00:00:00 --- log: started forth/02.05.20 01:38:19 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 01:44:58 --- quit: sif (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:45:18 --- join: sif (~siforth@ip68-9-58-81.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 01:45:18 Type sif: (or /msg sif to play in private) 01:45:56 sif: ." barcaro" 01:45:58 davidw: 01:46:08 sif: S" barcaro" . 01:46:09 davidw: Word not found: S" 01:46:24 sif: 67 emit 01:46:25 davidw: stack underflow 01:59:01 --- join: rob_ert (~robert@h237n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #forth 02:19:35 --- join: Serg_penguin (~z@nat-ch0.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 02:22:45 hi all ! 02:36:11 --- join: onetom_ (tom@adsl52037.vnet.hu) joined #forth 02:37:57 hi 02:43:55 --- nick: Serg_penguin -> penguin_afk 02:49:16 hi 02:57:17 hi 03:10:48 --- nick: penguin_afk -> penguin 03:11:07 --- nick: penguin -> penguin_serg 03:15:57 --- quit: penguin_serg ("Unplugging my box to switch in another comp what needs to be mirror-installed with Linux...") 04:10:15 --- join: Serg_penguin (~z@nat-ch0.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 04:28:46 --- quit: onetom_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:36:25 --- join: onetom_ (tom@adsl52057.vnet.hu) joined #forth 04:37:07 --- join: Speuler (~l@a161161.upc-a.chello.nl) joined #forth 04:37:19 'morning 04:37:32 Morning :) 04:38:46 hi 04:39:12 any beautified log of the day b4 yesterday? 04:39:56 does anybody know of such? 04:40:12 artistically cut chunks of trees ? 04:44:01 --- quit: Serg_penguin () 04:45:04 --- nick: onetom_ -> onetom 04:45:46 * rob_ert continues to write his networking code 04:45:55 ?? 04:56:26 http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/forth/02.05.18 04:57:45 Dar 04:57:53 I've forgot how to log on to IRC 04:58:12 How can I log in, join a channel and send a simple message? 04:59:19 USER : 04:59:27 And more? 04:59:27 NICK 04:59:30 :D 04:59:34 JOIN 04:59:38 * rob_ert kisses his little oink. 04:59:39 Thanks. 05:00:04 How are the strings terminated 05:00:04 the server doesn't care about hostname and servername btw, so you replace it by anything you want :D 05:00:05 ? 05:00:10 \n\0 05:00:12 :D 05:00:14 uhm 05:00:20 0x0a, 0x00 ? 05:00:26 0x0a, only that 05:00:35 Okz0r! 05:00:57 http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/rfc/rfc1459.html#sec-4.1.3 05:00:57 :) 05:02:33 Bah 05:02:34 ;) 05:02:45 LORTFM. 05:02:52 (Let Oink Read The Fucking Manual) 05:02:53 xD 05:02:57 pffff :) 05:14:02 --- quit: Speuler (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:16:35 --- join: Serg_penguin (~z@nat-ch0.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 05:19:12 welcome back serg 05:19:39 Privet 05:20:07 rob_ert: oh, watta intelligence ;p 05:20:15 i,m for just a minute... 05:20:55 ocseny haraso ;) 05:21:14 Serg_penguin: do u have any questions? 05:21:21 Serg_penguin: do u have a homepage? 05:21:38 if goshawk will surface, :) point him to www.technoforth.ru 05:21:44 no page 05:23:13 sad 05:23:44 tell us sg about yourself, then 05:24:00 (tech related things ofcourse) 05:24:06 moscow, russia, 23, male, 05:24:17 forth, c , perl, basic ;) 05:24:25 basic :D 05:24:36 linux - adv user; nt -admin 05:24:42 BASIC XD 05:24:49 tell more about forth 05:24:57 what distro? 05:25:01 What's your favourite forth? :D 05:25:14 none good, just wrote sokoban and started air combat game 05:25:23 coding since winterval... 