00:00:00 --- log: started forth/02.06.24 01:15:42 --- join: Serg_penguin (~snaga_NOI@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 01:15:57 hi 01:20:58 --- quit: Serg_penguin () 01:23:49 --- quit: skylan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:23:51 --- join: skylan (sjh@207.164.213.89) joined #forth 02:54:18 --- join: Serg_penguin (~snaga_NOI@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 03:04:17 Privet. 03:04:30 hi :) 03:05:07 will go and return often - checking hardware ;) 03:05:15 cd-rw's today :) 03:05:16 Okay. 03:06:02 i wrote my damn parser ;( 03:06:19 but in both forths it is buggy ;( 03:06:25 Awww :( 03:06:36 the different way =8-{z} 03:06:50 look : 03:07:07 : > begin ascii < word count type 03:07:15 nl? if exit then 03:07:23 cr query again ; 03:07:44 : nl? >in @ span ( or tib# ) @ = ; 03:08:00 nl? ifNOT exit then, typo ! 03:08:15 that's all ! 03:08:28 text between > and < is dumped to stdout 03:08:42 between < and > - executed by forth 03:09:33 but first forth crashes after 100 or 200 lines 03:10:31 second - it works from console, but on INCLUDE - stops on first space in second line ;( 03:10:35 I don't think I can help you :-/ 03:11:33 surely ;( it seems to be scompiler-specific 03:11:57 but u may try it in u'r forth, if it's interesting for u ;) 03:13:55 --- quit: Serg_penguin ("gonna swap a damn thing...") 03:16:22 --- quit: rob_ert (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:17:12 --- join: Serg_penguin (~snaga_NOI@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 03:18:16 re hi 03:20:16 then i'll debug parser, i'll write DOES> word INCLUDER 03:20:30 INCLUDER TITLE 03:21:11 will read its own name from vocabulary and include a file from this name from predefined location 03:21:32 with this name ;) 03:21:47 kewl ? 03:22:59 < TITLE > Great book on Forth < /title > 03:23:37 echo > title.beg 03:24:03 echo > title.end 03:24:12 looks like SOMETHING ? 03:24:28 will be a cool site engine ;) 03:25:33 --- quit: Serg_penguin () 03:27:18 --- join: rob_ert (~robert@h237n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #forth 03:27:52 --- join: Serg_penguin (~snaga_NOI@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 03:28:10 re hi 03:28:24 did u caught what i typed on INCLUDER word ? 03:28:25 Hi :) 03:28:40 Yes, but please, I'm no forth expert :) 03:28:47 ;( 03:29:01 --- quit: Serg_penguin (Client Quit) 03:30:14 --- quit: rob_ert (Client Quit) 03:31:35 --- join: rob_ert (~robert@h237n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #forth 03:33:37 --- join: Serg_penguin (~snaga_NOI@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 03:33:43 re hi 03:33:53 :) 03:34:38 what's for being 'expert' - please NEVER devaluate yourself, it's a sin ;) 03:35:05 i'm not 'expert' too - maybe, 100 hours from winter 03:35:49 and i dunno know inner guts of forth well - but i wanna write fancy proggies ;) 03:35:58 ;) 03:36:01 brb 03:36:04 --- quit: rob_ert (Client Quit) 03:37:31 --- join: rob_ert (~robert@h237n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #forth 03:38:02 rebooted ? ;) 03:43:37 --- quit: Serg_penguin ("swapping rusted trash...") 03:47:52 --- join: Serg_penguin (~snaga_NOI@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 03:47:53 --- join: Stepan (~stepan@Charybdis.suse.de) joined #forth 03:48:01 :-) 03:48:52 Hi Stepan :) 03:48:56 Good morning. 