00:00:00 --- log: started forth/02.04.03 00:17:06 --- join: davidw (~davidw@ppp-180-6.25-151.libero.it) joined #forth 02:46:09 --- join: rob_ert (~robert@h237n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #forth 05:36:28 --- quit: ChanServ (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:36:40 --- join: ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) joined #forth 05:36:40 --- mode: carter.openprojects.net set +o ChanServ 06:19:35 --- join: tathi (~tathi@wsip68-15-54-54.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 06:25:28 --- join: herkamire (~jason@wsip68-15-54-54.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 07:04:24 hi 07:07:11 heya 07:13:31 hello :) 07:14:01 :) 07:14:12 how life, u 2? 07:14:24 what r u working on? 07:14:36 s/how/hows/ 07:14:53 things going pretty well 07:15:28 think I got my forth to the point where I can actually start writing code for it :) 07:16:21 code ?for? it? 07:16:29 not *in* it? 07:16:52 yeah, in, sorry 07:16:59 how does branch and ?branch work? 07:17:25 so u have a text interpreter working 07:17:40 and u also have a basic text display, then 07:17:54 davidw: why do u wanna know? 07:18:18 because I am curious 07:18:29 they aren't documented in the gforth manual 07:18:55 well, actually I don't have a text interpreter yet, the huffman-encoder code is still external 07:18:55 for it :) you tathi's forth isn't interactive yet 07:19:33 was planning on writing that today. But I can write it in forth, so that's good :) 07:19:36 [01:20] branch simply does an ip += *(ip+cell) 07:19:58 [01:22] ?branch does an (*(sp++) == 0 ? ip += *(ip+cell) : ip += 2*cell) 07:20:38 tathi: what do u mean by external? native? 07:21:17 meaning I have an emacs colorforth mode that herk wrote, and a quick c program to encode it so the interpreter can read it 07:21:44 ahha 07:25:18 the input side of things so far is really just a quick hack so I could finish debugging the basic forth engine 07:36:08 I like the channel log :) 07:36:19 how do you get 'ip 09:07:39 ip is the address where you are executing right? (instruction pointer?) 09:45:17 --- quit: davidw (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:35:13 --- join: davidw (~davidw@ppp-86-6.25-151.libero.it) joined #forth 10:35:49 :) 10:43:40 hi rob_ert, hi davidw 10:44:42 Hello there, 1tom. 11:14:37 hi 13:43:45 --- join: MrReach (~mrreach@209.181.43.190) joined #forth 13:53:00 Hihi, MrReach :) 13:53:06 hihi 14:02:27 --- join: Etaoin (~david@ljk23.sat.net) joined #forth 14:06:08 --- quit: herkamire ("Client Exiting") 14:06:19 --- quit: tathi ("Client Exiting") 14:15:24 --- join: Speuler (Speuler@195.30.184.4) joined #forth 14:15:30 g'day 14:15:37 hihi 14:15:41 hi 14:16:16 * Speuler is flabbergasted by the boiling activity here 14:16:43 how goes ? 14:16:46 we have 2 work some time... 14:16:47 sorry its so hard to keep up with @:^> 14:17:28 at least the lines don't scroll quicker than ne1 can read 14:17:44 like in #debian :) 14:17:49 :) 14:17:55 I don't know about that ... I've met some pretty illiterate people 14:18:09 looking at the images in irc ? 14:18:27 huh? 14:18:45 illiterate with a book means, looking at the pictures. 14:18:47 images? where? where? ;) 14:18:56 ah! ok 14:19:09 microsoft chat client has those cartoonish characters 14:19:12 heh, I'm not illiterate ... I'm just dumb 14:19:22 that client may be illiterate enabled 14:19:24 blah ... hate that damn thing 14:20:01 it's *ALMOST* RFC1439, but not close enough for eggdrop and other bots to work with it 14:20:41 probably as rfc as ms is willing or able to get 14:20:59 heh, that's about the truth of it 14:21:14 anyone ever used cups to serve a network printer ? 14:21:27 yes, using it now, I think 14:21:39 do you like it ? was it easy to set up ? 