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02:10:53 <davidw> howdy
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02:38:53 <oink> heya
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05:46:00 <oink> wow ..
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07:18:51 <Juu> ouch
07:18:59 <Juu> i have now like 20 or so cahnnels open
07:19:12 <Juu> damn with this application whcih opened wrong channels in wrong server :)
07:25:19 <rob_ert> xD
07:26:33 <Juu> rob_ert 
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09:30:55 <rob_ert> Hey futhin :-)
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09:39:14 <futhin> howdy evil rob_ert
09:40:03 <rob_ert> Am I evil?
09:41:01 <oink> ?YES
09:41:03 <oink> oops
09:41:07 <oink> yes you are.
09:44:57 <rob_ert> Hrm...
09:45:05 <rob_ert> ¡Hola!
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11:15:43 <rob_ert> Hey
11:17:02 <GilbertBSD> Hej
11:17:06 <GilbertBSD> :D
11:18:32 <rob_ert> Tjena
11:18:34 <rob_ert> Hur går det?
11:20:08 <GilbertBSD> Nyet
11:20:14 <GilbertBSD> :D
11:20:43 <rob_ert> Hehe
11:20:53 * rob_ert pets his BS
11:20:54 <rob_ert> D
11:22:52 <GilbertBSD> O nane kaka dan
11:23:01 <GilbertBSD> O yitso agbo waa dientse
11:23:23 <GilbertBSD> :D 
11:23:37 <GilbertBSD> No matter what you do, you will never be able to figure that out.
11:23:42 <GilbertBSD> It is not gibberish.
11:24:39 <rob_ert> kaka = cookie
11:24:43 <rob_ert> dan = the day
11:24:56 <rob_ert> :)
11:25:06 <rob_ert> Oh, * cookie of the day!
11:25:12 <GilbertBSD> do you know what kaka means in english?
11:25:19 <rob_ert> Nopenope.
11:25:29 <rob_ert> xD
11:25:41 <GilbertBSD> hmmm it is a waste product excreted by humans occasionaly.
11:26:16 * rob_ert pukes at GilbertBSD
11:26:19 <rob_ert> That one+
11:26:22 <GilbertBSD> nope.
11:26:26 <GilbertBSD> the _other_ one.
11:26:31 <GilbertBSD> number 2.
11:26:35 * rob_ert shits in GilbertBSD's hair.
11:26:44 <GilbertBSD> you dirty bastard!
11:26:50 <rob_ert> >:)
11:27:21 <GilbertBSD> how do you say good?
11:27:48 <rob_ert> "Bra"
11:27:53 <rob_ert> :D
11:28:44 <GilbertBSD> and how do you say bra then if Bra means good?
11:28:55 <rob_ert> BH
11:29:27 <GilbertBSD> BH?
11:29:33 <GilbertBSD> that isn't even a word is it?
11:29:34 <rob_ert> Pronounced "Bee-Hau"
11:29:45 <GilbertBSD> Aaa beee Hau
11:29:51 <GilbertBSD> is that how you pronounce H?
11:29:53 <rob_ert> With swedish "e" sound.
11:30:23 <rob_ert> H is pronounced "hå" ~= "hau"
11:30:44 <rob_ert> B is pronounced "bee", but not like in english
11:34:59 <GilbertBSD> .se ish is an odd language so far.
11:35:33 <rob_ert> No.
11:35:35 <rob_ert> It's good.
11:35:46 <rob_ert> http://www.islamiska.org/
11:35:53 <rob_ert> Swedish page.
11:35:58 <rob_ert> Use it to learn.
11:39:42 <GilbertBSD> are there any famous .se movies?
11:39:53 <GilbertBSD> I live across the street from a movie store I could go check them out.
11:40:22 <rob_ert> :)
11:40:23 <rob_ert> Hmm
11:41:12 <rob_ert> Not sure if there are any that famous
11:41:32 <GilbertBSD> I saw one a while ago about a golfer ...
11:41:34 <rob_ert> "Fucking Åmål" is the only thing I can think of atm
11:41:37 <rob_ert> Hah
11:41:44 <rob_ert> Den ofrivillge golfaren
11:41:50 <rob_ert> With Lasse Åberg?
11:41:59 <GilbertBSD> I don't remember the title, it was in english.
11:42:05 <rob_ert> Bah
11:42:24 <rob_ert> It's about a guy who's cleaning the street
11:42:27 <GilbertBSD> I do remember there was a stuck up manager in there somewhere and his job was to make sure everything was in order.
11:42:31 <GilbertBSD> But he was a pain.
11:42:37 <rob_ert> Hmm
11:42:39 <rob_ert> Well
11:42:44 <rob_ert> Did they go to Engliand?
11:42:47 <rob_ert> England*
11:43:17 <GilbertBSD> I don't remember. It was more of a competition between 2 men... one the manager of the golf course,  and the other guy was trying to steal his woman
11:43:55 <rob_ert> Hmm
11:44:04 <rob_ert> Sounds like that one, yes
11:44:20 <rob_ert> Did the "other" guy wear glasses and look like a nerd?
11:44:42 <GilbertBSD> Yes I think.
11:44:54 <GilbertBSD> the manager guy was very very proper though.
11:45:12 <GilbertBSD> He drove a volvo, and everything was absolutely neat and in order about him.
11:45:32 <GilbertBSD> basically, he was a brown noser/ ass kisser
11:45:39 <rob_ert> :)
11:50:59 <Juu> re
11:51:17 <GilbertBSD> Murr Juu
11:52:57 <rob_ert> gurr gurr
11:53:13 <Juu> mur murr
11:54:14 <rob_ert> 8gfe48pg repgfpe
11:55:56 <GilbertBSD> and what goes 'gurr'?
11:56:20 <rob_ert> Nothing.
11:56:23 <Juu> rob_ert does
11:56:52 <Juu> or nothing and rob_ert :)
11:57:11 <GilbertBSD> NO thing goes gurr.
11:57:19 <GilbertBSD> or an object named Nothing goes gurr
11:57:31 <rob_ert> :-D
11:57:35 <Juu> but dont call rob_ert nothing again ;)
11:57:38 <rob_ert> XD
12:00:19 <GilbertBSD> So robert, do you get to do anything else apart from computers?
