00:00:00 --- log: started forth/02.05.11 00:00:06 no 00:00:09 i just didn't felt like it 00:00:12 gforth: : asd cr ." hi GilbertBSD" ; : exec-this> ' execute ; exec-this> asd 00:00:15 gforth: : asd cr ." hi GilbertBSD" ; : exec-this> ' execute ; exec-this> asd 00:00:29 like sleeping that is 00:00:30 onetom: hi GilbertBSD 00:00:30 onetom: hi GilbertBSD 00:00:35 speuler killed the bot very well :/ 00:01:18 onetom couldn't you have done asd ? 00:02:29 --- nick: GilbertBSD -> Gil[stretching] 00:03:04 pardon? 00:04:25 i coudl get the mornigns newspaper while i dont have anyhting else to do 00:04:59 --- join: crypton (xru52729fj@ip6-144.vancbccqac02.dialup.ca.telus.com) joined #forth 00:05:37 --- part: crypton left #forth 00:06:56 brb 00:06:59 JuuIRC24h: i can give u task if u lack of them :) 00:07:06 tasks 00:18:48 lack tasks ? :) 00:19:08 i was reading newspaper soon making some breakfast i suppose 00:19:09 what task? :) 00:29:07 onetom? 00:29:21 yay, dune today and even bills and teds (some) adventure 00:29:25 hehe 00:35:42 JuuIRC24h: sorry, i was also havin breakfast :) i thought of programming tasks 00:36:37 maybe i shoudl rest a bit 00:36:59 online for 20+ n hours 00:37:14 i even dont know how many 00:39:45 sure, ive already told it :) 00:39:50 sure, uve already told it :) 00:40:34 onetom 00:40:41 I still don't see whats so fantastic about ' 00:42:13 i know 00:43:00 --- nick: JuuIRC24h -> Juu 00:50:09 --- join: joa_ (~james@226-119-237-24.anc-dial.gci.net) joined #forth 00:50:31 --- quit: joa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:56:20 Gil[stretching]: theres still nothing fantastic about it :) 00:56:58 --- nick: Gil[stretching] -> GilbertBSD 00:57:30 Gil[stretching]: it just falls into the not so common category of parsing words 00:57:36 so i needn't bother too much about it. 00:58:05 well... 00:58:13 i think i could have a hour nap 00:58:20 and then continue irc session 00:58:36 Juu: a twenty one hour ... ;) 00:58:47 i'll have pause ;) 00:58:59 even guiness try outs have pauses =) 00:59:16 GilbertBSD: u have 2 take care of differentiating between ' & ['] 00:59:23 guinnes record book thingy 00:59:32 which is the more interesting one? 00:59:54 onetom when did i join yesterday? 01:00:27 GilbertBSD: the l8r is usually immediate 01:00:28 Juu: its in the logs ... do a /whois clog 01:00:41 Juu: dont know, chk (thatis grep ;) the logs 01:00:48 agh 01:00:58 i'll take just nap if i can 01:01:10 --- nick: Juu -> juubrb 01:01:12 =) 01:01:18 juubrb: hush&go2sleep 01:01:31 ;) 01:01:38 i can't sleep on day time 01:02:23 GilbertBSD: coz ['] is the compiletime counterpart of ' 01:08:32 arrays are knocking my head about... 01:08:46 create my-array 20 allot 01:09:10 and then the spots can be filled up like so n my-array ! 01:09:39 now how do I examine specific parts of my-array ? 01:17:44 --- join: _MrReach_ (~mrreach@209.181.43.190) joined #forth 01:17:44 --- quit: XeF4 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:17:44 --- quit: MrGone (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:20:52 --- join: davidw (~davidw@adsl-243-109.38-151.net24.it) joined #forth 01:24:12 so this is what its like to be an insomniac. 01:24:19 it sucketh the big one. 01:28:53 GilbertBSD: have u read that stack machine based genetic programming article? 01:29:02 nope. 01:29:07 I had to sleep :D 01:29:12 should I go read it? 01:29:54 if u r interested in a funny & magical but still very simple area... then: yes 01:30:11 whats wrong w the arrays anyway? 01:30:28 how can u examine parts of it? 01:30:53 yes I found out how.. 01:31:06 my-array n + @ .s 01:31:26 not really... 01:31:30 use cell+ 01:31:36 oops 01:31:39 cells + 01:31:53 page 189 of Starting Forth second edition said I should do it that way ... 01:32:01 unless cell means a multiple of 4 01:32:07 unless u r using character arrays 01:32:20 no I am just working with arrays . 