00:00:00 --- log: started forth/02.04.30 00:32:29 --- join: goshawk` (goshawk@goshawk.dialup.access.net) joined #forth 01:14:32 Hi 01:14:57 --- quit: davidw (Remote closed the connection) 01:15:01 hey hey =) 01:40:18 --- quit: goshawk` ("...") 02:13:32 --- join: Soap` (flop@210-55-82-125.dialup.xtra.co.nz) joined #forth 02:16:51 Hi Soap` 02:22:24 'ello 02:24:22 --- quit: cdesousa (".") 02:28:44 --- join: syf (syf@faeldryn.demon.nl) joined #forth 02:41:46 hi syf 02:42:05 bro of sif :) 02:43:21 hi :P 04:33:29 --- join: Speuler (~l@a161161.upc-a.chello.nl) joined #forth 05:10:56 --- quit: syf ("changing universes") 05:12:51 --- join: cdesousa (syf@faeldryn.demon.nl) joined #forth 05:25:15 --- join: sif (~siforth@ip68-9-58-81.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 05:25:15 Type sif: (or /msg sif to play in private) 06:17:01 sif: : xx 10 0 do i . loop ; 06:17:02 Speuler: 06:17:10 sif: xx 06:17:11 Speuler: Word not found: xx 06:17:15 sif: : xx 10 0 do i . loop ; xx 06:17:16 Speuler: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 06:17:29 sif: : xx 10000 0 do loop ; xx 06:17:31 Speuler: 06:17:44 sif: : xx 10000 0 do 10000 0 do loop loop ; xx 06:17:45 Speuler: 06:17:59 sif: : xx 1000 0 do 1000 0 do loop loop ; xx 06:18:00 Speuler: 06:18:08 sif: : xx 1000 0 do 1000 0 do 1000 0 do loop loop loop ; xx 06:18:09 Speuler: 06:19:12 sif: xxx begin again ; xxx 06:19:13 Speuler: Word not found: xxx 06:19:20 sif: : xxx begin again ; xxx 06:19:22 Speuler: Word not found: again 06:19:29 sif: : xxx begin 0 until ; xxx 06:19:31 Speuler: 06:20:05 sif: : xxx begin key drop 0 until ; xxx 06:20:06 Speuler: Word not found: key 06:20:43 sif: : xxx begin dup 0 until ; xxx 06:20:44 Speuler: stack underflow 06:22:11 sif: : xxx r> . ; : yyy 1 . xxx ; : zzz 2 yyy ; zzz 06:22:12 Speuler: 1 690 06:22:41 sif: : xxx r> >r ; : yyy 1 . xxx ; : zzz 2 yyy ; zzz 06:22:42 Speuler: 1 06:23:07 sif: : xxx r> >r ; : yyy 1 . xxx ; : zzz 2 . yyy ; zzz 06:23:09 Speuler: 2 1 06:23:14 sif: : xxx r> . ; : yyy 1 . xxx ; : zzz 2 . yyy ; zzz 06:23:16 Speuler: 2 1 690 06:23:38 sif: : xxx r> r> . . ; : yyy 1 . xxx ; : zzz 2 . yyy ; zzz 06:23:39 Speuler: 2 1 704 694 07:00:40 :-) 07:35:52 --- join: gilbertbsd (~gilbert@m190.max3.dacor.net) joined #forth 07:36:14 Hey 07:36:20 hi robert 07:36:55 sif: .( Hello ) 07:36:56 gilbertbsd: Hello 07:37:24 --- join: corr (~rmw@11Cust32.tnt2.lancaster.ca.da.uu.net) joined #forth 07:37:34 Hi 07:37:55 sif: : newword 5 0 do 42 emit cr ; newword 07:37:55 . 07:37:56 gilbertbsd: * 07:38:07 sif: : newword 5 0 do 42 emit ; newword 07:38:09 gilbertbsd: * 07:38:15 why does it show just one thing? 07:38:47 bored now 07:38:53 gforth: : newword 5 0 do 42 emit ; newword 07:38:57 gilbertbsd: in file included from *the terminal*:-1 07:38:58 gilbertbsd: /tmp/fsock-sh-server.request.tmp:46: unstructured 07:38:58 gilbertbsd: : newword 5 0 do 42 emit ; newword 07:38:58 gilbertbsd: ^ 07:38:58 gilbertbsd: Backtrace: 07:38:59 gilbertbsd: $4011B640 throw 07:39:03 gilbertbsd: $4012245C 07:39:03 gilbertbsd: $401284E4 def? 07:39:05 gilbertbsd: $4011EF34 ;-hook 07:41:00 rob_ert: do you know whats wrong with gforth? 07:42:17 No.. 07:42:45 ah I do know what I did wrong . 07:42:51 * gilbertbsd is a twit 07:42:57 gforth: : newword 5 0 do 42 emit loop ; newword 07:43:01 gilbertbsd: ***** 07:43:14 hah 07:43:29 gilbertbsd: :)) he said "fuck." 07:43:44 hi onetom 07:43:46 hahaha 07:43:48 --- part: corr left #forth 07:44:54 hi guys. wazzup? 