00:00:00 --- log: started forth/02.03.01 00:46:51 --- join: aum (~david@l76-131.world-net.co.nz) joined #forth 00:47:19 hi - does anyone here upload packages to unstable? 00:48:12 oops - wrong chan :| 00:50:13 "We apologise for the interruption and return you to your regularly scheduled idling." 01:28:18 --- quit: Soap` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:03:23 --- join: Stepan (~stepan@Charybdis.suse.de) joined #forth 02:04:48 moin 02:37:38 --- join: rob_ert (~robert@h173n2fls33o898.telia.com) joined #forth 03:00:03 --- quit: aum () 04:32:10 --- join: aum (~david@l76-131.world-net.co.nz) joined #forth 05:32:30 --- quit: aum () 06:09:34 --- join: Speuler (~l@195.30.184.52) joined #forth 06:09:52 'morning 06:23:37 hoi Speuler 06:23:44 where are you located btw,... 06:23:50 munich.. 06:23:59 argl.. i guess you told me already 06:25:38 well, depends on what "located" means 06:25:46 i'm not living in munich 06:26:40 i'm kind'f mobile 06:26:57 about to relocate again 06:44:55 munich is just for the time being 06:45:15 and now i'm here more or less by accident 06:55:07 rob_ert: you're alive ? 07:36:57 --- quit: Speuler (Remote closed the connection) 07:47:43 --- quit: clog (^C) 07:47:43 --- log: stopped forth/02.03.01 07:47:58 --- log: started forth/02.03.01 07:47:58 --- join: clog (nef@bespin.org) joined #forth 07:47:58 --- topic: 'can you imagine forth coding on this beauty?! http://www.exonome.com/fj/phkl/' 07:47:58 --- topic: set by ChanServ on [Thu Feb 28 13:05:12 2002] 07:47:58 --- names: list (clog rob_ert Stepan @ChanServ oxygene) 09:58:07 --- quit: Stepan ("Do you think it is air you are breathing? Hmm?") 10:10:49 --- join: Speuler (~l@195.30.184.52) joined #forth 10:11:02 hoi 11:10:27 --- part: Speuler left #forth 11:27:54 --- join: I440r (~mark4@1Cust25.tnt3.bloomington.in.da.uu.net) joined #forth 11:36:31 --- join: Fare (~user@samaris.tunes.org) joined #forth 11:36:39 hi fare!! 11:36:52 wanna see version 1.00b ??? :) 11:36:54 I440r! 11:37:01 i got fsave and turnkey working 11:37:17 so i consider it releasable now as an official version 11:37:39 wheres sopeha :P 11:37:45 she's cute!!! 11:37:48 smart too! 11:38:04 i wish i had a linux babe for a neighbour :P 11:40:07 --- join: CaffeineJunkie (~l@195.30.184.52) joined #forth 11:40:14 g'day 11:40:15 hi bongo :) 11:40:28 im getting my first caffine fix of the day now :P 11:40:59 stops the shaking 11:41:12 --- nick: CaffeineJunkie -> Speuler 11:42:19 a job offer flew by 11:42:23 ive been looking at lib4th 11:42:23 forth 11:42:27 yea ? 11:42:32 i'm not interested 11:42:33 did you catch it ? 11:42:35 no ? 11:42:37 oh :( 11:42:38 is in the uk 11:42:48 maybe you're more into it ? 11:42:48 joy mining machenery ? 11:43:04 as a contract maybe 11:43:07 the list of skills (at least one) is 11:43:11 but nothing less than $100 an hour 11:43:29 openfirmware scsi forth vxworks and another two 11:43:35 --- join: XeF4 (jajcho@12-245-116-85.client.attbi.com) joined #forth 11:43:40 xef4!!! 11:43:42 shall i look it up ? 11:43:47 i don't know the rate 11:43:50 i never worked with scsi :) 11:44:05 or vxworks or open firmware 11:44:10 i got it partly because of scsi 11:44:20 passed my filter 11:44:27 I440r!!! implemented a colorforth front-end for isforth yet? =) 11:44:39 've done scsi firmware before 11:44:45 xef4 no but i got fsave and turnkey working and have made an official release :P 11:44:49 from scratch 11:44:56 eep! 11:45:05 wheres mrreach :P 11:45:07 nice.. just when I have no floppies handy 11:45:09 both target and initiatiator 11:45:22 but i'm too busy right now for a job :) 11:45:29 hehe 11:45:41 i assume you have cash reserves to live off 11:45:43 i dont :P 11:45:50 no money and no job realy fucking sucks 11:46:20 there's another forth job 11:46:31 where ? 