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07:27:19 <I440r> hi soap :)
07:27:19 <I440r> we chatted b4 ?
07:27:29 <I440r> u a forth coder ??? :)
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07:36:06 <I440r> the & was wrong :P
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07:49:11 <futhin> hello
07:50:24 <I440r> :)
07:50:36 <I440r> brb - stop messaging me in trillian - im trying to get shit done :P
07:50:42 <I440r> no isforth for you!
07:50:42 <I440r> heh
07:53:18 <futhin> bah
07:53:25 <futhin> you could hide the damn window
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08:09:18 <futhin> hello mrreach
08:09:27 <MrReach> greetings, futhin
08:09:42 <MrReach> how are you this morn?
08:10:10 <futhin> dunno :P
08:10:36 <MrReach> Who would I ask???
08:10:52 <futhin> heh
08:11:25 <futhin> my day hasn't started yet, when i'm productive it'll be a good day.  if i'm not productive i'll just feel guilty  :)
08:11:40 <MrReach> heh
08:11:55 <MrReach> don't feel guilty ... some days you shouldn't even get out of bed
08:12:49 <futhin> yeah true
08:12:59 <futhin> actually, some days i'd be more productive in bed.. just thinking and dreaming
08:13:12 <futhin> or dreamthinking
08:13:37 * MrReach nods.
08:13:44 <futhin> hi aaronl, how is it going?
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08:27:30 <futhin> eww
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08:48:41 <I440r> hi
08:48:48 <I440r> sorry about that aaronl, i had to get this sorted and couldnt handle distractions :)
08:50:20 <MrReach> greetings, I440r
08:50:28 <I440r> mrreach!
08:50:30 <I440r> hi dood
08:50:55 <I440r> trying to find a decent x based editor so i can have multiple files open etc... cooledit looks nice at a glance
08:51:15 <I440r> but i cant handle the cursor jumping all over the map when i scroll verticaly :)
08:51:17 <MrReach> Linux platform?
08:51:41 <I440r> just because i moved the cursor onto a line thats got nothing on it doesnt mean the cursor should jump all the way left grrr
08:51:43 <I440r> yes
08:51:46 <MrReach> hmmm ... what about the editors that come with the window managers?
08:51:51 <MrReach> those seem pretty good
08:51:56 <I440r> which editors
08:52:02 <MrReach> nedit is excellent
08:52:21 <MrReach> heh, can't remember offhand
08:52:30 <I440r> erm - i dont like nedit
08:52:32 <I440r> or xedit
08:52:35 <MrReach> ok
08:52:38 <I440r> heh
08:52:58 <I440r> ive tried just about every single x based and console based editor there is
08:53:14 <I440r> and they all have shhitzoid behaviour imho :)
08:53:34 <I440r> like... cursor down scrolls your whole fucking file a HALF screen
08:53:39 <I440r> i know why they do that
08:53:53 <I440r> its to do with editong remote files
08:53:59 <I440r> but its annoying :P
08:54:24 <I440r> when i hit cursor down i want the cursor to stay in the same column, scroll the display up ONE screen
08:54:38 <I440r> most unix editors jump the cursor left and right when you move down a line
08:54:57 <I440r> and if they have to scroll they do a half screen scroll and jump the cursor back up to the middle of the display
08:55:09 <I440r> this makes it IMPOSSIBLE to keep track of where you EXPECT the cursor to go
08:55:12 <I440r> insanity
08:55:33 <MrReach> agreed
08:55:41 <I440r> cooledit looks nice... ive emailed the deve team asking them if they could add 
08:55:44 <MrReach> but I like the screen to scroll up ONE line
08:55:46 <I440r> syntax highlighting for asm
08:56:05 <I440r> and let me cursor down onto an EMPTY line and insert text at the cursor position
08:56:15 <I440r> i.e. editor inserts correcxt # spaces etc
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08:57:43 <futhin> oopsie
09:02:22 <I440r> wb :P
09:02:52 <I440r> neway - i gotta find out what it is about seperate headers thats making isfortht segfault when i type something
09:03:04 <I440r> it doesnt segfault immediatly any more...
09:03:20 <I440r> but if i type somethign and hit enter - it fubars :P
09:04:06 <futhin> why would it segfault at all?
