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00:00:00 --- log: started forth/02.06.20 01:45:46 --- quit: Soap` () 02:25:35 skylan: :) 02:25:52 He was here several times. 02:26:01 3 or 4, iirc. 02:26:16 Only 2 long interviews, though. 03:52:39 --- join: ma (~markus@nat101.htcn.de) joined #forth 03:53:34 --- join: mur (ammu@baana-62-165-189-214.phnet.fi) joined #forth 03:55:06 --- join: Soap` (~flop@202-0-42-22.cable.paradise.net.nz) joined #forth 04:22:54 --- join: cleverdra (julianf@0-1pool37-120.nas2.florence1.sc.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 04:23:04 Hi cleverdra :) 04:23:22 Guten tag 04:23:32 Wie geht's? 04:24:10 I just remember that from yesterday. 04:24:31 :) 04:24:52 I've studied german for 5 years, and I know about 10 more words :P 04:32:00 wow i never studied german and i know more words than you 04:32:05 i'm such genius 04:32:42 Yes, really. 04:32:46 German Ist Easy. 04:32:51 einfach* 04:33:01 And... Deutsch* :P 04:33:22 Oh, yeah -- this would be pseudogerman. 04:33:28 :) 04:34:00 * cleverdra saw that on a come-to-German-language-class poster. 04:34:10 ;) 04:36:44 cleverdra you have always such mind-enlarging posters there 04:36:48 "work well" 04:36:50 or what ever 04:36:51 hah 04:37:54 Hum? 04:38:06 I think you're thinking about WW2 propaganda. :) 04:40:18 Yes. 04:40:31 Don't let the HUN do-something-or-other 04:41:39 Does anyone know of an a86 -> NASM converter? 04:41:54 hm, no. 04:43:34 rob_ert a86 ?? 04:43:36 why? 04:44:48 I have some a86 code I want to be able to assemble with NASM. 05:24:41 Yesterday I looked at ZOG and retro4. 05:25:00 * rob_ert asks cleverdra what those are. 05:25:34 ZOG is davidw's ficl+eCos and retro4 is tunes.retro.??? native Forth. 05:25:49 Both boot to a Forth, for x86 machines. 05:26:14 Nice :) 05:26:55 My considered opinion of ZOG is that I hate it's prompt, WORDS scrolls beyond the top of a screen with no scroll-up feature, and it has a Qwerty keyboard that I couldn't figure out how to change. 05:27:29 What kind of keyboard do you use? 05:28:22 My considered opinion of retro4 is that the larger screen mode doesn't work for me, but at least 320x??? works fine, it has boot.f (which is nice), and I easily (metaForthily) changed its keymap to dvorak. 05:29:05 ficl seems OK, even though everything is a C primitive -- but I can't compile ZOG, and the development environment for eCos is huge. Maybe later. 05:29:48 Why do you use a dvorak keyboard? 05:30:10 retro4 has MACRO FORTH vocabularies, a shockingly tiny dictionary, and most everything is an ASM primitive -- in x86 asm, sadly. 05:30:30 rob_ert - shrug. Why do you use whatever keymap that you use? 05:30:58 I have a normal, Swedish keyboard, and I use the keymap that fits the keyboard. 05:31:47 * cleverdra learned to type fast on Qwerty from IRC and certain games, then learned Dvorak from the home-rows outward in three days (typing well on it, overwriting his memory of the dvorak keyboard), and then re-learned Qwerty a few years later (without overwriting dvorak-memory - yay!). 05:31:55 rob_ert - oh, I don't do that anymore. 05:32:10 overwriting my memory of the qwerty keyboard, I mean. 05:32:37 Also, I can recompile retro4. 05:32:53 Both of them are fairly uncomfortable Forths. 05:35:40 yeah, ecos is kind of a bitch... 05:35:46 I should better integrate things 05:35:53 BTW, though, ecos runs on a ton of processors 05:36:06 zog is probably easily portable to most modern archs 05:37:16 * cleverdra nods. 05:40:17 and it already runs on a lot of them 05:40:36 I should also help them fiddle about with the keyboard 05:40:45 it's a brit qwerty in any case:-/ 05:41:06 Oh, I noticed that " came out as @ in ZOG. Is that brit qwerty? 