05:25:41 gp-forth and smal32 05:25:54 www.forth.org.ru, links at homepage... 05:26:07 "air combat game"? 05:26:09 1st - 64k com, 2nd - dos dpmi... 05:26:12 3d stuff? 05:26:17 in what lang? forth? 05:26:28 why not ? 05:26:40 did i say: not? 05:27:03 no bells'n'whistles, just like f117 or maybe Yeager from el-arts 1991 05:27:51 but did not started 3d code.. 05:27:54 afk... 05:28:25 have a look @ bigforth 05:28:35 it has opengl interface 05:28:44 under lin&win 2 05:31:36 Hmm 05:32:03 I'm sending this to carter.openprojects.net 05:32:38 "USER forth_bot a.net a.net :Forth Bot", 0x0a 05:32:46 "NICK forth_bot",0x0a 05:32:52 "JOIN #forth",0x0a 05:32:56 Why doesn't it work? 05:33:02 tcpdump :) 05:33:07 /whois says he's not online... 05:33:08 oink: ? 05:33:12 oh 05:33:22 you need to send back a PONG when it gets a PING 05:33:32 Hmmzz... 05:33:39 Guess I should listen, too :) 05:33:47 listen ? :) 05:33:51 How do I check for input data without using select() ? 05:33:52 Hehe 05:33:59 Nah, recv() should be enough.- 05:34:06 :D 05:35:23 Hmm 05:35:27 man 2 poll 05:35:28 :)) 05:37:19 bah! :D 05:39:44 rob_ert: dont forget the PING-PONG! 05:40:18 oops, ive missed that oink already told u that 05:40:52 :D 05:40:56 --- join: I440r (~mark4@1Cust194.tnt3.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #forth 05:40:59 oink is my left hand 05:41:01 Hi I440r 05:41:12 (And yeah, I'm left-handed ;) 05:41:22 well isforth now supports hashing:) 05:41:24 serg = new person ? 05:41:27 :-} 05:41:32 pff :) 05:41:48 I440r: Nice... why not release it? :) I want the new features ;) 05:41:55 hehe 05:41:58 im about to 05:42:15 Nice. 05:42:41 Another thing, why isn't isforth recompiled every time it's started? Even on slow computer that only takes a second... 05:43:32 lol compile is twice as fast now :) 05:43:43 because thats a crappy way to do it 05:43:57 How would you like to do it then? 05:43:58 it IS an option after the extend tho 05:44:15 this is how i want it 05:44:23 ./isforth - fload meatcompiler 05:44:30 Hehe :) 05:44:36 the metacompiler loads the source to the kernel and recompiles it 05:44:40 we now have a new kernel.com 05:44:51 ./kernel.com - fload isforth.f 05:44:55 :) 05:44:56 the kernel extends itsel 05:45:17 you now have a full blown kernel with debugger, disassembler, blah, blah, blah 05:45:25 a complete development environment 05:45:30 Hmm... where do you have code to use the poll() syscall? 05:45:38 It can be used with sockets, can't it? 05:45:50 however. thats a LITTLE fat for application code 05:45:59 poll is used in io.1 on key? 05:46:08 OK, I'll check 05:46:09 Danke. 05:46:15 so. you would make a copy of isforth.f 05:46:24 comment out all the fluff you dont need in your application 05:46:42 compile a NEW extended kernel with ONLY those things you need 05:47:04 Yeah. 05:47:10 you would then compile your application on top of the minimal forth and turnkey 05:47:31 turnkey will eventyually discard the entire compiler vocabulary 05:47:36 and the root vocabulary 05:47:43 Would it be possible for isforth to detect unused words and not save them when turnkeyd? 05:47:48 and any other vocabularies the user marks as transient 05:48:20 not as she stands right now. because to remove some primative from the kernel means recompiling the kernel MINUS that word 05:48:48 oh 05:49:00 for the development kernel im going to add an option for profiling 05:49:29 will make running your code slower but it will tell you where your code spends most of its time 05:49:41 Nice. 05:49:42 in the application kernel you wont have profiling 05:49:57 cant have any of this till i get a metacompiler 05:50:04 What kind of assembler will you have? 05:50:06 cant have a metacompiler without an assembler 05:50:11 NASM-style? Forth-like syntax? 