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07:34:31 <Speuler> 'day
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08:07:51 <gilbertbsd> HELLO
08:07:58 <onetom> hi
08:08:18 <gilbertbsd> :)
08:08:29 <I440r> hi!
08:08:29 <I440r> didnt think anyone was awake :)
08:08:33 <onetom> capslock stucked or theres sg interesting ?
08:08:45 <gilbertbsd> capslock.
08:08:55 <gilbertbsd> I can't see the keyboard 
08:09:13 <onetom> I440r: im awake 4 4hrs
08:09:26 <onetom> gilbertbsd: is it black? :)
08:09:46 <gilbertbsd> they keyboard?
08:09:51 <gilbertbsd> the*
08:10:00 <gilbertbsd> its under the table on my lap.
08:10:15 <onetom> tought so. just joking :)
08:10:43 <gilbertbsd> its possible to do this in scheme (+ 2 43 5  6 67 6 7 )
08:10:48 <gilbertbsd> whats the forth equivalent?
08:11:41 <I440r> what does that do
08:11:56 <gilbertbsd> it adds up all the numbers
08:12:21 <onetom> there is no default 4th eqvivalent
08:12:34 <onetom> 4th doesnt handle lists
08:12:45 <gilbertbsd> ah yes ... its list handling .
08:12:47 <onetom> tho, u can easily implement sort of
08:12:48 <gilbertbsd> I forgot.
08:12:53 <I440r> 2 43 5 6 67 6 7 + + + + + +
08:12:56 <onetom> like:
08:13:04 <I440r> or...
08:13:21 <onetom> : {{ depth depth-marker ! ;
08:13:23 <I440r> you can make a word that scans from +{ 1 2 3 4 5 }
08:13:34 <I440r> that wouldnt be a very useful word tho :)
08:13:43 <onetom> : }} depth depth-marker @ - ;
08:14:14 <onetom> : map ( word-addr -- ) .... ;
08:14:26 <onetom> {{ 1  43 3 5 6 87 876 }} ' + map
08:14:28 <gilbertbsd> ah you can make a 'map'
08:16:49 <onetom> gilbertbsd: r u interested in an example definition of map?
08:16:57 <gilbertbsd> sure
08:17:22 <onetom> : map ( list... no-of-elems word2map )
08:17:43 <onetom>   swap 0 do
08:18:46 <onetom> hmmm... :)
08:18:54 <gilbertbsd> nifty 
08:20:08 <gilbertbsd> I just realised you could name words with spaces
08:20:11 <gilbertbsd> as in program 2
08:20:16 <gilbertbsd> or program 1
08:20:30 <onetom> we should make the way to the list elements clear...
08:20:43 <onetom> gilbertbsd: pardon?
08:21:08 <onetom> u could use spaces in word names!?
08:21:09 <gilbertbsd> it was a mistake
08:21:10 <gilbertbsd> :)
08:21:22 <onetom> the default text interpreter...
08:21:25 <gilbertbsd> it just ignores everything after the space.
08:21:26 <gilbertbsd> :)
08:21:32 <gilbertbsd> thats why it seems to work.
08:24:22 <onetom>   over >r >r ( elem#  R: elem# word2map )
08:24:30 <onetom>   0 do
08:24:45 <onetom>     r@ execute
08:24:48 <onetom>   loop
08:25:25 <onetom>   rdrop r> ( -- elem#   R: -- ) ;
08:25:43 <onetom> so u still have a list on the stack
08:26:36 <onetom> : map' ' map ;
08:26:37 <I440r> you cant do that
08:26:45 <onetom> {{ 1  43 3 5 6 87 876 }} map' +
08:26:49 <I440r> do puts its parameters over the top of the things you put there
08:27:03 <onetom> I440r: thats right :)
08:27:12 <onetom> it usually does :-/
08:28:05 <onetom> s/r@ execute/dup >r execute r>/
08:28:20 <onetom> s/rdrop/drop/
08:28:36 <onetom> s/>r >r/>r/
08:28:50 <onetom> is it better this way? :)
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08:34:21 <onetom> : map over >r 0 do dup >r execute r> loop drop r> ;
08:38:30 <I440r> you cant keep doing r> on the inside of a loop heh
08:38:41 <I440r> you do that in isforth and yer in big trubble :)
08:38:50 <onetom> I440r: i can
08:39:41 <I440r> do puts its parameters on a "do stack" ?
