00:00:00 --- log: started forth/02.03.05 01:04:24 --- join: robbe (~robbe@kalys.unixtech.be) joined #forth 01:18:49 hi 01:22:08 Hi :) 01:23:06 rob_ert robbe = . 01:24:22 i guess, the answer is false 01:28:46 1 ok 01:28:49 It's true :-) 01:29:22 rob_ert school + robbe = 01:29:25 1 ok 01:29:33 (forgot the dot :D) 01:29:35 if its true, its -1 01:29:40 not 1 01:29:57 u have a weired 4th implementation ;) 01:30:39 so u r on comp related class, aint ya? 01:31:24 Yes, I am :( 01:31:27 Coding asm :P 01:31:41 unixtech.be ... hmm, does "be" mean belgium? 01:32:11 x86 asm? 01:32:29 show/tell me what r u workin on 01:34:24 A 32-byte demo... trying to beat a friend :P 01:34:30 http://www.ypr.34sp.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?topic=636&forum=17&21 01:34:37 check my last post 01:55:09 ." I'm leaving" 01:55:25 --- quit: robbe ("CGI:IRC 0.4.3 [EOF]") 02:13:33 hi - is there a way to run an x window within opie? 02:15:26 opie? whats that? 02:15:39 sorry - wrong chan 02:15:47 :) 02:15:48 ok 02:18:11 but anyway, what is opie? 02:42:38 opie is an application suite that runs under qt/embedded on linux on PDAs like ipaq 02:55:25 aum: thx. im a palmos user/devel-newbie, so interested in such stuff. 02:55:34 aum: what channel r u on? 03:12:05 --- quit: Stepan ("Client Exiting") 03:46:45 onetom: #handhelds.org 03:47:04 aum: thx 03:47:41 aum: do they also deal w development questions or mainly its a user channel? 03:51:21 mainly development 03:52:02 aum: great! cu sometime nowday there, then ;) 03:52:29 i'm there now 03:52:43 do you have an ipaq, or plans to get one? 03:53:06 no, im quite satisfied w the opennes of palmOS 03:53:23 palmOS is closed proprietary source, isn't it? 03:53:38 i plan to use it for "industrial" apps 03:54:19 palmOS itself is closed, but 03:54:19 a pile of legal documentation is availably legally and for free for it 03:54:37 the palm company supports it quite well 03:54:39 is the API hard to learn? 03:55:04 :) well... dunno. i havent analyzed it deeply yet 03:55:27 but at 1st glance it seemed quite straightforward 03:55:45 don't palms have small memory? like, 8MB? 03:56:11 and there r numerous opensrc apps r also avalable for it 03:56:42 can palm talk tcp/ip through its sync cable? 03:56:49 well, mine has 2M actually, but its a rather old b&w type 03:57:23 todays palms have @least 8M but 03:57:47 usually they have 16M and they r expandable 03:58:15 but its memory managment is very diligent, so 03:58:55 so small mem could also be just enough 03:59:13 well, i gotta say, i kinda like having linux on my pda 04:00:21 well, previously i also thought so 04:01:00 do people tend to write palm apps in assembler? or c? 04:01:07 but in fact for app development i use too many apps 04:01:07 what could fit in a pda 04:02:36 and as a personal assistnat its quite enough 04:02:36 they write them, i guess in c, because 04:02:36 gcc-m68k is freely available for it 04:02:36 under many GNU platforms 04:02:36 does palm use a 68k processor? 04:02:36 - funnily enough - also for windows 04:02:44 well, seems so ;) 04:02:59 how fast is the processor? 04:03:23 a "country-mate" of mine has developed a gui-editor for palms 04:03:40 running under linux and using a gtk UI 04:04:02 well, i dont know much about the HW of my palm yet 04:04:28 i only have it for some months yet 04:04:51 and i did have enough time to tinker w it 04:05:25 and i have to post a mail - via snail mail - to the palm, inc 04:06:07 so they allow me to access the stuff of their developer programme 04:06:50 and im too lazy for posting a mail in the REAL WORLD :) 04:07:29 but ive already downloaded quartus&dragon forth into it 04:07:49 ahh, forth 04:07:56 and also managed to draw a sinus curve via them :) 04:08:17 i'm developing a forth for ipaq linux 04:08:24 wow :)) 04:08:31 u r my man! 04:08:38 it's getting rather big though 04:08:58 im about to start developing forth for pic microcontrollers 04:09:03 got gui words, socket words, and now i'm in the process of adding words for associative RDBMS 04:09:35 hm, and what about multitaskin/multiuserness? 