07:45:04 Hey onetom :)) 07:45:08 very little. 07:45:29 hehe, yeah 07:45:34 lil, like * 07:47:15 I wasn't paying attention. 07:47:28 it should have come automatically with the typing of the ';' 07:48:46 --- join: futhin (~thin@h24-64-174-2.cg.shawcable.net) joined #forth 07:48:53 Heyhey 07:49:21 hey 07:49:32 what are you hax0ring rob_ert? 07:51:08 Debian ;) 07:51:25 Trying to (1) get networking to work on that other box, and (2) setting up NFS 07:55:41 okey dokey, gotta go 07:55:43 --- quit: futhin ("gtg") 07:59:17 --- join: herkamire (~jason@wsip68-15-54-54.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 07:59:33 hi herkamire 07:59:41 hi herkemer 08:04:21 --- quit: rob_ert ("Strawberry fields forever.") 08:07:55 --- part: gilbertbsd left #forth 08:14:42 --- join: rob_ert (~robert@h237n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #forth 08:37:46 --- join: MrReach (~mrreach@209.181.43.190) joined #forth 08:50:46 Hi MrReach :)( 08:50:56 hihi! 08:55:34 --- quit: Speuler (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09:20:07 hmmm.. I was just whining to myself how nobody is saying anything here, then I noticed that I (yet again) opened up xchat and then completely forgot about it for over an hour. 09:20:26 heh, so whine away 09:20:35 waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 09:20:54 is there something on your mind? 09:21:34 quote: never say "oops", always say "Aahhhh, interesting". 09:21:44 heh 09:21:52 good rule-of-thumb 09:28:44 my mind is mostly full of complaints. I should have slept more... 09:35:49 --- join: Soap- (flop@203-96-99-28.dialup.xtra.co.nz) joined #forth 10:01:56 --- quit: Soap` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:14:51 --- join: I440r (~mark4@1Cust30.tnt2.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #forth 10:16:14 :)= 10:16:50 --- quit: MrReach () 10:17:57 err. is he like pissed off with me or what ? 10:18:39 No idea... maybe he just felt like leaving? :-) 10:21:50 --- join: MrReach (~mrreach@209.181.43.190) joined #forth 10:22:00 hihi! 10:22:49 Hi again 10:22:58 Tell I440r you love him, he seems to need it :-) 10:23:06 heh 10:23:08 lol 10:23:17 * MrReach hugs the stuffing outta I440r 10:23:20 it just seemed to me like you left as i entered heh 10:23:22 lol 10:23:28 but i NEED my stuffing! 10:23:31 I did, actually 10:23:45 BECAUSE i entered ? 10:23:57 I tried to type "hihi!" to the channel, but mIRC had decided to stop receiving keystrokes for some reason. 10:24:04 aha 10:24:06 lol 10:24:16 that'll teach you to use windows :P 10:24:25 yup, I'm learning 10:24:48 win is great for the desktop ... forbidden for mission-critical, though 10:25:20 :) 10:25:28 I wonder if M$ has ever studied the cost per employee/day in the time they spend rebooting their machines. 