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Read "Thinking Forth" by Leo Brodie and maximize the quality of your code.' by ChanServ 04:53:48 --- join: SoapSleep (flop@210-86-38-78.dialup.xtra.co.nz) joined #forth 04:55:24 --- join: rob_ert (~robert@h173n2fls33o898.telia.com) joined #forth 04:55:58 --- quit: rob_ert (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:55:58 --- quit: onetom (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:56:16 --- join: rob__ert (~robert@217.208.118.173) joined #forth 04:56:29 --- join: onetom (tom@adsl52070.vnet.hu) joined #forth 04:57:29 --- nick: rob__ert -> rob_ert 04:57:32 --- quit: rob_ert (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: rob_ert!~robert@217.208.118.173))) 04:58:40 --- join: rob_ert (~robert@h173n2fls33o898.telia.com) joined #forth 04:59:01 --- quit: onetom (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:59:46 --- join: onetom (tom@adsl52070.vnet.hu) joined #forth 04:59:48 --- quit: rob_ert (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:00:28 --- join: rob_ert (~robert@h173n2fls33o898.telia.com) joined #forth 05:01:25 --- quit: onetom (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:01:49 --- join: onetom (tom@adsl52070.vnet.hu) joined #forth 05:20:33 --- log: started forth/02.03.21 05:20:33 --- join: clog (nef@bespin.org) joined #forth 05:20:33 --- topic: 'Forth is a programming language, an operating system, an interactive environment, and a philosophy. Read "Thinking Forth" by Leo Brodie and maximize the quality of your code.' 05:20:33 --- topic: set by ChanServ on [Thu Mar 21 04:53:48 2002] 05:20:33 --- names: list (clog SoapSleep rob_ert onetom @ChanServ) 05:45:17 --- quit: rob_ert ("...") 05:49:20 --- join: rob_ert (~robert@h173n2fls33o898.telia.com) joined #forth 05:59:06 --- join: Speuler (~l@195.30.184.51) joined #forth 05:59:35 Hey. 06:04:08 --- log: started forth/02.03.21 06:04:08 --- join: clog (nef@bespin.org) joined #forth 06:04:08 --- topic: 'Forth is a programming language, an operating system, an interactive environment, and a philosophy. Read "Thinking Forth" by Leo Brodie and maximize the quality of your code.' 06:04:08 --- topic: set by ChanServ on [Thu Mar 21 04:53:48 2002] 06:04:08 --- names: list (clog SoapSleep onetom rob_ert Speuler @ChanServ) 06:19:29 --- join: Fare (fare@samaris.tunes.org) joined #forth 06:46:09 g'd morning 06:59:18 --- part: Speuler left #forth 07:52:26 hi, everybody! 07:58:07 Hej támas :D 08:04:40 oh :) 08:05:40 it was very close to a real hungarian and grammatically correct sentence 08:06:11 we say hé or héj 08:08:36 --- quit: Fare ("Connection reset by pear") 08:40:50 --- join: futhin (~thin@h24-64-174-2.cg.shawcable.net) joined #forth 08:41:13 Delta Forth is a non-standard Forth dialect. The traditional compreter (compiler - interpreter) approach of other implementations did not appeal when the Delta dialect was designed since computers evolved enormously since the original Forth specification was written. Instead, we deal with compiled programs and thus several original Forth words - mainly related to chained execution - have lost their meaning (see STATE, COMPILE, IMMEDIATE, etc.). 08:41:50 isn't that hilarious?! 08:41:59 no IMMEDIATE 08:42:03 heh 08:42:33 how the hell are you gonna make your own compiler defining words like IF ELSE THEN 08:47:21 Delta Forth is for .NET 08:51:51 ooh, the guy who coded Delta Forth has a very cute wife :) 08:53:16 --- join: Speuler (~l@195.30.184.51) joined #forth 08:54:10 good morning speuler 08:54:50 hm, i wonder how i can code ACCEPT 08:54:57 on FPC 08:55:47 possibly using EXPECT 08:55:52 hoi futh 08:55:53 in 08:56:08 accept: addr -- n 08:56:24 expect: n -- addr ( i think ) 08:57:42 : accept maxchars expect here count >r swap r@ move r> ; something like that 08:58:21 accept: addr n -- n 08:58:45 : accept expect here count >r swap r@ move r> ; something like that 08:59:18 expect: n -- ( i think ) 09:00:16 no, it's expect: addr n -- 09:00:25 and accept: addr n1 -- n2 09:00:35 n2 being how long the string actually is 09:00:44 the string the person typed in 09:01:10 hm 09:01:23 i thought expect places string always at here 09:01:36 thus no addr argument to expect 09:01:59 um, dunno.. the ans spec says it's addr n 09:02:03 but it might be different for f-pc ? 