00:00:00 --- log: started forth/02.05.12 01:46:25 --- quit: kc5tja ("[BX] Reserve your copy of BitchX-1.0c18 for Windows CE today!") 02:20:14 --- quit: onetom ("ircII EPIC4pre2.508 -- Accept no limitations") 02:20:22 --- join: onetom (tom@adsl52008.vnet.hu) joined #forth 02:37:27 --- join: juu (ammu@baana-62-165-189-112.phnet.fi) joined #forth 02:38:57 mur mur 02:39:01 hey all 02:44:41 Hey murry juu! 02:44:47 heyhey rob_ert 02:44:50 heh 02:45:13 frej got cracked and box used prolyl as flood thingy 02:45:26 * juu wonders if he shoudl download that package author used to flood 02:45:35 and examine whats in it 02:46:03 ? 02:46:04 the server was in hong-kong 02:46:30 frej's one finnish swede or how it is said in english 02:46:37 anyway he livesin jeppis (nykarleby) 02:46:40 ah 02:46:46 pietarsaari 02:46:49 ahg 03:15:18 --- nick: juu -> JuuBRB 03:22:55 --- join: Soap- (flop@210-54-74-94.dialup.xtra.co.nz) joined #forth 03:24:15 --- nick: JuuBRB -> Juu 03:24:24 --- nick: Juu -> JuuSoonAway 03:34:12 --- quit: JuuSoonAway ("MURR! end of file reached. continuing filling logs some other time.") 03:39:16 --- quit: Soap` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:03:42 --- join: davidw (~davidw@adsl-243-109.38-151.net24.it) joined #forth 04:08:00 --- quit: Soap- () 05:11:37 heya :) 07:19:46 --- join: Fare (fare@samaris.tunes.org) joined #forth 07:20:06 --- join: GilbertBSD (~gilbert@max2-103.dacor.net) joined #forth 07:20:15 does yoda know forth? 07:23:04 All Star Wars charachter know forth... 07:23:18 Don't you remember when he tells Skywalker to use his forth? 07:24:08 eh? 07:24:31 You are more americanized than you realize. You make american cultural references that I am yet to discover. 07:24:34 Congratulations. 07:25:41 :-) 08:04:50 --- quit: GilbertBSD ("xchat exiting..") 08:35:23 --- join: AnachronyX (~RedDragon@lanelec.spk.cz) joined #forth 08:35:55 --- part: AnachronyX left #forth 09:14:05 --- join: JuuSoonAway (ammu@baana-62-165-189-112.phnet.fi) joined #forth 09:14:40 --- nick: JuuSoonAway -> Juu 09:14:49 wb 09:15:00 :) 09:15:04 whops, forgto that nickname 09:15:11 :D 09:17:08 /names updates name list / shows users? 09:17:34 Uhm 09:17:35 Nah 09:17:42 Doesn't /list show channels? 09:18:06 what ? 09:18:11 /list ? 09:19:02 /names #channel ask the server for a nicklist in that channel 09:19:13 Ja... 09:19:25 rob_ert: /list ? :) 09:19:52 Yes? 09:20:03 [18:14] < Juu> /names updates name list / shows users? 09:20:10 [18:14] < Juu> /names updates namelist and/or shows users? 09:21:14 rob_ert can you be /away for couple of secs i'll test if this updates the list then? 09:21:29 No. :) 09:21:36 grr 09:21:57 Talia` are you there? 09:44:03 Juu: /who #forth | grep G 09:44:27 oink oink 09:49:23 --- quit: onetom (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:49:24 --- quit: gforth (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:50:18 --- join: gforth (guest@adsl52008.vnet.hu) joined #forth 09:50:26 --- join: onetom (tom@adsl52008.vnet.hu) joined #forth 09:51:12 --- quit: onetom (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:51:12 --- quit: gforth (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:52:30 --- join: onetom (tom@adsl52008.vnet.hu) joined #forth 09:53:05 --- join: CrowKilr (Vapo_Rulez@cnq5-233.cablevision.qc.ca) joined #forth 09:53:11 Hi. 