11:46:41 Po: Firmware/Diagnostics Development Engineer 11:46:41 Sk: This role is for a Software Development Engineer to work in a 11:46:41 team involved in the the design and development of Firmware & 11:46:44 Diagnostics Software for the next generation of our clients 11:46:44 Servers, Relevant exp in one or more of the following areas, 11:46:44 Solaris, Solaris internals, Embedded programming (VxWorks), C, 11:46:50 Assembler programming (any, but SPARC preferable), Forth 11:46:52 programming; processors SPARC, PowerPC or Hitachi 11:46:54 Microcontroller; I/O interfaces - Gigabit Ethernet, SCSI, USB, IDE. 11:46:57 where?? 11:47:14 that one i could probably do 11:47:15 heh 11:47:17 Bracknell, Berkshire 11:47:24 01462 476499 11:47:32 mailto:dnuttall@charlottejames.com 11:47:42 Re: JS1591DN 11:47:50 Cn: David Nuttall 11:49:32 UK too 11:49:42 aha. It not likely I will get to .uk anytime soon. 11:50:00 ive heared of david nuttall 11:50:13 probably from an agency 11:51:48 living on beans in tomato sauce right now ? 11:52:14 no heh 11:52:15 not quite 11:52:23 ah 11:52:27 got some bread with it 11:52:28 beans, onions and bread here.. a job would be very nice indeed. 11:52:41 well, go for it 11:52:52 but onions are healthy 11:53:31 i spent very little right now... 11:53:34 spend 11:53:35 i dont like onions :P 11:53:40 free flat, fre food ... 11:53:55 food of choice 11:54:01 onions too 11:54:14 if specified 11:54:43 mm.. fried onions, rye bread and beans. what else is fit to eat? 11:55:37 fish 11:55:45 catch of the day 11:56:06 birch trees 11:56:08 aspins 11:56:30 you can cut the cambrium into spaghetti 11:56:39 and extract syrop 11:56:52 insects are very nourishing too 11:56:59 lots of proteines 11:57:09 hm yes. birch syrup is quite good. 11:57:38 got some nature around ? 11:57:49 lots of things one can find to eat 11:58:06 get yourself a good survival book :) 11:58:24 just in case 11:58:33 you never know when you'd need it 11:58:55 of course. 11:59:34 shit 11:59:41 lost my yesterdays work 11:59:57 worked too well ... 12:00:20 ugh backups!!! 12:00:21 heh 12:00:36 lost it before the backup 12:00:56 i'm not doing backup once on hour 12:00:57 i got isforth in ~/isforth in the prcs reposatory, in a tgz in ~ in the samba shares on the server and in /pub on the server heh 12:02:04 i was defeated by a feature i've put in before 12:02:38 the automatic cleanup... 12:03:05 account expired 12:14:48 Speul: was there a URL for that job offer? 12:17:52 XeF4: i got it sent by mail 12:18:20 from which i pasted it 12:21:02 hum 12:21:54 --- join: Fare_ (~fare@samaris.tunes.org) joined #forth 12:22:27 --- quit: Fare ("ERC v2.91 $Revision: 1.217 $ (IRC client for Emacs)") 12:23:07 --- join: futhin (~thin@h24-64-175-123.cg.shawcable.net) joined #forth 12:29:21 :) 12:29:28 hi sexy 12:29:30 oooh sexy 12:29:32 what's up sexy? 12:29:43 im at a loss for things to do now 12:29:50 did you check out the all powerful PHKL? 12:29:58 phkl ? 12:29:59 --- nick: Fare_ -> Fare 12:30:07 the topic 12:30:11 oh yea 12:30:15 keep that in the topic 12:30:23 i have a friend who actually collects that sort of thing :) 12:30:23 i thought it was funny 12:30:27 lol 12:30:32 its cute :) 12:30:36 yup 12:30:38 heh :P 12:30:54 i wonder if her bf dumped her heh 12:31:21 you are at a loss of things to do ?? 12:31:34 did you finish isforth? 12:37:07 yes 12:37:16 well 12:37:16 not finished 12:37:16 but its releaseable now 12:37:36 i need that assembler extention ow 12:37:36 now 12:37:48 i could be writing the help system of corse 12:37:59 are you collecting those quotes ???? heh 12:38:02 no 12:38:07 i guess i could 12:38:08 um 12:38:21 i can help with the help system too.. 12:38:33 but i seem to be doing other stuff most of the time.. 12:38:45 well im not coding it yet, im writing all the info it will display 12:39:22 oh no! the help system is ruined already! 