14:21:44 MrReach: do u have mandrake, then? 14:21:59 * Speuler considers putting cups on the server 14:22:14 * Speuler never config'd a printer under linux ... 14:22:57 what is the exact name of the printer u wanna serve? 14:23:07 a brother HL1270 14:23:14 laser 14:23:19 yuck :) 14:23:22 kind'f oldish 14:23:29 not an everyday 1 14:23:57 what linux distro do u have? 14:23:57 has a dhcp client on board, and a nic 14:24:01 debian 14:24:25 khm, u mean, it has a builtin netserver interface? 14:24:36 ah yes, web interface too 14:24:41 can do setup with a web browser 14:24:50 coz its a completely different story, then 14:25:09 what do u know about its compatibility? 14:25:12 don't know though what protocols it supports 14:25:27 what printer langs does it recognize? 14:25:28 well yes. it prints black-on-white :) 14:25:32 no idea 14:25:40 gotta find out i guess 14:25:57 personally, ive a lexmark 1 14:25:59 not really 14:26:16 but it required a custom program for printing 14:26:16 it's _probably_ got a printer definition file in the distro 14:26:42 and it has set the printcap entry up 4 me 14:27:01 frankly, I always print FROM Windows ... THROUGH the cups server 14:27:32 so it's actually my windows machine that needs to know what printer is attached and use the correct drivers 14:27:44 MrReach: hehe, that doesnt count... a simple netcat could also do such a job 14:28:03 it doesnt requre much printer server :) 14:28:15 not really, I can also send postscript to the printer, and cups directs it through ghostscript for me 14:28:28 i thought you could throw about anything at a unix printer server, and it converts it to the raw printer file, device specific ? 14:28:49 yes, if the filters are set up properly 14:29:02 (save some unsupported ms formats, maybe) 14:29:33 MrReach: how do u send postscript 2 the printer from windowS? 14:29:33 ah. good 14:30:17 I make an alias in the printers folder ... and tell it that the printer is an apple printer that understands postscript 14:30:34 (even though it isn't and doesn't) 14:30:43 alias? what windoze do u use? 14:31:22 the only problem I've ever had with cups is that it is difficult (impossible?) to delete print jobs from the que ... especially if they're already started 14:31:32 onetom: I use windows 98 14:31:48 and yes, the server run Linux-Mandrake 14:31:56 there is no such capability named alias in it... 14:32:10 nonono, that's my personal terminology 14:32:29 and the same deletition problem persist w the lpr system 14:32:32 which is to say that it's the same device with quite different characteristics 14:32:35 hehe, thought so 14:33:25 yes, I figured the deletion prob was with the underlying que system, not the cups package itself 14:33:25 so, what is the output device of the 2 windows printers/printQs actually? 14:33:44 \\server\what? 14:34:13 the printer (output device) is a Samsung ML-1210 14:34:20 (about a month old now) 14:35:01 no, u dont understand me. what output port ahve u specified for the two queues? 14:35:38 it resides on the network at \\squid\laser 14:36:08 at present, I'm only using the samsung driver 14:36:23 I haven't had to print any ps since I bought it 14:37:16 but the printer Q w the ps driver also points 2 \\squid\laser? 14:37:32 incidently, when I print ps, I put the file on the server (all my files are anyway), and use the command line to cat it to the print que 14:37:41 yes, it does 14:37:59 cups KNOWS that the device is a Samnsung 14:38:38 so when cups recognises a ps file, it routes it to ghostscript, and then dumps ghostscripts output into the printer que 14:38:50 no intervention needed on my part 14:39:27 yes, there's a HL1270 driver 14:40:01 I'm *REALLY* happy with that Samsung ML-1210, it's the best $200 printer I've seen, hands down 14:40:10 Speuler: but does it support netconnection 2 it? not only parallel or serial? 