00:00:00 --- log: started forth/02.06.13 00:31:25 --- join: davidw (~davidw@adsl-ull-66-108.42-151.net24.it) joined #forth 01:09:35 --- join: MrReach (~mrreach@209.181.43.190) joined #forth 01:10:27 For the record, I'm back from eastern Montana safe and sound. 01:10:37 --- quit: MrReach (Client Quit) 01:23:26 --- join: mur (ammu@baana-62-165-188-151.phnet.fi) joined #forth 02:40:14 --- quit: davidw (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05:18:43 --- quit: Soap` (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05:20:41 --- join: sif (~siforth@ip68-9-58-81.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 05:20:41 Type sif: (or /msg sif to play in private) 05:21:12 sif: : hooray! ." SCHOOL'S OUT FOR SUMMER!" ; hooray! 05:21:14 rob_ert: SCHOOL'S OUT FOR SUMMER! 05:21:21 muhaha 05:21:36 have i told that finnish schools ended 1.6 ? ;) 05:21:53 When do you start again? 05:22:00 who ? 05:22:01 what? 05:22:32 Start school. 05:22:39 me 05:22:41 err 05:22:44 14 months 05:22:49 first conscription army 05:22:52 then next year 05:22:55 autumn 05:23:07 hopefully in UIAH, it's one of the world best art schools 05:23:07 Argh. 05:23:15 I start 26th of Augusr. 05:23:18 August* 05:34:53 --- join: dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1aa-222.clvhoh.adelphia.net) joined #forth 05:40:34 --- quit: dsmith ("later..") 06:12:33 --- join: ^n^ (nm@pcp01518417pcs.reding01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 07:29:41 --- join: tathi (~josh@wsip68-15-54-54.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 07:45:00 --- join: davidw (~davidw@adsl-ull-66-108.42-151.net24.it) joined #forth 07:54:19 --- join: dsmith (~dsmith@208.40.56.34) joined #forth 07:54:35 Hi :) 07:54:46 Greetings 08:02:38 --- join: Fare (fare@samaris.tunes.org) joined #forth 08:04:29 --- join: sbk_ (~kbs@dsl-65-184-98-221.telocity.com) joined #forth 08:23:49 --- quit: sbk_ ("Leaving") 08:33:49 --- join: I440r (~mark4@1Cust246.tnt2.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #forth 08:57:31 hey all 08:57:32 i'm back 08:58:37 unfurl the flags! sound the horns! throw a boar on the fire! mur is back! 08:59:36 :) 09:01:03 yes this time i'm back from taking dog 09:14:01 --- join: Forth (~Forth@1Cust246.tnt2.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #forth 09:17:50 --- quit: Forth (Remote closed the connection) 09:37:20 back again :) 09:38:09 Hey Jukka. 09:38:32 <^n^> hi 09:38:37 <^n^> rob_ert, do you have Forth classes at your school? 09:39:48 ^n^ ceartainly not :) 09:40:14 so 09:40:21 i am back from watching tv 09:40:34 before that i was back from taking dog 09:40:51 and before that i was back from rovaniemi, that's in lapland, like, 1000 km to north.. 09:40:59 it's at artic circle 09:41:01 brrr 09:41:09 ^n^: Of course not, 09:41:18 and before that i was back from uiah, one of the best art and design schools in the world 09:41:19 there used to be a burger joint in my town called arctic circle 09:41:21 ^n^: C++... no forth. 09:41:34 davidw actaully it was damn hot there.. 30 celsius.. 09:44:36 ^n^: robert is not in uni 09:44:45 though, not many univs teach forth i guess 09:46:00 I'm just a little kiddie. Kill me. 09:49:43 yay 09:49:53 summers hottest parties in finland 09:49:56 the house is in fire 09:49:57 :P 09:50:07 demoscene whops 09:51:58 30 is pleasant:-) 09:53:24 Heh. 09:53:27 20 is. 09:53:38 brrrrr 09:54:17 celsius? 09:55:20 of course 09:55:41 18 is okay 09:55:45 21 inside 09:56:51 brrrrrrr 09:57:06 * davidw could spend the whole year with 30 degrees:-) 09:58:58 <^n^> i'm in my basement 09:59:05 <^n^> even with 3-4 running computers 09:59:08 <^n^> it's ice-cold :) 09:59:28 have the computers run at 100% cpu for a while 09:59:32 that will warm the place up :) 09:59:41 <^n^> they run dnetc 10:00:22 <^n^> all of the,m 10:00:22 whats dnetc ? 10:01:42 <^n^> distributed.net client 10:02:33 errr no idea what that is :) 10:03:14 http://www.theonion.com/onion3822/guns_are_only_deadly.html 10:05:49 some people say "guns don't kill, people do". They are wrong. Guns don't kill. Guns don't kill, organ trauma and blood loss do. 10:06:13 eheheh 10:07:15 <^n^> i'm in favor of banning ALL guns 10:07:19 <^n^> the world would be a safer place 10:07:33 all weapons 10:07:38 all wars shoud lbe illegal 10:07:46 but you nkow why they are not punishable? 