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00:33:20 <Stepan> moin
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02:39:31 <rob_ert> hi
02:45:35 <onetom> hi. gotta go
02:45:39 <onetom> cu l8r
02:46:25 <rob_ert> bye
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07:33:17 <rob_ert> Hi!
07:33:24 <futhin> hola
07:33:26 <futhin> what's up? :)
07:34:04 <rob_ert> Cooooding.
07:34:15 <futhin> did you do the pyramid? ;)
07:34:26 <futhin> or are you coding something else?
07:34:58 <rob_ert> I'm codnig in...C!
07:35:19 <rob_ert> But no, I haven't done the pyramid yet
07:35:43 <onetom> welcome back
07:35:59 <rob_ert> wb, onetom! 
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08:02:08 <rob_ert> moin :D
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09:15:06 <rob_ert> Hey I440r :)
09:15:10 <I440r> hi
09:15:15 <rob_ert> How's isforth going? And your programs for it?
09:15:24 <I440r> been working on the forth bot :)
09:15:39 <I440r> i should be able to have it connect here in a cpl of days
09:15:51 <I440r> its sitting on an irc server i installed on my laptop just to test it with heh
09:16:11 <I440r> i just got it to successfully seperate out all the component parts of an irc message
09:16:27 <I440r> interpreting that message is going to be sooooooooo easy in forth heh
09:16:36 <I440r> ill just make each token a forth word :)
09:16:49 <rob_ert> Like..?
09:16:57 <I440r> PRIVMSG - just displays the message
09:17:14 <I440r> each of the numerics that are defined can work the same way
09:17:18 <I440r> :)
09:17:40 <I440r> ctcp's are privmsgs too
09:17:51 <I440r> but the first character of the message body is a \001
09:17:54 <rob_ert> cool, heh
09:18:10 <I440r> so when you ping me the message i get is
09:18:54 <I440r> :orb_ert!!robert@blah.com PRIVMSG :\001PING
09:18:58 <I440r> or somethinglike that
09:19:09 <I440r> oh no i missed something
09:19:16 <I440r> messages also state their target
09:19:28 <I440r> :orb_ert!!robert@blah.com I440r PRIVMSG :\001PING
09:19:29 <I440r> or
09:19:36 <I440r> :orb_ert!!robert@blah.com #forth PRIVMSG :\001PING
09:19:47 <I440r> for you pinging me - or you pinging the channel
09:20:48 <rob_ert> --- Ping reply from onetom : 3.81 second(s)
09:20:50 <rob_ert> Hehe :)
09:20:56 <I440r> :)
09:21:33 <I440r> heh i installed ircd on my laptop AND oper and channel services too heh
09:21:50 <I440r> oh are you in linux ?
09:21:56 <rob_ert> Yes, why?
09:22:01 <I440r> can you finger me ?
09:22:02 <rob_ert> What system are you using?
09:22:08 <rob_ert> How to do that? :-)
09:22:15 <I440r> need to know if you can finger thru ipmasq server
09:22:23 <I440r> erm hang on heh
09:22:48 <I440r> try finger mark4@my-ip
09:22:55 <rob_ert> okay
09:23:03 <I440r> finger mark4@65.224.144.219
09:23:15 <rob_ert> robert:~# finger mark4@65.224.144.219
09:23:15 <rob_ert> [65.224.144.219]
09:23:15 <rob_ert> finger: connect: Connection refused
09:23:23 <I440r> ok
09:23:25 <I440r> dang :P
09:23:29 <rob_ert> .-/
09:23:49 <I440r> damned ip masq proxy :P
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09:42:01 <I440r> fu thin chu!
09:42:06 <futhin> ho ho and a bottle of rum
09:42:21 <I440r> shud have my bot connecting here in a cpl of days
09:42:21 <futhin> i440r: do you know martial arts?
09:42:27 <I440r> wing chun
09:42:38 <futhin> a cpl??! i was expecting it'd be done today ;P
09:43:09 <I440r> ok
09:43:14 <I440r> wheres your mud then ?
09:43:16 <I440r> :P~
09:43:16 <futhin> heh
09:43:21 <futhin> :~~ (
09:43:44 <futhin> i blame it on you. bwhaahah! shift blame technique!
09:43:58 <futhin> need to figure out sockets, blah blah blah blah
09:47:52 <futhin> ugh fug
09:48:07 <I440r> actually
09:48:10 <futhin> how do i get lynx to download a file?
09:48:32 <futhin> do i just start downloading and then it'll give me an option to save it to disk?