12:01:29 <rob_ert> School.
12:01:31 <rob_ert> Math.
12:01:35 <rob_ert> ...read.
12:02:00 <GilbertBSD> read what?
12:02:04 <rob_ert> Books.
12:02:19 <Juu> what books?
12:02:28 <Juu> maths your hobby?
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12:03:50 <rob_ert> Mostly novels.
12:04:45 <GilbertBSD> Have you ever read a book on economics?
12:05:04 <rob_ert> No.
12:07:40 <Juu> GilbertBSD you coudl just ask "are you insane yet?" ;)
12:09:49 <GilbertBSD> Juu: I study economics.
12:10:39 <Juu> yay
12:10:46 <Juu> ;
12:10:48 <Juu> was it
12:11:24 <GilbertBSD> so does it mean I am insane? :|
12:11:33 <rob_ert> Of course :D
12:11:45 <rob_ert> Are you a communist?
12:13:37 <Juu> no
12:13:49 <Juu> but robert is soo young ;)
12:14:03 <Juu> reading thick books of economics woudl be weird
12:14:08 <Juu> suppposingly
12:14:55 <GilbertBSD> they don't have to be thick.
12:15:06 <Juu> yes, no
12:15:09 <Juu> but still
12:15:20 <GilbertBSD> All he needs to understand and follow much economic discourse is a good grounding in logic
12:15:21 <Juu> university books are quite hmm.. well different compared to "normal" books
12:15:26 <GilbertBSD> and by that I mean sentential logic.
12:15:52 <GilbertBSD> there are non university economics books, like 'butterfly economics' for instance.
12:15:57 <Juu> :)
12:16:18 <Juu> GilbertBSD maths your hobby?
12:16:34 <GilbertBSD> No logic is.
12:16:52 <rob_ert> :)
12:17:14 <GilbertBSD> mathematics is nice to a certain extent, but it gets in the way sometimes.
12:17:53 * Juu likes some parts of maths, but school succeed killing taht intrest too
12:18:03 <Juu> not that i woudl be dummy, but i have got all possible grades
12:18:06 <rob_ert> xD
12:18:06 <Juu> and that is many :)
12:18:14 <Juu> not failed though
12:18:31 <rob_ert> Bah
12:18:34 <rob_ert> You suck :D
12:18:35 <rob_ert> bbl
12:18:42 <Juu> i dont
12:23:15 <GilbertBSD> so robert what about mathematics are they killing in you?
12:23:21 <GilbertBSD> wait, that was for juu
12:23:26 <GilbertBSD> Juu what about it
12:24:46 <Juu> yo mean are mathematicians killing me?
12:24:56 <Juu> my only lack was intrest and time
12:25:02 <GilbertBSD> ah I see.
12:25:04 <Juu> no intrest never enough time
12:25:06 <GilbertBSD> so what do you do with your time?
12:25:19 <Juu> depends 
12:25:32 <Juu> i though, can do maths if i just want to
12:25:55 <GilbertBSD> read economics
12:26:00 <Juu> but no, if the teachers are not motivating
12:26:01 <GilbertBSD> moooore fun
12:26:03 <Juu> ;)
12:26:04 <Juu> no
12:26:36 <Juu> i'm more into visual arts and humanistic areas (maybe cs but only as hobby)
12:28:07 <GilbertBSD> humanistic?
12:28:13 <GilbertBSD> what do you think economics is?
12:28:22 <GilbertBSD> File under social studies
12:28:36 <Juu> :)
12:28:42 <Juu> i mean languagages 
12:31:18 <GilbertBSD> Segagaugnal
12:32:18 <GilbertBSD> it is cold, I have to go back to my sleeping marathon.
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12:37:07 <davidw> hey guys
12:37:11 <davidw> this is cool:
12:37:13 <davidw> http://www.hempeldesigngroup.com/lego/pbForth/download.html
12:37:22 <Juu> but what is it?
12:37:34 <davidw> why don't you read it and see for yourself
12:37:41 <davidw> wiseass;-)
12:37:51 <Juu> because..
12:37:53 <Juu> hmm..
12:37:54 <Juu> yea
12:37:56 <Juu> good idea
12:38:00 <Juu> why dind't you told it earlier ;)
12:39:01 <Juu> Creative Projects with LEGO Mindstorms
12:39:02 <Juu> by Ben Erwin
12:39:09 <Juu> hehe, reminds me of userfriendly
12:39:21 <Juu> where they bought lego mindstorms for 250 million
12:39:22 <Juu> :)
12:39:36 <Juu> and still one piece was missing :)
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12:54:23 <davidw> Juu: it's a forth for lego mindstorm
12:54:43 <davidw> however, in the same time you spent wondering what it is, you could have gone and read the pag
12:55:36 <rob_ert> Hmm
12:55:40 <rob_ert> Forth for Lego.. :D
12:55:58 <rob_ert> I'd like a little robot to pet.
12:56:25 * davidw .... I..I...I neeed some FISHBONE
12:56:36 * rob_ert stays away.
12:56:48 * Juu says murr
12:57:19 <davidw> www.fishbone.net - the baddest band on the planet
12:57:23 * Juu needs network backbone
12:57:31 * rob_ert listens to Nirvana
12:57:34 <Juu> baddest, not worst?
12:57:41 <rob_ert> :D
12:57:43 * Juu listens only good music
12:57:59 <rob_ert> So do I
12:58:04 <rob_ert> Nirvana isn't that bad, actually
12:58:10 <Juu> but you just told you listened to nirvana
12:58:16 <rob_ert> Hmm
12:58:18 <Juu> :)
12:58:24 <rob_ert> I usually don't listen to that kind of Music
12:58:30 <rob_ert> But Nirvana is an exception
12:58:33 <Juu> backupdotcom
12:58:41 <rob_ert> =D
12:59:16 * jim listens to -both- kinds of music... country AND western!