14:40:19 no idea 14:40:22 Samsung actually sent cups print drivers on the install CD 14:40:45 and gave instructions about how to do a Redhat install 14:40:52 aaaaha, its EZ that way :) 14:41:00 including a specialized version of ghostscript 14:41:26 at least the testpage doesn't get there 14:42:04 onetom: he said earlier that the printer had built-in dhcp client and a network card 14:42:38 probably i specified a wrong uri 14:43:06 guess i'll try to figure that out 2morrow 14:43:43 well, time for me to go, lunch is over 14:43:46 getting late already 14:43:48 --- nick: MrReach -> MrGone 14:43:48 Speuler: does the printer have static ip? 14:43:52 no 14:44:19 but it gets an ip adress from the dhcp server which serves the diskless workstations too 14:44:24 thats sad. what name services does it support then? 14:44:35 i gave it a fixed ip address 14:44:54 nah, ihoped so :) 14:44:56 based on its mac address 14:45:01 ah, c 14:45:05 aha, c 14:45:40 but of course i like to have it do more than only requesting ip addresses :) 14:45:59 :))) 14:46:01 such as, printing 14:46:08 it consumes electricity 14:46:24 holds the door open/closed 14:46:28 so does your brain :) 14:46:31 how could u use it from windows? 14:46:42 me ? 14:46:58 yup 14:47:04 there is no bluddy windows machine anywhere around 14:47:17 lucky u :) 14:47:21 agree 14:47:31 --- nick: MrGone -> MrReach 14:47:42 it just occured to me to mention ... 14:47:42 i tend to get headache from windows 14:47:53 well, i dont know much about non-samba based network printing 14:47:56 at least i believe i would 14:48:05 that I have a "friend" who wants me to buy his computer store ... dirt cheap 14:48:28 the only experience i have w nonsmb net printer is that lexmark 1, but it has a custom solution 14:48:35 the premises, or the stock ? 14:49:05 all of it, building lease, stock, customer base, business name and licences 14:49:26 as REA, that's in your line 14:49:34 partly 14:49:47 well, not really 14:50:03 but I'm hella good with computers, and I can't seem to escape them 14:50:33 but, selling doesn't sound like the most desirable thing to do for a developer 14:50:55 begt parden? 14:51:08 computer sales people do have the reputation of not knowing much about their marchandise 14:51:12 I'm not a real estate developer (yet) 14:51:21 --- join: I440r (~mark4@1Cust151.tnt1.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #forth 14:51:24 neither am I an REA (an agent) 14:51:28 hihi, I440r 14:51:44 ! 14:51:56 hi 14:52:00 pub closing ... 14:52:03 hi i440r 14:52:07 good night too 14:52:07 Speuler: oh, IC 14:52:12 be well, Speuler 14:52:13 MrReach: computer market is a boring area. and it makes u bald headed... 14:52:23 Hi I440r :) 14:52:24 well, I might open an internet cafe here in Spokane 14:52:28 hi I440r 14:52:33 --- quit: Speuler ("ircII EPIC4-1.1.2 -- Are we there yet?") 14:52:42 onetom: tell me about it, I've been doing it for 20 years 14:52:50 lolll 14:53:12 just as we 14:53:16 I was trying to get *OUT* of the computer biz, but opportunities keep landing on me 14:53:51 but in the latest ~3yrs we reduced the volumen of it 14:54:01 an we r doing development instead 14:54:02 * MrReach nods. 14:54:07 sw+hw development 14:54:43 anyway, gotta go ... 14:54:54 supposed to be leaving for a week's camping 14:55:02 sounds like fun 14:55:04 bye 14:55:12 my wife is standing there glaring at me because I'm chattting on IRC 14:55:19 loll 14:55:25 --- nick: MrReach -> MrGone 14:55:30 i send kisses 2 her ;) 14:55:49 is there a command to drop everything on the stack? 14:55:56 lolll 14:56:19 davidw: why do u want 2 do such an awful operation? 14:56:39 because. 