09:48:35 <futhin> it had better!
09:48:41 <I440r> the biggest prob will be the database stuff 
09:50:00 <futhin> well i think i should set up a prototype
09:50:04 <futhin> get somebody to connect
09:50:09 <futhin> and then worry about the database..  
09:50:20 <futhin> altho i am worrying about the database too :P
09:50:25 <I440r> heh
09:51:06 <futhin> i440r: which do you think is better:  gforth or bigforth? :D
09:51:42 <I440r> none of the above
09:51:46 <I440r> next question ?
09:52:52 <futhin> i knew you would do that ! :P
09:53:24 <I440r> so whose the dope asking stupid questions ??? :P
09:54:51 <futhin> should i be developing the forth mud on isforth right _now_ or should i develop on gforth until isforth is ready ?
09:55:12 <I440r> isforth IS ready
09:55:14 <I440r> sorta
09:55:15 <I440r> heh
09:55:27 <I440r> if u start using gforth it wont translate easilly
09:56:52 <futhin> what do you mean?  it's bloody forth..  dup & swap are available on both "forths" , so it should be translatable.. 
09:57:09 <futhin> :P
09:57:12 <futhin> hm
09:57:13 <futhin> um
09:57:21 <futhin> all the basic words are similar on both forths..
09:57:34 <futhin> and so far, my mud is just using all the basic words
09:57:35 <I440r> not all
09:57:54 <I440r> so far you mud isnt realy using ANY words yet heh
09:57:54 <futhin> i haven't tried opening any files yet, or connecting to sockets..
09:57:59 <futhin> so it should be fine
09:58:13 <I440r> do you knnow what the mud comms protocol is ?
09:58:15 <futhin> i440r: show me some code that opens a file in isforth ?
09:58:22 <I440r> its just pure telnet ?
09:58:30 <I440r> a file ?
09:58:30 <futhin> i440r: pure telnet with ansi codes..
09:59:05 <I440r> you just call the sys open with a pointer to an ascii z filename
09:59:13 <futhin> altho the ansi codes can be done later, it doesn't matter.. it's pure telnet as far as you care :P
09:59:25 <I440r> filenamepointer <open>
09:59:30 <I440r> and the file is open
09:59:31 <futhin> i440r: eh? no forth word for opening the file?
09:59:48 <I440r> filename <open> file-descriptor !
09:59:54 <I440r> thats all you need to do
10:00:02 <I440r> works similar with sockets too
10:00:08 <I440r> but theres slightly more you need to do
10:01:50 <futhin> <OPEN> is a forth word? :P
10:02:10 <I440r> no
10:02:13 <I440r> its an isforth word
10:02:18 <futhin> ok
10:02:20 <I440r> it a syscall
10:02:23 <futhin> same difference! :P
10:02:36 <I440r> in isforth any words with <  and  > arround it is a syscall
10:02:41 <futhin> ok
10:02:43 <I440r> <foo> is a sys foo call :P
10:02:43 <I440r> heh
10:02:51 <futhin> <foo> is defined?
10:02:55 <I440r> no
10:02:58 <futhin> how about <fubar>? :P
10:03:09 <I440r> <bleh> might be defined later :)
10:03:11 <futhin> <foof>
10:03:22 <I440r> the kernel itself doesnt use many syscalls.
10:03:32 <I440r> so theres no code to handle the ones it doesnt support
10:03:34 <I440r> BUT
10:03:44 <I440r> theres a mechanism to add ANY syscall at compile time
10:04:00 <I440r> #paramters syscall# syscall <new-syscall-word>
10:04:20 <I440r> works for all syscalls
10:04:47 <I440r> if syscall# is already defined - it just returns with #parms still on the stack :P
10:04:48 <I440r> heh
10:05:10 <futhin> heh
10:05:39 <I440r> i have a comment in the syscall file saying
10:05:53 <I440r> "its your bug - who cares if theres junk on the stack now - fix the damned bug fool"
10:05:53 <I440r> heh
10:06:22 <I440r> i should probably change that
10:06:33 <futhin> why?
10:06:39 <I440r> make it see if you are trying to define an already defined sycall with a different numbre of parameters
10:06:45 <I440r> if so it should abort"
10:06:52 <futhin> comments with an attitude are golden :)
10:07:00 <I440r> otherwise it should just discard all parameters and return
10:07:04 <I440r> as if it had worked heh
10:08:28 <futhin> um..just make it return a value that signifies "hey! this syscall is already defined"  and force people to catch it in their code..