12:39:25 :P 12:39:39 im making one directory for each source file and a file in each directory for every item in each source file 12:39:46 the file discribes the item 12:39:47 etc 12:39:55 um 12:40:25 i don't trust anybody to do a good job on the help system 12:41:14 so i want to have a strong influence on your help system 12:41:18 a very strong influence :D 12:42:18 i know what you want - and i agree 12:42:22 none of that 12:42:23 help foo 12:42:32 and you jump into the editor at the foo help 12:42:36 nooooo 12:42:39 heh 12:42:39 it should just display IN the console 12:42:45 yeah :D 12:43:26 : help cr ." buy a good book" ; 12:43:37 naw 12:43:51 i'll just rip out the help from MUF and then modify it 12:43:55 shhh! 12:43:59 clog, don't tell anyone ;) 12:44:02 hehe 12:44:09 : help ." rtfm" ; 12:44:16 i like it heh 12:45:11 : rtfm s" rtfm" helpbase consult ; 12:46:16 how much czech crowns fit into an euro nowadays ? 12:46:25 about 20 ? 12:46:46 dunno 12:47:25 sorry, wrong screen ... 12:49:54 --- quit: XeF4 ("pois") 13:06:02 seen forthos.org ? 13:06:59 no 13:07:17 thanks 13:16:08 notify 13:16:14 ugh forgot the / heh 13:16:41 i hope i'm on your notify list :P 13:16:49 you are on mine 13:16:55 lets start a notify war! 13:16:56 bwahaha 13:17:11 why would i put you on my notify - i know exactly where you are when your online 13:17:14 your in here 13:17:17 RIGHT ? 13:17:18 heh 13:17:46 heh 13:17:49 not always :P 13:17:54 what if i get on other networks? 13:17:57 i don't get on #forth 13:19:56 i saw you join #forth on dalnet 13:20:00 so dont lie to me :P 13:22:15 that's cause i saw you online 13:22:26 so i joined the chan to see what was happening 13:22:34 but you were all by your pathetic lonesome self :P 13:22:48 hehe shaddp :P 13:28:00 --- nick: Fare -> FareAway 13:32:19 --- join: XeF4 (juzmjk@12-245-116-85.client.attbi.com) joined #forth 13:33:51 --- nick: FareAway -> Fare 13:34:35 --- nick: Fare -> FareAway 13:40:31 --- nick: FareAway -> Fare 13:40:38 --- nick: Fare -> FareAway 13:54:58 ok i440r 13:55:06 i'll start going thru the logs 13:55:17 and put the fear of god into your heart! :P 13:57:16 --- join: Etaoin (~david@ljk11.sat.net) joined #forth 13:58:10 i440r: where can I find the latest isforth? 14:03:13 IsForth Because Forth IS! ... must say something inteligent here soon.... 14:03:30 (first match on google, searching isforth ...) 14:04:12 ftp://ftp.purplecoder.com/isforth.txt 14:04:18 fourth match ... 14:04:35 ... stoned last night : 14:04:39 sixth match ... 14:04:46 ahem 14:05:01 vengeance.et.tudelft.nl/~smoke/logs/demoscene/demoscene.25Jan02 - 14:05:20 "moke" was ~smoke 14:05:30 shit, my client eats the ~ 14:05:36 "moke" was ~~smoke 14:06:17 Speuler: I asked because the first hit (which happens afaik to be the official site) only has antique files 14:06:44 XeF4: ok. i directed those matches towards I440r 14:07:12 some of those really are not ideal hits ... 14:09:41 speuler: the url appeared correctly for me.. ~smoke 14:09:41 Erst vor wenigen Wochen haben sich wichtige gro?e Fachh?ndler wie Kaut-Bullinger, Hutter-Guillbert und IBS Isforth sowie die Marketing-Gruppe West auf das PBSeasy-Format f?r die elektronische Gesch?ftsabwicklung mit den Lieferanten geeinigt. Schon ab Mitte des Jahres 14:10:06 I440r: your chance to make some money here. 14:10:13 trademark isforth quickly ! 14:10:36 that company seems to have a commercial product by that name 14:10:43 eh?? 14:10:49 hm 14:10:54 what does the product do? 14:10:59 is it a forth ? 