01:32:49 umean "number" & not char arrays, right? 01:33:10 yes yes.. 01:33:29 create randomerrr 12 , 43 , 5 , 7 , 98 , 24 , 01:33:31 thats what I did. 01:33:36 then never forget: create array size CELLS allot 01:34:13 create my-otherarray 10 allot ? 01:34:25 what is CELLS ? 01:34:34 : cells 2* 2* ; 01:34:46 in a 32bit env of coz 01:34:49 hmmm 01:35:39 thats why it is safer 2 use CELLS instead of direct constants 01:36:08 it make ur code a lil bit portable and more readable 01:36:12 so what did you want me to write it as ? 01:36:20 create my-array 10 CELLS allot ? 01:36:37 sure 01:36:52 but u dont have 2 write CELLS capitalized 01:37:03 ive just ephasised it previously 01:37:21 yes I know. 01:37:25 2 show u thats the difference between my & ur version 01:37:28 just keeping in the spirit of things ... 01:37:30 right then 01:40:31 what again did you say the use of ' and ['] were ? 01:42:20 were what? 01:42:40 hahaha that is precisely what you said when I first asked the question ;) 01:42:50 :)) 01:43:12 so whats still wrong w them? 01:43:45 okay what more do I need to learn about forth? 01:44:04 why it got abandoned in favor of C? errr, oops, did I say that? 01:44:32 ah davidw, that I can answer. 01:44:39 one word: unix 01:51:39 davidw do you like C? 02:00:57 --- quit: GilbertBSD ("xchat exiting..") 02:01:24 --- quit: Soap` (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02:05:36 yes 02:06:40 davidw: why? 02:08:13 it's easy, it's fast, it's extremely common, it's flexible enough for my needs, and I can think in it ok 02:12:26 just like pascal ;) 02:13:05 "extremely common" 02:13:21 no one uses pascal 02:15:44 just whole hungary, but nevemind 02:16:05 really? I didn't know it was that backwards! 02:16:10 ;-)))) sorry 02:16:13 I couldn't resist... 02:16:14 it doesnt worth 2 consider a handful millon of ppl ;) 02:16:47 they still use pascal in the education system here in Italy, but it's a waste of time, because no one uses it in industry 02:16:54 we learn programmin via pascal for many yrs, in hungary 02:17:44 its absolutely not a waste, coz its simple strict, still also accessible on many platforms 02:18:38 well, programming concepts are programming concepts in any language 02:19:01 but I don't think pascal has much of a future 02:19:12 you can do more with C 02:19:22 --- quit: juubrb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:19:49 davidw: it has. 02:20:40 as a teaching language in backwards educational programs? 02:20:40 davidw: its stringhandling is not tied so close 2 the machine-implementation 02:21:03 what more can u do w C? 02:21:14 onetom: it's all about the libraries 02:21:30 has anyone ever written an OS in pascal? 02:21:42 oh, fuck 02:22:00 u dont have 2 use libraries when learnin programming concepts 02:22:23 in that case, you should use scheme 02:22:33 the things accessible in -eg- borland pascal r just enough 02:23:05 I wouldn't tie an educational program to a proprietary implementation of *anything* - java, forth, C or anything else 02:24:14 eh, all the things we learn is available in any pascals, execpt bgi graphics 02:24:37 so its not tied 2 a proprietary implementation 02:34:00 --- join: LuckyPhil (~1331-h4x0@CPE-203-45-197-55.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined #forth 02:34:14 Hello 02:34:21 hi 02:34:47 Anyone here use Enth? 02:35:03 probably its author ;) 02:35:14 and i hope im also gonna use it 02:35:46 but dont know anything about it yet 02:35:58 execpt it works fine in vmware 02:35:59 sooner or later I will release my ecos+pforth 02:36:10 I've been playing with Enth all day, but I don't understand a few things 02:36:21 LuckyPhil: like what? 02:36:34 LuckyPhil: multitasking related things? 02:36:55 LuckyPhil: neither i ;) 4 the 1st glance @ least.. 02:37:31 blocks 02:37:49 ugh... 02:38:14 * onetom didnt think of blks, coz they r rather simple... 