05:42:05 yep 05:42:14 " and @ are switched 05:43:11 --- join: dsmith (firewall-u@cherry7.comerica.com) joined #forth 05:45:30 --- join: Serg_penguin (~snaga_NOI@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 05:45:45 hi 05:46:16 hello serg, dmisth 05:46:30 hi 05:46:48 what do you work on now ? 05:47:02 sergio penguin 05:47:03 :) 05:47:04 hello 05:53:00 --- quit: dsmith ("later..") 05:53:03 --- quit: Serg_penguin () 06:12:08 --- join: Serg_penguin (~snaga_NOI@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 06:12:17 re hi 06:12:32 i will now go in and out - checking many hdd's 06:12:40 hehe 06:12:44 re hi 06:12:44 :) 06:12:50 what do u work on now ? 06:12:54 me? 06:13:01 i'm going to celebrate juhannus 06:13:05 finnihs midsummer 06:13:10 leaving in a seconds 06:13:12 -s 06:13:22 oh, have fun 06:13:32 i now trying to make a web page, to put all my proggies on web 06:13:32 dont' let the Oompaloompa eat you! 06:13:39 davidw stu 06:14:00 and i was accepted, btw Serg_penguin, to uiah. it's one of the very best art universities in the whole world.. 06:14:20 pronounced ooooh yeah 06:14:33 i made dos batch filez do all the work, but its stupid 06:15:00 will write some "batch" scripts in forth... 06:15:16 maybe.. 06:15:54 did anyone wrote games in forth ? 06:17:03 I have. Why? 06:17:42 and what game did u wrote ? 06:19:02 --- quit: Serg_penguin ("swapping hdd's...") 06:25:13 --- join: Serg_penguin (~snaga_NOI@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 06:25:23 re hi 06:25:38 nothing particular, though I'm going to write tetris and sokoban Real Soon Now for my palm. 06:25:50 gpl ? 06:25:59 Sure. 06:26:02 i have palm, i'll play 06:26:16 what palm forth do u use ? 06:26:18 OK. I'll tell you. 06:26:53 I have DragonForth and Quartus Forth, but will probably use the latter for this. I could use both, but I've been playing with DragonForth a lot, recently. 06:26:55 i have DragonForth, but did not wrote any damn thing - it's OS is utter crap 06:27:04 what's OS? 06:27:11 Palm OS 06:27:18 crap, how? 06:27:37 it was thunk with @$$ 06:27:52 I don't understand... 06:28:20 it's WERY BAD from programmer's viewpoint 06:28:41 I haven't noticed =) What's so bad about it? 06:29:42 i did not like it ;) maybe, i just too used to libc ;) 06:30:15 files are not stream, strange databases... 06:30:23 no stdin/out/err 06:30:45 Um, OK. 06:31:21 It does have files as streams, actually, and Forth I/O works pretty much the same. I don't much care that it isn't like libc. 06:31:48 can it upload stream filez from pc ? 06:32:15 --- quit: Serg_penguin ("swapping hdd's...") 06:58:03 --- join: Serg_penguin (~snaga_NOI@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 06:58:03 --- quit: Serg_penguin (Client Quit) 07:01:36 --- join: Serg_penguin (~snaga_NOI@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 07:01:43 re hi 07:02:42 hello. 07:03:17 work is over ! 07:03:24 You'll have to package them somehow, either by using Palm Desktop to turn them into records in MemoPad's database (in which case you have a 4K limit) or by turning them into some other kind of record database. 07:04:38 now i'll go home and make a web site template ;) 07:04:49 oh, OK 07:05:01 dammit, i'm not quite interested in palm progging 07:05:22 i have every thing i want - txt reader and some sys utils 07:06:15 use of palm is limited by the fact what u can not do much on the go ;) 07:06:47 or, maybe, go to Tolkien and LARP fans meeting ;) 07:07:11 but, no, it's under open scy, and sun is too hot now ;( 07:07:15 I can do quite a lot on the go, and I do a lot off the go, but OK. 07:08:04 i use palm only as text reader and is happy w/ it 07:08:38 so what on forth macro / xml processors ? 07:09:30 i have options: .bat/shellscripts, m4 preprocessor, write own processor in forth 07:09:44 i seem to convert 1) to 3) ;) 07:09:51 for more versatility 07:09:59 seem it good ? 