08:39:48 <onetom> no
08:39:52 <onetom> I440r: try it!
08:40:05 <onetom> its easier than explaing it :)
08:42:45 <onetom> I440r: the code is not perfect yet. hold on, im testing it
08:43:15 <onetom> try this : map over >r swap 1- 0 do dup >r execute r> loop drop r> ;
08:43:53 <onetom> 1 2 3 3 ' + map .s 3 6  ok
08:44:09 <onetom> ur isforth told that 2 me ;)
08:44:23 <I440r> oh i get it heh
08:44:34 <davidw> my friend had a good one
08:44:35 <onetom> <phew> :)
08:44:36 <I440r> nevermind ur doing a >r blah blah r> in the loop heh
08:44:50 <davidw> "forth, the only language that it's easier to write an interpreter for than write something in it"
08:44:51 <onetom> iknow :)
08:45:01 <I440r> why are you using dup >r   instead of dup>r ?
08:45:02 <onetom> davidw: lol
08:45:30 <onetom> what 4th standard defines dup>r ?
08:45:49 <onetom> anyway, its clearly an "alias" 4 dup >r
08:46:10 <I440r> who cares about what standard defines what
08:46:22 <I440r> dup>r has been in every single forth ive ever used!
08:46:25 <onetom> for example.... me?
08:46:43 <onetom> k, let me check
08:46:51 <onetom> gforth, bigforth, tile
08:47:44 <onetom> none of them knows it...
08:47:47 <onetom> no comment
08:48:10 <onetom> but anyone can c that it is a compound word
08:48:29 <onetom> its just an abbrev, like:
08:48:47 <onetom> "ithink" instead of "i think"
08:49:32 <gilbertbsd> or ideepthroat 
08:49:40 * gilbertbsd *shrugs*
08:50:02 <onetom> u hate portability a bit more paranoidly than 1 should...
08:50:28 <I440r> they arent forths :P
08:50:35 <I440r> nuff sed :)
08:51:01 <onetom> enlist me some 4thes then
08:51:43 <I440r> i believe pybmy defines it
08:51:48 <I440r> win32for probably does
08:51:50 <I440r> fpc did
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08:55:38 <onetom> stupid win/dos 4thes... :)
09:08:58 <I440r> isfoth defines it :P
09:09:07 <I440r> so foo to you :P~
09:26:09 <onetom> but while "dup >r" is granted 2 work on any system, dup>r isnt :P~~~
09:26:31 <onetom> anyway, have u already met coldforth?
09:28:44 <onetom> btw, do u use already in such a postion?
09:29:15 <onetom> or say "have u ever" or "have u met ... yet" instead?
09:30:00 <davidw> have you ever had a look at
09:30:18 <davidw> no
09:30:19 <davidw> that's not right
09:30:21 <davidw> dammit
09:30:24 <davidw> I don't speak english enough
09:30:30 <davidw> have you looked at coldforth yet?
09:30:33 <davidw> there
09:31:08 <onetom> ammm, theres notin wrong w the verb meet...
09:31:14 <onetom> it was intentional
09:31:36 <davidw> meet is for people, usually
09:31:44 <onetom> it rather means "heard about" than "look @"
09:31:54 <davidw> no it doesn't
09:31:57 <onetom> thats right: usually
09:32:39 <onetom> so its <hu>megszemelyesites</hu> ~= personalization
09:32:51 <onetom> s/its/its a/
09:34:41 <onetom> its a term from the world of literature
09:38:44 <I440r> : dup>r dup >r ;
09:41:11 <onetom> I440r: coldforth? does it ring a bell?
09:44:47 <I440r> ?
09:47:27 <onetom> http://coldforth.teegra.net/
09:48:43 <onetom> complete 4thOS for a kind of motorola architecture
09:48:58 <onetom> GPLL !!!
09:49:20 <onetom> and it also has a TCP/IP implementation written in 4th!!!