02:38:31 they probably are really simply 02:38:38 LuckyPhil: so, whats wrong w them? 02:38:43 perhaps I'm just too tired to think anymore 02:38:57 anymore :))) 02:39:31 well there are *.blk files that gets installed onto the floppy.. but the only way I seem to be able to modify them are within enth itself 02:40:24 well, there r blk editors & blk2txt & vica-versa converters outthere 02:41:04 but i havent ever used any of them yet 02:41:29 bigforth also uses blks, so probably it has such utils 02:41:36 hmm.. might do a search for one 02:41:58 I prefer files, its easier :) 02:42:02 k, hold on, im also lookin some 4 ya 02:42:20 hey, umean TEXT files! 02:42:29 coz blks r also files 02:42:46 even more simple than txt files, actually 02:43:02 coz they have a static structure 02:43:25 while txt files have dynamic structure 02:43:31 blocks seem to be without returns.. and don't look pretty in text file editors 02:44:10 sure 02:44:34 thanks for that.. I'm not having much sucess in searching.. 02:44:50 coz such a strict structure requires different editing functions 02:45:56 If I can find a block->txt converter and txt->block coverter I'd be set :) 02:46:36 maybe emacs has something 02:46:37 k, wait some more mins 02:49:44 LuckyPhil: bigforth only has scr2ps & scr2str, no backward converter :( 02:50:07 bugger 02:51:25 k 02:51:29 forthos.org 02:51:33 get the os 02:51:53 and it has 4th2txt & txt24th 02:52:58 thanks.. will have a look :) 03:29:48 --- join: LuckyPhil2 (~1331-h4x0@CPE-203-45-197-55.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined #forth 03:29:48 --- quit: LuckyPhil (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:29:56 onetom, you still there? 03:30:01 yup 03:30:01 --- nick: LuckyPhil2 -> LuckyPhil 03:30:17 the txt conversion worked!.. your a legend :) 03:30:23 loll 03:31:10 nooo, im just an overclocked eager-beaver net-reader 03:33:41 now I can do some serious mod-ding :) 03:34:06 great! let me know i u succeed! 03:34:22 what r u trying 2 use enth 4, btw? 03:34:39 s/i u/if u/ 03:37:52 --- join: Speuler (~l@a161161.upc-a.chello.nl) joined #forth 03:37:59 'morning 03:40:37 --- join: Soap` (flop@210-54-195-224.dialup.xtra.co.nz) joined #forth 04:05:15 --- join: gforth0 (guest@adsl52064.vnet.hu) joined #forth 04:05:15 --- quit: LuckyPhil (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04:16:48 --- join: onetom_ (tom@adsl52064.vnet.hu) joined #forth 04:23:22 --- quit: onetom (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:23:22 --- nick: onetom_ -> onetom 04:23:45 --- quit: gforth (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:23:46 --- nick: gforth0 -> gforth 04:30:34 --- quit: ChanServ (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:30:37 --- quit: onetom (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:30:45 --- quit: Talia` (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:30:45 --- quit: nothing (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:30:45 --- quit: deltab (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:31:59 --- join: ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) joined #forth 04:31:59 --- join: onetom (tom@adsl52064.vnet.hu) joined #forth 04:31:59 --- join: nothing (~nothing@pcp01518417pcs.reding01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 04:31:59 --- join: Talia` (goshawk@panix1.panix.com) joined #forth 04:31:59 --- join: deltab (~deltab@216.234.235.21) joined #forth 04:31:59 --- mode: carter.openprojects.net set +o ChanServ 04:32:21 --- join: Etaoin (~david@ljk2-14.sat.net) joined #forth 05:06:51 --- quit: Etaoin ("raise SystemExit") 05:23:31 --- part: Speuler left #forth 05:23:31 --- quit: davidw (Remote closed the connection) 05:23:31 --- join: davidw (~davidw@adsl-243-109.38-151.net24.it) joined #forth 05:35:17 --- join: gforth0 (guest@adsl52034.vnet.hu) joined #forth 05:46:40 --- join: onetom_ (tom@adsl52034.vnet.hu) joined #forth 05:53:25 --- quit: onetom (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:53:25 --- nick: onetom_ -> onetom 05:53:50 --- quit: gforth (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:53:50 --- nick: gforth0 -> gforth 07:19:13 --- join: Fare (fare@samaris.tunes.org) joined #forth 08:00:31 hi Fare 08:07:50 --- quit: Fare ("Connection reset by pear") 08:21:06 --- join: juubrb (ammu@baana-62-165-189-112.phnet.fi) joined #forth 08:21:13 --- nick: juubrb -> Juu 08:21:37 heyhey 08:21:39 brbr was a bit longer time 08:21:41 i took dog for a walk 08:21:43 and ate a bit 08:21:45 :) 08:22:04 hmm.. maybe i shoud go watch some tv 08:25:16 --- quit: Juu (Client Quit) 08:31:54 * joa_ looks around but doesn't see i440r 08:33:03 joa_: he must b sleepin 09:30:30 --- join: jim (~jim@12-233-225-152.client.attbi.com) joined #forth 09:31:28 --- part: jim left #forth 10:03:59 --- join: Juu (ammu@baana-62-165-189-112.phnet.fi) joined #forth 10:09:48 --- join: Etaoin (~david@ljk2-14.sat.net) joined #forth 10:19:51 --- join: I440r (~mark4@1Cust94.tnt1.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #forth 10:29:53 --- join: Speuler (~l@a161161.upc-a.chello.nl) joined #forth 10:30:26 aan guude 10:31:38 --- nick: rob_zZzZz -> rob_ert 10:31:41 --- join: jim (~jim@12-233-225-152.client.attbi.com) joined #forth 10:32:17 --- part: jim left #forth 10:53:35 --- nick: Juu -> JuuBBL 10:56:26 --- quit: I440r ("bbl - gotta get offline or irc gets in the way of coding :P") 10:59:10 --- join: jim (~jim@12-233-225-152.client.attbi.com) joined #forth 11:00:41 I thought it might be cool to let people know (somehow: topic, bot, chanserv) about the event on the 18th, and interested parties to prepare "what is future of forth" opinions for C. Moore 11:01:13 Hmm 11:01:21 * rob_ert will think about that. 11:24:50 hello 11:26:02 Hi :-) 11:34:09 --- nick: JuuBBL -> Juu 11:34:20 re re 11:35:08 xDDD 11:39:54 --- join: tcn (tcn@tc2-login22.megatrondata.com) joined #forth 11:39:54 --- mode: ChanServ set +o tcn 11:40:36 Hi. 11:41:44 hey 11:51:57 hey tcn 11:52:02 i thought you gave up computers? 11:52:46 i don't know 11:53:19 i thought i'd have a farm by now 11:54:11 a farm? 11:54:17 why do you want a farm? 11:54:59 to grow food :) 11:55:17 --- join: Fare (fare@samaris.tunes.org) joined #forth 11:55:59 but anyway, land prices have gone up too high 11:57:52 Move to a djugle, and take what you need :-) 11:58:07 Or maybe the english spelling is "jungle"? 11:58:31 yeah 11:59:26 hey Fare, I got an idea for spam... Reply with a message from the mail daemon saying you don't exist :) 12:00:04 reply to where? many spammer give fake sender addresses 12:00:43 don't they want to know if the addresses are valid? 12:00:50 the target addresses 12:08:43 tcn: a recent slashdot story proves that they mostly don't 12:08:56 spam address resellers sell volume, not quality 12:09:03 j00 12:09:06 hello hello 12:09:10 hows oging now? 12:09:31 to them, 1e6 fake addresses are worth better than 1e4 real addresses 12:09:48 hhe 12:09:53 hi juu 12:10:09 /nick miiiii 12:11:41 hehe.. i never finished my story about the guy who goes around brutally dispatching spammers to the netherworld :) 12:11:48 yay dune today 12:12:38 dune? 12:16:40 tcn: did that story really happen? 12:16:46 it's scifi thingy-dingy 12:17:36 fare: I wish 12:17:55 juu: Frank Herbert's Dune? 12:18:14 some miniserie 12:18:16 2/3 today 12:18:51 oh I think I saw that one.. 6 hours long.. Much better than the first Dune movie 12:19:39 first was 2 hours i suppose this is only 1 or 1½ 12:21:59 So how's your Finnish tutorial coming along? :) 12:22:11 Hyvää päivää! 12:24:36 oh 12:24:43 tcn what to learn finnish? 12:24:43 :) 12:24:59 i shoudl start it, yay, but first i need working system for me 12:27:17 yea 12:27:30 where do you live at? 12:27:41 near Boston 12:27:49 k 12:28:58 what kind of system?? 