10:07:54 because there are some countries.. 10:08:06 but lets not again talk about usa foreign policies 10:08:36 wars are also not punishable if the other side wins and wipes you out;-) 10:08:52 i think they are always punisable 10:09:02 I'm in favor of banning ALL organ trauma and blood loss 10:09:21 Anyone losing blood will be executed for violating this law. 10:09:32 Fare: I hear that in holland, they have some proactive, liberal policies regarding this 10:09:43 the government has outlawed feeling bad, too 10:10:03 * davidw is tired... 10:10:45 fare i like that law :) 10:11:21 davidw seriously? being sad is against the law ? 10:12:04 --- quit: rob_ert ("leaving") 10:14:13 I440r: what do you think all those 'coffee shops' are there for? 10:15:05 heh 10:21:13 davidw: do they sell good coffee? 10:21:36 * dsmith wishes he had some good coffee 10:21:43 dunno, I'm not interested in coffee or pot, really 10:21:53 * davidw prefers alcohol:-> 10:22:51 i drink coffee to excess. alcohol only a little 10:24:55 * mur drinks no mind intrupting liquids or uses stuff 10:25:34 for me my brains are important 10:26:08 mur: you drink brains? 10:26:12 no 10:26:17 rereax 10:26:18 d 10:26:20 if you don tunderstand 10:26:29 <^n^> rerax? 10:26:32 reread 10:26:35 i did include d 10:26:36 <^n^> hah 10:26:39 onnext line to inform 10:26:43 mur is a mindflayer 10:26:46 <^n^> i thought you were using a racial slur 10:26:52 <^n^> making fun of the way asians talk... 10:27:02 no i dont talk engrish 10:27:11 i have just so many typos 10:27:12 ;) 10:27:15 happily we're out of range of its telepathic powers 10:27:22 <^n^> fair is vietnamese, right? 10:27:24 <^n^> er 10:27:25 <^n^> fare 10:27:34 <^n^> of vietnamese descent? 10:27:46 ascent 10:28:19 n is asian ? 10:45:05 --- join: rob_ert (~robert@h237n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #forth 11:24:58 --- join: Stepan (~stepan@p50847EA4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 11:25:05 re 11:27:59 hee 11:40:45 --- quit: rob_ert (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:44:37 --- join: rob_ert (~robert@h237n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #forth 11:45:45 re-b_ert 12:24:58 --- quit: rob_ert ("leaving") 12:28:39 --- join: rob_ert (~robert@h237n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #forth 12:55:59 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13:01:18 --- join: I440r (~mark4@1Cust28.tnt3.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #forth 13:02:34 Any FreeBSD'ers in here? 13:03:15 not yet heh 13:03:24 i wanna port isforth to fbsd 13:07:08 <^n^> uh 13:07:20 <^n^> freebsd is sub-par, everyone should run linux 13:57:15 --- quit: dsmith ("later..") 14:15:48 linux is sub-par. Everyone should use Genera. 14:16:32 <^n^> oh yeah, i bet that will be real useful in this day and age 14:21:01 wtf is genera ? 14:21:03 heh 14:22:25 <^n^> a crusty old LISP-based OS 14:22:41 <^n^> designed to run on relatively primitive machines made by Symbolics Inc. 14:22:58 <^n^> which ceased production of these machines in the early 90s afaik 14:23:26 i liked the c64's os :) 14:29:49 --- quit: mur (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:35:27 --- join: jamc (~dne@mayonnaise.tsps1.freenet6.net) joined #forth 14:35:27 --- quit: jamc (Remote closed the connection) 14:36:30 --- join: jamc (~dne@mayonnaise.tsps1.freenet6.net) joined #forth 14:46:28 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 14:48:47 --- join: CrowKiller (Vapo_Rulez@cnq5-233.cablevision.qc.ca) joined #forth 14:55:48 --- join: dsmith (~dsmith@208.40.56.34) joined #forth 14:57:18 --- join: Soap` (~flop@202-0-42-22.cable.paradise.net.nz) joined #forth 14:57:42 --- quit: dsmith (Remote closed the connection) 15:02:03 --- join: dsmith (~dsmith@208.40.56.34) joined #forth 15:09:06 I440r: Do you think IsForth is good for CGI? :D 15:17:53 --- quit: rob_ert ("leaving") 15:22:38 not rite now i dont think 15:22:38 it might work... not sure 15:23:30 Has there ever been a forth with regular expressions? 15:25:15 dunn 15:25:23 dunno 15:25:36 im still not sure whats meant by a "regular" expression 15:26:47 ?? !! 15:26:56 Yeesh 15:27:39 Read the Dragon Book. 15:28:29 the what? 15:29:19 http://www.jargon.net/jargonfile/d/DragonBook.html 15:35:58 --- quit: Fare ("3053") 15:38:22 --- quit: jamc ("[x]chat") 15:52:14 --- quit: dsmith ("later..") 