13:00:12 <davidw> fishbone can do 'alternative' 
13:00:17 <jim> (kidding, I like blues, funk, jazz, fusion and a very limited amount of classical)
13:00:21 <davidw> the thing is that they can do whatever else they want too
13:00:30 <davidw> jim: then you would like fishbone, probably
13:02:06 <Juu> jim what's the difference?
13:02:30 <jim> between?
13:02:36 <Juu> well
13:02:45 <Juu> if you can find some other differecnse please tell :)
13:02:56 <jim> country AND western? :) it's a joke :)
13:03:03 <Juu> yes
13:03:05 <Juu> but?
13:03:27 * Juu listens anything that sounds good, most likely, though, ambient, calm music, ochestral (not classical), ah. what am i trying to write
13:03:43 <davidw> fishbone is NOT calm
13:03:48 <jim> first(country) == c and first(western) == w... I think there are more differences :)
13:04:12 <jim> who's in fishbone?
13:04:16 <davidw> "if yer the good 'ol boys, who the hell was that"
13:04:17 <Juu> i never said fishbone were, what ever it is
13:04:42 <davidw> jim: Angelo Moore, Norwood Fisher, "Dirty" Walt, other dudes
13:05:05 <jim> what kinda stuff do they play?
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13:05:41 <davidw> jim: funk, punk, ska, alternative, whatever
13:05:54 <davidw> they can do it all
13:09:19 <davidw> fishbone is sort of the forth/scheme/whatever cool and underreppresented technology of the music world
13:09:40 <davidw> the problem is that they are black, and the record companies aren't that down with black bands who don't do rap
13:10:03 <jim> ahh,,, the same can be said for all of jazz
13:10:15 <davidw> and the buying public isn't, either, for that matter
13:10:25 <davidw> jazz is pretty well recognized, at least artistically
13:10:53 <Juu> yay
13:10:55 <jim> yeah, that's true... but it's not for the industry of today
13:11:02 <Juu> nowdays cartoons are also getting more artistic too
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13:11:19 <Juu> re gilby
13:11:21 <Juu> where were you?
13:11:28 <GilbertBSD> Ohio.
13:11:36 <jim> bring back the original pink panther... that was artistic :)
13:12:05 <GilbertBSD> and the music of the original pink panther.
13:12:10 <GilbertBSD> you do mean the cartoon no?
13:13:23 <Juu> oh 
13:13:24 <Juu> and where are you now then?
13:13:36 <GilbertBSD> oh
13:13:45 <GilbertBSD> ah I see...
13:13:57 <Juu> ah
13:13:58 <GilbertBSD> I went to make some tea, slept a little, woke up and came back in here.
13:14:00 <Juu> comics
13:14:55 <Juu> oh, whops, wrong langauge, 
13:15:03 <Juu> (removed what wrote)
13:15:14 <Juu> there ahve been comics in art galleries too
13:15:32 <Juu> maybe some day some other are reg as art
13:15:35 <Juu> recognized
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13:24:41 <GilbertBSD> nobody move
13:25:27 <rob_ert> OK.
13:25:41 <GilbertBSD> you moved :(
13:25:47 <rob_ert> :D
13:25:51 <rob_ert> Don't be sad.
13:25:58 <GilbertBSD> okay.
13:26:38 <davidw> uh, I farted - did that count?
13:26:47 <GilbertBSD> Yes that was movement.
13:27:00 <rob_ert> :(
13:27:31 <davidw> dammit, the problem with drinking early on in the evening is that you get sleepy
13:27:39 * Juu have not moved yet
13:27:43 <GilbertBSD> davidw: I have a couple a questions.
13:27:48 <GilbertBSD> Juu:  you just _moved_
13:27:53 <Juu> and that fart smells much, now long i wil lhave to stay intact
13:27:54 <jim> why are we all not moving??
13:27:57 <GilbertBSD> ahhh can't you all be like clog?
13:28:00 <GilbertBSD> he never moves!
13:28:01 <Juu> no i use telepathy, not mouth!
13:28:18 <GilbertBSD> <telepathy> This is telepathy </telepathy>
13:28:28 <Juu> but it is not
13:28:35 <rob_ert> I am the walrus.
13:28:38 <Juu> you encoded what you said in HTML!
13:28:40 <Juu> or xml
13:28:48 <GilbertBSD> Neither, just ML
13:28:50 <jim> The walrus was paul...
13:29:11 <rob_ert> No.
13:29:14 <rob_ert> I was the walrus.
13:29:25 <rob_ert> Glass Onion is a whole fucking lie.
13:29:39 <GilbertBSD> davidw:  did you dissapear again?
13:29:52 <GilbertBSD> rob_ert:  what is another word for f_cking in .se ?
13:30:04 <davidw> the w3c is proud to announce the TXML, or Telepath XML spec, version 1.0, which will enhance the adoption of telepathy in corporate environemnts by fulfilling a strategic position in the workplace that will enable a rich user experience
13:30:15 <rob_ert> Do you mean "fuck" as in have sex or just something to say when you're pissed?
13:30:24 <rob_ert> davidw: xD
13:30:39 <davidw> my swedish friend says that there is a word in swedish that means, more or less 'fuck friend'
13:30:54 <rob_ert> Heh
13:30:57 <davidw> (no, she's not that kind of friend)
13:30:59 <rob_ert> And that should be?
13:31:05 <davidw> I have no idea, I don't remember
13:31:05 <Juu> davidw are you sure?
13:31:08 <GilbertBSD> davidw:  you are a BSer par excellence
13:31:14 <davidw> Juu: yep
13:31:18 <rob_ert> Knullkompis? Heh...
13:31:27 <davidw> GilbertBSD: WRT the swedish bit, I'm not BS'ing
13:31:36 <GilbertBSD> wrt Txml
13:32:02 <davidw> rob_ert: she meant a person who isn't really someone you love, but just.. uh... yeah
13:32:09 <Juu> davidw sure sure or just sure?
13:32:14 <GilbertBSD> davidw:  a f_ck mate?