09:49:45 <I440r> cool
09:50:00 <onetom> & features a tricky source documention idea
09:50:23 <onetom> u compile the html files directly when
09:50:31 <onetom> ur compiling the OS :)
09:51:10 <onetom> u dont have to write a separate code & documentation
09:51:13 <I440r> :)
09:51:58 <onetom> how do u like it?
09:52:52 <I440r> not looked yet, im downloading opera nad thats making it impossible to brows rite now
09:54:57 <onetom> its just 1M anyway
09:55:22 <onetom> did u know opera 6 is already themable?
09:58:15 <davidw> themable shmebable... who cares about shit like that:-)
10:01:14 <onetom> some cares... tho, i usually use console based stuff in an xterm
10:01:39 <onetom> i still like colors
10:01:59 <onetom> and this themability allows me coloring opera too
10:02:42 <onetom> i also dyed my xmms (handwritten skin :)
10:02:48 <davidw> how much of coldforth is m68k?
10:03:10 <onetom> n/a
10:03:13 <davidw> I hate xmms... the thing takes up a ton of space
10:03:30 <davidw> n/a my ass... it's written for the coldfire processor
10:03:34 <onetom> havent found any data about it, but
10:04:03 <onetom> ithink not much of it is m68k specific
10:04:24 <onetom> n/a = not/available
10:04:46 <onetom> imeant, data about that ratio is n/a
10:05:12 <onetom> it was an implementation goal 2 keep asm part small
10:05:14 <onetom> parts
10:05:52 <onetom> what else do u use instead of xmms?
10:06:15 <davidw> ogg123
10:06:37 <onetom> does it allow u 2 position in files?
10:07:11 <davidw> sure
10:07:34 <onetom> imean, via the keyboard
10:08:01 <davidw> don't know... don't really care
10:08:10 <davidw> I just want something minimal, not all that bloat in xmms
10:09:58 <onetom> do u know cplay?
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10:11:35 <tathi> 'lo all
10:12:30 <onetom> tathi: http://coldforth.teegra.net/
10:12:54 <onetom> ithink ull like it ;)
10:13:55 <tathi> I'll take a look
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10:26:30 <onetom> tathi: well? how did u like it?
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10:26:52 <tathi> not sure
10:26:59 <tathi> they don't explain what it is very well :)
10:26:59 <onetom> why?
10:27:10 <onetom> huh?
10:27:19 <onetom> but they do!
10:27:31 <tathi> looks to me like they have a 68K forth system written in assembly language
10:27:33 <onetom> there r 2 articles
10:27:38 <tathi> they went out of their way to make it GPL
10:27:44 <tathi> but don't seem to provide source code anywhere
10:27:55 <onetom> lol
10:28:08 <onetom> the html pages u browse r the code itself
10:28:25 <onetom> u can compile those directly w 4th
10:28:46 <tathi> ah
10:28:49 <onetom> and its mainly written in 4th, anyway
10:28:53 <tathi> hadn't gotten that far yet
10:29:10 <onetom> http://coldforth.teegra.net/tcpippaper/tcp_ip.html
10:29:28 <onetom> it talks a bit about the systems history
10:29:48 <onetom> there is a source link on the main page
10:29:54 <onetom> what else would u like?
10:30:16 <tathi> yeah, just finished reading that
10:30:18 <onetom> it also has nice diagrams about
10:30:35 <onetom> dict, voc, task structures
10:33:56 <tathi> not bad
10:34:14 <onetom> tathi: mind the native 4th tcp/ip stack 2!!!
10:34:49 <onetom> (protocol stack, imean :)
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10:35:18 <tathi> well, sounds like they're using it for networked devices, so they kind of had to write one :)
10:42:45 <tathi> very nice
10:47:05 <onetom> yeah, ive told u in advance ;)
10:48:06 <tathi> so you did :)
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13:49:12 <onetom> herkamire: http://coldforth.teegra.net/
13:51:49 <Soap`> All I need now is a coldfire device to run it on :/
13:52:43 <onetom> Soap`: :)
13:53:03 <onetom> Soap`: u can run it in your mind ;)
13:55:23 <Soap`> I prefer not to run Forth on dodgy hardware :/
13:57:22 <onetom> so, hack a coldfire simulator ;)
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14:21:02 <rob_ert> Hi
14:21:36 <I440r> hi
14:21:42 <I440r> i relay need a job coding :(
14:21:47 <rob_ert> :-(
14:24:45 <davidw> learn java
14:25:09 <rob_ert> Learn to read.