09:02:08 f-pc ain't ans 09:03:45 what addr do i give accept? 09:04:00 nevermind, i'll give it a variable addr 09:04:21 : accept expect span @ ; 09:04:27 lol, crashed f-pc 09:05:05 ugh 09:05:10 --- join: Stepan (~stepan@Charybdis.suse.de) joined #forth 09:05:11 address of a variable ? that's just a single cell, if you don't allot extra mem 09:05:18 not much space for long string 09:05:18 huhu :) 09:05:21 put it at PAD 09:05:31 or create foo maxstring allot 09:05:33 hi stepan 09:05:58 nope 09:06:01 it's crashing f-pc 09:06:08 all 3 variations of accept 09:06:11 dudes, i saw some forth programs use dots in their numbers... is that ANS defined? (like 10.000 == 10000) 09:07:01 hi 09:07:04 stepan: it creates double cell i think 09:07:17 howdy onetom 09:07:24 works with gforth, expect that when trying to enter more char than max len. 09:07:37 accept refuses to accept more chars, expect returns 09:07:40 gforth already has accept :P 09:07:46 that was 09:07:49 : accept expect span @ ; 09:07:58 i called it pad 10 accept 09:08:04 (actually nammed it acc ) 09:08:08 (actually named it acc ) 09:08:43 Stepan: number with dots are double-len nums 09:08:46 ok, cool 09:08:49 output them with d. 09:09:07 speuler: why so much code for gforth's accept then ? SEE ACCEPT 09:09:11 get the dot position with dpl @ 09:09:36 futhin: im processing the log. i saw there were nice topics this early morning 09:09:52 ah i see 09:10:50 futhin: i also have to code an accept, but it gets its input from external keyboards 09:11:21 onetom: what's the difference ? 09:11:26 nice topics ? 09:11:33 Stepan: "dot position" = number of digits right of dot 09:11:33 everybody left the channel or something 09:11:36 so chanserv changed the topic 09:11:45 it was automatic.. 09:12:09 Stepan: hi! ive almost read through that ddj article. 09:12:22 onetom: was it useful to you? 09:12:25 Stepan: its a very useful 1 09:12:35 the multitasking forth article ? 09:12:37 Speuler, futhin: cool.. thanks... 09:12:40 you managed to get a copy ? 09:12:44 futhin: yup 09:12:57 futhin: khm... yes ;) 09:13:01 in electronic form ? 09:13:17 futhin: need it? ;) I can fax it to you ;)) 09:13:45 can you email it ? 09:13:51 futhin: i can 09:13:57 i dont have a scanner.. 09:14:03 me have 1 09:14:16 my dad's fax is a scanner, printer, and fax all in one 09:14:27 but only takes in one paper 09:14:34 can't fit a book in it to scan :( 09:14:35 heh 09:15:11 speuler: why does gforth ACCEPT have so much code ? 09:15:13 well well... not the best choice 09:15:52 well it's old, and my dad doesn't need to scan books like i do :P 09:15:55 futhin: imeant themes by topics 09:16:10 about the assembler 09:16:14 uml 09:16:15 futhin: ain't much code with the version i got here . 09:16:17 0.5 09:16:22 and the like 09:16:26 onetom: ah 09:16:30 main work done in begin key decode until 09:17:03 speuler: there's 6 lines of code in the accept.. is gforth's accept code better than : accept expect span @ ; ? :) 09:17:21 futhin: the diff is not much between reading from the standard keyb or and "external" 1 i guess 09:17:35 onetom: yeah i said something about uml.. 09:17:41 accept doesn't require span. 09:18:00 ? 