09:53:23 hi 09:53:37 heyhey 09:53:56 agh! 09:53:59 damn list 09:53:59 for the c coders among this chan, I have a little question: 09:54:21 void print_dec (int i) { 09:54:21 int j, k, f = 0; 09:54:21 if (i == 0) { putchar ('0'); return; } 09:54:21 if (i < 0) { putchar ('-'); i = -i; } 09:54:21 for (j = 1000000000; j != 0; j /= 10) { 09:54:22 for (k = 1; k < 10; k++) { 09:54:24 if ((i - j * k) < 0) break; 09:54:26 } 09:54:28 k--; i -= j * k; 09:54:31 if (k == 0) { if (f) putchar ('0'); } 09:54:32 else { f = 1; putchar (hex[k]); } 09:54:35 } 09:54:36 } 09:54:38 The break word 09:54:43 does it breaks the whole function? 09:54:48 Breaks the loop 09:54:53 or only stop the for hes in? 09:54:59 his loop does nothing 09:55:11 --- quit: onetom (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:55:15 Yes it does. 09:55:25 It incrememnts k each step 09:55:41 haaa lololol 09:55:47 --- join: gforth (guest@adsl52008.vnet.hu) joined #forth 09:55:47 didnt saw it at all 09:55:53 So, k will contain the number of iterations needed to make ((i - j * k) < 0 true 09:55:55 --- join: onetom (tom@adsl52008.vnet.hu) joined #forth 09:55:56 :-) 09:56:04 thanks! 09:56:17 yay, bot is faster than the master 09:56:24 Juu: :) 09:56:28 CrowKilr: ;) 09:58:29 one little more question: what does the ~ means in the following: hw = lw ? ~hw : -hw; lw = -lw; 09:58:48 i know about the ?: construct but the ~.. 09:58:57 bitwise not 10:00:11 --- quit: gforth (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:00:12 --- quit: onetom (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:01:08 --- join: onetom (tom@adsl52008.vnet.hu) joined #forth 10:01:20 --- join: gforth (guest@adsl52008.vnet.hu) joined #forth 10:01:24 thanks! i know its pretty basic, but i wont ask those questions again, you can be sure about that lol 10:01:43 ;D 10:01:59 btw, that algorithm contains too many loops for me to feel comfortable 10:02:09 (back, btw) 10:02:22 its the code from the cf2html.c file 10:03:09 the guy must have red the color.asm source code and transpose it into c code, I dont know why its so loopy 10:03:10 --- quit: gforth (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:03:10 --- quit: onetom (Success) 10:04:01 --- nick: Juu -> JuuFood 10:04:18 --- join: onetom (tom@adsl52008.vnet.hu) joined #forth 10:05:15 --- join: gforth (guest@adsl52008.vnet.hu) joined #forth 10:05:24 wb 10:13:11 --- quit: onetom (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:13:13 --- quit: gforth (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:15:20 --- join: gforth (guest@adsl52008.vnet.hu) joined #forth 10:17:00 does somebody know of a better encoding scheme than uuencode to input binary content into a javascript application? 10:17:46 base64 10:18:58 --- nick: JuuFood -> Juu 10:19:16 k thanks! ill do a lookup on this 10:19:23 but i thinks its related to emails? 10:20:14 pizza! 10:20:32 Only characters present in all variants of ASCII and EBCDIC are used, avoiding 10:20:32 incompatibilities in other forms of encoding such as uuencode/uudecode. 10:21:06 I think that's what I need! 10:48:18 --- join: I440r (~mark4@1Cust6.tnt1.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #forth 10:53:47 --- join: I440r_ (~mark4@1Cust6.tnt1.