07:10:14 I'd certainlly prefer 3 =) 07:10:40 (Yes, palm is a great text reader.) 07:10:45 me too ;) 07:11:06 first i'll write word PLAIN: 07:11:25 like COMMENT: but echoing input to stdout 07:11:39 INCLUDE is already here 07:11:56 but what about #define ? 07:12:44 I don't understand what you mean by PLAIN: or COMMENT: 07:12:44 am i thinking right way ? 07:12:50 or #define :-/ 07:13:13 In this context. 07:13:19 COMMENT: skips all strings after it until finds :COMMENT 07:13:26 multi-line remark 07:14:06 PLAIN: will read it and send to output, but NOT to interpreter 07:14:29 comment: comment; might be more forthy, but OK. 07:14:43 until :PLAIN 07:15:09 INCLUDE would do the obvious. Hm. 07:16:00 #( this is a comment ) 07:16:00 or just echo input to output, interpret only text between '<' and '>' - will look tag'gish 07:16:26 serg - oh, OK. Could you give an example of what this would look like? 07:18:10 some text blah-blahblah-blah some text 07:18:25 Oh! 07:18:28 : book inklude book.start ; 07:18:43 : /book include book.end ; 07:18:54 include uses BL WORD ;) 07:19:07 no,no 07:19:21 : book " include book.start" load ; 07:19:39 yeah ? 07:19:43 heh 07:19:47 include would work as well. 07:20:34 macro : include bl parse postpone sliteral postpone included ; forth 07:20:35 parser will look like this : 07:20:59 damn, my forth is too simple, no macro or postpone 07:21:24 What is your Forth? 07:21:38 --- join: dsmith (firewall-u@cherry7.comerica.com) joined #forth 07:21:41 gp-forth and smal-32 - both russian 07:21:57 1st is 64k dos, 2nd - DOS DPMI32 07:22:37 it will look like XML ;) 07:23:04 i already did "xml parser" of this kind in M$ quickbasic 07:23:09 DAMN SLOW 07:23:11 !!!!! 07:24:30 i did not knew abt XML by that time... 07:24:42 tags looked TeX'ish 07:25:04 I'd prefer that, myself =) 07:25:04 :) 07:25:19 prefer what, cleverdra ? 07:25:31 cleverdra you dont use , there 07:25:55 TeX'ish tags. 07:26:38 mur - hm? the , seems fine to me -- it fits the way I would've said that. If I wanted to be proper I would've stopped at 'that' =) 07:26:45 hm .. gives clear start and end of tag... 07:26:49 I'd prefer that =) 07:27:12 * cleverdra nods at Serg. 07:27:21 nods ???? 07:27:40 hehe 07:27:55 dammit, my english is too technical... 07:27:57 but you dont use dot anyway if you woudl stop. you use then . or -- 07:28:06 or .. 07:28:36 then i hear 'fork' i mean unix syscall, not a table tool ;) 07:28:58 * cleverdra eats his spaghetti with a fork. 07:29:10 * cleverdra wonders why this spaghetti has a fork() 07:29:26 :) 07:29:28 and i dunno many 'common' words - i just dunno need them while grepping man's 07:29:53 #make love 07:30:04 Error: no rule to make target love 07:30:10 #man love 07:30:24 Error: no such man page 07:30:43 GODDAMMIT !!!!! 07:30:52 this is how my life looks ;) 07:31:21 echo 'love:\n\techo "It\'s OK, Serg, it comes with practice."' > Makefile&&make love 07:32:22 cya 07:32:26 now away 07:32:28 juhannus -> 07:33:40 --- quit: mur ("celebrating juhannus - finnish midsummer") 07:33:48 i said to one girl 'go all burning hells !' then i knew... 07:34:01 knew? 07:34:35 ..i knew she is christian and wants a husband who will spend much money on her ;) 07:35:06 i consider this kind prostitutes ;) 07:35:39 * cleverdra shrugs. 07:35:58 1. Men marry for looks. Women marry for money. 07:36:14 every girl i have good relations with, all do work and do not suck money from men 07:36:46 they are already 'claimed' , but i do not lose hope to find one ;) 07:37:28 SHIT ! i dunno look at 'look' at all 07:37:58 more - at , hm ... , what is inside ;) 07:38:33 i.e. girl with brain is better than girl without brain? 07:39:05 Girl with brain is certainly better! 