13:32:17 <davidw> Juu: I'm sure that's what she said
13:32:22 <Juu> or not sure if you are sure sure or just sure :)
13:32:39 <davidw> GilbertBSD: maybe I should get a job in Corporate Comunications
13:32:47 <Juu> davidw english has one too, it's called "bonzi buddy"
13:33:10 <GilbertBSD> yeah davidw it is all about saying incomprehensible things that most people are too ashamed to ask questions about for fear of appearing dumb
13:34:02 <davidw> I feel that it would be a role where I could bring a lot to the table, allowing FooCorp to really push the envelope, and share our company mission with the world, as well as creating a one-to-one rapport with the developer comunity who are our critical customers
13:34:40 <jim> so the action would happen on the table??
13:34:49 <davidw> jim: with the fuck-friend, yes
13:35:48 <davidw> although it might be inconvenient were an errant roomate to walk in at the wrong moment
13:36:18 <GilbertBSD> hahaha
13:37:57 * jim envisions something different for the catchphrase "Tell a friend"...
13:39:02 <davidw> wha'ts that from?
13:39:09 * davidw feels like he's been out of the US for too long
13:39:18 <jim> I dunno, Safeway?
13:39:33 <GilbertBSD> davidw:  you don't miss it do you?
13:39:41 <davidw> some things I do, of course
13:39:56 <davidw> namely, burritos, nachos, and tacos
13:40:08 <jim> heh :) no burritos?
13:40:09 <GilbertBSD> hahaha, Mehecan food.
13:40:20 <davidw> I met this texan woman here the other day
13:40:21 <davidw> holy shit
13:40:31 <davidw> I forgot how wierd some people are over there
13:40:38 <GilbertBSD> what do you mean?
13:40:43 <davidw> "Ah support Bush one hunnert percent, Ah love him..."
13:40:53 <GilbertBSD> hahahah
13:41:16 <jim> have her do a google search for bush crime family
13:41:25 <GilbertBSD> hehehehe :D
13:41:37 <jim> she'll be surprised to get more than 80,000 hits...
13:41:38 <davidw> I was about to say something, and I just deflated... why bother
13:41:46 <davidw> we are talking about someone who is still into mall bangs
13:42:03 <davidw> she doesn't even like pasta for god's sakes
13:42:04 <jim> what is a mall bang?
13:42:08 <GilbertBSD> was she young or old?
13:42:10 <davidw> jim: the utah claw
13:42:23 <jim> what is a utah claw? :)
13:42:28 <GilbertBSD> jim:  someone on Jerry Springer sports it.
13:42:49 <davidw> jim: big hair
13:42:58 <davidw> Big Texas Hair
13:43:01 <jim> ahh, gotcha
13:43:07 <jim> BTH
13:43:22 <davidw> you know, you see it and say "there's another layer of the ozone gone to hell"
13:43:31 <GilbertBSD> heheh.
13:43:41 <GilbertBSD> Post 80's big hair.
13:44:37 <Juu> GilbertBSD but how did you intended to get inside from door way :)
13:44:55 <GilbertBSD> Juu:  this is america, ANYTHING can be enlarged for a small fee.
13:44:59 <davidw> anyway, I had kind of put people like that out of my mind
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13:45:15 <davidw> she was even complaining about hte *pizza in Italy*
13:45:26 <davidw> "AH miss amerc'n pizzuh"
13:45:29 <Juu> GilbertBSD yes, everythign but brains
13:45:31 <Juu> oh wait..
13:45:36 <jim> pizza was invented in US, no?
13:45:38 <Juu> okay, everyhting but iq
13:45:41 <Juu> Juu it was italian
13:45:41 <GilbertBSD> so what was she doing in .it then davidw?
13:45:51 <Juu> jim sorry :)
13:45:53 <davidw> GilbertBSD: her italian boyfriend
13:46:09 <jim> I thought it was pizza, burritos and fortune cookies
13:46:12 <davidw> don't see what he gets out of the deal, but...to each his own
13:46:25 <GilbertBSD> hmmm he went all the way to texas, skipping all the hot .it chicks with jiggly boobs and big asses ?
13:46:26 <davidw> jim: pizza was invented in Napoli
13:46:38 <Juu> jim none american
13:46:43 <Juu> hamburgers are german
13:46:51 <jim> true
13:46:55 <davidw> Juu: fortune cookies are american, burritos are tex-mex
13:47:32 <davidw> Juu: there are definitely things that pass for 'foreign' but were invented or modified beyond recognition in the states
13:47:37 <davidw> some of which are pretty good
13:47:45 <davidw> but Italian pizza is very good
13:47:58 <davidw> surely better than whatever shit they have in texas
13:48:03 <Juu> texas
13:48:04 <Juu> hehe
13:48:16 <Juu> it must be illegal to make anything new there
13:48:30 <Juu> balh
13:48:31 <Juu> balh
13:48:33 <Juu> aggh
13:48:35 <davidw> Juu: it's like going to finland and asking for texan vodka
13:48:37 <Juu> why do i repeat my typo :)
13:49:03 <Juu> davidw you need to know where to ask, unlike in tx
13:49:14 <jim> pizza in the US is priced about 3 or 4x what the ingredients are worth
13:49:28 <Juu> it's not the price
13:49:39 <Juu> it's where they come and hto they are done
13:49:40 <Juu> how
13:49:48 <Juu> ingredients that is
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13:50:06 <rob_ert> Hey onetom :D
13:50:32 <davidw> or like going to hungary and asking for texan goulash
13:50:52 <Juu> onanotomation
13:51:16 <Juu> davidw you shoudl invent better examples :)
13:51:52 <Juu> yay, hows going onetom?
13:52:00 <GilbertBSD> Juu:  or going to Ohio and asking for Pure FInnish cakes.
13:52:05 <jim> well, I'm saying that most chains charge far too much for their pizzas (round table especially)
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13:52:10 <davidw> Juu: you should invent better things to eat in .fi .hu
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13:52:22 <Juu> davidw make sense!
13:52:23 * onetom is in a very bad mood
13:52:25 <Juu> and quickly even
13:52:33 <rob_ert> onetom: :(
13:52:35 * Juu gives some good mood to onetom
13:52:45 <davidw> Juu: give him some vodka
13:53:07 <Juu> GilbertBSD ohio might have finnish "colonies" there.. and what finnish cake is anyways?