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #forth 10:53:55 --- quit: I440r (Connection reset by peer) 10:54:17 lol 10:54:19 forgot to plug in my laptop - half a second after joining here the thing died 10:54:21 battery only lasts 2minutes these days 10:54:28 if ya said anything to my ghost i missed it :P 10:54:33 --- nick: I440r_ -> I440r 10:54:57 --- nick: CrowKilr -> CrowAway 10:58:01 ghost behind, I440r 11:00:20 :) 11:19:04 this is cool from will baden 11:19:23 : + begin dup while 2dup and 2* >r xor r> repeat drop ; 11:21:15 Hmm 11:21:39 How does begin-while-repeat work? 11:22:45 ugh! 11:22:50 begin 11:22:53 do test here 11:22:54 I read .. ben ladem.. insteand of will baden 11:22:58 instead* 11:22:59 while \while test was tru 11:23:13 do this code 11:23:15 repeat 11:23:24 oink you wazzok :P 11:23:37 :| 11:24:33 Thanks I440r :) 11:25:18 c doesnt have anything like it 11:25:23 c is too lame :P 11:25:45 Hmm 11:25:55 while(do test here) { do this code ] 11:25:55 ? 11:25:56 :) 11:36:31 begin (forth code for the test which generates one stack item, the test result) while (code to repeat) repeat 11:36:48 wait, -how-? 11:36:50 ok... 11:37:09 ? 11:37:33 the while generates a ?branch to after the repeat, which generates an unconditional branch to where the begin is 11:38:42 nicely put :) 11:38:58 thanks :) 11:39:33 :) 11:47:16 :) just following pattern 12:08:29 --- quit: ChanServ (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12:08:34 --- join: ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) joined #forth 12:08:34 --- mode: carter.openprojects.net set +o ChanServ 12:08:34 --- mode: ChanServ set +l 83 12:09:29 lol 12:09:33 limited to 83 :P 12:09:47 were so much here.. 12:09:51 i doubt any non forthers would get that joke 12:10:00 its not limited to 893 people 12:10:12 its limited to the 83 standard (lol - not realy) 12:10:21 its an anit ans standard joke :P 12:10:24 anti 12:10:52 :D 12:16:04 heh 12:16:09 that's cute i440r 12:16:41 i set that as a channel limit when i first created this channel 12:16:54 sat in here solo for over a year before mrreach and bongo and futhin came by :) 12:17:04 heh 12:17:06 Mr. reach? 12:17:14 Mrreach 12:17:19 erm MrReach 12:17:20 I440r when did you found the channel then? :) 12:17:35 err you want an exact date ? 12:17:42 i couldnt even begin to tell youheh 12:17:46 lilo might know 12:17:57 but it has to be a cpl of years ago at least 12:18:11 i know i sat in here alot for over a year :P 12:18:15 *sniff* 12:18:17 lol 12:20:24 uhmm.. 12:20:26 hmm.. 12:20:31 murr! 12:20:36 coin! 12:20:45 coin? 12:20:48 COIN! 12:21:59 great google: translation from french (gnuart) 12:22:00 Bear which baille (758088 bytes) 12:24:49 ours qui baille 12:25:03 yes and for now on if i say ours it's not bear ;) 12:31:19 ahah 12:31:35 an Ours is a bear (: 12:51:05 --- quit: Talia` ("g'day...") 12:51:59 agh 12:52:02 talia talia 12:52:04 grrr 13:08:29 --- join: kc5tja (kc5tja@stampede.org) joined #forth 13:12:20 --- quit: I440r ("Reality Strikes Again") 13:29:11 --- join: onetom (tom@adsl52008.vnet.hu) joined #forth 13:29:52 na, megjott az elso level a flamerol 13:29:57 oops, sorry 13:29:59 --- join: goshawk` (goshawk@panix1.panix.com) joined #forth 13:37:07 :)( 13:45:39 i think my javascript code for base 64 is done, ill paste on on the chan for peer review, its not very long 13:46:01 Base64Conv = new String("A","B","C","D","E","F","G","H","I","J","K","L","M","N", 