14:25:17 <onetom> davidw: broaf ? :)
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15:04:33 <s[7]th> hiho
15:04:58 <s[7]th> where can i find some forth programming samples ?
15:06:12 <I440r> hehe
15:06:16 <I440r> google.com :)
15:06:17 <I440r> or
15:06:24 <I440r> ftp://ftp.taygeta.com
15:07:30 <onetom> hi, se7enth
15:07:51 <s[7]th> thank you ^^
15:08:02 <onetom> s[7]th: what os do u use?
15:08:10 <s[7]th> windows
15:08:17 <onetom> hmm
15:08:25 <s[7]th> why ?
15:08:26 <I440r> do you have win32 forth ?
15:08:35 <onetom> bad choice...
15:08:52 <s[7]th> yes but i didn't understand anything with win32forth
15:08:55 <onetom> probably u should try bigforth 4 win32
15:08:59 <s[7]th> i prefere gforth
15:09:16 <onetom> u can see many examples in it
15:09:31 <s[7]th> ok, i'll search it ^^
15:09:32 <onetom> what r u interested in, anyway?
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15:09:54 <Speuler> g'day
15:10:10 <onetom> taygeta is the most advisable place 4 everybody, ithink
15:12:10 <onetom> s[7]th: but if u r interested in 4th related theoretical stuff
15:12:17 <onetom> s[7]th: dont miss http://www.ultratechnology.com/people.htm !!!
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15:45:51 <onetom> nah, what has happened 2 u?
15:46:07 <s[7]th> i don't know
15:46:24 <onetom> u fell off by no reason?
15:46:40 <s[7]th> i'm affraid it's the truth ^^
15:47:15 * s[7]th : computers & their mysteries
15:47:19 <onetom> but have u got the "dont miss http://www.ultratechnology.com/people.htm !!!" msg?
15:47:40 <s[7]th> no, i writed it
15:48:03 <onetom> what did u write?
15:48:05 <s[7]th> but the site is very... compact
15:48:09 <s[7]th> the url
15:48:33 <onetom> compact, compact... but it has all the important
15:48:51 <onetom> links 2 4th related theoretical stuff
15:49:27 <onetom> it gathers most of today's biggest names of 4th
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15:50:11 <s[7]th> in fact, i've no idea of programming somehing in forth (but i've to write a lisp interpreter in forth but it's litte bit hard for a firdt step into the forth's world ^^)
15:50:16 <onetom> like chuck, jeff fox, john rible, wil baden
15:51:08 <Speuler> s[7]th: maybe lifo (lisp forth) by alexander burger may give you some inspiration
15:52:15 <onetom> hmmm, but i can find peter knaggs & ... that other chinese guy...
15:52:31 <s[7]th> in fact i'm very surprised by this project : http://jpb.forth.free.fr/Francais/encadrement.html
15:52:35 <s[7]th> os in forth
15:53:06 <Speuler> 1tom:  ting ?  wong ?
15:53:14 <s[7]th> http://jpb.forth.free.fr/Anglais/encadrement.html (for english speaker)
15:53:19 <onetom> ting ithink...
15:53:46 <Speuler> ting = offete enterprises
15:54:22 <I440r> ch ting = some guy who cant speak good english that tom zimmer got to write his dox for him hehe
15:54:31 <I440r> but he is a better FORTH coder than tz
15:54:39 <onetom> s[7]th: :) that seems a nice link, tho its in french & thats why i havent find it yet, iguess...
15:55:13 <s[7]th> onetom : http://jpb.forth.free.fr/Anglais/encadrement.html is in english
15:56:28 <onetom> s[7]th: http://coldforth.teegra.net/ or http://www.forthos.org/ or retro at tunes.org or enth/flux (a modification of chucks www.colorforth.com) r also nice forth os-es
15:56:49 <onetom> s[7]th: :) thx 4 the english link
16:00:01 <Speuler> 'night
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16:08:02 <tcn> hey all
16:11:37 <s[7]th> bye
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16:17:12 <I440r> tcn!