10:08:52 <I440r> if they are trying to redefine it as what its already defined as its not realy a fatal error
10:08:58 <I440r> it can be safely ignored
10:09:08 <I440r> unless they are trying to define it with a new name
10:09:18 <futhin> yeah
10:09:24 <I440r> which is why i did the above
10:09:34 <I440r> im not adding code to see if tnhey are aliasing a syscall
10:09:38 <futhin> what happens if they're trying to define it with a new name ??
10:09:45 <I440r> and im not going to allow ppl to rename syscalls this way
10:10:00 <I440r> it just returns with junk on the stack :P
10:10:10 <futhin> good :)
10:10:11 <I440r> and their new name is undefined
10:10:26 <futhin> you aren't going to change it right?
10:10:38 <I440r> so if they try redefine <open> as <foo> their compile is going to abort when they reference <foo>
10:10:44 <I440r> prolly not
10:10:57 <I440r> but i might
10:11:13 <I440r> i might make it abort" this syscall is already defined dumbass"
10:11:26 <futhin> heh
10:12:48 <futhin> abort if " this syscall is already defined as " return-syscall-name-for-syscall# "  dumbass" then 
10:15:35 <I440r> nah
10:15:40 <I440r> too much work
10:16:01 <I440r> the syscall creating word can see the syscall is created very easilly
10:16:15 <I440r> seeing which word references that syscall teble entry is not easy
10:16:45 <futhin> well what if the person doesn't know the syscall name but knows the syscall#  ??
10:16:59 <futhin> unless isforth is 100% intuitive! :P
10:17:46 * rob_ert is writing a weird forth compiler for Linux.
10:17:52 <I440r> the syscalls should ALWAYS be named the same as they are called in linux
10:18:08 <I440r> <open> not <stuidnameforopensyscall>
10:19:04 <I440r> well neway - im gona go code
10:19:09 <I440r> ill cu l8er :)
10:19:50 <futhin> hm
10:20:03 <futhin> rob_ert is writing forth in c!?! :(
10:20:18 <rob_ert> No
10:20:22 <futhin> heheh
10:20:25 <rob_ert> Only a forth compiler.
10:20:31 <rob_ert> And it's not really forth
10:20:35 <rob_ert> One stack too many ;)
10:20:42 <futhin> hm?  3 stacks?
10:21:07 <rob_ert> Exactly.
10:21:14 <rob_ert> 1+2 = 3
10:21:15 <rob_ert> :D
10:21:33 <futhin> how do i find out that my shell account is linux or what.. what's the "version" command ?
10:21:41 <futhin> rob_ert: what's the 3rd stack for?
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10:22:08 <rob_ert> Parameters only. I'm just playing around :P
10:22:37 <futhin> uh..  there's already a stack for parameters
10:22:41 <futhin> how do i find out that my shell account is linux or what.. what's the "version" command ?
10:22:41 <futhin> how do i find out that my shell account is linux or what.. what's the "version" command ?
10:23:23 <rob_ert> futhin: besides the data stack, that is
10:24:26 <futhin> you are already perverting it :P
10:24:34 <futhin> why is there a need for another stack? i don't see a need
10:26:00 * futhin loves the colorful jed!
10:26:40 <rob_ert> :)
10:26:53 <rob_ert> futhin: You can easily ignore the extra stack.
10:27:02 * onetom loves the even more colorful vim :P
10:27:03 <futhin> no screen on my shell account! noooooo
10:27:12 <futhin> i need SCREEN! :P
10:27:20 * rob_ert hates his colorless pico.
10:27:40 <onetom> futhin: but, hey, u r staring @ 1 ;)
10:27:59 <futhin> cool, my shell account doesn't have GCC or CC
10:28:07 <futhin> that's sourceforge for ya!
10:31:51 <onetom> futhin: he? sorceforge shell acc doesnt have gcc?
10:32:22 <onetom> futhin: sounds impossible. what compilefarm machine r u logging on to?
10:33:44 <onetom> a holtsávnak mi az angol cime vajon? vmi stephen king regenybol keszult filmrol van most szo
10:33:52 <onetom> oops
10:34:27 <futhin> onetom: shell.sourceforge.net
10:36:26 <onetom> hm... u r right, but what is this machine good 4 than? :)
10:36:35 <onetom> what about cf.sf.net?
10:37:35 <futhin> cool
10:38:07 <futhin> ugh
10:38:07 <futhin> wtf
10:38:27 <futhin> how do i get my files??