13:46:01 "O","P","Q","R","S","T","U","V","W","X","Y","Z","a","b", 13:46:01 "c","d","e","f","g","h","i","j","k","l","m","n","o","p", 13:46:01 "q","r","s","t","u","v","w","x","y","z","0","1","2","3", 13:46:01 "4","5","6","7","8","9","+","/") 13:46:13 function Base64Encode(TwentyFourBits){ 13:46:13 var FourCharString, t 13:46:13 for(a=18;a=0;a=-6){ 13:46:13 t = (TwentyFourBits >>> (a)) & 63 13:46:13 FourCharString = FourCharString + Base64Conv.charAt(t) 13:46:14 } 13:46:16 return FourCharString 13:46:18 } 13:46:23 function Base64Decode(FourCharString){ 13:46:23 var TwentyFourBits, t 13:46:24 for(a=0;a=3;a++){ 13:46:26 t = Base64Conv.indexOf(FourCharString.charAt(a)) 13:46:28 TwentyFourBits = TwentyFourBits + (t << (6a)) 13:46:30 } 13:46:32 return TwentyFourBits 13:46:34 } 13:46:36 thats it 13:47:03 i didnt test it yet but ive found its a lot shorter than a german article google pointed me at 13:47:10 Hm 13:47:29 Shouldn't you be able to do with less comparisions? 13:48:11 comparisons* 13:48:14 using like 13:48:23 cmp al,'A' 13:48:28 jb .notucase 13:48:32 cmp al,'Z' 13:48:37 ja .notucase 13:48:41 jmp short .ucase 13:48:42 etc. 13:49:11 its javascript not assembly ;p 13:49:13 Instead of compare every single of the 64 chars when decoding? 13:49:15 Hehe 13:49:42 i dont compare anything! 13:49:51 lol at least i dotn see it that way 13:50:03 if (x >= 'A' && x <= 'Z') upper; 13:50:11 if (x >= 'a' && x <= 'z') lower; 13:50:14 .. 13:50:15 :) 13:50:22 kinda 13:50:22 You're not comparing anything that I can see either. 13:50:34 Base64Conv.charAt(t) 13:50:44 I guess it's inside there 13:50:48 That's not a comparison 13:50:51 That's an array reference. 13:51:02 ugm 13:51:11 sorry 13:51:16 wrong function, heh 13:51:23 FourCharString = FourCharString + Base64Conv.charAt(t) is a concatenation 13:51:37 of strings 13:51:39 and TwentyFourBits = TwentyFourBits + (t << (6a)) 13:51:43 is arithmetical 13:52:05 * rob_ert can't think 13:52:39 im gonna test it right away, just need to build some textareas and input reference inside my .html file 13:52:54 the german code is there 13:52:56 http://selfaktuell.teamone.de/artikel/javascript/utf8b64/base64.htm 13:53:09 its much too long IMHO 13:53:13 :) 14:00:11 --- join: GilbertBSD (~gilbert@m129.max3.dacor.net) joined #forth 14:01:02 Hi :) 14:03:07 hi rob_ert 14:04:39 I almost forgot, in the javascript source of a moment ago there should have been ; at the end of statements ;pp 14:05:59 javascript doesn't need them, aiui 14:06:00 this channel becamea bit offtopic until chuck has visited us :/ 14:06:25 do u know the joke: 14:06:44 which joke? 14:06:55 murr 14:07:01 onetom 14:07:03 u ask the ppl of the streets and programmers about 14:07:10 what is virtual sex 14:07:11 i just want to say something beacuse you speak hungarian :) 14:07:15 am i annoying? :) 14:07:26 onetom: what is 'murr' 14:07:33 everyday ppl: what kind of sex? 14:07:35 at least using op code sex is very virtual, ask assembly coders! 14:07:36 :) 14:07:43 programmers: virtual what? 14:07:53 murr is onomatopoetic word, it's what bears say in finland :) 14:07:59 onetom: :D 14:08:19 Juu: what is that murr? 14:08:43 Juu: k, i was a bit slow :) 14:09:09 Juu: the bear says brumm, in hungary ;) 14:09:14 rob_ert: and .se bears say Subramakrishnamurti ? 