12:31:22 well 12:31:28 i mean 2 different things with that 12:31:37 first i mean that i have to get ethernet card working in linux 12:31:42 and then i mean at the same time 12:32:00 that i have to build system where i can conviencly add data and then retivere it 12:32:20 database, probably, to access it 12:32:28 writing just 1000 web pages is not very clever 12:32:39 for changing outlook either 12:32:58 the problem is that i dont ahve server where there woudl be some sql and php or soem other langauge 12:33:05 and i dont tolerate ads =) 12:33:12 stabile server 12:33:28 i'm not sure what system my isp supports, but i expect none 12:33:30 you want to do this with a database..? 12:33:54 hmm.. 12:33:56 i dont know.. 12:34:03 how about text files? 12:34:07 yuck 12:34:14 there is still that same thing 12:34:18 maintaining the outlook 12:34:23 is hard 12:34:40 think smaller thoughts :) 12:34:43 fields(title, textcontents) 12:34:55 i can't because i can make so big =) 12:35:39 I found a good Gaelic tutorial that just listed some vocabulary, then had some conversations, writings, etc.. 12:37:22 each lesson adds another 20-30 words.. 12:38:23 heh 12:38:31 tcn, are you a colorForth expert? 12:38:45 kotisivu on muuttanut? is that "can't find" or something? 12:39:11 nothing: i've played w/ it & gone over the kernel code 12:40:45 are you writiing your own Forth at all?> 12:42:05 --- quit: Etaoin ("raise CreativityError, "can't find a good exit message"") 12:42:19 yup.. 12:43:38 I can do it in Linux, DOS, BSD, or with no OS 12:43:57 * Juu guesses it woudl be easier to leran any 5 pogramming languages than finnish 12:44:16 hehe 12:44:43 yes, including at&t assembler :) 12:44:44 one time I found a book on Finnish at the library 12:45:00 finnish is actually "trend" language 12:45:04 finnish, hungarian, gaelic.. all kinds of weird stuff :) 12:45:11 taught in very many universities 12:45:28 actually finnish is more logical than english :) 12:54:58 hey what's liero mean? 12:57:48 liero? 12:58:43 it's a game.. you shoot each other :) 13:01:59 finnish even 13:02:06 liero is finnish word.. it's 13:02:24 ah. it can mean criminal or just "unpleasant" human 13:02:40 and then someone call worms used in fishing also as liero 13:02:48 but now 13:02:49 dune on tv 13:02:51 good night 13:02:54 and for tomorrow 13:02:54 see ya 13:03:00 oh, stil one thing 13:03:04 tcn: is that an irish gael tutorial? 13:03:14 scottish 13:03:28 there's plenty of irish stuff though 13:03:32 tcn: some yrs b4 me girlfriend has also found such thing 13:03:49 tcn: k, iwas just curious about it 13:03:53 -- if you wish to make sure you'll know when i start doign finnis tutorial you can send me email telling you want to lean finnish and your irc name (and channel:) . -> pilkku@iki.fi -- 13:03:55 but now 13:03:59 dune good night 13:04:08 hehe 13:04:11 gnight 13:04:35 goodnight 13:04:48 --- quit: Juu ("dune on tv :)") 13:05:05 heh.. it won't be night for a long time here 13:05:26 tcn: wow. where r ya? 13:05:51 tcn: iguess ur close 2 1 of the poles 13:06:33 you know where Boston is? or New York? 13:07:17 sure 13:07:29 yeah, I went down near the equator once and it was weird how it's dark for 12 hours :) 13:07:54 NY is on the same "height" as where budapest is 13:08:25 yeah 13:09:11 sorry, but my english georafical voc is very thin :/ 13:09:14 --- join: Etaoin (~david@ljk2-14.sat.net) joined #forth 13:09:37 hehe.. yeah, you mean "latitude" 13:10:02 aha, c :) thx and how do u call the other lines? 13:10:09 longitude 13:10:20 --- quit: Etaoin (Remote closed the connection) 13:10:26 what do YOU call them? 13:10:27 aaaah, thats it. iguess, i should know them anyway 13:11:02 wideness & longness circles (in a mirror translation) 13:11:30 in hungarian? 