13:53:12 <onetom> Juu: finite amouts r not enough
13:53:17 <jim> that will either amplify all moods or bring them to zero :)
13:53:21 <rob_ert> What's up, onetom?
13:53:28 <Juu> davidw but i dont have any, i dont drink alco
13:53:28 <onetom> actually, bye 4 2 day
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13:54:05 <davidw> maybe he's pissed off because they tought him pascal in school
13:54:14 <GilbertBSD> davidw: do you have reservations about the bush admin?
13:54:29 <davidw> GilbertBSD: george bush is a moron
13:54:35 <GilbertBSD> sure he is...
13:54:36 <jim> bed for two in the lincoln bedroom?
13:54:44 <davidw> he's done a few ok things, most likely because he managed to pick a few good advisors
13:54:49 <Juu> davidw dont blame retarded people, they can't do anythign about it ;)
13:54:57 <davidw> but then look at jack asses like ashcroft
13:55:06 <davidw> what a nazi
13:55:06 <GilbertBSD> he is a fundamentalist.
13:55:19 <jim> bush isn't dumb... he's an oil man
13:55:19 <davidw> the fucker wants to subvert the constitution
13:55:31 <GilbertBSD> jim:  he made little or no money in Oil
13:55:44 <Juu> yay, all are "bribes"
13:55:46 <jim> but he might make more due to his actions :)
13:55:46 <davidw> GilbertBSD: maybe he means that he's owned by Oil
13:55:58 <GilbertBSD> ah that could be.
13:56:15 <GilbertBSD> davidw:  I think ashcroft thinks his religious bent is superior to the  constitutiion
13:56:22 <GilbertBSD> hence his utterances etc.
13:56:24 <Juu> american politics is like industry which can set own limits
13:56:24 <davidw> probably
13:56:45 <jim> I'm not sure the details, but he worked in the oil industry before being prez
13:56:46 <davidw> Juu: and finish politics is like a polar bear freezing its nuts off
13:57:10 <davidw> jim: probably driving some oil company to the brink of bankruptcy
13:57:11 <Juu> finnish politics, you dont even know where finland is
13:57:12 <GilbertBSD> the Bear must say 'murr' every now and then to keep the people happy ;)
13:57:24 <GilbertBSD> Juu:  google finland ;)
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13:57:35 <CrowKilr> hi
13:57:40 <davidw> Juu: isn't  Nokia the capital?
13:57:45 <Juu> haha
13:57:46 <GilbertBSD> rlikworc iH
13:57:57 <Juu> davidw dont agitate me 
13:58:00 <Juu> it's late 
13:58:12 <davidw> Juu: I like making fun of everything:-)
13:58:25 <Juu> davidw how about buying joke book?
13:58:28 <GilbertBSD> davidw:  some people just don't wanna have a sense of humor :(
13:58:51 <GilbertBSD> life has to be all 'serious' and seriousness tends to be very ridiculous in most situations.
13:58:55 <davidw> GilbertBSD: I wonder what a racist word for Finns is?
13:59:05 <GilbertBSD> Hmmm, Finish
13:59:06 <GilbertBSD> ?
13:59:10 <GilbertBSD> Finito?
13:59:11 <GilbertBSD> Done?
13:59:45 <GilbertBSD> see there are drunken irish, nazi germans, dumb polish, but what finland?
13:59:46 * davidw whips out the joke book
14:00:00 <rob_ert> Hmm
14:00:13 <rob_ert> They all sit in saunas and drink vodka.
14:00:29 <GilbertBSD> don't they have a national drink?
14:01:15 * Juu is known to been fighting agains whole channels :)
14:01:22 <Juu> but i just ignore what you say
14:01:54 <davidw> from the joke book: Yo mama so fat she was floating in the ocean and spain claimed her for then new world
14:02:16 <jim> well you're not fighting me because there's no way I'd ask anyone how to throw you a racial slur
14:02:38 <GilbertBSD> jim:  it is only fair ... 
14:02:49 <GilbertBSD> rob_ert:  thinks all americans are stupid for instance
14:02:54 <Juu> i dont want to fight again
14:03:07 <GilbertBSD> Juu agrees with him, so it is only fair .
14:03:10 * davidw doesn't want to fight, just to "take the piss out of" the world
14:03:14 <davidw> to use a britishism
14:03:40 <davidw> that always conjures up a funny image when they say it
14:03:49 <Juu> americans are ignorant
14:03:52 <Juu> but still stop it
14:03:53 <rob_ert> Heh
14:04:16 <jim> Juu: that would be a generality
14:04:18 <Juu> one fight  a day is enough for me
14:04:23 <rob_ert> Finns are not enough jukkish :D
14:04:25 <Juu> jim yes i know 
14:04:27 <GilbertBSD> Juu america does not have a homogenous population, so you really can't say what you say with any validityt
14:04:38 <Juu> GilbertBSD i base it on what i have seen
14:04:52 <davidw> he's probably sitting around watching dukes of hazard reruns
14:04:54 <Juu> sadly, more you continue, less you make exception
14:04:59 <GilbertBSD> Juu there are so many different groups here that I am sure you have seen nothing yet.
14:05:21 <Juu> GilbertBSD if i was you i were not so sure about what I know
14:05:33 <GilbertBSD> Juu chuck moore is very american ;)
14:05:41 <GilbertBSD> Richard Stallman is very american...
14:05:48 <jim> as is Jeff Fox
14:05:49 <Juu> yes and i dont like stallman 
14:05:58 <GilbertBSD> who else? Knuth is very american, Abelson is very american, 
14:06:03 <Juu> and how he does what he thinks
14:06:06 <jim> Sussman is
14:06:09 <Juu> so?
14:06:14 <Juu> who are they anyway?
14:06:16 <GilbertBSD> they are not stupid is the point.
14:06:31 <jim> what? never heard of -knuth-??