10:26:14 er. its not THEIR cost 10:26:22 well, yes and no 10:26:29 you buy a broken package its your own fault :P 10:26:32 I presume they use their own op-sys 10:26:49 i bet they are porting all their servers to linux tho ;) 10:26:57 haha! 10:27:04 trying to get these vocabs to work 10:27:08 * MrReach nods. 10:27:08 i crash on reveal 10:27:15 methinks its got a bug :P 10:27:30 probably 10:27:36 nasm however IS reliably chaining words on different vocabs now 10:27:36 probably more than one 10:27:40 i looked at the listing 10:27:48 and the links are correct 10:27:54 cool 10:27:57 hashing yet? 10:28:09 I *THINK* it can be done with NASM 10:28:18 no. all words are on the first thread 10:28:33 it might be possible to hash in nasm but it would be extreeeemly complex 10:28:39 but, as you've pointed out, NASM has some quirks in the macro processor 10:28:57 if nasm could do %define arrays it would be easier :) 10:29:22 im not goign to try getting nasm to do it 10:29:35 ok 10:29:42 i might write a word that goes thru each vocabulary and rehashes it on boot tho 10:29:47 might as well remove the hash tables, then 10:29:58 oh! that's an idea 10:29:58 as a kludge till they are actually COMPILED on the correct hash table 10:30:03 kinda lame, but it would work 10:30:07 yea 10:30:09 kludge heh 10:30:11 BUT 10:30:24 sequence of events.... 10:30:28 1: compile kernel 10:30:33 2: run kernel.com 10:30:39 kernel.com rehashes all words 10:30:50 3: extend kernel (compile hashes) 10:30:57 oh, cool, only during the compile phase 10:30:57 4: save out new extended kernel 10:31:21 5: run extended kernel - this needs to know it should NOT rehash 10:32:01 when i got the assembler and meta compiler the meta compile would do all the hashing so i can rm -rf the 'rehash' word 10:32:56 heh 10:33:30 gotta run for a bit 10:33:34 k 10:33:35 --- nick: MrReach -> MrGone 10:33:41 im a debuggin :) 10:43:42 --- join: tathi (~tathi@wsip68-15-54-54.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 10:46:05 Hello :-) 11:13:14 --- quit: I440r ("bbl") 11:38:00 --- quit: rob_ert ("Strawberry fields forever.") 11:45:11 --- join: Fare (fare@samaris.tunes.org) joined #forth 12:34:56 --- nick: MrGone -> MrReach 13:23:15 --- join: rob_ert (~robert@h237n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #forth 14:23:51 --- quit: tathi ("Client Exiting") 14:25:47 --- quit: herkamire ("Client Exiting") 14:54:33 --- join: Speuler (~l@a161161.upc-a.chello.nl) joined #forth 14:57:44 Hello 15:50:31 hihi 15:59:14 --- join: aaronl__ (aaronl@vitelus.com) joined #forth 15:59:32 --- part: aaronl__ left #forth 16:32:00 --- nick: rob_ert -> ^zZzZz^ 16:32:25 --- quit: ^zZzZz^ ("Strawberry fields forever.") 17:28:34 --- quit: Fare ("3053") 17:34:46 --- join: I440r (~mark4@1Cust254.tnt3.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #forth 17:34:57 well i think were almost ready with vocabularies :) 17:35:05 not quite there yet tho 17:35:06 cool! 17:35:08 but close :) 17:35:39 I think I borke my bot 17:35:40 do you still get a buzz when you been trying to get something to work and then figure it out ? 17:35:47 lol i did that :) 17:35:53 with mine heh 17:36:01 yes, I do 17:36:07 when im working on something and then it all falls into place i get a realy good buzzz 17:36:11 who the hell needs drugs :) 17:36:21 people tired of coding 17:36:31 its not even working yet but im high as a kite heheh 17:36:34 lol 17:36:41 I used to use marijuana to get buzzed ... got bored with that, too 17:36:59 man i was getting realy annoyed with a gazillion things all in one vocab 17:37:09 i did it a cpl of times - never did nothing for me 17:37:15 its like - bleh. so what 17:37:18 so, I don't toke as much as I used to, and don't code as much as I used to 17:37:19 i never bothered after that 17:37:41 heh 17:37:43 i used to code for like 14 hours straight and sleep for 4 or 5 17:37:53 for like months on end 17:37:57 arg! 17:38:06 a mind is a terrible thing to fry 17:38:10 lol 17:38:24 Mt. Dew? 17:38:26 now i just code for 11 or 12 hours and sleep for 11 or 12 hours :) 17:38:34 dew works for me! 17:38:53 heh, the trademark of a dedicated coder 17:39:17 used to be to be twinkies :P 17:40:32 well, which should I do? clean install of WinXPPro ... or try to get a DSL card to work with Linux? 