09:18:01 and, if you code accept with expect, having the input work done there, 09:18:10 of course you'd have to look at code of expect 09:18:17 futhin: but still have to reimplement it, coz i cant replace the KEY/KEY? in it 09:18:18 expect is considered obsolete 09:18:57 futhin: (how nice tool is the virtual method in oop envs...) 09:19:03 I'm off... getting an oven in 40mins finally 09:19:21 me to 09:19:22 oven? 09:19:29 getting something made by an oven in less time :) 09:20:01 onetom: cooker/hearth even 09:20:02 ah, lunch time... 09:20:10 spinache lasagne 09:20:13 including an oven 09:20:31 so i'm going to cook at home after almost 3 months again ;) 09:20:33 --- quit: Stepan ("Do you think it is air you are breathing? Hmm?") 09:20:48 l8er 09:20:58 --- nick: Speuler -> PhoodPhrenzy 09:22:33 onetom: what did i say about uml? i forget :P 09:22:49 hm, be quick or i'll read the logs! :P 09:22:50 me too :) 09:23:02 it was very early morning when i read it 09:23:26 im still tired, anyway 09:23:40 system for transmitting computer science ideas 09:23:48 i spent my all day biking 09:24:20 uknow, i have to aviod being a soldier :) 09:24:36 how? 09:24:55 heh 09:25:01 solider? 09:25:10 or solderer? :) 09:25:29 i have been fit 4 military service 09:25:35 soldier 09:25:44 today 09:25:52 onetom: eh!? :( 09:26:41 but i appealed for further investigations by doctors 09:27:23 and i also asked may good-old high-school, 09:27:37 futhin: thanks, I've always though it was "solider" :D 09:27:43 Mr. English teacher. 09:27:56 two departments of the cybernetical center of the univeristy 09:28:06 if you have no choice, at least take the commander route.. don't pick the low-level route, because it's harder to get promotions 09:28:12 and the biological/botanical institute 09:28:15 about job 09:28:34 rob_ert: yup, i'm Mr. Englsih Speling Pro! 09:28:42 xDD 09:29:18 * futhin is going to go sing in the shower! 09:29:32 coz, i can choose from 6 month military service or 09:29:54 11 months civil service 09:30:11 Heh.. 09:30:20 What kind of civil service? 09:30:35 and this l8er should b spent @ a charitative or nonprofit 09:30:39 organization 09:31:12 so mainly @ libraries or @ hospitals as 09:32:10 as the 1 how pushes the ill ppl 09:32:29 (i dont know the proper words) 09:35:07 Heh.. I don't quite get you :) 09:41:06 pull and push ill ppl lying on rollable beds or sitting in roller-chairs 09:41:21 ill ppl transporter 09:47:24 forth coding as civil service 09:47:57 Hehe 09:48:02 would be nice :P 09:59:51 --- nick: PhoodPhrenzy -> CaffeineJunkie 10:04:05 caffeine is bad :P 10:05:04 rob_ert is good :b 10:05:07 i tried to get "into" caffeine last year.. bought caffeine pills, ate them. no effect, so i returned them 10:05:16 lol 10:05:48 * rob_ert laughs at futhin's attemt to become a Caffeine Junkie [tm] 10:10:50 life is bad 10:10:53 naw, isn't it a good thing i'm impervious (immune) to caffeine? :P 10:10:54 it will kill you 10:11:34 what a waste 10:12:02 why should it be good 2b impervious to caffeine ? 10:12:07 death is bad 10:12:10 it will unkill you 10:12:14 you say ? 10:12:47 * futhin gloats over his forth word (reverse-interpret) technique! 10:13:04 would it be better to be hypersensitive to caffeine ? 10:13:15 you'd only need small quantities then 10:13:30 why would you waste your time with any quantity? 10:13:38 'xactly ... 10:13:39 why not be pure in body, mind, and forth? ;) 10:13:40 --- join: Stepan (~stepan@p5084706D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 10:13:42 re 10:13:46 Hi :) 10:14:09 --- nick: CaffeineJunkie -> CrystallizedCaff 10:14:10 stepan: what's cooking? 10:14:23 --- nick: CrystallizedCaff -> Speuler 10:15:14 --- join: qless (~cerberus@clgr000977.hs.telusplanet.net) joined #forth 10:15:29 Hey qless. 