14:06:39 <Juu> i have not said stupid
14:06:48 <GilbertBSD> Juu Bush is american, and he can blow your country if he feels a little smart ;)
14:06:58 <rob_ert> xD
14:07:02 <davidw> I used to feel kind of embarassed about my 'ignorant' compatriots when I arrived in Europe
14:07:05 <Juu> bush is known not to be very smart
14:07:13 <GilbertBSD> reread what I said Juu
14:07:15 <davidw> after about 4324322433 people asked me "Oregon, where's that?!"
14:07:18 <davidw> I don't feel so bad
14:07:22 <GilbertBSD> ahahahhahaha
14:07:34 <Juu> davidw maybe you were in italy 
14:07:36 <davidw> I mean, it's not that important, but I grew up there, dammit
14:07:39 <Juu> or france
14:07:39 <jim> South... of Alaska...
14:07:44 <davidw> Juu: I suppose Italians are ignorant, too?
14:07:45 <GilbertBSD> davidw America as portrayed in the media is but 1 % of the whole.
14:08:01 <davidw> and the french
14:08:01 <Juu> italians can't be blamed if they have notbeen at shcool so much the others
14:08:22 <Juu> french dont care about the rest of the world, hah!
14:08:23 <Juu> :)
14:08:26 <jim> Juu: ignorance is ignorance tho.
14:08:26 <davidw> eheheh
14:08:46 <davidw> the french are funny
14:08:54 <jim> Juu: the "don't care" is probably the definition of ignorance
14:09:07 <davidw> they are second to england in the amount of mcdonalds
14:09:12 <Juu> but good thing is that usa will collapse soon
14:09:13 <davidw> seriously
14:09:20 <davidw> some 90 some mcd's open in france
14:09:31 <Juu> i cant do anythoung about france
14:09:47 <GilbertBSD> Juu why will america collapse soon?
14:09:54 <GilbertBSD> it is always evolving btw
14:09:58 <davidw> no wait maybe it was 900
14:10:12 <davidw> anyway, there are a shitload of them
14:10:15 <Juu> GilbertBSD if you woudl think you would notice
14:10:19 <Juu> BUT NOW STOP IT
14:10:23 <Juu> i dont want to get bad athmosphere here
14:10:30 <Juu> there are so many channels
14:10:31 <davidw> can't we all just get along
14:10:31 <jim> Juu: so, when you say "americans are ignorant", I would agree, however the terms of the statement are not balanced. here is the balanced version: "some people are ignorant"
14:10:35 <Juu> already with very bad athmosphere
14:10:43 <GilbertBSD> Juu mode?
14:11:13 <GilbertBSD> atmosphere .. sphere meaning just that atmos ... up above .. below the stratosphere (I think)
14:11:14 <Juu> i'll come back tomorrow
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14:11:30 <davidw> finland - where the men are men, the women are men, and the reindeer are nervous
14:11:32 <davidw> poor guy
14:11:41 <GilbertBSD> ahahahahahah
14:13:27 <davidw> who else can we pick on...
14:13:40 <rob_ert> Me?
14:13:47 <GilbertBSD> davidw:  business that refuse to use Open Source?
14:14:18 <GilbertBSD> like a lamb to the slaughter, rob_ert offers himself.
14:14:18 <davidw> well, just to be fair...
14:14:24 <davidw> http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/4249/oregon.html
14:16:41 <davidw> it's true
14:16:45 <davidw> there is a 'Boring, Oregon'
14:18:26 <GilbertBSD> ha
14:18:37 <GilbertBSD> that is funny .
14:18:45 <davidw> how many oregonians does it take to change a light bulb?
14:18:46 <davidw> 2
14:18:49 <davidw> one to change it
14:19:02 <davidw> and 1 to fend off the californians trying to Share in the Experience
14:19:15 <GilbertBSD> hehehe. 
14:19:23 <GilbertBSD> Are there that many book stores in Oregon?
14:19:37 <davidw> once, someone put a sign up at the border telling the californians to go home
14:19:45 <GilbertBSD> haha
14:19:47 <davidw> GilbertBSD: powell's is in portland
14:20:30 <davidw> it's a religious experience
14:20:30 <davidw> www.powells.com, but...
14:20:30 <davidw> the real book store is a city block
14:20:30 <GilbertBSD> do you like book stores?
14:20:30 <davidw> but wait, that doesn't include the technical bookstore
14:20:31 <davidw> another half of a smaller block
14:20:47 <davidw> I bet you can find most of the forth books in that place, for instance
14:21:21 <davidw> triple word score for saying something vaguely on-topic
14:21:57 <GilbertBSD> Advantages of stack based languages
14:21:57 <GilbertBSD> :)
14:22:15 <GilbertBSD> I think if more people understood 'why stack based' perhaps things might take a turn for the better?
14:24:10 <davidw> how many people from marin county does it take to screw in a light bulb?
14:24:14 <davidw> this one's old, though
14:24:18 <GilbertBSD> 3?
14:24:29 <davidw> a: people from marin county screw in hot tubs, not in light bulbs
14:24:49 <GilbertBSD> Yes yes I now remember.
14:25:41 <nothing> GilbertBSD: what's your preferred UNIX?
14:26:39 <GilbertBSD> nothing:  freebsd
14:26:47 <GilbertBSD> I'm using xchat 
14:27:01 <GilbertBSD> FreeBSD  4.5-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.5-RELEASE #0: Sun Feb 17 10:07:09 GMT 2002     root@ijahman.levi:/usr/src/sys/compile/ABBEYLINCOLN  i386
14:27:05 <davidw> freebsd is a unix, more or less
14:27:25 <nothing> freebsd *is* unix
14:27:30 * davidw is more interested in openbsd
14:27:33 <nothing> openbsd is crap
14:27:40 <nothing> freebsd is the only worthy bsd
14:27:45 <davidw> nothing: I have a PPC box
14:28:09 <davidw> it's easy to be pretty good on one architecture.
14:28:14 <GilbertBSD> davidw:   i have run openbsd on a Mac se/30 before.
