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11:17:49 <rob_ert> Hi :)
11:17:55 <Stepan> hi :-)
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13:33:31 <nilsw> hey boys and girls :)
13:33:39 <nilsw> idlerz..
13:34:01 * nilsw is wondering how clogs gets it managed to log so much idling
13:34:08 <rob_ert> :)
13:34:15 <nilsw> hey rob
13:34:22 <nilsw> are you going to leave #uuu, too?
13:34:22 <rob_ert> hi Nils.
13:34:27 <rob_ert> Hmm.. nah.
13:34:31 <nilsw> why? :)
13:34:50 <rob_ert> I would miss the people in there ;)
13:35:22 <nilsw> did lynx say anything stupid about my leaving message? :P
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13:53:11 <Speuler> hi all
13:53:21 <rob_ert> Hi
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15:50:22 <rob_ert> Hi :)
15:50:26 <I440r> meep meep!
15:50:28 <I440r> bongo i fixed that /mod bug hehe
15:50:34 <I440r> it wasnt a bug in /mod :P
15:50:54 <I440r> hi rob :)
15:52:10 <I440r> that assembler extention is starting to get more and more desireable
15:52:31 <I440r> isforth is realy close to v0.0000000001 beta release :)
15:52:46 <rob_ert> Yay
15:53:22 <I440r> im coding the command tail and #! /bin/isforth shit - and then i need save-exe and turnkey
15:53:39 <I440r> soon as thats done im gong to call mysefl version 1.0 i think
15:54:37 <I440r> isforth alrady has the start of a load file that includes extentions
15:54:47 <I440r> ./isforth
15:54:47 <I440r> then
15:54:47 <I440r> fload load.f
15:55:04 <I440r> and it extends isforth with some stuff from various forth sources
15:56:22 <I440r> specificaly comment words, pictured number output, a dump utility, loop/branch compilation words and a "words" list all defined words 
15:58:39 <I440r> hehe thats 32k of forth sources
16:02:34 <I440r> im thinking of renaming the nasm output from the nasm assembly stage "kernel.com" heh
16:03:00 <Stepan> would you use lex for writing a tokenizer?
16:03:13 <Stepan> (fcode)
16:03:28 <I440r> lex ?
16:03:40 <I440r> i dont knnow lex
16:03:48 <Speuler> hi I440r
16:03:54 <Speuler> didn't pay attn as i was busy
16:04:01 <Speuler> congrats for bug fix
16:04:04 <Stepan> it's an old unix tool, a lexical analyzer generator
16:04:05 <I440r> thats ok heh
16:04:05 <Speuler> i'll be leaving now
16:04:08 <Speuler> good night
16:04:09 <Speuler> :)
16:04:12 <I440r> i know what it is
16:04:17 <I440r> nite bongo :)
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16:04:23 <I440r> i dont know how to use it is what i mean
16:05:15 <Stepan> me neither very well.. but i'm playing with it,.. and i have a small own scanner and a lex made one
16:05:47 <rob_ert> Uhm, is there any good forth for good old DOS?
16:05:55 <rob_ert> I'm thinking about learning a bit ;)
16:06:19 <I440r> fpc
16:06:37 <I440r> good plan
16:06:41 <rob_ert> :P
16:06:44 <I440r> go to the taygeta ftp site
16:06:45 <Stepan> dos? *g*
16:06:53 <I440r> you can get there from www.forth.org
16:07:01 <rob_ert> Stepan: That's what I have on my laptop ;)
16:07:08 <I440r> search for fprimer.zip
16:07:09 <rob_ert> And maybe I want to code forth in bed
16:07:13 <rob_ert> I440r: ok, thanks
16:07:25 <I440r> i have linux on my laptop :)
16:08:03 <Stepan> do pop
16:08:30 <rob_ert> I440r: I have minix too... you know any forth for minix? :)
16:08:36 <rob_ert> on the laptop, that is
16:09:33 * Stepan misses the borrowed g3 laptop
16:09:46 <Stepan> there you could just press apple o f
16:10:07 <Stepan> no need for an os to write forth
16:14:09 <I440r> heh
16:25:15 <rob_ert> Is there any place where they explain forth from an assembly point of view?
16:25:25 <rob_ert> Like..how it really works
16:25:53 <I440r> hrm
16:25:55 <I440r> not yet
16:26:11 <rob_ert> Not?
16:26:14 <rob_ert> Heh.. :)
16:26:24 <I440r> but i intend to explain the inner working of forth, how each primative works
16:26:24 <rob_ert> I though forth was bigger than that :P
16:26:37 <I440r> starting with how forth executes high level definitions
16:26:37 <I440r> next, nest and unnest specificaly
16:26:37 <rob_ert> :-)
16:27:24 <I440r> there might be some tutorials on forth arround
16:27:24 <I440r> ive never gone looking for them
16:27:32 <I440r> not sure how IN DEPTH they get about the inner workings
16:27:51 <I440r> they usually try teach you how to program in forth, not how forth works
16:28:33 <rob_ert> hm
16:28:53 <rob_ert> is there any asm forth (like yours :D) for DOS, that I can study? It should of course be simple
16:28:59 <rob_ert> nothing very big
16:29:58 <I440r> theres very little in my forth thats specific to linux
16:30:35 <I440r> you could try getting pygmy forth
16:30:35 <I440r> or some other dos forths
16:30:38 <Stepan> hmm.. i think about changing my detokenizer symbol lookups from o(1) to o(n) to safe memory
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16:32:55 <Error404> hello?