16:17:20 <I440r> dood this is starting to become a habit with you heh
16:17:23 <I440r> sorry - i was afk :)
16:17:29 <I440r> even I have to eat sometimes :)
16:19:24 <tcn> i had to get outta town for a while.. too fucking hot there
16:20:55 <I440r> lol
16:21:09 <I440r> u need a personal air conditioner :)
16:21:17 <I440r> to condition your personal space :)
16:22:13 <tcn> yeah, well, what's the point..
16:23:17 <tcn> heh.. you seen colorforth.com lately?
16:23:28 <I440r> nope
16:24:00 <I440r> so did you write my assembler yet or what :P
16:24:15 <I440r> you had all day yesterday to do it in:P
16:24:52 <onetom> tcn: hi. whats new on colorforth.com?
16:25:00 <tcn> why don't you just write your own assembler?
16:25:27 <I440r> cuz i dunno how :P)
16:25:59 <tcn> onetom: nothing at all :) His old web site's dated about 7/13/01 and says to use colorforth.com, and colorforth.com is dated 7/26/01
16:26:26 <onetom> tcn: :) c
16:26:27 <I440r> lol
16:27:35 <tcn> i wonder what's up with him anyways.. did he just say fuck it, or has he got health problems?
16:27:50 <I440r> chuck ?
16:27:53 <tcn> yeah
16:28:01 <I440r> he is going blind
16:28:01 <I440r> he is already legally blind
16:28:19 <tcn> so it's gotten that much worse this past year?
16:28:22 <I440r> he needs a huge screen in a 3 chrs by 4 chars mode where each char is a foot big 
16:28:29 <I440r> or something like that
16:28:36 <I440r> its getting worse all the time from what i hear
16:28:56 <tcn> i wonder if that's what happens when you stare at a computer too long
16:29:16 <I440r> lol
16:29:25 <I440r> if so how come im not blind :)
16:31:06 <tcn> do you wear glasses?
16:31:08 <onetom> I440r: ur name is not chuck :)
16:31:19 <onetom> I440r: welding glasses :)
16:31:30 <I440r> me ? no
16:31:35 <I440r> and im 38
16:31:40 <onetom> then, u should! ;)
16:31:57 <tcn> actually i have the same prescription as my dad and his mother
16:31:59 <onetom> 38-)
16:32:07 <onetom> & u say, moooo
16:32:08 <I440r> i can hit a 6 inch target with my 45 at 100 yards
16:33:53 <tcn> i hit a charging boar in the eye
16:34:39 <tcn> i can kill a game bird at 30 yards with a rock :)
16:36:54 <tcn> ok, i'm updating my web page
16:37:43 <I440r> you have a web page ?
16:37:44 <I440r> heh
16:38:02 <I440r> tcn my 45 is a handgun not a rifle
16:38:24 <tcn> what kind of sights?
16:38:53 <I440r> just normal iron sites
16:39:02 <I440r> no long eye reliefe scope or anything
16:39:09 <I440r> its a kimber classic custom 1911 45 acp
16:39:51 <tcn> the boar was with a 30-30, iron sites
16:40:47 <tcn> anyway.. good aim runs in my family
16:41:38 <I440r> :)
16:42:07 <I440r> my dad is a hell of alot better a shot than i am
16:42:16 <I440r> and he is old and has the shakes and cant see for shit
16:42:22 <I440r> i dunno how the fuck he does it heheh
16:42:48 <tcn> heh
16:44:23 <I440r> anyway get me that assembler dammit :P
16:44:29 <I440r> and fix fbsd.1 :P
16:44:31 <I440r> ohh btw
16:44:45 <I440r> i got some code you mite be interested in for your retro!
16:44:48 <I440r> hang on
16:47:01 <I440r> if i mailed you at tcn@tunes.org can u pick up from where u r at rite now ?