14:28:37 <GilbertBSD> A NT 4.0 tome I had never read fell from atop my bookshelf and broke the neck of the tube in the se :(
14:28:52 <nothing> mac se, ugh
14:28:57 <davidw> GilbertBSD: you should submit that as evidence in the antitrust trial
14:29:00 <nothing> any mac that doesn't run OSX is a crappy mac
14:29:03 <GilbertBSD> hahahah
14:29:22 <GilbertBSD> nothing: what don't you like about openbsd?
14:29:29 <GilbertBSD> Theo De Raadt is a forther ;)
14:29:35 <nothing> openbsd thinks it is secure, it's a joke
14:29:47 <nothing> there are tons of private exploits floating around that take advantage of it
14:29:54 <nothing> the only way to be secure is with a trusted language
14:30:11 <nothing> using an ancient hardware memory protection/C combo to be secure is a futile excerise
14:30:17 <davidw> it's easy to talk shit
14:30:20 <nothing> at least FBSD does not make very many prententions
14:31:12 <GilbertBSD> nothing:  so what language do you recommend?
14:33:19 <GilbertBSD> I have all day nothing. I am quite interested in the answer.
14:35:23 <davidw> Ada or something keen like that;-)
14:36:58 <GilbertBSD> Ada?
14:37:05 * GilbertBSD starts firing at Ada.
14:37:10 <GilbertBSD> da?
14:37:15 * GilbertBSD fires again
14:37:16 <GilbertBSD> a 
14:37:24 <GilbertBSD> < :
14:37:30 <GilbertBSD> muhahaha
14:39:11 <GilbertBSD> davidw:  powells has Brodies Starting Forth on back order
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15:06:22 * davidw starts looking for a job in the bay area
15:06:26 <davidw> yuck
15:06:31 <davidw> I want to work for a real company
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17:22:39 <joa> hey :)
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17:28:20 <divgrad> hi, forthers. is there any good library for working with MSWin GUI?
17:29:12 <CrowKilr> you mean a forth library? or any lib?
17:29:20 <divgrad> forth
17:29:33 <CrowKilr> dont know sorry, maybe google could help you
17:29:52 <divgrad> okay
17:30:21 <divgrad> one more Q: does anybody work with colorforth?
17:30:58 <CrowKilr> im trying lol
17:31:03 <divgrad> and?
17:31:10 <divgrad> :)
17:31:44 <CrowKilr> i grasped the language basic concepts, but not all. Im trying to do a colorforth like system on my own
17:32:52 <CrowKilr> look at the file cf2html.c at http://www.oakland.edu/~maslicke/colorforth/ and http://www.merlintec.com/download/color.html
17:33:03 <CrowKilr> the last page use css style sheets to display big characters
17:33:03 <divgrad> ok
17:33:15 <CrowKilr> i downloaded it and removed the big font attribute
17:38:28 <I440r> hi ppl
17:38:37 <I440r> divgrad is new to #forth? or just a new nick ? :)
17:38:52 <divgrad> both
17:38:57 <I440r> heh
17:39:16 <I440r> well welcome to our humble abode :)
17:39:18 <CrowKilr> glad you believe in colorforth, im not alone!! lol
17:39:18 <I440r> brb
17:39:57 <divgrad> the colorforth seems to be a bare bone, it needs meat
17:41:31 <CrowKilr> look at the source
17:41:39 <CrowKilr> theres quite some stuff
17:42:17 * divgrad sighs
17:43:11 <divgrad> tell me pls, do u write in forth at ur work?
17:43:28 <divgrad> or just for fun
17:44:34 <CrowKilr> I'm a 16 years old student and its been 2 months since I discovered Forth
17:45:16 * divgrad likes to discover prg languages ;)
17:45:41 <CrowKilr> forth is the mother of all languages, especially colorForth
17:45:49 <divgrad> i c
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18:22:11 <I440r> divgrad: you new to forth as a language ?
18:23:09 <divgrad> i read bout it several years ago
18:23:21 <divgrad> and read some book and manuals
18:23:31 <divgrad> but i didnt try prgs
18:23:42 <divgrad> to write prgs
18:23:55 <I440r> cool
18:24:07 <I440r> im writing a linux only (bsd too?) forth compiler
18:24:55 <divgrad> no forth compilers for linux?
18:25:01 <I440r> no real ones :)
18:25:12 <I440r> lib4th is cool but i dont like gforth and the like
18:25:32 <divgrad> i think the prob is no good libs for all those compilers that exist
18:25:37 <I440r> i dont want to "bad mouth" them but they arent what i would call real forths
18:25:51 <I440r> isforth will fix that - its one if my goals
18:26:02 <I440r> it already has a curses like replacement 
18:26:09 <I440r> im working on sockets code etc
18:28:07 <divgrad> do u know any software written in forth except those that was mentioned in old books?
18:29:10 <I440r> the tracking system that fedx is written in forth
18:29:13 <I440r> by forth inc
18:29:17 <I440r> nasa uses forth alot
18:29:32 <divgrad> ok
18:29:32 <I440r> industrial light and magic used forth for the special fx for starwars
18:31:11 <divgrad> well, i think i go sleeping, have a nice forthing
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18:36:20 <I440r> :)
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19:09:16 * CrowKilr is INTERESTED into these porn spams
19:10:16 <I440r> lol
19:11:09 <I440r> and the name daphne istn spelt with a F lol
19:12:20 <CrowKilr> the 9 chr limit
19:12:28 <CrowKilr> my real handle is CrowKiller
19:12:43 <CrowKilr> I have to live with that limit myself
19:12:48 <CrowKilr> LOL
19:12:52 <CrowKilr> hey its not 9 chars lol
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19:13:00 <CrowKiller> YHIOU!
19:13:01 <CrowKiller> lol
19:13:14 <CrowKiller> we are not un undernet
19:13:25 <CrowKiller> haaa i should have read the server messages
19:14:06 <I440r> lol
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21:45:27 <I440r> gilbert - hiding there :P
21:45:38 <theusualsuspect> nope
21:45:43 * theusualsuspect is not here.
21:56:02 * theusualsuspect coughs
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21:58:10 <I440r> well imm off 
21:58:23 <I440r> bored of vmware, its not running rite on my laptop :P
21:58:23 <Gilbertbsd> is isforth ready
21:58:26 <I440r> nite nite :)
21:58:30 <I440r> for what 
21:58:34 <Gilbertbsd> freebsd .