10:15:39 heya rob_ert 10:16:07 Hehe.. nothing yet. the oven just arrived - Going to connect it first 10:16:33 You've bought an...oven? 10:17:20 futhin: But I was lazy - postponed real cooking until tomorrow - then I have time playing and I bought some pizza - I haven't had frozen pizza since more than 6 months now :)) 10:26:18 heh :) 10:26:43 at least you are cooking frozen pizza, even i'm too lazy to do that :P 10:33:14 futhin: :))) [06:47] forth coding as civil service 10:34:22 futhin: actually i will do it, coz 10:35:38 futhin: probably i ll "work" @ the biological institute ~4-10hrs a week 10:38:58 futhin: so eventually i ll do forth coding during the 11months civil-military service :P 10:40:09 futhin: i'll b a net-soldier. i'll service the army lying in the bed and working some mins a day through the internet lolll 10:40:58 but now, i think i'll b off for excercising aikido 10:41:20 b back ~2.5hrs later 10:43:32 onetom: tell them that.. "I'll be a net-soldier! i'll wreak havoc on our enemies thru skillful application of Forth!!!!!" 10:44:15 futhin: i had an idea... 10:44:49 futhin: dont forget 2 remind me that let me recall it and tell it 2 u 10:45:57 futhin: ah, got it! 10:46:27 futhin: we should plan our os 2 use lots of defered words, i guess... 10:47:10 and let these defered words b user dependant ones 10:47:31 so the users can highly reuse the os code 10:48:52 eg, they should b able 2 easily redirect input and output 10:49:08 and the like... 10:49:40 and they should b able 2 extend the text interpreter too 10:50:04 for the sake of high-customizability 10:50:51 i'm not very familiar with defer 10:51:16 and i've been suspicious of code that use defer :P 10:51:26 and with virtual methods? 10:51:42 so i need to learn defer, and learn the cons and pros of DEFER 10:52:01 havent u ever programmed in an OO env? 10:52:01 btw 10:52:12 don't you think we should create a new standard for forth? 10:52:15 like pascal, (delphi), c++ 10:52:21 break away from ANS, f83, etc . 10:52:26 yes, we should 10:52:30 aha 10:52:41 onetom: yeah, i'm familiar with c++.. were you going to explain defer ? 10:53:00 i think we should only standardize a very low-level stuff 10:53:04 yeah 10:53:08 a portability standard 10:53:25 i agree 10:53:31 just low-level standard.. 10:53:33 and then try to implement more clever high-level interfaces built up on it 10:53:47 just like java 10:54:01 probably its bytecode is quite well defined 10:54:29 and u could use it succefully, unless 10:54:48 and then make the code for higher-level words (like ACCEPT, etc) highly accessible. so that ppl can code their own forth, with minimal primitives, and then use the forth code that is accessible 10:54:51 the standard interface wouldnt b the usual compiled java stuff 10:55:08 aha, thats right 10:55:35 i'm annoyed that the code for something like EXPECT is totally different on F-PC compared to gforth 10:55:37 we think in parallel :) 10:55:53 i think the code should be the same, and easy to understand 10:55:59 F-PC code is quite ugly :) 10:56:20 if we do this right 10:56:27 it could simulate the forth community a great deal 10:57:06 (im getting awake... probaly i'll miss this aikido session :) 10:57:35 beginner forth programmers could code their own forths, without being daunted by the task.. they just code the minimal set of words, and then they understand that.. and then they can just get the code for the higher words and compile it onto their forth (and they'll be able to understand each word, because they understand the minimal set) 10:57:36 umeant, stimulate, didnt ya? 10:58:03 yes, i meant stimulate 10:58:36 its a good idea, but we should develop an os some how... 10:59:29 well we start at the design, and the standard, etc.. but i'm sort of busy these days, so it's kind of hard to get started on the os 10:59:48 and such a system cant dispense with some kinda standard 11:00:03 just like me... 11:00:05 i'm busy on the postscript & forth program that i told you about 11:00:22 i got the job (sort of) 11:00:33 but i have to do a lot of coding in 4th luckily @ least :) 11:00:56 onetom: what do you mean? "such a system cant dispense with some kinda standard"? 