15:52:41 --- quit: Stepan ("Client Exiting") 16:31:16 --- join: thefox (fox@adsl-209-182-168-45.value.net) joined #forth 16:31:17 --- mode: ChanServ set +o thefox 16:33:41 dup is more like cloning than sexual reproduction. swap is sexy if you are a swinger. 16:34:10 thefox! 16:34:14 lol 16:37:19 --- quit: goshawk` (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 16:37:19 --- quit: joa (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 16:37:22 --- quit: ^n^ (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 16:37:24 --- quit: ChanServ (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 16:37:24 --- quit: thefox (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 16:37:24 --- quit: Soap` (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 16:37:24 --- quit: CrowKiller (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 16:37:24 --- quit: davidw (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 16:37:24 --- quit: Fractal (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 16:37:51 tcn said he was working on an assembler for isforth... 16:39:02 netsplit :) 16:40:31 gotta love em :) 16:43:08 --- join: ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) joined #forth 16:43:08 --- join: davidw (~davidw@adsl-ull-66-108.42-151.net24.it) joined #forth 16:43:08 --- join: ^n^ (nm@pcp01518417pcs.reding01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 16:43:08 --- join: Fractal (iishsadk@h24-77-171-228.ok.shawcable.net) joined #forth 16:43:08 --- mode: carter.openprojects.net set +o ChanServ 16:44:42 --- join: thefox (fox@adsl-209-182-168-45.value.net) joined #forth 16:44:42 --- join: Soap` (~flop@202-0-42-22.cable.paradise.net.nz) joined #forth 16:44:42 --- join: CrowKiller (Vapo_Rulez@cnq5-233.cablevision.qc.ca) joined #forth 16:44:42 --- mode: carter.openprojects.net set +o thefox 16:45:03 but not in the IRC standard and its not widespread 16:45:11 re everyone 16:45:19 we are merged again 16:45:25 sexy 16:47:33 I also wanted to publish the transcript of that presentation on aha because it will serve as an introduction to the next essay that I am working on now. 16:48:37 I can't wait to take a look at that essay ;pp 16:49:00 :) 16:51:10 --- quit: CrowKiller (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 16:51:10 --- quit: Soap` (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 16:51:10 --- quit: thefox (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 16:51:52 --- join: thefox (fox@adsl-209-182-168-45.value.net) joined #forth 16:51:52 --- join: Soap` (~flop@202-0-42-22.cable.paradise.net.nz) joined #forth 16:51:52 --- join: CrowKiller (Vapo_Rulez@cnq5-233.cablevision.qc.ca) joined #forth 16:51:52 --- mode: carter.openprojects.net set +o thefox 16:53:38 split dont happen if we are all logged on the same server though 16:54:16 tcn said he was working on the isforth assembler again, i can hardly wait heh 16:56:09 ill try to come up with a simple solution for gba code uploading, so i could use it as a pda next year in college ;p 16:56:36 i've just find out waveforms and C code for an interface 16:57:32 one cable was straight trough parallel to GBA but it was developped on a 66MHZ 386sx 16:57:37 --- join: goshawk` (goshawk@panix1.panix.com) joined #forth 16:57:37 --- join: joa (~james@226-119-237-24.anc-dial.gci.net) joined #forth 16:57:42 so its quite not working at the right speed ;p 16:59:09 it does if the server were on just up and dies outright heh 16:59:09 hi joa 16:59:09 gosh 17:45:14 those ATTiny15L microcontrollers are so tiny that ive lost them duh lol 17:45:45 it was the only micro I had working at 3.3V 17:46:26 eep! 17:46:26 dont vaccuum :) 17:48:05 i got two samples some while ago of the Texas Instrument MSP430 chips, they could run on potatoes(yep, small requirements ;p) and had a builtin bootloader feature, so I could do the hardware myself, but i'vre read the errata and the bootlaoder wasnt functionning so I got these for absolutely nothing lol 17:48:45 Atmel have 4bits chips named MARC4, programmable in forth 17:49:26 but I dont any distributor nearby 17:55:46 nec has a 75x ive used before, not sure it would be any good for a forth tho 17:55:54 they are 4 bit 17:56:23 crow: the architecture actually is a stack machine on marc4 