14:11:22 Speuler: your client also kills high latin-1 chars. 14:13:00 "pbs business group for electronic business transaction... billing data ... " 14:13:40 i got their bank account number here 14:13:53 hmm 14:14:03 document from may5, 2000 14:14:26 well, forget it... 14:14:51 heh 14:15:09 you leet hax0r, you're gonna steal money from their bank account 14:15:53 --- mode: ChanServ set +o futhin 14:16:04 no such deed to me associated with my good name 14:16:14 --- nick: Speuler -> CaffeineJunkie 14:16:18 is there anything similar to having a word on the stack and executing that word in forth? 14:16:19 --- topic: set to 'can you imagine forth coding on this beauty?! http://www.exonome.com/fj/phkl/ | I'm starting a support group for people who are too lazy to code. Msg me. :P' by futhin 14:16:31 etaoin: yes 14:16:38 you can have the address of the word on the stack 14:16:46 Etaoin: guess its name ... 14:16:47 then you have ' to execute it or something like that 14:17:14 Eta: execute executes an execution token. Get an execution token for a word with ' 14:17:22 eg.. 2 3 ' + execute 14:17:24 so there is a way to get the address of a word to execute later? 14:17:29 ... or tick it 14:17:42 okay 14:17:46 ' foo execute 14:17:50 same as 14:17:51 foo 14:17:57 okay. thanks 14:18:08 Eta: ' puts the token on the stack, so you can of course put it in a variable or whatever 14:18:25 XeF4: you were first 14:18:55 credit to who deserves it 14:19:54 I didn't know we had scorekeepers in #forth. 14:21:22 yay 14:21:24 i win! 14:21:30 if were keeping forth score i win! 14:21:30 heh 14:21:48 let's i440r win in score 14:21:55 let me win the contract :) 14:21:59 eep execute isnt defered usually 14:22:07 ' foo is execue would blow away execute heh 14:22:17 etaoin: ' foo and then later you have execute 14:22:34 ooh yea 14:22:37 what does defered mean? 14:22:40 ' foo gets address of foo 14:22:52 its like a forward reference 14:22:54 def er foo 14:22:58 : blah xx xx xx ; 14:23:01 ' blah is foo 14:23:09 when you execue foo you execute blah 14:23:21 you can change foo to execute any othyer word 14:23:31 its very usefull 14:23:50 emit is usually defered so you can change where a character is emitted to 14:24:08 console, printer, to a file, do /dev/null.... heh 14:24:22 : silent drop ; 14:24:26 ' silent is emit 14:24:30 hehe 14:24:41 ' drop is emit 14:24:55 another thing you you can do is a deferede word chain 14:25:04 for instance default is what forth runs on startup 14:25:07 defer default 14:25:12 I440r: what does isforth with: 1 dup base ! . ? 14:25:17 ' silent is emit = : silent emit ; right ?? 14:25:33 base 1 is silly hehe almost as silly as base 0 :P 14:25:50 why ? 14:25:57 here - ill write a word to displayt all numbers from 0 to infinity in base 1 14:25:58 2 -> 11 14:26:02 5 -> 11111 14:26:13 : 0-infinity begin 0 . again ; 14:26:24 ehm. sorry. was wrong 14:26:24 base 1 has only digit 0 :P 14:26:27 t'isn't 14:26:28 ... 14:27:03 but forth allows any base from 2 to 36 14:27:14 anything higher than that would not be displayable i dont think 14:27:23 can we have floats as base ? 14:27:30 no 14:27:51 thats against the law 14:27:55 floats are evil :P 14:28:10 say, fractions ? 14:28:16 integer math is faster. if intel made their floating point unit do integer math only it would be faster :P 14:28:18 float is not a base, it is a representation (this is sure to attract the anger of Fare) 14:28:26 we can have floating point math that is abstracted so that it could either use FPU or integer math. 14:28:37 depending on the processor/architecture 14:28:43 i dont think fare angers very easilly 14:29:07 eep! theres a town called angers in france hehe 14:29:15 famous for the edict of angers 14:29:20 wtf? float is NOT a base. how the hell can it be a base? :D 14:31:32 it would be silly to use fractional numbers as a radix anyway 14:31:44 thats something i would expect of C coders - not forth coders :P 14:34:17 you mean, c programmers can do what a forth programmer can't ?? 