09:05:49 <futhin> sounds like linux is touchy
09:06:15 <MrReach> segfaults happen when you write to memory that you do not own
09:06:24 <MrReach> it usually means a bad pointer
09:07:24 <futhin> hm
09:07:30 <futhin> disable the segfault mechanism!  :P
09:07:36 <I440r> fuck - cooledit will allow me to open TWO files
09:07:42 <I440r> i think this is a debian hack on it tho
09:08:05 <futhin> doesnt cooledit allow you to open multiple files? :(
09:08:23 <futhin> a gazillion
09:08:41 <futhin> a gazillion is 10^19 isn't it'?
09:08:53 <futhin> :P
09:09:04 <I440r> i think a gazillion is a bullshit made up word :P
09:09:11 <futhin> heh
09:09:25 <I440r> it allows multi files yes - but i think debian is restricting the definition of "multi" to exactly TWO
09:09:40 <futhin> yeah whatever, for all the pain we go thru using that word, it should be a damn real word :P
09:09:53 <futhin> two is a couple, not a multi :P
09:10:06 <futhin> i'm gonna go play subspace until i get disgusted, ta ta :P
09:10:23 <MrReach> ok, have fun
09:10:36 <I440r> heh
09:10:37 <I440r> i know that
09:10:39 <I440r> you know that
09:10:42 <I440r> debian doesnt :P
09:13:50 <futhin> ok, i'm disgusted now
09:14:08 <futhin> time to download gvim
09:14:37 <futhin> i use gvim to view my ascii pr0n!!!
09:15:22 <futhin> hmm netscape 4.77 actually crashes more than 4.76 
09:15:43 <I440r> ascii pr0n ?
09:15:50 <I440r> get mozilla
09:16:25 <futhin> mozilla is too bloated for my poor p133mhz 32megs of ram computer
09:18:30 <futhin> i should try opera or amaya or one of the w3c browsers
09:18:56 <futhin> jeez, trillian is so weird :P
09:19:05 <futhin> irc in trillian == scary
09:21:34 <futhin> it's a pain to switch between channels.. i guess i should stick with mirc
09:23:11 <I440r> yea trillian irc is crap
09:23:33 <I440r> specially if you are usually on 4 or 5 different servers at the same time in multiple channels on each
09:23:39 <I440r> trillian in that case is USELESS
09:24:02 <futhin> yeah
09:24:10 <futhin> you can do multiservers, but its' a pain
09:26:05 <futhin> i think they should put all the irc stuff inside the trillian contact list.  like, i'd like to have irc friends on my contact list, and trillian would just connect to those servers they are on and watch for those names.  additionally, it'd be nice to have the channels on the contact list.   each name and each channel would be associated with a specific server
09:27:29 <MrReach> you know, it might be worthwhile to rebuild the stern on the boat and use a high-powered outboard
09:27:47 <MrReach> that would allow me to remove the outboard and put a bench seat there
09:28:11 <MrReach> *MUCH* more passenger room, and more fuel tank also
09:28:21 <MrReach> is there a boating channel somewhere???
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09:28:43 <futhin> crap, trillian 0.722 is out :P
09:30:24 <I440r> what new features/bugs
09:41:04 <futhin> well it's got an autoupdate feature now
09:41:20 <futhin> and fixed some AIM bug or something
09:41:23 <MrGone> arg! avoid that like the plague
09:41:29 <futhin> and something else
09:41:38 <futhin> the autoupdate feature notifies you
09:41:40 <futhin> that's all
09:42:28 <MrGone> oh, ok, not so evil
09:43:23 <I440r> :)
09:43:41 <I440r> yea - auto install of disfunctional updates 
09:43:43 <I440r> heh
09:43:51 <I440r> i think ill add that to isforth!
09:43:52 <I440r> heh
09:44:47 <I440r> ok - even if cooledit doesnt add the features i asked for i am now a dedicated user
09:44:53 <I440r> it has one realy neat feathre
09:45:08 <futhin> yeah, make isforth get on the net and send info to a server!  call it spyware, provide a spot for advertisements!
09:45:24 <I440r> it reamembers what file u were last editing and reloads that file and places sets the position to where u were when u quit
09:45:31 <I440r> just like multi edit in dos :)
09:45:44 <futhin> edit.com ?
09:46:09 <I440r> ugh
09:46:15 <I440r> thats one step up from edlin
09:46:53 <futhin> edit.com == leet.  it's my favorite editor
09:47:10 <I440r> your sick
09:47:13 <I440r> you need help
09:47:16 <futhin> lol
09:47:17 <futhin> no
09:47:20 <I440r> not quite as sick as vi users
09:47:23 <I440r> but....