05:50:18 i WANT nasm style 05:50:33 i dislike forth like assemblers intensly 05:50:39 :) 05:50:41 assembler is ASSEMBLER 05:50:58 Oh, another thing.... How can you do a compile-time calculation and compile the result as a literal? 05:51:01 but if i get that ill be lucky 05:51:23 i would realy like a forth assembler that can take the existing NASM source files and assemble them AS IS 05:51:29 or with minimal modification 05:51:51 by the way, 05:52:00 10 for do-stuff next 05:52:05 is NOT done that way 05:52:10 10 for do-stuff nxt 05:52:16 -----about 3d - forget opengl 05:52:20 i REFUSE to make a new definition for next 05:52:33 386 or so... 05:52:37 lol that i know :) 05:52:47 the best thing about using a forthish style for assemblers is that it makes the code at least superficially a little bit more similar between platforms 05:53:02 nasm is bass-ackwards compared with other assemblers 05:53:05 hehe thats a complete NONE issue :) 05:53:23 So... how did I compile a literal? 05:53:27 nasm is also very b0rken 05:53:34 ? 05:53:46 0 const this-compiles-as-a-literl 05:53:46 hehe 05:53:50 In another forth it is: ] 4 6 + [ literal 05:53:50 that way works :) 05:54:07 : foo [ something 8 * literal ] blah blah ; 05:54:19 you have the [ and ] the wrong way round 05:54:21 I see. 05:54:29 * rob_ert . o O ( ooops... ) 05:54:37 plus... 05:54:56 literal has to be an immediate word if its outside the [ ] 05:55:01 [ blah literal ] 05:55:05 doesnt need to be immediate 05:55:11 [ blah ] literal 05:55:11 does 05:55:31 is serg a forth coder ? 05:55:38 He said so. 05:55:43 cool :) 05:55:52 beginning ;) 05:55:52 brb coffee 05:55:55 i didnt sleep last nite 05:55:58 Heh 05:56:12 neither did I 05:56:20 i was writing the code to go through the entire dictionary and totally relink all the headers onto different chains heh 05:56:29 * davidw had his girlfriend over 05:56:31 it works very nicely too 05:56:31 neither i :) 05:56:39 I slept :) 05:56:43 davidw dammit - does she have a sister ? 05:56:45 heh 05:56:45 brb 05:56:54 * onetom has just started w a new 1 ;) 05:57:12 onetom: used the old one up? 05:57:32 :)) no, not really 05:57:49 i also "have" her too, 2 some extent :/ 05:58:40 bush is a fucking idiot 05:58:55 I guess that doesn't have anything to do with forth, though 05:59:22 --- quit: Serg_penguin ("BELL WHISTLE dive,dive...") 05:59:25 bush is fucking us over big time. he is realy starting to piss me off 05:59:29 I bet if bush coded, he would use playdo 05:59:44 david he isnt stupid 05:59:49 he is just WEAK 06:00:01 caves into those lefti fags all the time 06:00:01 Should he attack Europe? 06:00:26 if bush was more aggressive at home he could politically assassinate daschle 06:00:34 who deserves to be fucking assassinated 06:00:48 Doesn't [ turn the compiler on? 06:00:55 --- join: Speuler (~l@a161161.upc-a.chello.nl) joined #forth 06:01:09 Hi again. 06:01:14 bongo isforth now hashes :) 06:01:15 hi 06:01:30 rob_ert: yeah, stupid lefti fag europeans;-) 06:01:30 isforth consumes illicit substances ? 06:01:35 so isforth is the king of kongo ;p 06:01:37 lol ya 06:01:41 davidw: ;) 06:02:21 any noticable speed improvement ? 