17:56:35 most any chip is programmable in Forth 17:57:04 --- quit: davidw (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17:57:53 those marc4 would be great, a low power stack machine with isp capability is what i need 17:58:20 i have SXs and AVRs but they run on 5V 17:58:20 one of the marc4 chips also has a fair amount of one time programmable memory on board 17:58:38 thefox ever seen an nec 75x ? its realy weird heh 17:59:00 no 18:00:51 I was thinking about MicroElectricoMechanical fab the other day and thinking about the mechanics of those micro turbines. I wondered if anyone has considered building a fluidic computer using MEMs. 18:01:53 I was also thinking that it would be fun to build a micro sized gas powered wankel generator 18:02:43 they could actually produce burning chips just by doping silicon 18:03:01 they could build multistage rockets the size of a human hair or less 18:03:16 ive read that story somewhere i dont recall exactly 18:03:31 but selfdestructing chips are doable ;p 18:04:15 burning and exploding silicon has been done, but those use a lead based explosive that produces a good deal of thrust 18:05:44 ive seen transistors that had exploded :) 18:06:02 ive seen diodes explode right before my eyes ;p 18:06:24 I also like the idea of electronic circuits on air gel semiconductor. It has a dialectric about as high as air, so not only is the stuff almost weightless but it is several times faster than circuits on silicon. 18:07:39 I had one of those exploding chip stories. One time an engineer gave me a prototype board on which the on/off switch was a one foot long 110 volt plug into a socket. ;-) 18:08:24 The board had various jumpers. The day he went on vacation to Hawaii while the board was off, a loose wire 18:09:31 fell into the 110v receptical. Pow, the CPU lid blew as the gold wires vaporized and the lid flew accross the room with a big flash of light. All the memory chips were fried but a new cpu and memories got it working again. 18:10:32 But I was talking about microcontrollers with explosive in the semiconductor. 18:11:18 for what purpose ? 18:11:23 mission: impossible come true, heh ;p 18:11:23 as a weapon or justn to destroy the chip 18:12:27 the story was ultimate encryption with tamper detection and self destruction, but I think they would make real nice very very tiny fuses 18:12:46 not electrical fuses, explosive fuses 18:13:03 prolly 18:13:12 they make electronically fired ammunition now for handguns 18:13:21 forth programmable one piece blasting cap ;p 18:13:50 smart bullets for handguns 18:14:08 heh 18:14:12 any hand rail guns on the market yet 18:14:18 one time use only :) 18:14:30 i saw some experimental projects on that 18:14:34 with a typical computer disclaimer 18:14:56 I mean for civilians 18:15:11 they were using high current high voltage discharge to crush cans 18:15:14 it was homemade 18:15:23 they arent reliable 18:15:48 smart gun technology might be worth trusting your life to in about 4 or 5 hundred years 18:15:48 i sure wouldnt trust MY life to one 18:15:59 i would be too affrade microsoft had coded it 18:17:46 i would love to have computers that gentically program themselves 18:18:04 genetically 18:18:49 Ever read Neural Darwinism? 18:19:01 i read stuff some while ago about GP and it was great, a quite bruteforce approach but it works 18:19:06 nope 18:19:15 check it out 18:19:38 it's not about computers, but there are some computer models in it 18:20:35 its about a nobel prize winner's theory of neuronal group evolution 18:22:20 I did some enhancements to a cool genetic algorithm design optimization program for gradient refractive index solar collectors and it was fun stuff. 18:23:54 I was hoping that it would stumble on a way to break Louival's theorm. (sp?) 18:24:12 the very first artcile I saw on the subject was that a guy used an fpga as the testbed to his genetic algorithm experiments 18:25:48 It can always be done in software simulations on a PC too 18:25:50 about louival's theorem: A bounded entire function in the complex plane is constant. The fundamental theorem of algebra 18:25:50 follows as a simple corollary. 18:26:00 this math is out of this owlrd for me i think 18:26:01 lol 18:26:44 yes the guy used an PC to simultae it, sicne programming take too much time 18:27:13 in optics the law means that you can only get so much magnification for so much angle of acceptance. 