03:50:50 --- quit: Serg_penguin (Client Quit) 03:55:57 --- join: Serg_penguin (~snaga_NOI@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 04:01:27 --- quit: Serg_penguin () 04:08:50 --- join: Serg_penguin (~snaga_NOI@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 04:16:50 --- quit: Serg_penguin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04:17:43 --- join: cleverdra (julianf@0-1pool37-120.nas2.florence1.sc.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 04:19:10 Hi cleverdra :) 04:30:39 --- quit: davidw (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04:49:40 hi rob_ert =) 04:56:24 --- join: mur (ammu@baana-62-165-190-6.phnet.fi) joined #forth 04:59:56 --- join: davidw (~davidw@adsl-32-74.38-151.net24.it) joined #forth 05:08:24 --- quit: mur ("MURR! end of file reached. continuing filling logs some other time.") 05:10:41 --- nick: air -> air2 05:26:26 --- quit: davidw (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05:26:53 --- join: Serg_penguin (~snaga_NOI@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 05:27:04 re hi ! 05:27:38 hello Serg. 05:27:42 hi 05:27:43 Hi. 05:28:03 i wrote my damn parcer - do u remember me talking on it ? 05:28:43 mmm, yes, yes I do. COMMENT: ..such. Variable interpolation. text-processor. 05:28:49 but it's buggy in both forts i use ;( 05:28:55 look: 05:29:15 : > begin ascii < word count type 05:29:27 nl? if exit then 05:29:35 cr query again ; 05:29:43 : nl >in @ span @ = ; 05:29:58 that's all ! 05:30:22 text between > < is echoed 05:30:29 * cleverdra nods. 05:30:30 between < > - executed 05:30:47 sorry, nl? ifNOT exit then 05:31:11 will down now, swapping hardware to be checked 05:31:13 --- quit: Serg_penguin (Client Quit) 05:37:21 --- join: Serg_penguin (~snaga_NOI@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 05:37:49 re hi 05:38:28 next i'll vectorize TYPE and CR for this parser 05:39:25 What does NL? do? 05:39:41 so they will not only echo, but, say, write to file or render visually, or add to database 05:40:07 checks did WORD returned because of newline or found end symbol 05:40:23 if >in = span - it hit end of line 05:40:30 ah, that's what I thought. It returns TRUE if it found the end? 05:40:42 yes 05:40:57 So, how is this buggy? 05:41:41 in one forth (64k dos ) it crashes after a few pages of echo 05:42:26 Does QUERY return anything? 05:42:31 in 2-nd ( dos dpmi32) it worcs from console, but from INCLUDE it crashes on second word of second line 05:42:56 it returns pointer to gallows ;( 05:43:10 serg - really? You might want to drop it, then 05:43:41 no, just 'program performed illegal operation' in win98 05:44:20 Do you know in what word the crash happens? 05:45:46 no, how can i know ? 05:46:26 : nl? 1 . key drop ... ; : > 2 . key drop ... ; 05:47:06 might be helpful on the dpmi32 Forth 05:47:49 64k forth crashes, dpmi one err's normaly: unknown word 05:48:05 but it should be echoed, not tryed to execute ! 05:49:04 I keep thinking that QUERY is the problem, but I'm not sure, since I never use it. Maybe if you change that to REFILL DROP ? 05:49:27 or REFILL 0= UNTIL some-error ; 05:49:31 : name. latest >name count type ; immediate 05:49:45 what is REFILL ? 05:50:23 REFILL refills TIB 05:50:32 damn, n/mind name. 05:50:33 and returns true if it was successful. 05:51:14 I sometimes find myself writing words like 05:51:52 like name. ? 05:53:30 * cleverdra shakes his head, scattering cobwebs. 05:54:19 Because I deal often with line-oriented Forths, and I want parsing words to go over multiple lines, I write words that REFILL a lot, generally when PARSE returns a zero-length string. 