKiller> lol
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21:02:10 <Herkamire> are you talking about polling the keyboard? or just calling "key" or the like
21:02:15 <CrowKiller> thats my challenge;p
21:02:21 <CrowKiller> polling the 8042
21:02:28 <Herkamire> you are making an OS?
21:02:34 <CrowKiller> no a to the metal editor
21:02:48 <CrowKiller> a Forth system in fact ;p
21:03:07 <CrowKiller> the system will be so simple
21:03:15 <CrowKiller> the compiler will be a assembler macro
21:03:24 <CrowKiller> readable by any fellow human out there
21:03:29 <Herkamire> won't you write "key"?
21:03:47 <CrowKiller> key?
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21:04:16 <Herkamire> the forth word KEY. it waits for a keypress then returns the ascii code
21:04:43 <CrowKiller> i dont bother returning ascii codes, at least not for the moment
21:04:53 <CrowKiller> but yes
21:05:00 <CrowKiller> to trabslate what goes on the screen
21:05:27 <CrowKiller> or maybe construct my own keyboard outputting directly the correct scan codes for each character
21:05:33 <CrowKiller> hmmm
21:06:11 <Herkamire> I recommend getting your code that translates to text characters in one place
21:06:34 <Herkamire> (unless you are the only one who will use the system)
21:06:53 <CrowKiller> you're right about this
21:06:58 <CrowKiller> very awkward
21:08:07 <CrowKiller> each word call the word key
21:08:24 <CrowKiller> ill try to fit this into less than 512 bytes
21:08:29 <CrowKiller> 510 bytes in fact
21:08:35 <CrowKiller> no less than that
21:08:38 <CrowKiller> anyway brb
21:18:21 <CrowKiller> re
21:20:28 <CrowKiller> my code now is 210 bytes long
21:20:37 <CrowKiller> i got the following functionality:
21:20:52 <CrowKiller> - interrupts cleared
21:21:12 <CrowKiller> - floppy motor turned off by a command (stealth wise)
21:21:30 <CrowKiller> - 32 bit flat mode unlocked
21:22:02 <CrowKiller> - enough keyboard routine to read keybaord scan codes
21:22:14 <CrowKiller> like a initialize, a wait for ack from the 8042, etc
21:22:41 <CrowKiller> and the main loop outputting every scan code directly from the wire to screen without translation
21:22:53 <CrowKiller> and rebooting when the screen is full
21:23:23 <CrowKiller> i use the b8000h + (80*25*2) bytes video memory area
21:24:09 <CrowKiller> all that is only taking 210 bytes, and could surely take less
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21:25:58 <Herkamire> very cool
21:26:26 <CrowKiller> asm programmin is woth every minute you give to it
21:26:48 <Herkamire> I want to mess around with making an OS, but now I'm waiting for tathi to finish making his bootable etc.
21:26:55 <Herkamire> so I can start with what he's made
21:27:05 <CrowKiller> my code is bootable the code works
21:27:09 <CrowKiller> written for nasm
21:27:13 <Herkamire> excelent
21:27:19 <Herkamire> I really  think forth should be an OS
21:27:21 <CrowKiller> ill try to finish the editor and post it somewhere
21:27:55 <Herkamire> when you run forth inside another OS you have to write a million words to hoock to OS features (like screen access, filesystem etc)
21:28:02 <CrowKiller> I'm  practising what I preach, for once ;p
21:28:02 <CrowKiller> eh
21:28:18 <CrowKiller> that's why I dont like it very much
21:28:33 <CrowKiller> i like to think of assembly words as "kernel" words
21:28:55 <CrowKiller> maybe I want a fetch plus and the other a plus fetch
21:29:27 <CrowKiller> just rewriting it in assembly in a forth editor made to make the binding between asm and forth clear and useful
21:29:46 <CrowKiller> ill try to make that dream come true ;p
21:30:05 <CrowKiller> aha from Jeff Fox is really my main source of inspiration here
21:30:31 <CrowKiller> this system must get used, taught, shown, to everyone, even kids
21:30:53 <CrowKiller> why bother a kid with Learn C and then come talk about programming with me another time
21:31:23 <CrowKiller> when they could know the system inner's working by heart in a week or 2
21:32:41 <Herkamire> tathi is making a native forth
21:33:06 <CrowKiller> is he compiling it using NASM?
21:33:12 <Herkamire> that makes it harder to make because he has to flush the processors' instruction caches etc.
21:33:17 <Herkamire> no. we use PPC
21:33:46 <CrowKiller> i got a 200$ reason to learn PPC assembly
21:33:53 <CrowKiller> my nintendo gamecube
21:34:28 <CrowKiller> ill try to investiguate these particular matters of the ppc
21:34:44 <Herkamire> he's got that figured out and working.
21:35:14 <CrowKiller> then I'll learn PPC assembly by looking at his code ;p
21:35:27 <Herkamire> he just hasn't gotten to memory setup and drivers for booting it yet.
21:35:32 <Herkamire> it works under linux now
21:36:17 <Herkamire> that's basically what I'm doing. I started reading a book on PPC asm and it was stupid. now I look at his code and ask him questions (mostly "what does that do?")
21:36:59 <Herkamire> and I've helped finding some bugs, so it might even be worth his while :)
21:37:07 <CrowKiller> hehehe ;p
21:40:02 <Herkamire> well, I'm going to bed.
21:40:07 <Herkamire> later
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