18:28:14 we were right on it with 4.5 mag at 44 degree angle of acceptance but I just had this gnawing feeling that somewhere out there in that huge search space was some solution that would violate that law. 18:29:34 these high gradient refractive index materials were weird and combined with the right shape and gradients I still wonder.. 18:30:51 ive done some work in physics class on optics but not much, only the basic formulas 18:31:04 for lens 18:31:45 grin calculations are included in lens design, but the gradients are normally only .02 while we were working with gradients of .5 18:32:53 when you see the laser beams bending at the right angles that you put into the inside of the glass it makes you wonder 18:34:30 someone I know who has been working on it for the last fifteen years and has some patents might be able to tell me if they have indeed broken that law regarding some of the new optical devices 18:35:59 I saw an advertizement last year on the net for a hologram project for trade shows. You program in a string and it displays it on a banner projected in the air above your booth. But I could never find the page again! 18:36:10 hologram projector 18:36:28 it was about $600 18:37:10 if anyone ever stumbles on it let me know 18:41:33 cool 18:41:34 i saw 18:41:41 in the ltest radioshack catalog 18:41:47 a little clock that was projecting 18:42:03 the hour on the wall in front of you with red light 18:42:21 its not a wristwatch, more like the one near your bed 18:42:45 2x3x1" small, 50$CAN 18:43:01 but i never saw it in action i dont have an idea how it works 18:44:55 im off topic but hey i never saw anything like a holographic projector ;pppp 18:56:17 yeah, but the clock just has a lens and a light. I wanted to play with the hologram projector that I saw even if the resolution was very very low. 18:56:41 a markee hanging in the air would get peoples attention at trade shows 18:57:06 and it would be fun around the house to use on unsuspecting guests... you just saw what? 18:58:13 but I'd like to have a little household robot that could project a decent moving 3D hologram of Obi 1. 18:58:45 i saw for parties laser cannons 18:58:46 Oh, I'm sorry that was Princess Lea 18:58:51 that could scan images on skys 19:00:06 on clouds I mean 19:00:33 some guys ported masm to that system, the name was a Pangolin IIRC 19:00:48 they could play old atari games 19:00:56 I went to Dr. Megavolt's garage sale last week. But they didn't have what I was looking for. 19:00:58 and arcade games n the sky ;p 19:01:44 I guess you could load a Forth into the game cartridge and ... 19:08:44 later 19:10:09 --- quit: thefox () 19:38:16 --- join: futhin (~thin@h24-64-175-61.cg.shawcable.net) joined #forth 19:38:49 hello 19:42:18 HI! 19:42:23 SEXY! 19:43:22 hi I440r :) 19:43:43 eh??? 19:43:45 lol now thats what i call a delayed reaction ehh 19:55:45 heh 19:55:53 I was... gone :) 19:55:55 i440r: sup.. 19:55:58 heh 20:03:20 what's happening? 20:03:56 * futhin sees i440r hasn't updated the website. oh well 20:04:08 im getting no i keep forgetting 20:05:17 --- nick: ^n^ -> nothing 20:34:00 --- quit: CrowKiller (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:36:38 i'm hurt, herkamire wants somebody to change the topic 20:36:38 lol 20:37:02 --- mode: ChanServ set +o futhin 20:38:02 --- topic: set to 'Our mantra: Good code is written code | x86 Linux Forth coded in asm - http://isforth.clss.net | home of forth - http://www.ultratechnology.com' by futhin 20:42:20 lol 20:48:23 argh, thefox joins yesterday and then there's a netsplit so i can't see what other comments he made about the topic lol 20:52:29 if any 20:57:17 --- quit: Soap` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21:07:33 --- mode: futhin set -o futhin 21:24:40 --- join: dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1aa-222.clvhoh.adelphia.net) joined #forth 21:24:53 --- quit: sif (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:08:43 --- quit: dsmith (Remote closed the connection) 22:28:32 --- quit: futhin ("sleep") 22:39:10 --- join: Soap` (~flop@202-0-42-22.cable.paradise.net.nz) joined #forth 23:19:17 --- part: I440r left #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/02.06.13