04:10:12 yes - got multithreading 04:10:15 and multiuser 04:10:39 at the moment im enhancing an optimizing native code generatin forth compiler for smaller pic microcontroller 04:10:54 good approach - generate native code :) 04:10:59 shame i'm not using that myself 04:11:28 but the forth i'm developing is multiplatform - PDA linux, standard linux, windows desktop and windows ce 04:11:41 well, i have to -- w 8 level of hardvare return stack, not modifiably program memory, ~68bytes of ram... ;) 04:11:56 ahhh 04:12:06 you have.... constraints! 04:12:10 and whats the name of your forth? 04:12:26 netForth 04:12:34 is it GPLd? 04:12:43 yes 04:12:45 url? 04:12:52 http://netforth.sf.net 04:13:21 but if you want to perve at the code, you'll have to go to the cvs - http://sf.net/projects/netforth 04:13:23 (how come, ive managed not to notice it?!?!? hmm) 04:13:43 great, will check it 04:14:11 and do u have any good pointers on 04:14:11 multi* for forth? 04:14:53 is there any standard interface for multi* for forth at all? 04:16:07 i mean, API 04:18:45 multi* ? 04:18:54 mou mean multitasking etc? 04:18:58 s/mou/you/ 04:19:20 sure 04:19:39 : multi* multitasking/multiuser ; 04:20:07 well, i just did my own interface 04:20:16 hmmm, sad :) 04:20:19 i've got a word: 04:20:38 : spawn ( parm1 parm2 ... parmn n -- ) 04:20:40 so u dont know any standard in this area? 04:20:43 no 04:20:54 so if you have a word called 'fred' 04:21:01 and you want to run fred as a separate thread, 04:21:11 and give it the parameters 45 and 34 04:21:17 you would type: 04:21:26 45 34 2 ' fred spawn 04:21:28 45 34 3 fred spwan 04:21:33 or inside a word def, 04:21:34 nearly :) 04:21:44 45 34 2 ['] fred spawn 04:22:10 and how do u handle i/o in a thread? 04:22:27 is it already left up to the user? 04:22:39 well, i've got words for i/o redirection 04:22:45 you can even redirect i/o to sockets 04:23:05 which is one way for tasks to communicate 04:23:25 jeeesus, thats greeat! thats what im looking for for awhile 04:23:57 and is there any documentation on these stuff in netforth cvs? 04:24:35 doco is machine generated 04:24:40 i'll dcc you a sample 04:24:41 ... 04:25:57 are you able to receive dcc? 04:32:12 you there? 04:35:53 well, i gotta go to bed 04:35:57 cu later 04:35:58 --- quit: aum () 04:37:16 --- quit: onetom (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04:44:54 --- join: aum (~david@l76-131.world-net.co.nz) joined #forth 04:55:32 --- quit: aum () 05:02:08 --- join: onetom (tom@adsl52189.vnet.hu) joined #forth 06:54:01 --- join: Speuler (~l@195.30.184.52) joined #forth 06:54:10 'day 06:54:39 --- join: onetom_ (tom@adsl52161.vnet.hu) joined #forth 06:56:34 --- quit: onetom (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:58:05 --- nick: onetom_ -> onetom 07:21:34 --- join: rob_ert (~robert@h173n2fls33o898.telia.com) joined #forth 07:40:08 --- join: rob__ert (~robert@h173n2fls33o898.telia.com) joined #forth 07:40:18 --- quit: rob__ert (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07:41:18 --- quit: Speuler ("ifvoid: ok") 09:04:12 anybody here? 09:19:58 hello 09:53:36 --- join: I440r (~mark4@1Cust148.tnt2.