17:40:48 both are laborious and potentially fustrating 17:41:09 dsl works with linux easy 17:41:18 internal modem you mean ? 17:41:19 yeah, but with a PCI card??? 17:41:24 eep 17:41:31 internal modems SUCK lol 17:41:34 hrm 17:41:47 I'm so sick of this Cisco router I'd like to shoot it (literally) 17:41:49 one would assumei it would require drivers 17:42:15 if it would do bridge mode correctly, I'd be happy 17:42:20 but NOOOOO! 17:42:37 lol 17:42:54 if I can get it to work, the internal card would be MUCH more versatile 17:43:35 ya 17:43:41 i would say try get it to work 17:43:48 but you might need kernel drivers for it 17:43:50 that's a big "if", though 17:43:53 yep 17:44:13 lots of browsing around kernel hacking sites, maybe a kernel compile 17:44:20 blah 17:44:35 who made the card 17:44:46 maybe they SUPPORT it in linux (dont hold your breath tho) 17:44:47 but XP is about the same, copy all my data onto the server (about 4 hours) 17:44:59 good, idea, lemme go get it 17:45:46 ooh how should 'words' work with multiple vocabularies 17:46:01 words [enter] only display words that are in context ? 17:46:07 words blah [enter] 17:46:18 display all words in context that have 'blah' in them ? 17:46:39 i would also like to be able to list words from ANY vocab even if its not in context 17:48:46 and - is 15312 bytes for an unextended 32 bit forth ALOT? or is it just me 17:48:55 ok ... 17:49:12 it's quite a bit 17:49:39 WORDS should show everything currently visible 17:49:56 (the search order stack) 17:49:58 i.e. all words from all vocabularies listed in context 17:50:04 right 17:50:12 thats what i thunked 17:50:19 now, there's two ways to do the other 17:50:21 fpc allows 'words bleh' 17:50:29 and any word withy 'bleh' in it gets listed 17:50:36 s" blah" WORDS-LIKE ... and 17:50:47 WORDS" blah" 17:51:01 hrm s" again :P 17:51:08 words" looks good tho 17:51:10 ' s" ALIAS " 17:51:16 lol 17:51:23 sorry, forgot your knee-jerk 17:51:43 and to list words from ANY vocabulary even when not in context ? 17:51:48 if you think about it, WORDS" contains WORDS-LIKE 17:52:00 ALL-WORDS 17:52:22 er no. all-words would show ALL words from ALL vocabularies 17:52:32 what if i wanted to list all words from the assembler vocabulary 17:52:35 right, isn't that what you wanted? 17:52:35 words assembler 17:52:53 all-words would be usefull too but it would flood the screen heh 17:53:05 you wanted substring matching? 17:53:08 im not thinking of what i want - im so familiar with my forth i know every word in it by heart heh 17:53:25 substring matching and the ability to specify the search order for words 17:53:31 without modifying context 17:53:35 oh, AND specify? 17:53:41 yes lol heh 17:53:49 god, I can't even think of a syntax, much less a good name 17:54:48 exactly! 17:54:52 see why i asked you ? 