14:09:20 Juu: or brumm-brumm 14:09:26 argh 14:09:32 murr is what finnish bears say 14:09:34 MURR 14:09:37 see, bear is behind you 14:09:40 and about to eat you 14:09:42 lol 14:09:51 where? where? - MP ;) 14:10:07 oh, it spotted rob_ert and will eat more fleshy irccer first 14:10:09 phew ;) 14:10:15 lol 14:11:32 Hrm 14:11:45 after finnish bear has said murr and eaten lost tourist it will say "nam nam, olipas hyvää" 14:11:55 yum yum, it was so good 14:12:23 Hmmz 14:17:32 Juu: thats terrible ... finish is an ODD language. 14:17:42 nam nam != yum yum 14:17:52 but in finland it is 14:17:53 sorry 14:18:01 condom firms show that they have good taste 14:18:02 ;) 14:18:04 why can't the bear just say 'yum yum that was good' ? 14:18:21 because finnish words doesnt' have y and u in same sentences 14:18:23 agh 14:18:25 in same words 14:18:28 grrr.. 14:18:31 dont confuse 14:18:34 i'll rewrite 14:18:36 :) 14:19:13 because finnish has vowel harmony, that means that no back and front vowels exist in same words, unless they are combounded words which consist of 2 different words. 14:19:15 House 14:19:16 : Fale 14:19:20 not finnish 14:19:21 sorry 14:19:22 :) 14:19:44 ack 14:19:52 but it is good 14:20:10 finnish uses umlauts, but replacing with nonumlauts 14:20:16 donest make it harder to understand 14:23:07 there are also neutral vowels 14:23:10 i and e :) 14:33:55 finnish is much better than enlgihs, i'm sure you agree with me once you learn a bit of it 14:34:20 They're all Germanic languages; they all have the same problems... ;D 14:37:22 Juu: so why are there fewer finnish speakers? 14:37:33 fewer? 14:37:43 but the amount grows 14:37:49 in finland 14:37:56 compared to chinese! 14:37:59 finnish is not germanic language, it's finno-ugric 14:38:10 That's why it sucks so hard. 14:38:11 :D 14:38:15 we are not taht horny every day 14:38:25 that is sad. 14:38:30 Juu: I was making a joke. Hence the smiley. 14:38:54 I always use smileys ;) :) :D 14:39:03 GilbertBSD because, you know snowball effect 14:39:10 oy? 14:39:16 häh? 14:39:31 Juu: Is the Finnish alphabet phonetic? 14:39:46 if I go to jamaica, I won't find many finnish speakers, same story in china, japan, us, england, germany, etc. 14:40:00 infact, I have never seen a finnish movie! 14:40:07 I have also never heard a finnish song. 14:40:20 But I bet you have seen american movies and heard american songs ;) 14:40:33 GilbertBSD: I've heard Finnish music. Quite interesting. 14:40:47 what do they say? 14:41:02 GilbertBSD: I have no idea; I don't understand Finnish. All I know is that I liked the musical style. :) 14:41:31 Murr murr murr, nam nam murr murr nam murr 14:42:05 Bears around here don't say murr. They instead choose to disembowl anyone who tries to listen to them. 14:42:28 kc or they say 'who's been sleeping in my bed' 14:42:35 or 'who's been sitting in my chair' 14:42:59 No, they rip you to shreds, then proceed to eat you. 14:44:11 kc5tja you mean graphemes? 14:44:17 = pronounced as writen? 14:44:20 the bear I encountered said 'who's been attempting to log in as me' 14:44:28 GilbertBSD you are just wrong 14:44:38 Juu: you should see the bears. 