07:39:07 w/ brain and soul is better whan w/ onle breasts and ass ;) 07:39:27 There are many girls with all four, though, so I hear. 07:39:31 Girl without ass might look dunny. 07:39:32 funny* 07:39:33 --- quit: davidw (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 07:39:45 (What does she sit on?) 07:39:58 rob_ert but Serg said 'only' breasts and ass. 07:40:23 Heh, that too. 07:40:46 * rob_ert wonders how russian girls look. 07:41:14 it's worse how they think... 07:41:21 How do they think? 07:41:43 prehistoric way... 07:42:05 Eat, reproduce, survive? 07:42:05 --- quit: dsmith ("later..") 07:42:32 Surely not all Russian girls think that way! 07:42:38 my mother (she was girl too, damn many years ago) says - "if you use it - pay for it !" 07:42:45 this is very common 07:43:04 There is a point in that. 07:43:21 I don't understand the negative side of that.\ 07:43:22 Even though I'm too used to free software to pay anything :) 07:43:45 but no one payd for her, and seems used her one time - and ran away barfing and cursing 07:44:19 so me is sitting and f...king my brains - how to make myself better 07:44:32 and kick all her shit out of mind 07:46:18 are you barfing too ???? 07:46:38 I don't think that we're communicating =( 07:47:13 * Serg_penguin turns off power to avoid short circuit 07:47:40 bad english or total disagree - what do u mean ? 07:47:52 I mean, I don't understand what you're talking about. 07:47:56 :) 07:48:33 Sorry. 07:49:20 i mean i have no father - so running from woman who thinks this way is common thing 07:49:41 and i'll do the same, will i be on his place 07:50:41 but how does she think? That you should pay her for sex? 07:51:14 --- quit: ma (Success) 07:51:58 sure, but not like overt whore..... 07:52:33 they both (kicked girl and my damn mother, kicked too 23 y ago )... 07:53:10 think woman should not work, and man should spend much money on her ;( 07:53:30 Oh. 07:54:17 letz kick this topic - we could write sime code instead of this ;( 07:55:13 so let the girls of this kind get kicked all the time ! letz drink for it ;) 07:56:13 Features I'd like to have in my Forth: MACRO FORTH wordlists, infinite other wordlists, cooperative multitasking, directly-accessible address registers 07:56:32 I seem to do fine without these, but still. 07:56:58 MACRO wordlist is so utterly sensible, I do not understand why anyone does it another way. 07:57:13 oh, i'll go home to work on site and text processor, maybe 07:57:20 * cleverdra nods. 07:57:20 OK. 07:57:33 c u l8r 07:57:35 --- quit: Serg_penguin () 08:37:32 --- nick: Fare -> FareAway 08:43:43 --- quit: cleverdra ("Leaving") 09:17:47 --- join: davidw (~davidw@adsl-32-74.38-151.net24.it) joined #forth 09:57:53 --- join: cleverdra (julianf@0-1pool37-120.nas2.florence1.sc.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 10:30:17 --- quit: cleverdra (Connection timed out) 10:35:33 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@ip68-7-165-74.sd.sd.cox.net) joined #forth 11:01:02 --- join: I440r (~mark4@1Cust191.tnt3.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #forth 11:03:05 Hey :) 11:06:52 hi :) 11:07:09 ever try to play a game, irc AND code at the same time ???? 11:07:17 something HAS to lose out there.... 11:07:18 hehe 11:07:41 Hehe. 11:07:50 What game are you playing? 11:08:01 <|\|> let me guess 11:08:02 <|\|> Settlers? 11:08:04 the settlers 11:08:05 :) 11:08:07 I see.. 11:08:08 <|\|> arg 11:08:11 <|\|> that game is so old, I440r 11:08:13 now how did you know that :P 11:08:28 <|\|> I440r: are you going to port Settlers to isForth? :) 11:08:36 <|\|> or make some kind of Settlers work-alike in forth... 11:08:37 I think War craft II is one of the best stratetgy games. 