21:58:38 * Gilbertbsd rolls his eyes.
21:58:40 <I440r> no :(
21:58:59 <Gilbertbsd> man, what am I supposed to learn/
21:59:02 <I440r> if i get vmware working on the other box ill install fbsd there 
21:59:05 <Gilbertbsd> I can read up on nasm .. or something.
21:59:07 <I440r> install linux :)
21:59:26 <Gilbertbsd> yeah ... I don't like linux.
21:59:30 <Gilbertbsd> _everybody_ has linux
22:00:00 <I440r> lol
22:00:03 <I440r> except you :P~
22:00:22 <Gilbertbsd> :D 
22:00:30 <I440r> im trying to get it to work in fbsd - but its difficult when i dont actually HAVE it heh
22:00:47 <Gilbertbsd> but you are using some weird version of nasm only you own.
22:00:57 <Gilbertbsd> I searched for the latest version and came up with nothing.
22:01:35 <I440r> join comp.lang.asm
22:01:40 <I440r> one of the nasm developers hangs there
22:01:47 <I440r> ask him how to get it to work in fbsd
22:02:09 <Gilbertbsd> comp.lang.asm ?
22:02:31 <I440r> yes
22:02:59 <Gilbertbsd> but why not just use the older version of nasm? does the new version offer any advantages?
22:22:37 <I440r> ok ill try explain
22:22:43 <I440r> in the old versuion of nasm
22:22:49 <I440r> %define foo 1
22:22:56 <I440r> %define bar foo
22:23:00 <I440r> %define foo 2
22:23:03 <I440r> foo and bar change
22:23:09 <I440r> THIS is FUCKED UP
22:23:14 <Gilbertbsd> oh.
22:23:17 <I440r> you CANNOT save the value of foo into bar
22:23:22 <I440r> modify foo then restore it later
22:23:40 <I440r> by defining bar as a POINTER to foo if you change either BOTH change
22:24:02 <I440r> there is absolutely NO FUCKING USE for this what so ever because anywhere your code uses BAR in 
22:24:12 <I440r> the above example the original FOO would do just as well
22:24:20 <I440r> NO fucking use for it what so ever
22:24:39 <I440r> newer nasm adoped a HACK on nasm %define
22:24:42 <I440r> called %xdefine
22:24:50 <I440r> with %xdefine i can define
22:24:57 <I440r> %xdefine foo 1
22:25:33 <I440r> %xdefine bar fooo ; save foo in bar
22:25:39 <I440r> %xdefine foo 3  
22:25:41 <I440r> ... 
22:25:41 <I440r> ,...
22:25:42 <I440r>  ...
22:25:54 <I440r> %xdefine foo bar   ; restore foo
22:26:43 <Gilbertbsd> so is there a way around it in the old version?
22:26:51 <Gilbertbsd> can I edit the source to say something else?
22:27:28 <I440r> theres no way round it
22:27:37 <I440r> you cant save a %define away and restore it later
22:28:04 <Gilbertbsd> how would you have done it supposing you were forced to use the old one?
22:28:08 <Gilbertbsd> or is that out of the question?
22:28:23 <I440r> rm -rf isforth/
22:28:31 <I440r> that would have been the only choce
22:28:31 <Gilbertbsd> he
22:28:32 <Gilbertbsd> :D
22:28:45 <I440r> or i would have used a386 in a dosemu
22:29:13 <Gilbertbsd> is the old nasm thing a bug?
22:29:35 <I440r> probably just a brain dead fuckup
22:29:49 <Gilbertbsd> so they went 'oops' and have now changed it?
22:29:51 <I440r> i reported it to the then authors and they told me to fuck off thats how its supposed to work
22:29:58 <Gilbertbsd> really?
22:29:59 <I440r> no they just added someone elses fix
22:30:07 <I440r> not in those words exactly but yes
22:30:19 <Gilbertbsd> so how did they write nasm?
22:30:21 <I440r> mostly the nasm developers arent interested in fixing what they have
22:30:34 <I440r> all they want to do is add this gizmo and that whatsit
22:30:49 <I440r> which is why its turning into a huge pile of bloat
22:30:59 <Gilbertbsd> what is nasm written in?
22:31:02 <I440r> c
22:31:04 <I440r> nuff sed
22:31:17 <Gilbertbsd> is that good?
22:31:22 <I440r> eh?
22:31:34 <Gilbertbsd> well did they have a choice?
22:31:45 <I440r> the only application i think c is suitable for is to make your trash can not feel emptyh
22:32:10 <Gilbertbsd> heh. What would you have written nasm in, given the chance and the choice?
22:32:21 <Gilbertbsd> I know it wouldn't have been Cobol ;)
22:33:37 <I440r> err i wouldnt have written it
22:33:51 <I440r> but if the people who DID write it were cluebies they would have used forth :P
22:34:00 <I440r> neway i gtg
22:34:03 <I440r> nite nite :)
22:34:04 <Gilbertbsd> sure.
22:34:12 <Gilbertbsd> etin, etin
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22:45:05 <Gilbertbsd> trebor iH
22:46:28 <rob_ert> Hi :D
22:47:32 <Gilbertbsd> Rummur
22:48:39 <rob_ert> Murr!
22:48:56 <Gilbertbsd> Bears in Latvia say 'Rummur"
22:49:05 <Gilbertbsd> and the chinese bears say "Quang Po"
22:49:44 <rob_ert> xD
22:54:59 <Gilbertbsd> so, whats new in .se today?
22:55:19 <rob_ert> Uh..
22:55:21 <rob_ert> Hmm
22:55:38 <rob_ert> The chief of the state's alcohol company gets a high pension
22:55:41 <rob_ert> That's about it
22:58:21 <Gilbertbsd> what is the name of the Company?
23:00:05 <rob_ert> Vin & Sprit
23:00:16 * rob_ert leaves for school-.
23:00:18 <rob_ert> See you
23:01:15 <Gilbertbsd> suree
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