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #forth 09:53:44 <-- not all here 09:59:10 OK 09:59:23 (when you see this): Hello, I440r. 10:04:43 hi :) 10:04:48 sorta busy :) 10:05:21 thx, rob_ert it worx 10:05:51 onetom: Okay, good... 10:05:54 What works, btw? 10:06:53 u will laugh. sending&receiving msgs while im on an other channel in epic4 10:07:13 Haha.. get a better client :P 10:07:42 there were no traffic on #forth and it was a bit suspicious... 10:08:23 probably bitchx is better, but the 1 in potato is a bit buggy. 10:08:24 Oh, OK. 10:08:30 Hm.. 10:08:38 Download a newer version then :-) 10:09:11 i dont want to clutter that system up w manually compiled sw 10:09:52 anyway, i met aum 2day. 10:10:14 he s the maintainer of netforth.sf.net 10:10:48 his forth is capable of multitasking and has some multiuser support 10:11:23 prob. that will b a good starting point 4 me 10:11:58 though ive found some info on 2 4ths named tforth 10:12:58 1 is a 4th written in 4th, and the other is a 4th implementation 4 a parallel proc machine 10:13:34 cool :-) 10:13:48 so im on the way. thx go 2 all members of this channel ;) 10:14:18 even little me? :P 10:15:11 sure! u served the social background ;) 10:15:39 and, imagine, i met aum accidentaly 10:16:23 he has misrouted a message from #handhelds.org 2 #forth 10:16:50 hehe 10:17:19 anyway i have a palm IIIe palmtop 10:17:48 nice.. I only have PCs, and a few older computers. 10:17:58 and infact - though probably i havent mentioned it yet - i also plan to port a GLPed 4th to it 10:18:40 so he was just the perfect man i had 2 meet :) 10:19:18 but b4n (by for now) 10:19:32 b back in some hrs 10:19:41 okay 10:19:44 bye :-( 10:20:09 and old girlfriend is waiting for me... 10:20:14 @8pm 10:20:15 --- join: lac (~lac@ingatlanok.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #forth 10:20:22 okie :) 10:20:24 hi lac.- 10:20:36 hi all 10:20:39 and i also have to hand back film cds 10:21:19 lac: im just about 2 leave :) u r a bit l8 10:21:51 yes, i know :) 10:21:55 u has missed the action again :) 10:22:11 anyway, nothing has happened infact 10:22:29 but say a /who * 2 yr epic4 10:22:47 and b amazed, there is a log daemon/bot 10:23:07 check the url mentioned in its name 10:23:46 diz is bitchx, don't ask me why :) 10:24:57 but wait... 10:25:04 --- quit: lac ("BitchX: the quilted quicker picker upper") 10:25:26 --- join: lac (~lac@ingatlanok.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #forth 10:37:36 --- join: horvaths (~horvaths@solyom.sth.sze.hu) joined #forth 10:38:07 hey, man! uve left #linsze! 10:38:08 wow, horvaths, Hi 10:38:11 come back there 10:38:39 he's back now 10:38:58 I think... 10:45:02 look guys - forth uses reverse POLISH notation - not hungarian :P~ 10:45:13 heh 10:45:47 i got my forth bot to connect on a local irc server but it just idles there - its not able to join channels yet 10:45:51 but it connects :) 10:46:13 cool :D 10:46:26 not able to join ? why ? 10:46:38 I never though anyone could write anything more than hello world in forth :) 10:48:16 I440r: sounds cool.. 10:48:16 ugh 10:48:21 rob_ert: :))) hey, im writing a building control program in it! 10:48:30 :) 10:48:34 i havent added the code to parse the complete irc protocol yet 10:48:43 all it does is connect send a USER and NICK 10:48:49 so irc accepts its connection 10:49:04 the fact that its doing that means i can connect on a socket and TALK down it hh 10:49:06 bbl 10:49:12 gotta go write the irc bot now :) 10:49:17 --- quit: I440r ("bbl!") 10:50:47 irc bot in forth? 10:50:56 yup 10:51:21 but thought he s writing it in irc-script 10:51:37 and connects to forth via a pipe or sg 11:07:37 --- quit: lac (" ") 12:11:22 --- join: futhin (~thin@h24-64-175-123.cg.shawcable.net) joined #forth 12:12:12 hi all :D 12:18:31 hi :) 12:19:20 how's it going? 