16:47:25 <tcn> yeah
16:49:47 <I440r> ok brb mailing someone :)
16:49:47 <I440r> heh
16:53:23 <I440r> sent
16:55:42 <I440r> theres quite a bit in there that you mite be interested in for retro
16:55:55 <I440r> btw i noticed you used .1 extensions for your files hehe
16:57:46 <tcn> yeah, since i was sharing between retro & isforth
16:57:53 <tcn> where'd you get that idea anyway?
17:00:24 <I440r> ok i use the a86 assembler
17:00:31 <I440r> a86 has some nifty features
17:00:38 <I440r> i use file.a for my main source file
17:00:47 <I440r> but in linux .a is spoken for
17:01:06 <I440r> for files that have to be manually included i use .i
17:01:29 <I440r> and for files that a86 will automatically include if you reference a label contained therein i use .s
17:01:55 <I440r> i cant use any of the above in linux. they arent appropriate
17:02:00 <I440r> so i used .1 :P
17:02:22 <I440r> i seriously considered calling my main source file isforth.a and all include files file.s
17:02:42 <I440r> i REFUSE to use file.S becuse the upper case entension is BUTT UGLY
17:03:01 <tcn> hmm.. we could get some ideas for this assembler from A86
17:03:12 <I440r> definatly could
17:03:25 <I440r> and eric isaacson lives about 20 minutes away from me :)
17:04:19 <tcn> what's >L1?
17:07:24 <I440r> its a forward branch to a local label
17:07:42 <I440r> it lets a86 (one pass assembler) know that it can assemble a short branch
17:07:51 <I440r> all local labels have to be within short range
17:08:14 <tathi> a86 rocks :)
17:08:16 <I440r> any single letter plus a single digit label is a local label
17:08:19 <I440r> i registered it
17:08:34 <I440r> you can also do
17:08:38 <I440r> L1L
17:08:40 <I440r> erm
17:08:41 <I440r> L1:
17:08:43 <I440r>  xxx
17:08:44 <I440r>  xxx
17:08:48 <I440r>   jne L1
17:08:52 <I440r>   je >L1
17:08:54 <I440r>  yyy
17:08:55 <I440r>  yyy
17:08:57 <I440r> L1:
17:08:58 <I440r>  ret
17:09:20 <I440r> but you cant cross over
17:09:23 <I440r> L1:
17:09:26 <I440r>  jne >L1
17:09:30 <I440r>  je L1
17:09:32 <I440r> L1:
17:09:35 <I440r> is not legal
17:10:45 <tcn> i see
17:10:58 <I440r> i only ever use L0 to L9
17:11:13 <I440r> if you need more local labels you need to rethink your code more:)
17:11:17 <tcn> yeah
17:11:27 <tcn> i use .0 to .9 in nasm
17:11:35 <I440r> rite
17:11:49 <I440r> but i always put .L0:
17:12:00 <I440r> the l and the : are preferable to me
17:12:01 <I440r> oh
17:12:03 <I440r> note this
17:12:12 <I440r> local labels are the only place i use upper case normally :)
17:12:29 <tcn> so where do i get A86? source?
17:12:36 <I440r> you dont lol
17:12:44 <I440r> a86 is shareware
17:12:51 <I440r> a386 (registered) is commercial
17:13:14 <tathi> one of its few downsides :(
17:13:26 <tcn> oh maybe i have it around
17:13:37 <I440r> maybe you have what arround ?
17:13:41 <tcn> a86
17:13:46 <I440r> a86 and d86 can be downloaded from www.eji.com
17:14:00 <I440r> i never pass out a386 to anyone tho
17:14:04 <I440r> its realy amazing too
17:14:16 <I440r> a386 is the only assembler ive never seen warzed
17:14:17 <I440r> ever
17:16:00 <tathi> I think the people that use it appreciate all the work he must have put into it
17:16:07 <tathi> I know I did...
17:16:16 <I440r> did u reg it?