11:08:39 |\|: i can still play it every day for 18 hours 11:08:41 Maybe Red Alert is better. 11:08:42 no 11:08:49 warcraft 2 is a kiddie game compared to this 11:08:52 <|\|> warcraft ii is kiddy stuff 11:08:53 <|\|> heh 11:08:57 Oh, I can't wait to play it. 11:08:58 Haha 11:08:59 this is a VERY VERY complex game 11:09:02 I like it still :) 11:09:07 me 2 11:09:09 Simple games can be funny. 11:09:12 <|\|> heh, you know what 11:09:15 but it has a shelf life of about 2 weeks for me 11:09:17 <|\|> there's a Warcraft III now 11:09:18 I like Pong, for example :9 11:09:28 |\|: Heh, it is? 11:09:28 ive been playing the settlers since the day it was released 11:09:29 :) 11:09:43 <|\|> you guys are seriously behind the times, heh 11:09:47 Heh. 11:09:50 No, I'm not. 11:09:51 lol 11:09:58 Most games I play are from the 90s. 11:10:01 i wanna do a pong in isforth hehe 11:10:05 and a breakout :) 11:10:05 Or, well... 80s or 90s. 11:10:09 all in text mode of corse :) 11:10:13 <|\|> I440r: you should do a Settlers in isforth 11:10:14 I440r: I did an ascii pong in forth :P 11:10:23 <|\|> a text-mode version of settlers.... 11:10:27 |\|: i want to. i might contact bluebyte about that 11:10:29 <|\|> if that's possible 11:10:44 I have a nice text-mode strategy game :) 11:10:50 Guess what language! 11:11:24 I don't know... visual basic? 11:11:42 <|\|> davidw: Good mornin, old boy! 11:11:50 <|\|> How's the day, chap? 11:12:09 bash script ??? :) 11:12:20 |][][p: fine, thanks 11:12:30 * davidw goes to retrieve his long lost mountain bike 11:12:31 ciao 11:12:42 :) 11:12:45 Bye. 11:12:50 I440r: BASIC :) 11:13:17 It's playable. 11:13:24 I can sit with it for an hour. 11:13:36 Best game I've ever written, and it's a text mode game in BASIC.. 11:13:40 <|\|> hah 11:13:48 That should tell you how much of a game programmer I am ;) 11:14:43 Going out, bbl. 11:16:08 <|\|> All your base are belong to us! 11:16:23 Imagine all the Nothings, living life in peace. 11:23:56 --- join: cleverdra (julianf@0-1pool36-192.nas2.florence1.sc.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 11:25:43 i just found out that the original Elite was written in BBC basic!!! 11:25:54 the guy that wrote elite lived down the road from me 11:26:02 thats another game i could play constantly heh 11:26:12 <|\|> heh 11:26:15 <|\|> Elite? 11:26:17 <|\|> what is that like? 11:26:21 i used to fly my ship into the docking station at full speed rotating in the opposite dircetion to the station 11:26:33 its a space flying shootemup trading game 11:26:52 you can fly from planet to planet buying and selling at various prices 11:26:55 gain money 11:27:00 you get bounty every time you kill a pirate 11:27:11 and eventually the government sends you on missions 11:27:15 Origin made a really, really, really, really cool game called 'Rogue' that, apparently, is similar to Elite. 11:27:27 you start out with a "harmless" rating 11:27:32 Also, there is Void for the Palm that is, apparently, similar to Elite. 11:27:34 then you got to "mostly harmless" heh 11:27:40 the object was to become elite 11:27:41 * cleverdra has never played Elite. 11:28:10 Elite is a relay coolo game. i just downloaded it yesterday, the authors released it now 11:28:18 they also released their original sources :) 11:28:47 <|\|> have any of you played Privateer? 11:28:52 <|\|> that was a cool game, back in the day 11:29:28 Yes, I've played Privateer. 11:29:38 I've also "beaten" it, meaning that I ran out of missions. 11:30:02 <|\|> ah 11:30:21 <|\|> my favorite game of olden times has to be Ultima VII 11:30:29 heh i just realised something else about eilte and the settlers 11:30:34 i like the music in both games :) 11:30:43 <|\|> hah! the MIDI stuff? 