06:03:00 Speuler: I440r is faster than ever 06:03:26 should get better when the dictionary grows 06:03:30 yes 06:03:36 i think its twice as fast 06:03:39 compared to linked-list search 06:03:46 and im going to add another speed improvement too 06:04:11 im going to memory map source files. point 'tib at the memory map and make #tib equal to the file size 06:04:20 refill will unmap the file 06:04:31 now THAT will be PHAST!!! 06:05:05 not sure 'bout that ... 06:05:31 after all, when reading a file as several parts, it will most likely be buffered anyway 06:08:06 spuler doing reads via sys read makes the kernel read till its buffer is full 06:08:15 IT then has the data. in KERNEL space 06:08:21 it has to MOVE it into user space 06:08:56 by memorymapping the file goes directly into user space. no multiple reads - and being able to use the file buffer ad TIB and setting #tib to the file size.... 06:09:13 dont need to keep reading the file over and over at the end of each line 06:09:40 btw. isforth.clss.net for the new release 06:09:57 Yay. 06:09:59 What's new? 06:10:06 for/nxt 06:10:10 hashed dictionary 06:10:16 a cpl of other things 06:10:19 :) 06:10:27 w@ w! and w, ? 06:10:30 oh i added w@ and w! 06:10:33 readded themn 06:10:37 erm no w, 06:10:41 :( 06:10:42 forgot that one lol 06:10:50 You know what to do.. ;) 06:10:52 you can add it and ill add it here too 06:10:56 Uh 06:11:02 You can add it in 4 seconds. 06:11:09 I already have it here. 06:11:21 yes and take 5 minuts to update the release lol 06:11:43 no. w, can be released in the next one - just add your w, to my new release and ill add it here too 06:12:08 Well... I won't upgrade now anyway. 06:12:14 I'll add it when I need it, 06:13:00 robert do you have a slow machine ? 06:13:15 if so i WANT you to upgrade :P 06:13:52 P200 06:14:09 wooohooo, that rocks ;) 06:14:09 I'll save 0.5 seconds of computer time in a week. Yay. 06:14:28 onetom its only twice as fast 06:14:32 onetom: Best of all, I have 2 ;) 06:14:43 100* faster compiling and it would be woooohoooo able :P 06:14:43 loll 06:14:51 posh :p 06:15:32 I440r: lol -- who nice constructs do u make 06:23:31 wher ? 06:23:54 err - where even 06:28:34 --- join: davidw_ (~davidw@adsl-ull-206-100.42-151.net24.it) joined #forth 06:40:02 --- quit: davidw (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 06:41:46 --- join: juu (ammu@baana-62-165-189-112.phnet.fi) joined #forth 06:44:13 murr juu. 06:44:18 hehe 06:44:21 agh 06:44:29 i'll never find any nickname not in use :) 06:44:36 :D 06:44:54 /nick 1_4m_d4_l33t_b0yz0r!$#?!! 06:45:34 --- join: onetom_ (tom@adsl52033.vnet.hu) joined #forth 06:46:29 --- nick: davidw_ -> davidw 06:47:03 --- quit: onetom (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:47:03 --- nick: onetom_ -> onetom 06:52:33 hi ammu 06:53:25 muu! 06:53:30 hihii 06:53:33 i have to read one book 06:53:35 hihiiii ? 06:53:37 :D 06:53:55 * juu was accepted to UIAH.fi and UROVA.fi/~ttk/ selection tests 06:53:58 that's not so easy 06:54:01 :D 06:54:08 maybe i coudl get a study place 06:54:11 ok 06:54:15 uiah is one of the world very best art schools :) 06:54:16 hi muu 06:54:21 * juu = juu 06:54:23 oho 06:54:28 * juu = mur :) 06:54:42 mur: who is ammu ? 06:54:44 juu: Can you paint? =D 06:54:54 rob_ert industrial art that is 06:54:58 Oh.. 06:55:02 ammuu is what finnish cows say 06:55:03 Design a computer for me! 06:55:10 rob_ert no that's design 06:55:12 :) 06:55:17 but field of industrial art too 06:55:20 ah 06:55:26 i'm goign to graphical design 06:55:31 it covers like everythign 2d art 06:55:35 XD 06:55:51 no paiting, rob_ert, that is not industrial arts 07:04:41 1tom: what happened to your bot ? 