10:38:29 <onetom> ;)
10:38:34 <futhin> lynx and ftp don't seem to be working..
10:38:35 <onetom> that has gcc! c?
10:38:46 <onetom> :)))
10:38:56 <futhin> how do i get my files?
10:39:10 <onetom> nothing is good enough for ya!? ;)
10:39:27 <futhin> lol
10:39:48 <onetom> well... the shell.sf.net was talkin about the new home dir naming system
10:40:30 <onetom>         OLD: /home/groups/projectname, /home/users/username
10:40:30 <onetom>         NEW: /home/groups/p/pr/projectname, /home/users/u/us/username
10:41:08 <futhin> so i can access the files i had on shell.sf.net ?
10:41:21 <futhin> no
10:42:09 <futhin> lol
10:42:13 <futhin> you messaging me!
10:42:23 <onetom> i dont know what is sh.sf.net good 4
10:42:28 <onetom> yes yes ;)
10:42:57 <futhin> well in sh.sf.net lynx works
10:43:30 <onetom> anyway, i havent used sf.net seriously yet
10:43:35 <futhin> grr, lynx and ftp don't work in cf.sf.net :(
10:43:43 <futhin> how the heck am i supposed to get my files?
10:43:56 <rob_ert> magic.
10:44:46 <futhin> onetom: how did you send the message?  i forget the command ..
10:44:50 <onetom> but i plan 2 put the "mary" optimizing 4th compiler ENHANCEMENT prj up 2 there
10:44:59 <onetom> futhin: write user
10:45:17 <onetom> than write the msg on stdin, ctrl-d
10:48:12 <futhin> get the message?
10:57:46 <futhin> ok
10:57:51 <futhin> i figured how to get files
10:58:05 <futhin> tip: it's all ssh now :D
11:02:41 <onetom> ahaa, so via scp
11:02:52 <onetom> & yup, got the msg
11:03:28 <futhin> naw, sftp
11:03:31 <futhin> tried scp
11:03:38 <futhin> but didnt' figure it out
11:03:42 <futhin> so switched to sftp
11:06:59 <futhin> how do i change the directory MAKE installs the program into ??  ./configure --path=~/ doesn't seem to work
11:08:44 <onetom> dont know. such need haven ever arosen 4 me b4
11:09:20 <onetom> apt-cache search sftp yields me only wxftp-gtk
11:09:32 <futhin> i think it comes with openssh
11:11:50 <onetom> ah, u r right again. (ive found it on my sid)
11:13:17 <onetom> how could i use sftp from other clients? do they have 2 explicitly support it
11:13:30 <onetom> if b wrapped somehow?
11:14:05 <futhin> i think sftp uses regular ssh..  
11:14:13 <futhin> so if the other side has ssh it should wokr?
11:14:15 <futhin> work
11:17:49 <futhin> it is ./configure --prefix= 
11:17:54 <futhin> that changes the path it installs to
11:17:59 <onetom> ah, good
11:18:21 <onetom> what project r u workin on, anyway?
11:19:09 <futhin> forth mud
11:19:15 <futhin> i want to get working on it
11:19:22 <futhin> as soon as i install the dang gforth he
11:19:23 <futhin> heh
11:21:59 <futhin> hm
11:22:04 <futhin> looks like i got it installed
11:22:14 <futhin> but it seems messed up 
11:22:14 <futhin> heh
11:23:22 <onetom> what is messed up, gforth?
11:41:23 <futhin> it's fine now i guess
11:47:11 <futhin> had to update path :P
11:47:24 <futhin> it didn't do it itself == messed up ;)
11:52:15 <onetom> let it b the largest problem u encounter ;)
11:55:11 <futhin> lol
11:55:30 <futhin> i hope so too :)
11:56:38 <futhin>     : THREAD ( u -- <name )
11:56:38 <futhin>         '                       \ GET ADDRESS OF WORD
11:56:38 <futhin>         UP @ HERE 128 CMOVE     \ COPY USER AREA
11:56:38 <futhin>         OVER CELLS CUPP         \ SAVE USER AREA POINTER
11:56:38 <futhin>         + HERE SWAP !