17:16:34 <tathi> no, I didn't have the money at that point
17:16:38 <I440r> aha
17:16:44 <tathi> I was like 12 or something
17:16:46 <I440r> neither did i but i still regged it heh
17:17:03 <I440r> i think a86lib is the best thing since sliced bread
17:17:16 <tathi> yup yup
17:18:38 <I440r> i keep meaning to email eji - i moved to within 20 minues of where he lives :)
17:19:47 <tathi> cool
17:20:37 <tathi> I got so spoiled using D86 -- I really dislike debugging asm with gdb now :)
17:20:45 <I440r> lol
17:21:04 <I440r> one of the things i realy want for isforth is the ability to debug coded definitions as well as colon definitions
17:21:25 <I440r> i.e. if you single step into a coded definition it reverts to disassembling :)
17:21:32 <I440r> as opposed to decompiling
17:21:47 <I440r> i definatly want a display similar to d86
17:23:02 <tathi> that would be pretty cool
17:23:03 <tcn> i just downloaded it :)
17:23:47 <I440r> d86 is all in blue and i got used to that - i didnt like d386 at first. its all in red heh
17:24:35 <tathi> weird
17:24:51 <tathi> wonder why he made it different?
17:25:17 <I440r> so you could tell which one you are in
17:25:21 <I440r> is my guess
17:27:06 <tathi> do you still need d86 if you have d386?
17:27:13 <I440r> not realy
17:27:39 <I440r> tcn u looked at those sources i sent u ?
17:28:00 <I440r> look at the way i calculate screen address based on x/y coordinates of the cursor :)
17:28:20 <I440r> use y as an index into a byte table
17:28:29 <I440r> mov ax,[y]
17:28:36 <I440r>  mov bx,xlat-table
17:28:37 <I440r>  xlat
17:28:42 <I440r>  shl ax,5
17:29:03 <I440r> that leaves the offset from the start of the videp segment to the start of the yth line :)
17:29:08 <I440r> then i just add in 2*x :)
17:29:27 <I440r> and the strout function does tokenised string output 
17:29:29 <tcn> heh
17:29:52 <tcn> tokenized?
17:29:57 <I440r> yes
17:30:01 <I440r> you can have a string
17:30:04 <I440r> string1:
17:30:11 <I440r>  'and',0
17:30:27 <I440r> now you can embed a token for that string in some other string
17:30:35 <I440r> i.e. you can nest strings inside other strings
17:30:51 <tcn> cool :)
17:30:53 <I440r> you can even tokenize strings that have tokenised strings within them
17:31:29 <I440r> strings can contain x/y cursor positioning info, forground and background colour info
17:31:38 <I440r> all kinds of stuff
17:31:48 <I440r> and the code isnt very complex either
17:31:53 <I440r> very simple actually
17:32:36 <tcn> yeah, since it's asm and the strings don't move around
17:33:24 <I440r> heh
17:33:36 <tcn> so anyway it's like a terminal emulator
17:33:47 <I440r> not quite - but close :)
17:34:29 <I440r> oh - i also sent you my vga code - mode $12 AND $13
17:34:44 <I440r> line drawing, pixle writes etc - 
17:35:04 <I440r> my line drawing in mode $12 is almost guaranteed to be the fastest possible
17:35:14 <I440r> i doubt anyone ever wrote anything faster
17:35:26 <tcn> what's mode $12 again?
17:35:40 <I440r> 640x480x16
17:35:44 <I440r> planar
17:35:55 <I440r> to write a pixle you have to set the set-reset register
17:36:01 <I440r> the map mask register
17:36:01 <tcn> i wrote some 640x480 B&W stuff :)
17:36:08 <I440r> and do a dummy read followed by a dummy write
17:36:17 <tathi> fun stuff :)
17:36:31 <I440r> ya
17:36:32 <tcn> yeah, graphics is cool
17:36:45 <I440r> my mode x and mode 13 code is int ehre too
17:36:55 <I440r> and my line clipping code :)
17:37:12 <I440r> i didnt get round to writing the real 3d shit tho
17:37:22 <I440r> so you cant do teture mapping or any of that :P
17:37:24 <I440r> too lazy
17:37:47 <tcn> 3D is too much work anyway
17:38:04 <I440r> nah
17:38:17 <tcn> to make up all the models & textures and crap??
17:38:19 <I440r> i wrote a 3d rotating dots windowmaker dockapp heh
17:38:34 <I440r> it would have been fun but i was too lazy :P
17:38:40 <I440r> and maff isnt my strong suit heh
17:38:48 <tcn> what's maff?