14:56:43 :)) 14:57:12 i hope u dont wanna do it from inside the definition of a word... 14:57:19 yes 14:57:26 I fill the stack full of random crap 14:57:31 I want to then throw it away 14:57:43 actually, what I really need to do is toss all of it but one thing 14:57:47 restart 4th then 14:57:54 nope, not an option 14:58:35 its a very strange request, uknow 14:58:55 probably u can manipulate the stackpointer manually but... 14:59:18 i feel, u r tryin 2 do sg in a very irregular manner... 15:00:58 this question is similar 2 how can release the dynamicly allocated memory for all objects what belongs 2 a scpecific class 15:01:08 no, here's the deal 15:01:11 s/can/can i/ 15:01:16 I fill the stack with a random number of objects 15:01:20 I want to then erase them 15:01:22 how 15:01:40 forth is flexible enough to do it... but there isn't a built in command? 15:01:54 --- join: njdohc (junk@njd.paradise.net.nz) joined #forth 15:01:57 count them while generating, and drop them afterwards 15:02:32 nope, no can do 15:02:41 at least not easily 15:02:43 probably u can look 4 the stackpointer of ur implementation 15:02:49 and set it manually 15:03:04 there is a word named "depth" 15:03:14 u could also use it 15:03:16 like: 15:03:54 depth stk-marker ! generate-crap depth stk-marker @ do drop loop 15:04:10 sp0 @ sp! 15:04:30 in your implementation, sure.. 15:04:32 yeah, depth is what I need 15:05:33 im afraid, redesigning the solution of ur problem is what u need infact... 15:06:11 sp0 @ sp! 15:06:21 sp0 @ sp! 15:06:29 that dumps everything from the parameter stack 15:06:37 well duh 15:08:08 njdohc: hi. who r u? 15:08:59 Hi njdohc :) 15:09:04 hi 15:09:05 lol 15:09:06 an oldtimer havent been seen 4 a long time or 15:09:26 or probably not :) 15:17:48 --- quit: njdohc () 15:23:03 rob_ert: who was he? 15:23:19 or she? 15:24:19 How could I know? 15:25:21 :)) just hoped u know him 15:26:11 Heh, nope. 15:26:41 And by the way, I think #forth is the typical example of a men-only channel here ;-) 15:27:28 never could b so sure of it... 15:31:32 Nope. 15:31:37 Just a guess :) 15:31:53 The more geekish something is, the fewer women are involved, for some reason. 16:21:17 --- join: Fare (fare@samaris.tunes.org) joined #forth 16:24:43 hi fare! 16:32:28 Fare :) 16:36:44 :) 16:56:58 --- join: ult (~masantor@br20601.csc.tntech.edu) joined #forth 16:57:21 hi 16:57:27 hi 16:57:53 hi 16:58:27 ult!!! 16:58:32 dood! 16:58:38 where u been :P 16:58:42 working 16:58:44 i am takin a break 16:58:48 i got a big test tomorrow... 16:58:49 now all we need is for TCN ti show up :P 16:58:55 working on what ? 16:58:57 for who ? 16:59:00 gimme a job! 16:59:01 lame computer science stuff -- school 16:59:11 doh 16:59:26 i gotta learn automatic reasoning, finite automata, and proofs 16:59:28 in a couple of hours 17:00:04 lol! 17:00:26 yeah 17:00:34 and i've got an assembly program due friday but i'm going to south carolina 17:01:58 what asm ? hehe 17:02:04 pay me to write it for you :) 17:02:07 $826459826459284 :) 17:03:50 grrr how do i get mozilla bookmarks into opera! 17:03:59 i need my personal toolbar grrr 17:04:05 you don't 17:04:06 you use galeon 17:04:39 what kinda retarded fool would use opera? 17:05:04 galeon is worse than mozilla and netscape 17:05:22 Try Konqueror 17:05:29 i downloaded the freebie because netscape and mozilla are so fucking fucked up and crappy they arent worth using 17:05:34 thats for kde right >? 17:05:36 fuck that 17:05:44 or w3m 17:05:46 download 289459824587236598234985629785472 gigs of bullshit libs 17:06:04 or mozilla 17:06:11 apt-get install konqueror and be done with it 17:06:11 mozilla ain't bad 17:06:14 :) 17:06:15 0.9.8 > 0.9.9 17:06:19 mozilla is a PILE OF SHIT 17:06:22 period 17:06:27 apt-get install w3mmee-ssl 17:06:39 ult: is it that bad? 17:06:50 konqueror is going to want to grab 50 gigs of bullshit bloated libs that i dont want on my laptop 17:06:52 Fare: My only real complaint is that it crashes. Often. Very often. 17:07:10 oh, laptop. 