11:01:18 and i have to continue that native optimizing 4th to PIC asm compiler 11:01:57 futhin: we have to define such a standard like the current forth to b able to develop a full os 11:03:20 futhin: so, tho beginners can create just anything they like, they still have to accomodate a bit to the words & enviromnent 11:04:16 the os offers 11:04:25 we might want to try creating a publication standard too.. 11:04:40 although i'm not exactly sure what a "publication standard" is :P 11:04:48 hmmm... nice expression: publication standard :) 11:04:56 loll 11:05:05 neither me, be it still sound good 11:05:10 yup :) 11:05:17 probably we will also define it later 11:05:34 i think we should try to solve some basic tasks 11:05:47 what i know is that chuck moore didn't like ANS Forth because it was an "execution standard", he thinks that a "publication standard" should've been developed instead 11:05:48 related 2 this whole os thing 11:06:10 and the efforts will show us directions 2 go 2 11:06:26 wow 11:06:32 we need a collaborative environment heh. i would LOVE!! to create a collaborative environment (possibly in forth) 11:06:40 in what book have u read about these standards? 11:06:49 i need a collaborative environment _desparately_ 11:07:08 futhin: okay, hold on! im on the way coding an irc bot too ;) 11:07:12 er, desperately 11:07:23 you too? :) 11:07:36 i440r and onetom both coming up with their own irc bot? :) 11:07:43 yup, but i wont code a full irc client 11:07:51 ? 11:08:04 i don't think i440r is either ?? 11:08:07 i'll try 2 use the scripting capability of epic4 11:08:21 coz its scriptable in TCL 11:08:23 are you coding the irc bot in forth ? 11:08:28 as ive already mentioned it 11:09:07 i doubt that any irc bot can increase the collaborativeness significantly.. 11:09:14 i will simply fire up an epic4 irc client 11:09:20 the main thing about collaboration (for me) 11:09:23 is to edit a text file 11:09:34 and the other person sees this 11:09:36 in real time 11:09:40 and will activate an "on ^public_msg" event handler 11:09:44 and the other person can edit the text file too 11:10:01 what catches all sentences utter on a channel 11:10:15 a logger :P 11:10:31 uttered 11:10:49 and if that sentence matches a pattern 11:11:00 it will write that msg into a file 11:11:28 that file will b consumed by a forth running in the background 11:11:59 and it polls this (these) file 11:12:11 evals the things in it 11:12:45 and then puts the answers back into an other file 11:13:13 the tcl script waits for this file being exists 11:13:15 onetom: seriously though, do you think we should code a simple collaborative environment where we can chat and edit the same text file (or separate textfiles) and see the textfiles being edited, while we are chatting.. 11:13:21 before we do the os 11:13:37 a collaborative environment would probably be immense help 11:13:53 in designing, coding, planning, etc 11:13:56 well... i still cant imagine how could we avoid collisions. 11:14:09 i can 11:14:34 what kind of collision are you talking about though? :) 11:14:39 would it b a graphical application? 11:14:51 cursor collision 11:15:10 dunno, it doesn't have to be a graphical application, it could be text/ncurses/curses environment.. 11:15:14 ive already tried such a system once, but 11:15:22 it was way buggy 11:15:39 tho, its probably part of the standard debina distrib 11:15:47 cursor collision in what way? on the same line? 11:15:53 we can put in some simple restrictions 11:16:03 yes, on the same line, eg... 11:16:14 like: if somebody is editing a line, you can't go near the line 11:16:40 i'm not interested in the ability to edit on the same line 11:16:48 only in the ability to edit the same file 11:16:53 like 11:17:02 if we were figuring our os goals 11:17:10 it'd be handy if we could both type up our goals 11:17:13 if i imagine it more... well there is no collision problem in fact.... 11:17:16 and then dicuss 11:17:17 and edit 11:17:18 etc 11:17:37 * onetom off 2 the toilet. 