17:38:55 <tcn> oh
17:39:10 <I440r> lol
17:39:18 <I440r> thats what i keep saying too
17:43:28 <I440r> ive worked on everything from long wall coal mining roof suport system to bios level plug and play inti
17:43:48 <I440r> doppler nav on apache helecopter and air speed indicator of the U2 spy plane
17:44:01 <I440r> grr mischan
17:44:14 <tcn> no wonder it crashes so much
17:44:26 <tcn> ;)
17:44:39 <I440r> lol
17:44:45 <I440r> stick actuator error
17:55:39 <I440r> anyway tcn if we keep talking machine tools in tunes water will get ansi :)
18:26:00 <I440r> has anyone here seen joa actually say anything ?
18:26:03 <I440r> heh
18:26:14 --- nick: MrGone -> MrReach
18:26:14 <joa> yes
18:26:47 <I440r> wow!
18:26:48 <I440r> lol
18:26:48 <joa> but I bet no one's seen ChanServ say anything :)
18:27:00 <joa> gotta go eat though.  later heh
18:27:03 <I440r> actually i was beginning to think YOU were a bot too :)
18:27:18 <I440r> not that thas a problem or anything heh
18:28:12 <MrReach> heh
18:28:25 <I440r> hi mrreach :)
18:28:30 <MrReach> hihi
18:28:33 <I440r> :)
18:29:21 <I440r> eep i just found a unix embedded job related to aircraft fire systems (as in weapons) and it requires knowledge of PVCS
18:29:35 <I440r> note - not rcs, not cvs - but PVCS!!!!
18:29:36 <I440r> lol
18:29:37 <MrReach> what is PVCS?
18:29:47 <I440r> its polytron version control system
18:29:51 <I440r> its crap
18:29:54 <MrReach> heh
18:29:58 <tathi> grrr, bloody PowerPC caches...
18:30:07 <I440r> they sent joy mining macheneery an update cd and it woudnt install
18:30:09 <MrReach> that's one advantage of block editors
18:30:16 <I440r> so we fond up the tech rep and he asked for the number on the cd
18:30:25 <MrReach> it's easier to build version tools
18:30:30 <I440r> we gave it to him and it wasnt in his databse of released versions
18:30:46 <I440r> they write a version control system and they cant even keep track of their own versions of it 
18:30:48 <I440r> lol
18:30:51 <MrReach> hacked version w/ trojan?
18:31:03 <I440r> no. it was mailed to us directly from them
18:31:11 <MrReach> sent by disgruntled employee?
18:31:15 <I440r> nope
18:31:24 <MrReach> just a bonehead mistake?
18:31:29 <I440r> it was a prepaid update
18:31:31 <tcn> typical for military/commercial software
18:31:31 <I440r> yes
18:31:36 <I440r> definatly a bonehead mistake
18:31:39 <tcn> it's all crap
18:31:54 <MrReach> heh, tcn, you're always *SO* cheery
18:31:59 <tcn> hahaha
18:31:59 <I440r> hehe
18:32:50 <tcn> listen, we have this lousy inventory/manufacturing/accounting database at work.. this is what you get when you need something more specialized than a word processor
18:33:14 <MrReach> erm ... that wouldn't be Atrex, would it?
18:33:24 <tcn> nope
18:33:34 <MrReach> good, that's what I spent today learning
18:40:17 <tcn> shit
18:40:30 <tcn> enough of this for one night.. see ya
18:40:51 <I440r> nite
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18:40:57 <I440r> fix fbsd.1 :)
18:41:03 <I440r> doh he left too fast :)
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20:24:23 <I440r> oh no!
20:24:27 <I440r> two of him!
20:24:29 <I440r> panic!
20:24:30 <I440r> heh
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20:44:11 <I440r> :)
21:07:36 <I440r> clog - listen up!
21:08:16 <I440r> ...for example, the ANSI Forth standard doe not describe Forth, but a language with the same name
21:08:21 <I440r>     -- Chuck Moore
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23:46:55 <futhin> hello
23:46:56 <futhin> anybody alive
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