17:08:22 i dont want any kde libs or gnome libs or any other super bloated fucked up shit :P 17:08:27 hum. w3mmee-ssl definitely rocks. 17:08:27 otherwise, netscape 3 is nice. 17:08:27 and for the pages that really need it, I'd use galeon or konqueror 17:08:27 (or netscape 4) 17:08:34 * Fare modified netscape 3 into n3tscape, so as to avoid clashes with netscape 4 17:08:36 i love linux - but sometimes it realy fucking pisses me off 17:08:50 I440r: install retro :) 17:10:38 have you tried rickh's linux distro? 17:10:45 cLIeNUX 17:10:55 no 17:11:14 ill never switch from debian now 17:11:18 anyway, how much hard disk do you have on your laptop? 17:11:45 total of 6 gig dribe. 2 gigs for linux - 67% full 17:11:53 er no 17:11:57 89% full 17:12:07 428416 free 17:12:19 moving /usr/doc and similar to a disk on NFS on a server at home might help manage your laptop with the normal tools of a distro like debian, while still keep lots of free space on the laptop 17:12:51 er and that helps me how when im on the road ? 17:12:52 heh 17:13:04 i reference usr/doc ALOT heh 17:13:17 I440r: /usr/doc isn't indispensable when on the road 17:14:29 the few parts of it that I need, I mirror 17:14:38 and they are really not much 17:14:47 on the other hand, I do keep /usr/man on the road 17:14:56 :) 17:15:20 also, sometimes I login to home to consult /usr/doc 17:15:27 or ask google 17:15:36 gotta go. 17:15:41 nice to meet you. 17:15:58 Byebye then. 17:16:01 btw, the british police/justice system is at least as fucked up as the french one. 17:16:35 bye! 17:16:43 --- quit: Fare ("Connection reset by pear") 17:17:53 actually the brittish legal system is one of the MOST fucked up there is 17:18:09 kill the frenchers 17:26:22 --- quit: ult ("ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet?") 17:26:47 He's refering to Nirvana, isn't he? :) 17:29:41 --- quit: rob_ert ("(:") 17:55:45 --- join: njd (junk@njd.paradise.net.nz) joined #forth 17:57:06 njd install debian 17:57:11 or ill ban you from here :) 17:57:26 heh 17:57:30 i had it 17:57:34 got rid of it 17:57:35 haha 17:57:50 i might cept there are these files i need on my current linux install 17:58:10 rm -rf / !!!! 17:58:10 i440r do you know of loadlin.exe ? have you ever played with that 17:58:11 heh 17:58:14 your mum 17:58:43 i know what it is 17:58:47 i dont use it 17:58:50 well like i did that to get into linux 17:58:52 lilo ownz 17:58:52 and it worked 17:59:03 but it wouldnt mount my windows drive and not even a fucking floppy 17:59:11 'type msdos is not supported by this kernel' 17:59:14 piece of crap 17:59:22 lol 17:59:28 try modprobe vfat 17:59:35 vfat wasnt supported as well 17:59:50 What version of debian was this? 17:59:53 ill try now 17:59:54 hold 18:00:13 redhat :) 18:00:17 he isnt running debian 18:00:25 he is lame 18:00:25 he is using redhat :P 18:00:29 i440r the only reason i wasnt using debian 18:00:41 cause i was too lazy to recompile my kernel to support my network cards 18:00:43 hehe 18:00:53 i got a new soundcard which works in linux now 18:01:19 Oh. 18:01:21 what card 18:01:28 vibra 128 18:01:30 creative 18:01:34 ugh 18:01:36 :P 18:01:37 it works 18:01:39 its all good 18:01:56 the vibra16 is the absolute WORST fucking sound device ever made 18:02:07 totally NOT compliant with the PNP standard 18:02:14 its not vibra16 you bitch 18:02:32 my pnp code for bally gaming can isolate 6 identical cards in one machine 18:02:40 intels code can detect only 2 of them 18:02:59 i my code was totoally incapable of detecting any vibra16 chip 18:03:09 i could detect ANY isa PNP device 18:03:14 except the vibra16 18:03:16 isa 18:03:19 get with the times 18:03:20 pci 18:03:20 heh 18:03:30 i refuse to ever buy any creative labs product ever again 18:03:32 i440r im gonig into linux now 18:03:35 and ill try your modprobe 18:03:38 good :P 18:03:39 stay there 18:03:41