17:54:52 lol 17:55:13 it would also make ppl want to do both at the same time 17:55:16 not one or other 17:55:21 hrm 17:55:24 sounds like featureitis 17:55:43 if people want to search a wordlist, let them add it to the search stack 17:55:52 otherwise, they can look globally 17:56:10 ya 17:56:15 (which gets a bit confusing when considering hidden vocabs) 17:56:31 should they be able to do substring searches with each method ? 17:56:33 it's an Intel DSL Pro 2100 17:56:43 pretty generic card 17:57:03 if intel themselves doesnt support the chipset in linux some third party might 18:00:02 . 18:00:38 I'm searching 18:00:58 with some succcess, I'm obviously not the only idiot trying to do this 18:02:21 :) 18:05:55 --- join: davidw (~davidw@ppp-110-19.25-151.libero.it) joined #forth 18:12:34 well, guess what I'm gonna do? 18:12:53 I'm just gonna plug the card into the server and see if it recognises it 18:13:05 guess what that means for my IRC connection??? 18:13:39 --- nick: MrReach -> MrGone 18:13:49 hehe 18:13:57 erm.... let me guess 18:14:18 * I440r hopes mrreach doesnt blow his b0xen up! 18:23:44 --- join: MrReach (~mrreach@209.181.43.190) joined #forth 18:24:16 well, I'm not going to do any such thing ... the ethernet cards take up all my PCI slots. 18:24:23 blarg! 18:24:55 I'll tack XP tonight, worry about the card later ... the router does "ok" 18:26:34 lol 18:26:39 how many slots do you have ? 18:26:54 how many nic's ? 18:26:54 three in this old motherboard 18:27:05 err why does your box need to be on three networks 18:27:07 two nics, one video card 18:27:09 cant you use a HUB ? 18:27:14 aha 18:27:15 rite 18:27:24 one nic for local net - one for external ? 18:27:35 the old EISA video card biffed it 18:27:38 yep 18:27:52 grrr i STILL cant get to forth.org :( 18:27:55 my linux box really does act as a smart router 18:28:15 dinner's ready, back in a bit. 18:28:23 k im gona be outa here soon 18:28:28 need to finish the vocab code 18:28:31 --- nick: MrReach -> _MrGone_ 18:28:32 want to release it asap 18:28:37 * _MrGone_ nods. 18:31:48 * I440r outa here too now - code code code! 18:31:48 --- quit: I440r ("code code code") 18:41:46 --- quit: MrGone (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:47:33 --- nick: _MrGone_ -> MrReach 18:48:03 --- join: futhin (thin@h24-64-174-2.cg.shawcable.net) joined #forth 18:48:25 hihi 18:55:20 --- quit: davidw (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19:08:18 time to check my email.. has chuck moore sent me another email?! hold onto your pants.. 19:08:44 damn 19:08:46 no email heh 19:08:56 boy that was anti-climatic wasn't it? :P 19:09:18 * futhin wonders if cm's mail filter drops all emails of a certain size.. 19:10:04 has he sent you any yet? 19:30:14 yeah 19:30:25 but i'm waiting for a response on "when he's going to show up" 19:30:32 heh 19:39:55 gtg 19:39:57 --- quit: futhin ("gtg") 19:48:49 --- quit: ChanServ (Shutting Down) 19:49:34 --- join: ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) joined #forth 19:49:34 --- mode: carter.openprojects.net set +o ChanServ 19:49:34 --- mode: ChanServ set +l 83 20:25:15 --- join: I440r (~mark4@1Cust180.tnt3.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #forth 20:25:42 all vocabulary words EXCEPT ONE - now work perfectly :P 20:25:48 the word 'vocabulary' segfaults :P 20:26:54 extended kernel is no 28320 in size - argh this is HUGE!!! 20:26:58 and growing :P 20:32:33 Woot! 20:33:41 heh 20:56:12 --- quit: I440r (No route to host) 20:57:37 --- quit: Speuler (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21:31:24 --- join: I440r (~mark4@1Cust253.tnt1.