13:11:53 szélességi és hosszúsági körök 13:12:09 quite different, huh? ;) 13:12:11 korok = lines? 13:12:26 no, cicrles, coz circle = kör 13:12:54 is sounds similar 2 the cur part in the word curve 13:13:19 i see 13:13:41 so it must "come from that direction", iguess 13:13:53 and 'sz' is pronounced like 'ss' in english? 13:13:54 but where r U from? 13:14:03 and where do u live now? 13:14:13 --- join: Etaoin (~david@ljk2-14.sat.net) joined #forth 13:15:23 well I'm from New York state, born in Texas, live in Massachusetts now 13:17:09 c 13:17:57 in my case all these parameters r the very same: szeged :) 13:19:13 so what's it like in your part of hungary? city or not? 13:19:45 city 13:20:33 our city is the most sunny city of the country 13:20:53 its a calm, not crowded place 13:21:31 not like NY :) 13:22:16 the area of NY is roughly equal 2 the area of whole hungary 13:22:33 cant remember the exact data 13:22:56 but we have ~12*10^6 citizens 13:23:06 that sounds about right 13:23:34 120 million? 13:23:45 its 3hrs tall & 4.5hrs wide by car ;) 13:23:52 12million 13:24:13 hehe.. I thought 120 would be pretty damn crowded 13:25:27 you guys must drive fast 13:33:04 well i'm tired out 13:33:10 see ya 13:34:06 --- quit: tcn ("Leaving") 14:11:04 --- quit: _MrReach_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:59:34 --- join: futhin (~think@h24-64-174-2.cg.shawcable.net) joined #forth 14:59:52 Hey :D 15:00:02 co'o 15:00:24 lojban for hello/greetings 15:00:54 pronounced: shoho 15:01:07 except the h is kind of silent or something 15:01:32 Heh... 15:01:40 * rob_ert spits at lojban :) 15:01:58 Speah swedish instead. 15:03:01 naw 15:03:07 lojban is a constructed language 15:04:14 If they spell "shoho" like "co'o", they suck. 15:04:19 End of story :) 15:05:07 supposed to be easy to learn, is logical, is regular (does not have all sorts of exceptions), and was developed to test the Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis 15:05:24 sapir-whorf hypothesis is about language affecting and limiting our thinking.. 15:05:40 language influences thought.. 15:06:15 The name "lojban" reminds me of "lajban", and "lattjo lajban" is some sort of stupid show for kids :) 15:06:19 if you know more than 1 language, you might find it easier to think of a particular concept in a different language than your native toungue, and vise-versa 15:06:53 so hopefully, with lojban, we have more freedom of thought & can handle more complex concepts 15:06:57 :) 15:07:11 Just read an article about that in a scientific magazine. 15:07:19 (not lojban, but languages + thinking) 15:07:23 it is also supposed to be logical for the most part, so we should be less irrational ;) 15:07:48 there are still lots of emotional words, etc, so the fact it is "logical" doesn't mean we become emotionless.. 15:07:58 it's not a vulcan language (mr. spock) :P 15:08:48 We should make the language they describe in 1984. 15:08:58 lojban doesn't use K and H and Q.. ' is supposed to be a silent h.. c being pronounced as sh isn't a big deal :P 15:09:10 rob_ert: what language do they use in 1984? 15:09:42 Novlang 15:09:47 lojban is interesting, the rules are so strict, that you can run a lot of the words together without losing understanding.. 15:10:06 the word formation rules that is 15:10:07 Fare: "Nyspråk" in the swedish translation. 15:10:18 Means "new language", heh... 15:10:56 in english and french, it's a shorthand that cuts through oldthinking syllables 15:11:33 I mean, double plus plus good, cuts double plus ungood oldthinking crud 15:12:25 Yeah. 15:12:56 Big brother is ungood - that's simply a paradox for a goodthinking person. 15:13:12 doublethinking ownz 15:13:24 * rob_ert triplethinks. 15:13:28 BB ungood?!? You oldthinking! 15:13:32 * Fare calls the thought police 15:13:37 * rob_ert gets varporized. 15:13:53 you can't triplethink 15:13:58 futhin: ;D 15:14:05