14:44:41 there are finnish speakers in usa, australia and even in siberia 14:44:49 Juu: how many? 14:45:06 And who else is in siberia/ 14:45:16 Juu: Consider the following English words. CAT, HALL, BUREAU, and ATE. The letter A takes on four distinctly different sounds. Hence, English's alphabet is not phonetic. You cannot spell a word precisely based on how someone speaks a word. 14:45:46 CAT HOLL BurO eighte 14:46:04 GilbertBSD: You're being annoying for the sake of being annoying now. 14:46:27 kc I don't know where the hell that is coming from. 14:46:33 but that is how you might pronounce them 14:46:39 kc5tja but finnish does 14:46:43 without using phonetic symbols 14:46:48 can you see ä as a with 2 dots on it? 14:47:32 GilbertBSD: Well, you continue to make references to a fairy tale which Juu might not be aware of, and now you're making fun of me. I'm trying to be serious here, because I'm genuinely interested in how Finnish compares with other languages. 14:47:34 Juu: Yes. 14:47:47 bah 14:47:59 if you choose to think I am making fun of you, then good for you. 14:48:04 I really don't care. 14:48:22 juu do you know the story of goldilocks and the 3 bears? 14:48:26 GilbertBSD: Well, how else am I supposed to take it? 14:48:29 cat [kät] finnish front a (Ä), Hall [Ho:l] finnish o or is it pron like [Ha:l], Bureau [bjuro:] long i and ate [eit] as finnish e 14:48:39 goodness man, msg him if its so importan! 14:48:40 t 14:49:04 kc5tja good 14:49:29 bat is pronouced [pät] 14:49:48 finnish is much like reading what is inside [] instructions 14:49:54 only couple of exceptions 14:50:02 long vowels are writen in 2 14:50:16 like maa (ground, earth, land, country) [ma:] 14:50:26 though, that makes reading outloud easier 14:50:36 So A: is pronounced differently than a: -- Finnish doesn't capitalize nouns? 14:50:52 no nouns are not capitalised unless they are names 14:51:10 and in titles only first letter is capitalised unlike in englihs 14:51:22 Juu: No, same in English. 14:51:37 Sr., Mr., Ph.D., etc. 14:51:38 English has Titles Like This 14:51:53 that waht you mean? 14:51:57 --- join: futhin (~think@h24-64-174-2.cg.shawcable.net) joined #forth 14:52:03 hi futhin 14:52:08 Philosophy Doctor has both capitalised 14:52:23 futhin 14:52:25 Yes, because they're both proper nouns. 14:52:28 and ng is writen nk and 2 ng sounds are written ng 14:52:38 that is the only exception really 14:52:52 So a: sounds like the 'o' in 'cot' then. 14:53:04 uh. 14:53:15 i'll have dictionary and look good example word 14:53:18 just a sec 14:53:41 --- join: Soap` (flop@210-54-74-94.dialup.xtra.co.nz) joined #forth 14:53:47 well english has a bit differing vowels 14:53:59 mother has short a but it's more "strict" 14:54:09 Juu: That's an understatement. Our 5 vowels can make some 20 different sounds. 14:54:30 :) 14:54:36 i have here english phoneme table 14:54:51 so long a like in maa is like a in father 14:55:22 What's worse is that the letter 'y' is only sometimes considered a vowel, and is more or less a wildcard vowel that can sound almost like any of the other five vowels, depending on context. 14:55:39 finnish separates enlgish y into j, i and y 14:55:45 hmm. 14:55:46 Juu: OK, that's maa -- how about a-amlaut? 14:56:00 oh enlgihs deonst have sound y, like in german über or french tu 14:56:03 w is sometimes a vowel in words from Welsh, such as cwm 14:56:11 umlaut? 14:56:13 (it's an oo sound) 14:56:22 well 14:56:32 just a sec 14:56:40 lojban limits us to 5 vowels with 5 sounds :( 14:56:44 like in hat 14:56:45 err 14:56:52