11:30:46 http://www.origin.ea.com/ 11:30:49 hehe 11:32:20 <|\|> you should write a MIDI sequencer for isforth 11:33:11 i never got into writing music code 11:33:18 none of my old demos had any music either 11:33:26 <|\|> demos? 11:33:27 <|\|> cool 11:33:33 <|\|> you wrote demos for DOS in asm? 11:33:38 yes heh 11:33:54 dns me. look in /pub/demoze or something 11:34:25 Music is one of the areas that FS/Forth will definitely be applied to. 11:34:53 FS/Forth ? 11:35:05 A Forth that I'm writing. 11:35:19 <|\|> Squeak has good musical support 11:35:19 --- join: MrReach (~mrreach@209.181.43.190) joined #forth 11:35:28 * |\| plays the squeak midi keyboard 11:35:46 mrreach! 11:35:51 ltns :P 11:35:51 hihi 11:36:04 dropped in about 2 weeks ago 11:36:16 but it's been about a month since I said anything of merit 11:36:17 i musta missed it heh 11:36:20 kc5 - is 0.2 the latest? 11:36:34 cleverdra: 0.2 of what? 11:36:43 FS/Forth 11:37:08 cleverdra: If you can find version 1.2 on AOL's file repository, then yes. Otherwise, it doesn't exist anymore. 11:37:13 <|\|> er 11:37:15 <|\|> AOL? 11:37:44 |\|: I wrote a program and uploaded it to AOL eons ago, back when AOL was half-way decent. 11:37:57 <|\|> heh, aol was never half-way decent 11:37:59 wheres futhin 11:38:06 |\|: Whatever. I'm not about to argue. 11:38:12 <|\|> kc5tja: what year was that? 11:38:19 |\|: Very early 90s. 11:38:38 |\|: We're talking, 1.0 beta. 11:39:15 <|\|> well, i can't argue with you on that matter, i saw AOL for the first time in its 2.5 incarnation 11:39:16 I will, AOL was awesome when they first started 11:40:01 <|\|> but i think it would have been better to simply get a straight connection to the net via a BBS or some unix shell account back then 11:40:10 <|\|> or one of the very few ISP startups 11:40:13 MrReach - how did they changed, that they aren't awesome anymore? 11:40:16 s/did/have/ 11:40:22 good example of the destructive power of a bureaucracy 11:40:31 <|\|> i dunno, more users, more lameness 11:40:37 <|\|> once something reaches the masses it is destroyed 11:40:53 |\|: First of all, that wasn't going to happen. Net connections just didn't exist back then (especially where I lived). Second, even if it had, the web really wasn't in full force there, so no distribution channel existed for me. 11:40:58 |\| - yeah, like computers -- what the hell was *that* all about? 11:40:58 jeez! the software replaces DLLs on windows machines that cause them to permanently crash 11:41:09 the fix is to reload windows 11:41:35 and that's just to start 11:41:43 <|\|> kc5tja: back then there were lots of people on the net, the happening spots on the net were Usenet and irc 11:41:46 you mean reinstall ? 11:41:48 MrReaech - oh, this is some AOL software? 11:41:51 <|\|> and net connections did exist 11:41:59 yes 11:42:12 |\|: No, you don't understand. Where I lived, there weren't any net connections to be had. 11:42:20 <|\|> kc5tja: where did you live? 11:42:25 like where i live now :) 11:42:27 |\|: Those that did exist were prohibitively expensive. Utica, NY 11:42:50 <|\|> you could have hacked yourself an account on a university's dialin unix server and hopped out to the net through that :) 11:42:57 anyway, AOL was a good service gone bad 11:43:18 <|\|> or just searched for some BBS with net access... that's what some people did back then 11:43:21 <|\|> anyway, it doesn't matter 11:43:23 |\|: No, I couldn't have. Do you think I'm a fool? You think I'm some kind of newbie at this? 11:43:37 <|\|> kc5tja: huh? what's wrong with doing that? 11:43:40 kc5 - past tense. 11:44:11 fidonet was awesome, I really liked the BlueWave reader 11:44:20 <|\|> i think it's more respectable to have had a little account on a unix machine back then than an AOL account 11:44:34 |\|: Some schools require you to be students to use their systems, and there are no exceptions. I wasn't a student. 