11:56:39 <futhin>         HERE DUP
11:56:41 <futhin>         256 ALLOT               \ ALLOCATE USER STACK
11:56:43 <futhin>         HERE CELLM
11:56:45 <futhin>         DUP ROT 256
11:56:47 <futhin>         + ! SWAP                \ SAVE SP0
11:56:49 <futhin>         256 ALLOT               \ ALLOCATE RETURN STACK
11:56:51 <futhin>         HERE CELLM
11:56:53 <futhin>         DUP ROT 384
11:56:55 <futhin>         + !                     \ SAVE RP0
11:56:57 <futhin>         DECLARE ;
11:57:12 <futhin>     CREATE TASKAREA
11:57:12 <futhin>     0 THREAD TASK0
11:57:12 <futhin>     1 THREAD TASK1
11:57:12 <futhin>         .
11:57:22 <futhin> multitasking apparently :D
12:02:09 <onetom> hmm... parsing... ;)
12:04:17 <onetom> where has u found it?
12:07:51 <onetom> i still have doubts whether it requires 4th-kernel side support 4 it...
12:08:11 <onetom> s/4 it/or not/
12:09:18 <futhin> why? the code doesn't look like it touches anything on the kernel side
12:09:37 <futhin> i gave you the url to that code a few days ago
12:09:50 <futhin> don't you remember the doctor dobbs journal ?
12:09:55 <futhin> there was forth.zip and forth.txt
12:09:59 <futhin> that code is in the forth.txt
12:11:12 <futhin> http://www.ddj.com/ftp/1996/1996.03/forth.txt
12:11:16 <futhin> http://www.ddj.com/ftp/1996/1996.03/
12:11:20 <futhin> http://www.ddj.com/ftp/1996/1996.03/forth.zip
12:13:36 <onetom> oh, sure, i remember
12:14:18 <onetom> ive also downloaded it, but probably missed 2 check
12:14:45 <onetom> (forth.zip is a not to informative name...)
12:16:01 <futhin> there's DOES.FTH in forth.zip,  i thought it might've been relevant to segher
12:19:24 <futhin> the person trying to code DOES> 
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13:53:46 <Etaoin> drat
13:53:59 <Etaoin> I forgot to disconnect last night
13:55:22 <futhin> from #forth? 
13:55:28 <futhin> why would you do such a thing? ;)
13:56:16 <Etaoin> so people don't mistakenly think I'm on irc all day
14:00:41 <onetom> no, they dont think, i think :)
14:01:31 <onetom> many people leave their irc client running all day.
14:02:10 <rob_ert> (like me)
14:02:20 <onetom> (yes, like u ;)
14:02:39 <onetom> (infact u r also not here in this very moment :)
14:03:26 <onetom> s/also/either/ ?
14:04:18 <rob_ert> (he's lying, I'm here!)
14:04:45 <futhin> onetom: it's also
14:09:28 <onetom> hm, thx :) usually the 1st version is the right version
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14:19:28 <Etaoin> strange
14:19:46 <Etaoin> I unplugged my mouse and stuff screwed up by the time I plugged it back in again
14:20:05 <futhin> heh
14:25:43 <Etaoin> so, what aren't you coding today?
14:29:36 <onetom> u have a ps/2 mouse, havent u
14:30:16 <Etaoin> yes.
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14:59:13 <Stepan> hi :)
15:03:35 <rob_ert> Hi Stepan :
15:03:38 <rob_ert> :) I mean
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16:49:25 <rob_ert> hey
16:49:27 <rob_ert> wb :)
16:49:50 <onetom> :) my server has screwed up a bit after ~50days
16:50:20 <onetom> and im a bit lazy this late so ive simply restarted it
16:51:10 <onetom> anyway im still tinkering w gpasm :(
16:51:17 <onetom> it segfaults
16:53:04 <onetom> hmmm... i think ive just managed 2 separate the problematic part:
16:53:24 <onetom> bash-2.05a$ cat x.asm 
16:53:24 <onetom> #define LCD_FunctionSet(DL, R)          B'00100000' + 16*DL + 8*R
16:53:24 <onetom>         movlw   LCD_FunctionSet(1, 0)
16:53:24 <onetom> bash-2.05a$ gpasm x.asm 
16:53:24 <onetom> x.asm:2:Error [103] parse error
16:53:25 <onetom> Segmentation fault
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17:05:02 <onetom> hi
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19:08:05 --- quit: onetom (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
19:08:05 --- nick: onetom_ -> onetom
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19:32:14 <Etaoin> I guess everyone's already sleeping
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19:37:56 <Etaoin> hi
19:40:43 <aum> hi
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19:54:58 --- quit: Etaoin ("raise KeyError, "I'll bet that's the last time you lock them in the car..."")
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23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/02.03.07