05:54:40 what is PARSE ? 05:54:45 WORD COUNT 05:54:54 more ANS Forthism. 05:55:01 : parse word count ; ? 05:55:04 * cleverdra nods. 05:55:18 nods ???? 05:55:33 I mean: yes, that definition works. 05:55:42 ok 05:56:05 in my 64k gp-forth, : print count type ; ;) 05:56:23 oh, going crazzy... 05:56:41 When you say that it's trying to execute a word it should never see, I think that > must be exiting before it ought to. 05:56:54 ok 05:57:21 Maybe have NL? IF ." OK, exiting" KEY DROP EXIT THEN 05:57:38 does REFILL works untill TIB is full, even over newlines ? 05:57:40 where KEY DROP is just so you can see the message before the crash 05:57:58 does it merge short lines in one TIBfull ? 05:58:06 Serg - on a line-oriented forth, REFILL only pulls in text until a newline. 05:58:45 At least, that's how it seems to work. WORD and PARSE and friends won't work over a newline. 05:59:22 k 06:00:18 --- quit: Serg_penguin () 06:03:22 --- join: Serg_penguin (~snaga_NOI@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 06:03:32 sorry for abrupt leaving 06:03:41 testing cd-rw's 06:04:06 No, it's OK. You've already done it several times without apologizing, and I've stopped being annoyed =) 06:08:05 so i'll do every damn thing step'wise and type results in between ? 06:08:41 You don't have to. I'd start by seeing where > exits 06:11:15 how ? 06:11:31 it works on 1'st line of INCLUDED file 06:11:40 NL? IF ." OK, exiting" KEY DROP EXIT THEN 06:11:56 and says Err: line 2 pos 8 - unknown word 06:12:40 i mean 'where' at input stream 06:14:11 --- quit: Serg_penguin ("damn burners...") 06:21:29 --- quit: air2 ("CRIA v0.2.3pre -- http://www.qzx.com/cria") 06:21:36 --- join: air (~brand@12-254-199-50.client.attbi.com) joined #forth 06:41:56 --- join: davidw (~davidw@adsl-32-74.38-151.net24.it) joined #forth 06:42:56 --- join: Serg_penguin (~snaga_NOI@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 06:43:51 re hi 06:44:38 while using Bugland turbo pascal, i very used to single-stepping and wars watching 06:44:47 can i do such in forth ? 06:45:18 vars watching... what a nasty habit mixing v and w .... 06:46:47 Serg_penguin: u can say "dbg word2dbg" in gfort 06:46:48 h 06:47:38 ;) but i dunno use gort 06:48:00 what are its advantages ? 06:48:13 it can't save exe's... 06:48:41 how fast it is ? 06:49:53 but i can, ithink 06:50:37 gforth, supposedly, is very fast. It wants to be fast. One of its goals is being fast. Its authors seem satisfied that, among goals, they've definitely hit fast. 06:51:13 They say that gforth probably cannot be made faster for RISC architecture, anyway. 06:53:18 are where any benchmarks of forth on common algorithms ? 06:53:28 compared to gcc or asm... 06:53:39 of different forths i mean ;) 06:57:13 4 all gods damn that blasted cd-rw's !!!!! 06:57:38 --- quit: Serg_penguin () 07:00:07 Hooray, colors! 07:00:21 rob_ert: ? 07:00:33 Serg's last message. 07:00:38 Is in red. 07:00:51 ah 07:01:05 I'm doing CGI in Forth now :) 07:01:26 its a rather simple thing.. 07:02:41 --- quit: davidw (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 07:03:10 Thunder. 07:03:10 bbl 07:03:15 --- quit: rob_ert ("leaving") 07:13:32 --- join: Serg_penguin (~snaga_NOI@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 07:13:37 re hi 07:14:16 re hi 07:14:28 what happens ? 