11:44:59 <|\|> security in the early 90s was really lax 11:45:06 |\|: I don't hack. 11:45:15 |\|: Or, more accurately, I don't *crack*. 11:45:25 kc5 - you could've quit whatever you were doing, moved to a place and status where you would've been able to access the internet without AOL, and done so. All these excuses of yours, I just don't buy them! 11:45:32 <|\|> i personally know some people who were into the scene back then who had hacked accounts, and even when the admin found them out, he didn't care 11:45:38 cleverdra: Not at the age of 16 I wasn't. 11:45:51 I used to take the student admin out to a fancy dinner and just ask for an account and dialin 11:45:57 * cleverdra mocks kc5: "Oh, I was too young!" 11:46:01 |\|: Well, they're lucky. 11:46:05 <|\|> those were good times, i wish i had been old enough to enjoy them 11:46:08 cleverdra: What the hell is YOUR problem now? 11:46:18 kc5 - hm? Nothing. 11:46:23 cleverdra: Then why do you mock me? 11:46:33 kc5 - I'm not really mocking *you* 11:46:49 Anyway, I cease. 11:46:59 <|\|> kc5tja is just a very mock-friendly fellow :) 11:47:04 <|\|> mock-magnet 11:47:10 * MrReach sighs, "Those were the days." 11:47:16 --- quit: cleverdra (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:47:24 --- join: cleverdra (julianf@0-1pool36-192.nas2.florence1.sc.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 11:47:38 --- nick: MrReach -> MrMockTurtle 11:47:44 really? You think? 11:47:46 |\|: I just don't like it when people try to offer "help" when they don't know what the circumstances of the situation were. 11:48:00 It's very offensive to me. 11:48:03 --- nick: MrMockTurtle -> MrReach 11:48:19 * cleverdra doesn't say anything, significantly. 12:08:22 wow. listen to this (totally off-topic): 12:09:32 I give no one the right. / I worship a piece of rag. / I transport coffins. / I transport coffins. / I give no one the right. / I look rediculous / In the sunlight, / Scourge of the soda fountains / I am dying of fury 12:24:01 that is interesting 12:24:48 sounds like goth music or something 12:26:17 It's an example of antipoetry. 12:26:48 And you know what happens when antipoetry and poetry mix together... 12:26:58 complete anihilation. :) 12:27:06 Expressionist Poetry! 12:27:14 BOOOO! 12:27:27 * MrReach throws some overripe fruit at kc5tja 12:27:41 * cleverdra draws on his Bluebeard lore. 12:31:30 * kc5tja bows 12:34:00 more of that, with an essay on it, at http://www.uchile.cl/cultura/parra/english/technique.html 12:38:58 --- join: XeF4 (mzsxer@12-245-116-85.client.attbi.com) joined #forth 12:42:30 --- quit: kc5tja ("[x]chat") 12:56:31 --- join: ayrnieu (julianf@0-1pool36-192.nas2.florence1.sc.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 12:56:36 --- quit: cleverdra (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:56:59 --- nick: ayrnieu -> cleverdra 13:08:20 --- quit: Fractal (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:13:51 --- join: Fractal (pamixtbw@h24-77-171-228.ok.shawcable.net) joined #forth 13:23:55 --- join: tathi (~josh@wsip68-15-54-54.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 13:46:04 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 14:00:59 --- quit: cleverdra (Connection timed out) 14:01:40 --- nick: FareAway -> Fare 14:02:19 --- join: tcn (tcn@tc4-login7.megatrondata.com) joined #forth 14:02:31 Hi tcn. 14:03:40 yo 14:04:59 <|\|> Tom Novelli huh 14:05:07 <|\|> wow, i knew a musician named Tom Novelli 14:05:37 where? 14:06:28 <|\|> maryland 14:06:33 <|\|> was a while ago 14:07:01 heh.. wow.. I'm a musician but that's not me :) 14:30:25 tcn!!! 14:30:39 wheres my assembler (sorry couldnt resist) heh 14:31:28 Hehe. 14:32:51 where's 2! 14:32:55 where's 2@ 14:36:56