11:17:53 so, hold on! and flood yr ideas here 11:19:09 it could be a simple text environment. the screen could be split up, a square screen in one corner, that shows the file. but is actually split into two, so that if one person scrolls down to the bottom of the file, and the other person is at the top, it shows the top part in the top-half of the screen 11:19:23 er 11:19:35 box in the screen representing the text-file 11:19:47 box can split into top-half and bottom-half 11:19:59 if the two ppl are editing different parts of the file 11:20:18 top-half displays the text near where one person is editing 11:20:30 bottom-half displays text near where other person is editing 11:20:42 the rest of the screen (outside of the box) for chat purposes 11:21:12 hm, it'd be handy to have a higher resolution on this instead of 80x25. 80x50 would be better resolution 11:21:47 or 11:22:01 we just swtich between textfile window and chat window 11:22:17 the textfile window still gets split into two 11:22:21 * onetom back and evaling the idea (what seems quite exciting anyway :) 11:22:40 the textfile window only gets split into two 11:22:41 when 11:22:48 bash-2.05a$ apt-cache search white\ board 11:22:48 wbd - Multicast White Board 11:22:48 bash-2.05a$ apt-cache search whiteboard 11:22:48 nte - shared text editor designed for use on the Mbone. 11:22:48 vat - LBNL audio conferencing tool over the internet. 11:23:25 the users are on different parts of the file (and there's a significant amount of text between the two users) 11:23:27 hm 11:23:36 we could try nte and wbd .. 11:23:44 dunno about whiteboards 11:23:55 but shared editors is what i'm looking for 11:24:21 do u also have debian installed? 11:24:24 onetom: if this collaborative environment was coded in forth, we could code forth inside the environment, and then execute it 11:24:28 onetom: nope 11:25:38 nte doesnt have docs :( 11:26:02 lets browse the net for shared editors 11:26:07 whiteboards 11:26:21 for linux if i may ask :) 11:26:40 download nte and try it out ? 11:26:53 you can just give me a shell account 11:26:56 er 11:27:00 but there's a lot lag :P 11:27:20 futhin, u could do the search while i try nte, wbd out 11:27:31 you might need a second person to try them 11:27:32 out 11:27:45 guest:x@hermantom.homeip.net 11:27:48 and if i connected thru a shell account hopefully it would work 11:27:56 feel free to use it 11:28:20 but always mind that it is our production server 11:28:35 and u have plenty of access rights on it 11:28:48 so plz b VERY careful! 11:28:49 everybody else on this channel and ppl who read clog now knows the account :P 11:29:01 i know 11:29:55 so, TO ALL PPL who read clog good: DONT MESS MY SYSTEM UP, PLZ! 11:30:19 11:30:35 dunno if anybody else actually reads #forth logs 11:30:38 qless: khm... :) 11:30:47 j/k onetom :) 11:31:05 j/k is short 4 what? 11:31:13 just kidding 11:31:18 or joking 11:31:18 Just joKing? 11:31:26 Just Kidding 11:31:31 JoKing 11:31:36 ah, now i know :) 11:34:12 oooh cool, made a discovery 11:34:26 if i modify my postscript file, ghostscript automatically reloads it 11:34:28 and what ahve u found? 11:34:39 i don't have to close GSView 11:34:44 what linux r u using? 11:34:47 windows :P 11:34:54 oh, jesus :) 11:34:55 windows is a great linux distro ;) 11:35:00 lolll 11:35:22 sure, GNU/Windows is already pretty usable :) 11:36:50 anime takes up most of my harddrive 11:36:57 so that's why i don't have linux installed 11:37:11