12:19:33 Seht gut :D 12:19:37 Sehr even 12:20:43 it's annoying how in america, the expected response from "How's it going?" is "fine/ok/etc" .. in other cultures, "how's it going?" is taken much more literally :D 12:21:16 Hur går det? - Bra 12:21:23 That's normal in Sweden, too... 12:21:25 Bra = good 12:21:34 Hur går det = how is it going 12:21:57 What I don't like, is people saying "sup?" 12:21:59 what if i'm bra-less? :P 12:22:09 We all know what "sup" means in swedish... 12:22:17 futhin: I surley hope you are. 12:22:24 i say sup? => whassup? => what's up? => tell me everythig dammit! :P 12:22:34 what does "sup" mean in swedish ? 12:22:35 i don't know 12:22:36 heh 12:23:04 a certain amount of alcohol to drink 12:23:06 :-) 12:23:10 that's a "sup" 12:23:33 hm 12:23:33 --- quit: horvaths ("BitchX: causing all sorts of havok!") 12:23:40 i was expecting something much ruder :P 12:23:47 hehe 12:24:00 germans always laugh when we speak swedish 12:24:06 why? 12:24:23 the swedish word for "got", just line in english it's very common, is "fick" in swedish 12:24:30 That means "fucks" in german 12:40:08 --- join: rob__ert (~robert@h173n2fls33o898.telia.com) joined #forth 12:40:15 --- quit: rob__ert (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:02:10 --- join: Soap- (~flop@210-55-82-244.dialup.xtra.co.nz) joined #forth 14:05:47 --- join: Speuler (~sample@195.30.184.52) joined #forth 14:06:28 'oi :P 14:07:20 goddag 14:07:53 :-D 14:08:04 'm testing irc clients ... 14:08:16 setting 'm up for icafe users 14:08:22 this is tkirc 14:08:33 don't like it 14:08:44 but maybe cafe visitors do 14:08:52 well, they can choose 14:09:26 --- join: CaffeineJunkie (~sample@195.30.184.52) joined #forth 14:11:23 Why don't give them XChat? :-D 14:12:25 --- quit: CaffeineJunkie (Client Quit) 14:12:38 yes, why not 14:13:32 I like it... 14:13:44 Best GUI client I've tried. 14:14:53 --- join: CaffeineJunkie (~sample@195.30.184.52) joined #forth 14:14:56 yes, xchat is pretty good, good interface, simple enough. 14:15:04 good enough fro the icafe users 14:15:07 xchat 14:15:14 but not good enough for serious ircers :P 14:15:19 yes, looks good 14:15:29 real irc junkies use ircii or bitchx 14:15:33 Bah 14:15:42 they'll have ircII too 14:15:42 I only have bx on the no-GUI comp 14:15:55 lol 14:16:04 i did /ctcp rob_ert bitchx 14:16:05 lol 14:16:06 --- Received a CTCP BITCHX from futhin 14:16:06 --- Received a CTCP VERSION from futhin 14:16:09 yeah, heh 14:16:26 <-- high on crack 14:18:24 --- quit: CaffeineJunkie (Client Quit) 14:18:58 --- join: CaffeineJunkie (~sample@195.30.184.52) joined #forth 14:19:32 that's four. should be enough 14:19:38 --- quit: CaffeineJunkie (Remote closed the connection) 14:19:51 tnx for bearing with me 14:20:22 any other games you could recommend ? 14:20:43 multi-user, network, easy to learn ... 14:20:55 like quake ... 14:21:42 got civ call to power, railroad tycoon, but those have a considerable learning curve 14:21:46 --- join: XeF4 (~xef4@dsl-XIV-95.kotikaista.weppi.fi) joined #forth 14:22:17 Sorry, no idea... 14:23:28 um 14:23:29 bomberman 14:23:46 you should be able to find a good version commercial or shareware 14:23:49 for 4 players.. 14:23:52 lots of fun 14:24:02 that's the maze, with players placing bombs, then run away quickly ? 14:24:06 yes 14:24:55 other games you might want to consider: starcraft, quake 3, unreal tournament, tribes.. 14:24:56 er 14:24:59 tribes 2 14:25:02 could it be called bombermaze ? 14:25:13 no 14:25:16 bomberman 14:25:28 not in debian 14:25:33 if there is something called bombermaze, does it say "clone of bomberman" or something? 