07:07:56 Speuler: i havent restarted it yet 07:08:17 Speuler: ive experienced strange problems on my server 07:08:57 Speuler: and i dont know what causes those 07:12:04 --- join: gforth (guest@adsl52033.vnet.hu) joined #forth 07:13:31 1tom: it wasn't me :) 07:13:38 Suuure... 07:13:49 onetom what strange problems ? 07:13:57 * rob_ert remembers Speuler's s" rm -rf /" system 07:14:04 my bot just keeps doing server connects in an infinite loop now 07:14:34 yet it connects to the local ircd i have running on my laptop without a hitch 07:16:08 rob_ert: remember what did i tell u?.. 07:16:16 What? 07:16:32 I440r: the server doesnt allow me 2 login & the X dies 07:17:01 rob_ert: i know my system is not secure @ all, so its not a challange 2 hack it 07:17:06 Oh.. 07:17:14 Hehe, I'm not desctructive anyway 07:17:21 Unlike... the evil Speuler! 07:17:55 * Speuler destructive ?? 07:18:03 fairy tales 07:18:07 hes just talented ;) 07:18:25 Hehe 07:18:28 ask 1tom what effort i took to keep his system INTACT ! 07:18:43 could have trashed it easily :) 07:19:12 lol 07:19:29 rob_ert: more of those stories, and i have to find out how to leave YOUR system intact :) 07:19:39 ,-D 07:19:41 you mean you had to make a concerted effort NOT to trash it ? 07:19:43 lol 07:20:19 50 bucks on that you don't dare to trash Chuck Moores' system! 07:20:28 lol 07:20:37 chippy wouldnt mind 07:20:41 give him something to fix :) 07:20:46 Heh 07:20:48 rob_ert: your right, i win 07:21:03 XD 07:22:19 sed s/rob_ert// 07:24:12 X-( 07:24:32 XD ? 07:24:33 echo pkill -u rob_ert >> /home/rob_ert/.bashrc 07:24:37 another spanish guy ? :D 07:24:43 Hmmm.... when I connect to this computer on the telnet port, I can read 12 bytes of data 07:24:52 255 253 24 255 etc... 07:24:57 Is thst normal? 07:24:58 rob_ert: yey 07:25:01 telnet negotiation 07:25:03 Or have I made an error? 07:25:04 Oh 07:25:09 May I connect to you instead? 07:25:19 yeah 07:25:19 That script still up? 07:25:24 yup 07:25:25 :) 07:25:48 gforth: -1 base ! schnadelwu . 07:25:51 Speuler: -2 07:26:06 haha 07:28:05 gforth: 36 base ! today you are how . . . . 07:28:34 eh ? 07:30:30 gforth: base @ decimal . 07:31:14 1tom: bot hickup ? 07:32:41 Yay 07:32:50 I can now receive data =D 07:35:07 --- join: gforth0 (guest@adsl52032.vnet.hu) joined #forth 07:35:44 gforth0: 36 base ! today you are how . . . . 07:36:39 --- nick: Speuler -> CaffeineJunkie 07:45:37 --- join: onetom_ (tom@adsl52032.vnet.hu) joined #forth 07:46:25 --- quit: onetom (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:46:26 --- nick: onetom_ -> onetom 07:47:39 --- quit: gforth (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:47:39 --- nick: gforth0 -> gforth 07:47:53 gforth: 36 base ! today you are how . . . . 07:47:56 CaffeineJunkie: HOW ARE YOU TODAY 07:47:59 ah 07:48:33 :} 07:48:41 How cute. 07:48:54 gforth: -7 base ! 666 . 07:48:58 rob_ert: 9 07:49:01 Hmm 07:49:06 lol 07:49:15 That looks wrong. 07:49:18 >:) 07:50:38 666 is an invalid number in -1 base ! :) 07:50:58 unless you take -1 as an unsigned number :) 07:51:32 I440r: that's the case here 07:52:22 gforth: 1 base ! 1 . 07:52:26 rob_ert: in file included from *the terminal*:-1 07:52:27 rob_ert: /tmp/fsock-sh-server.request.tmp:46: Undefined word 07:52:27 rob_ert: 1 base ! 1 . 07:52:27