14:34:48 i reserve the right to do stupid things 14:35:10 it is NOT upon the compiler to judge ... 14:36:16 c programmers generally code stupid code. forth programmers generally find a non stupid way of doing the same thing :P 14:36:16 thats the diff :P 14:37:52 so we can find an intelligent work around 14:38:18 but that's just tricking the compiler into doing something it couldn't do otherwise 14:41:13 Caffeine: you can! set a fraction as your base eg.. 5 3 / base ! The integer-rounded (this is the integer base, remember) fraction will become the base for all numeric I/O =D 14:42:17 caffeine: what? we just find simpler solutions than C coders 14:42:43 I want base e 14:43:10 yes, this whole integer number concept is just like brainwashing us 14:44:17 just because we got an integer sized number of fingers ... 14:50:40 how different math would be would we have 2.71... fingers 14:52:09 difficult to grasp ? 14:52:17 see, i told you, we're brainwashed 14:52:35 heh 14:52:46 --- quit: FareAway ("Connection reset by pear") 14:52:46 bongo - sounds painful to me :) 14:53:00 truth hurts :) 14:53:37 yes, I'd find it difficult to grasp as well as type with 2.71 fingers 14:54:13 of course we'd have 24.79163... characters in the alphabet 14:54:37 um 14:54:41 this topic is pretty damn boring 14:54:41 but a number like "2" would be difficult to represent 14:54:43 and useless 14:54:48 do I want to use a macro? 14:54:57 etaoin: for what? 14:55:00 no, but 1.27146... macros 14:55:48 who cares about the philosophy. the fact is integer math is faster. and it can be easily abstracted so that nobody knows it's not floating point math 14:55:52 do some magic like : but put the xt of an anonymous function in a place in memory 14:56:15 what are you trying to code? 14:56:28 Etaoin: often you have :noname 14:56:47 isforth wont have :noname 14:56:48 :noname 1 . 2 . 3 . ; ( leaves xt ) 14:57:08 no space ? 14:57:12 between : and noname 14:57:19 no space 14:57:27 :noname is a word 14:57:52 Etaoin: what forth do you use ? 14:58:34 gforth for no particular reason 14:58:42 gforth has :noname 14:59:07 defer foo 14:59:15 :noname words ; is foo 14:59:27 what does is do? 14:59:43 defer has been explained by I440r further up the road 14:59:52 assigns an xt to a word? 15:00:11 :noname compiles the words, up to ; but without header 15:00:15 leaves the xt on stack 15:00:25 " is foo" stuffs that xt into foo 15:01:19 you can ! that xt at a place of your choice 15:01:25 no need to use defer for 15:01:35 did that just for sake of example 15:03:43 etaoin: what editor do you use? 15:03:56 futhin: emacs 15:04:25 how did you find out about forth? 15:04:37 you seem much more of a Real Coder (tm) than I am :D 15:04:50 i'm just a lazy wannabe 15:05:00 a tray dater 15:05:13 ahem 15:05:19 hm? 15:05:21 I heard it mentioned a few times on irc and I got bored. 15:05:30 hehe 15:05:59 it's also kind of interesting that I was looking for a somewhat high level vm right before deciding to try it out 15:06:16 ah, nice 15:06:22 er, vm that one could code directly in virtual assembler 15:07:03 i was interested in coding an os to take over the desktop market from windows.. and then i discovered forth (which, imo, is the perfect language for me) :D 15:07:31 does> is currently destroying my mind. 15:07:39 Etaoin: you were listing into #assembler ? 15:07:48 CaffeineJunkie: huh? 15:08:02