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #forth 21:31:51 :))) 21:31:53 vocabularies are a GO :) 21:31:55 gotta update the changelog 21:31:59 then ill release 1.05b 21:32:56 --- join: goshawk` (goshawk@goshawk.dialup.access.net) joined #forth 21:33:10 hi gosh! 21:33:17 i just got vocabularies to work in isforth :) 21:33:21 close to a new release now:) 21:33:24 hey hey! 21:33:29 wow, cool 21:33:37 if i said it was a BITCH i would be understating it heh 21:33:41 was it as hard to do as you thought? 21:33:50 answered my question =) 21:34:14 why was it such a mule to kick around? 21:34:57 ever tried writing nasm macros to create forth headers ? 21:35:07 no =) 21:35:08 and then make them chain those headers on various chains ? 21:35:15 sounds ugly 21:35:17 exactly :P 21:35:27 it is. but i can live with it 21:35:37 because its not something i have to live with forever 21:35:40 hah...I am glad you got it going 21:35:54 me 2 cuz now i can do the assembler extension 21:36:00 actually, im DREADING that 21:36:01 heh 21:36:04 oh 21:36:07 do you plan on setting up "sealed" vocabularies, or no? 21:36:13 i also think i got the FBSD include fixed. 21:36:15 yes you can seal 21:36:25 nice 21:36:27 on both counts 21:36:42 seal is like only 21:36:47 only dumps everything except root 21:37:00 seal dumps everything except the specified vocabulary 21:37:05 right...it doesn't sound hard to do, but I wouldn't know 21:37:07 locks you into that voc 21:37:21 actually the various vocab primatives were easy 21:37:34 isforth's also word however is a NOOP 21:37:38 if you do 21:37:44 forth also also also also also 21:37:49 and then do blah 21:37:55 forth vocab is searched five times 21:38:03 unless they put checks in there to prevent 21:38:05 but if you do 21:38:19 forth also assembler also forth also assembler 21:38:27 you will search BOTH of thsoe twice 21:38:29 very bad 21:38:33 in isforth you do 21:38:34 only 21:38:39 now you have ONLY root 21:38:44 only forth 21:38:48 you have root and forth 21:38:56 only forth assembler forth 21:39:13 you have forth put on the context stack 21:39:18 then you get assembler pushed onto it 21:39:37 the second time you specify forth THAT vocabulary is rotated out to the top of the context stack 21:39:46 thers a word called .context in isforth 21:39:52 only forth assembler 21:39:54 .context 21:40:01 root forth assembler <--- top 21:40:03 forth 21:40:05 neat! 21:40:05 .context 21:40:12 root assembler forth <--- top 21:40:31 the word definitions takes top of context stack and puts it in current. all new defs go in that vocab 21:40:52 the 'rotate out to top' idea was mrreaches 21:41:09 i always hated the also word - always looked fubar to me 21:42:09 yeah...cobol...or applescript-like =) 21:42:29 yeah, where did you get the idea for a context stack? 21:43:40 cobol comment in reference to 'also' 21:43:48 err f863 uses one. so does fpc 21:44:00 i believe all forths that use vocabularies have a context stack 21:44:08 it specifies which vocabularies will be searched 21:44:17 yes yes, nm...it does 21:44:31 I use it all the time with PMF 21:44:31 oh. words now displays all words in each vocab thats in the context stack 21:44:32 :P 21:44:41