16:33:09 <Stepan> hi
16:33:16 <Error404> hey
16:33:33 <Error404> he robert
16:33:40 <I440r> hi
16:33:48 <Error404> hey*
16:33:56 <I440r> your not found :P
16:34:10 <Error404> rob_ert told me to come here.. so what is this room for
16:34:11 <I440r> :)
16:34:11 <Error404> ?
16:34:16 <rob_ert> uhh
16:34:21 <rob_ert> forth
16:34:24 <rob_ert> maybe nothing for you
16:34:31 <rob_ert> <Error404> is 'cout' just for windoze?
16:34:33 <Error404> ya i am thinking
16:34:33 <rob_ert> :)
16:34:36 <Error404> :)
16:34:40 <Error404> i didnt know
16:34:42 <I440r> you know what the programming language forth is ?
16:34:43 <Error404> i am a newbie
16:34:49 <Error404> never heard of it
16:35:01 <I440r> cout is a c++ thing :P
16:35:01 <I440r> character out
16:35:05 <Stepan> it's polish notation...
16:35:40 <Error404> polish notation...?
16:35:40 <Stepan> Error404: thinking backwards, thats forth ;)
16:35:52 <Stepan> 3 2 +
16:36:15 <Stepan> like postscript or the hp48g(x)
16:36:16 <I440r> hehe
16:36:16 <I440r> yes
16:36:16 <I440r> 5 6 +
16:36:18 <Error404> like  {x return;}; int GetX;
16:36:18 <Error404> :)
16:36:30 <I440r> not 5 + 6
16:36:40 <I440r> reverse polish notation
16:36:48 <Error404> oh like scheme   (define two (+ 1 1) ) ?
16:36:53 <Error404> that is polish?
16:36:57 <Error404> so reverse it?
16:37:16 <Error404> like (define two (1 1 +) ) ?
16:37:18 <I440r> i think its the name if the guy that invented it heh
16:37:23 <Error404> oh
16:37:52 <Error404> so like if you wanna say : if x is greater than three you write
16:37:53 <Error404> x 3 >
16:37:55 <Error404> ?
16:37:57 <I440r> but yes
16:37:57 <I440r> its stack based
16:38:09 <Error404> o
16:38:30 <I440r> that says if x is greater than 3 leave a true flag on the stack
16:38:30 <Error404> well i am gonna leave now... this isnt a place for me :)
16:38:34 <Stepan> so it's  x 3 > if .... then  ;-))
16:38:40 <Error404> WHOA
16:38:41 <I440r> x would be a constant in that code tho :)
16:38:42 <Error404> i get it now
16:39:05 <Error404> well still.. i am going back to other channel.. bye guys
16:39:09 <rob_ert> bye
16:39:11 <Stepan> hihihi
16:39:13 <Stepan> bye
16:39:22 * rob_ert already loves forth
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16:39:44 <rob_ert> I once made a compiler for a language with almost as fucked up syntax as forth :)
16:40:15 <I440r> forth has no syntax
16:40:32 <rob_ert> uhm
16:40:50 <rob_ert> well.. the programs still have a kind of syntax
16:45:02 <rob_ert> cool... forth for PICs :D
16:45:15 <rob_ert> do forth programs need any runtime environment?
16:45:51 <I440r> only the forth kernel and thats always there :)
16:46:47 <rob_ert> and how small can that be?
16:48:03 <I440r> well
16:48:16 <I440r> mine is 8k for the kernel
16:48:28 <I440r> it will get larger as i add extentions but you can rebuild a SPECIAL kernel with alot of this stripped out
16:48:38 <I440r> to compile you applications on top if
16:48:39 <I440r> of
16:48:50 <rob_ert> hm
16:48:59 <rob_ert> the 16f84 has 68 bytes of RAM
16:49:10 <rob_ert> 1024 words program memory
16:49:12 <I440r> ths way your apps have a very minimal built in kernel (probably 4 or 5 k ish) 
16:49:25 <rob_ert> 14-bit words
16:49:29 <rob_ert> will it fit? :)
16:49:45 <I440r> 16f84 ?
16:49:57 <I440r> u lost me
16:50:53 <rob_ert> a PIC
16:51:05 <I440r> oh heh
16:51:08 <rob_ert> just saw a dir with PIC forths at taygeta's
16:51:18 <I440r> there are already PIC forths :)
16:51:43 <I440r> i doubt you would get isforth inside a pic :)
16:51:56 <I440r> skip carter is cool
16:52:09 <I440r> i cant way to pass isforth to taygeta :)
16:52:22 <I440r> i think thats going to be my main distrobution site if he will host it
16:53:15 <rob_ert> :)
16:53:34 <rob_ert> any good newbie tutorials you know of?
16:53:40 <rob_ert> I have fprimer
16:56:21 <I440r> inside fprimer :)
16:56:35 <I440r> thats the only one ive found
16:56:35 <I440r> try googling for a forth tutorial
16:58:30 <rob_ert> okay, thanks
17:10:41 <Stepan> nigh
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17:29:14 <I440r> hi aum
17:29:14 <I440r> u gona try grab those sources ?
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23:43:47 <adu> yo
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