07:14:48 n/mind, glitch ;) 07:17:12 work is over, no more damn cd-rw,s 07:21:15 --- join: davidw (~davidw@adsl-32-74.38-151.net24.it) joined #forth 07:29:35 --- quit: Stepan ("Do you think it is air you are breathing? Hmm?") 07:39:03 --- quit: Serg_penguin () 07:46:10 --- quit: davidw (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08:49:57 --- join: rob_ert (~robert@h237n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #forth 09:35:56 --- join: ASau (ASau@158.250.48.197) joined #forth 09:37:08 Hello! 09:37:40 Hello, ASau 09:44:39 Hi :) 09:45:05 Priwet, rob_ert! 09:45:19 Privet, clevendra! 09:45:37 What language is Privet? 09:50:08 cleverdra: Russian. 09:50:49 ah. I'm meeting so many Russian-speaking people on OPN these days. 09:57:51 Privet, ASau. 10:01:42 --- join: I440r (~mark4@1Cust191.tnt1.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #forth 10:01:47 --- join: davidw (~davidw@adsl-32-74.38-151.net24.it) joined #forth 10:03:19 Privet, I440r, davidw. 10:10:45 Hey I440r! 10:10:51 Privet, tavatitj. 10:11:02 I440r: I'm using IsForth for CGI... 10:11:09 I440r: But I have a little problem. 10:12:02 I440r: Wake up :P 10:18:19 --- join: ayrnieu (julianf@0-1pool37-120.nas2.florence1.sc.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 10:18:34 --- quit: cleverdra (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:18:49 --- nick: ayrnieu -> cleverdra 10:18:53 wb :) 10:19:05 gracie 10:35:52 hi 10:35:55 sorry im awake heh 10:36:01 whats your little problem :P 10:37:20 Hehe. 10:37:47 Go to http://ostling.no-ip.com/cgi-bin/test.f 10:37:53 Then try to do something like: 10:38:05 http://ostling.no-ip.com/cgi-bin/test.f?My¶meters&here 10:39:46 The latter will look something like: 10:39:47 Length: 11 10:39:47 Query string: =Hellothere 10:39:47 Hellothere ? 10:40:01 nope 10:40:11 thats not what i get 10:40:15 How can I prevent IsForth from trying to interpret Hellothere? 10:40:16 Not? 10:40:18 Paste. 10:40:34 Length: 16 10:40:34 Query string: =My¶meters&h 10:40:34 My\¶meters\&here ? 10:41:31 Yeah 10:41:37 Same thing., 10:41:54 ISForth tries to run the word "My\¶meters\&here" 10:43:31 well thats what gets passed to it then i guess 10:43:40 you neeed to parse 10:43:49 i dont think the & needs to be quoted either 10:43:56 My¶meters&here 10:44:04 isnt that supposed to work ? 10:44:19 Well, doesn't IsForth get that in the commandline? 10:45:39 no idea but if it does you need to pass it a - aswell 10:45:41 no 10:45:42 erm 10:45:51 doesnt isforth see it come in from stdin ? 10:45:57 ive no idea heh 11:03:07 i gtg mow grass 11:03:08 grr 11:05:43 OK 11:06:21 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@stampede.org) joined #forth 11:07:05 Hi kc5tja. 11:07:15 Howdy 11:20:38 --- join: dsmith (firewall-u@cherry7.comerica.com) joined #forth 11:28:03 --- join: Speuler (~l@195.30.184.4) joined #forth 11:28:19 g'day 11:29:37 Hi Speuler. 11:31:02 god dag the_rob 11:34:40 --- join: miket2 (Mike@62.60.90.208) joined #forth 11:35:42 --- part: miket2 left #forth 11:37:10 OK, I really wish I could replicate this bug in the software. So far, nothing. :( 11:45:16 --- join: mur (ammu@baana-62-165-188-200.phnet.fi) joined #forth 11:51:39 Hej mur. 11:52:37 terve rob_ert 11:52:46 Terve :) 11:53:08 --- quit: Speuler (Remote closed the connection) 12:00:01 --- quit: I440r () 12:13:05 --- quit: mur ("bb in a sec") 12:28:14 back 12:28:56 * kc5tja had to do it -- there is a gorgeous 2nd generation Mazda RX-7 in our company's parking lot. I just had to park mine next ot his. :) 12:39:29 --- join: XeF4 (enmbcn@12-245-116-85.client.attbi.com) joined #forth 13:11:54 --- quit: XeF4 ("Hey! Where'd my controlling terminal go?") 13:12:57 OK, I'm going for food. 13:12:59 --- nick: kc5tja -> kc-food 13:15:29 --- join: XeF4 (gripyj@12-245-116-85.client.attbi.com) joined #forth 14:00:08 --- quit: cleverdra ("Leaving") 14:09:05 --- nick: kc-food -> kc5tja 14:14:39 --- join: I440r (~mark4@1Cust191.tnt1.