14:25:33 gotta search it 14:25:37 oh for linux 14:25:39 oops 14:25:47 linux multiplayer games.. hmm 14:25:53 there's a few websites out there 14:26:04 dedicated completely to linux games 14:26:08 good ones 14:26:11 i checked www.linuxgames.com 14:26:31 i recall something like penguin games 14:26:32 but didn't find so many game candidates 14:26:36 xtux 14:26:51 tried it 14:26:58 video not quick enough 14:27:01 www.happypenguin.com ? 14:27:03 er 14:27:04 .org 14:27:05 cheap SIS630 chipset 14:27:19 quake works amazingly well 14:28:29 bombermaze is for x ... i just look at it 14:28:41 2-4 players 14:29:46 http://ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/games/multiplayer/ 14:29:53 hmmm ... no network. all players on same keyboard ... 14:30:07 yeah, that sucks, need network version 14:30:32 I found a nice Linux "Schorched Earth" clone for network once... 14:30:40 http://ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/games/multiplayer/!INDEX.html 14:30:41 But I guess that's not very popular :) 14:30:42 futhin: that looks like a good URL you gave me 14:30:49 yeah 14:31:01 rob_ert: why not? 14:31:49 futhin: Dunno... Ask Speuler if cybercafe users like it :) 14:32:10 Thanks once again for the forth vm example, Speuler :) 14:32:22 Now I have to go to bed, see you tomorrow! 14:32:33 rob_ert: that's tanks, shooting power and angle, selection of projectiles, tunr-based ? 14:32:45 Speuler: Yes. 14:32:56 maybe too simple 14:32:59 Yeah.. 14:33:05 not flashy enough 14:33:15 Not modern enough. 14:33:30 It using enough CPU power. 14:33:40 Too free. 14:33:44 lol 14:33:46 "too free" 14:33:48 (I'm just complaning... night all) 14:33:48 :) 14:33:52 'night 14:33:54 good night 14:33:56 --- quit: rob_ert (": ^ 1 swap 0 do over * loop swap drop ;") 14:34:52 this is a multiplayer game 14:34:53 http://www.xpilot.org/ 14:35:28 2d, vertical maze, ballistic control required ? 14:35:28 mi back 14:35:38 i dunno 14:35:51 hi guys 14:35:56 hi 1tom 14:35:56 haven't played xpilot 14:36:03 hi 1tom :P 14:36:58 guess the fun part starts here - trying out some games 14:37:02 http://xtux.sourceforge.net/ 14:37:15 video too slow for xtux 14:37:18 oh 14:37:43 or i mix up xtux with another game 14:38:04 buy neverwinter for linux :P 14:38:13 www.tuxgames.com sells it 14:38:15 don't know that one 14:38:18 good ? 14:38:23 it's not really a multiplayer lan game 14:38:27 it's a mmorpg 14:38:31 and you connect to a server 14:39:19 xtux was another one 14:43:14 http://www.mattdm.org/icebreaker/ looks like fun, but it's not multiplayer :P 14:43:33 penguins scared of water ? 14:43:51 yes 14:43:53 so does www.tuxracer.com 14:44:06 not multiplayer either 14:44:08 i don't think 14:44:36 installing icebreaker ... 14:45:09 code a graphical mud :P 14:45:13 breakout clone 14:45:33 no, not quite 14:47:42 acm works afaik on 8bit video only 14:47:44 pity 14:47:57 some dogfighting game might be fun 14:48:15 woof 14:48:20 meow 14:48:46 the first url i gave you seems like the best source 14:48:58 i do think so. 14:49:02 battleship, worm clone, etc 14:52:03 there's a fair number of multiplayer games here http://www.linux.org/apps/all/Entertainment/Action_Games.html but you have to do find "multi" 14:52:09 http://www.roberthockauf.de/bomberman/bomberman.shtml 14:52:13 java bomberman 14:53:13 http://clanmecha.sourceforge.net/ 14:53:29 http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/finalbattle/ 14:53:53 http://www.parsec.org/ (might not be able to handle it if you couldn't handle xtux..) 14:54:13 http://www.ufoot.org/liquidwar/ 14:54:20 final battle looks good 14:54:22 xtux runs fine 14:54:27 yup 14:54:27 i mixed it up 14:54:34 ah 14:54:42