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #forth 14:22:11 Hey. 14:22:22 Do you think you can help me with IsForth an CGI? 14:22:28 andÄ 14:22:29 and* 14:23:39 i dunno 14:24:01 im not even sure you can use isforth for cgi atm 14:24:06 isforth isnt exactly re-entrant 14:24:10 which i NEED to fixc 14:24:12 fix 14:24:29 maybe 14:26:25 Hrm. 14:26:37 Fix! Fix! :P 14:26:43 Or recommend another good Linux forth. 14:26:53 But without IsForth it's no fun :( 14:27:27 hehe 14:27:45 you have to find out if cgi passes shit to isforth via command line or via stdin 14:27:47 im guessing stdin 14:28:08 I wouldn't necessarily call it "good", but bigforth is better than nothing 14:28:30 if it does it via command line you have problems 14:28:38 thats VERY non trivial 14:28:44 cannot isforth programs look at argc/argv? 14:28:49 I440r: Seems like both command line AND environment variable. 14:28:51 of corse they can 14:29:23 robert look in forthsrc/args.f 14:29:29 Mkay. 14:29:37 that has examples of how to parse the command line 14:29:47 look in term.f for how to search the environment 14:29:57 Okie. 14:30:16 Hrm. 14:30:48 What does "./isforth - fload" really do? 14:31:15 isforth sees a commmand line of "- fload /path/to/filename.f" 14:31:23 the - tells isforth to INTERPRET the command line 14:31:36 Can I make it abord after the fload? 14:31:38 so "fload /path/to/filename.f" is interpreted 14:31:48 abort? 14:31:52 look at how i handle shebangs 14:31:59 a shebanged file starts with 14:31:59 Si... just interpret the first thing. 14:32:03 What file? 14:32:05 #! ./isforth - fload 14:32:33 thats in args.f 14:32:38 args.f handles all command line stuff 14:32:38 Okay, that's where it parses the commandline? 14:32:49 yes 14:32:54 but it has to distinguish between you doing 14:33:01 - fload foo.f 14:33:01 What part executes the commandline when I use "-" in the commandline? 14:33:06 and the first line of a shebanged file doing it 14:33:25 read the source from the bottom up heh 14:33:34 Which file? 14:33:41 I SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 14:33:44 args.f!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 14:33:49 :D 14:33:51 I will. 14:33:53 btw 14:33:56 args.f handles ALL command line shit 14:34:00 I wrote a nice Pong game for IsForth :P 14:34:00 including shebanged files 14:34:18 email it to me ill add it to the distro :P 14:34:36 http://ostling.no-ip.com/files/pong.f 14:34:49 In case you have a program supporting the http protocol :D 14:36:33 I440r: When IsForth becomes a metacompiler, you'll have to distribute the binary, right? 14:36:40 looks ok but needs factoring better :P 14:36:46 prolly 14:36:51 Bah. 14:36:56 Factor it then. 14:36:59 lol 14:37:01 I factored it...a bit :) 14:37:20 What does on> do? 14:37:22 now modifiy it for a breakout game :) 14:37:31 it stores -1 in a var 14:37:34 on> foo 14:37:35 Hehe, I might do that later ;) 14:37:38 makes foo true 14:37:41 off> foo 14:37:44 Oh, cool. 14:37:44 makes foo false or 0 14:38:00 incr> and decr> +!> etc 14:38:05 those are good too 14:38:05 --- join: futhin (~thin@h24-64-175-61.cg.shawcable.net) joined #forth 14:38:18 futhin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 14:38:28 wheres that tutorial i was writing that you were editing 14:38:36 Hey futhin 14:38:49 IsForth tutorial? 14:38:58 forth/isforth 14:39:04 OK. 14:39:11 With IsForth reference? 14:39:26 not yet 14:39:32 its only just started 14:39:44 i440r: heh, i've been busy lately.. do you need me to edit it soon? :P 14:39:46 futhin is my editor in chief :P 14:40:02 futhin yes. and i need some text written to be used as content for the web page 14:40:05 thats YOUR job 14:40:07 How do I load forth files in isforth? 14:40:12 dont html format it tho 14:40:15 As usual, no docs... 14:40:16 fload 14:40:21 Thanks. 14:40:26 fractal dox is futhins job :P 14:40:27 hehe 14:40:35 fload makes forth interpret a file 14:40:37 fload is obvious! ;P 14:40:50 i440r: content for what webpage ? 14:40:53 Heh. Yeah, very obvious. :) 14:41:03 futhin the isforth web page 14:41:13 all i need is a little writeup on isforth 14:41:13 fload pong.f cols? 14:41:21 its developers etc 14:41:21 ^ Not there's an intuitive error message... 14:41:30 s/Not/Now 14:41:38 80 cols fool! ;P 14:41:45 fractal forth is saying you dont have term.f loaded 14:41:54 Oh, of course! How silly! 14:41:57 you must have run ./kernel.com 14:41:59 NOT isforth 14:42:01 It's SOO obvious... 14:42:04 you need to EXTEND 14:42:04 :) 14:42:07 ./kernel.com 14:42:09 fload isforth.f 14:42:19 if you had read the readme you would know this :P 14:42:20 fractal: didn't read the readme.txt ? 14:43:16 Yes. It says nothing about term.f 14:43:25 fractal: it gives you installation instructions 14:43:36 which you have to do _before_ you try to run isforth.. 14:43:39 fractal term.f is loaded when you EXTEND 14:43:45 you do 14:43:47 make linux 14:43:49 ./kernel.com 14:43:52 fload isforth.f 14:43:54 ./isforth 14:43:56 fload pong.f 14:44:07 you never try compile applications directly on top of kernel.com 14:46:09 What does "interpret" do? 14:46:27 lol 14:46:29 rob_ert: it gives you a free blow job 14:46:38 * rob_ert humps futhin 14:46:42 its the inner interpreter 14:46:46 Still not working. I do: make clean, make linux, ./kernel.com, fload isforth.f, fload pong.f, and it says "cols ?" 14:46:50 it refills tib 14:46:55 I440r: Where does it get the word to interpret from? 14:47:08 fractal what version of isforth 14:47:13 futhin: fload isforth.f 14:47:16 hrm 14:47:17 oh 14:47:19 darn 14:47:19 robert it calls bl word 14:47:20 1.04b 14:47:22 * rob_ert slaps self 14:47:24 Heh 14:47:30 1.08b is the latest (: 14:47:35 fractal you probably need to update 14:47:50 alot of new stuff added 14:47:53 alot of bugs fixed 14:47:53 Ok. I'll try gforth first. 14:48:09 ew 14:48:11 traitor 14:48:20 download isforth right now 14:48:37 or i'll kickban you because forth IS ;) 14:48:40 Jesus... gforth doesn't know fload... I love forth. 14:48:56 include 14:49:01 Ok. 14:49:19 "include" is such a NON FORTH word 14:49:43 Heh. 14:50:30 Ah, and gforth doesn't have padsize. Fuck it. 14:51:28 padsize? 14:51:34 That's a constant in my Pong. 14:51:47 I guess it doesn't support I440r's "const". 14:52:00 isforth has "constant" 14:52:11 and a better version which is "const" 14:52:17 Ok, I had to do a : var variable ;, I'll try : const constant ; 14:52:25 eh 14:52:32 variable should already exist 14:53:01 i440r: i'd prefer to have the webpage so i can write the content in it :P 14:53:06 I did : var variable ;, in order to define the word var. 14:53:26 : var variable ; 14:53:32 with no comma "," right? 14:53:37 No comma. 14:54:22 curoff doesn't exist in gforth either. 14:55:21