09:47:26 <futhin> i'll tell you what's sick.  vi, emacs, joe :P
09:49:34 <futhin> anyone can open edit.com and start using it.  vi and emacs require you to read the damn docs, just so that you know how to quit !    joe is sort of ok, but isn't as userfriendly as edit.com
09:49:54 <futhin> there are 2 features of edit.com that are _extremely_ important
09:50:11 <futhin> a frigging menu that makes sense.  and an open file browser!
09:50:22 <I440r> try multi edit
09:50:25 <I440r> heh
09:50:33 <I440r> try get version 3.01
09:50:36 <I440r> after that they suck
09:50:39 <I440r> featureitis
09:50:48 <futhin> what is the executable of multi edit called? 
09:52:17 <I440r> brb
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09:58:06 <futhin> i'm writing mail to trillian
09:58:16 <futhin> to tell them how to improve irc
09:59:12 <I440r> i already did that
09:59:17 <I440r> no response
09:59:46 <futhin> which address did you write to?
09:59:51 <futhin> and what features did you talk about?
10:00:06 <futhin> i'm writing to comments@cerulean and authors@cerulean
10:01:27 <futhin> maybe i should send it to bugs@ cerulean too
10:03:55 <I440r> makign irc use ONE window per server and tabs for channels
10:07:29 <futhin> naw, i'm asking them to change it so that we can put irc people and channels inside the contact list.
10:08:04 <futhin> what's your email?
10:08:25 <I440r> i440r@mailcity.com
10:12:08 <futhin> how about i send you my email first, so that you can check it for mistakes?
10:12:32 <futhin> i440r
10:13:22 <futhin> bah
10:13:24 <futhin> i'll just send it to them
10:14:20 <futhin> i'm gonna trick them
10:14:39 <futhin> the subject says "important irc features for a better irc in trillian (at bottom is a bug)"
10:14:52 <futhin> and i'm gonna send it to bugs@cerulean, as well as comments@  and authors@
10:14:59 <MrGone> since when did noaa.gov not have an IP?
10:15:53 <futhin> they're too leet to need one
10:16:20 <futhin> are you sure it's noaa.gov and not noaaa.gov ? or maybe it's a different name now.. 
10:19:56 <futhin> i also threatened them with resending a copy of the email if they didn't respond! $$
10:20:48 <I440r> ?
10:21:05 <I440r> wtf is noaa ?
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10:25:33 <MrGone> National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Association
10:26:00 <I440r> aha
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10:28:23 <MrReach> they are the agency responsible for publishing navigational charts
10:28:56 <MrReach> I'll need to get some, as I expect to be in the water in Puget Sound by this time next month
10:29:31 <MrReach> there's enough rocks and hazards that you really don't want to be buzzing around w/o the charts
10:30:09 <MrReach> I see that they are *FINALLY* beginning to publish the charts in freely downloadable electronic format
10:32:03 <MrReach> I'll be going to pick up the boat in a couple hours
10:32:23 <I440r> cool
10:32:33 <I440r> ull have her seaworthy by then ?
10:32:43 <MrReach> I look and looked and looked for an outdrive for the damn thing
10:32:48 <MrReach> finally found one
10:33:02 <MrReach> yes, it's pretty much sea worthy now
10:33:23 <MrReach> only needs horn to be completely legal
10:34:12 <MrReach> got all the PFDs, markers, etc
10:34:26 <MrReach> I'm wondering if it's worthwhile to build a mount for my laptop
10:34:46 <MrReach> laptops and salt water don't mix, though
10:37:53 <MrReach> brb, reboot
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10:44:16 <I440r> heh
10:47:54 <MrReach> my computer works *SO* much better when I use the tab key instead of the caps-lock key
10:51:13 <MrReach> HAHAHAHA!
10:51:52 <MrReach> these maps are PROVISIONAL ... three pages of disclaimers ... of all the damn places to map ... one of them is Dutch Harbor, Alaska
10:52:21 <MrReach> which is *REALLY* funny, because it's on Unalaska Island, which my family used to own
10:52:55 <MrReach> there's nothing there but a handful of very drunk indians and an abandoned military base
10:56:16 <oxygene> MrReach: and to what part does your family belong? drunk indians or abandoned militaries? ;)
10:56:20 <MrReach> nothing for puget sound, though ... will have to grab the paper ones in Seattle on my way through ... they're cheap
10:56:38 <MrReach> oxygene: insane ranchers, actually
10:57:02 <MrReach> we're long gone out of there
10:57:20 <MrReach> but it is where I was born
11:48:54 * Soap- wakes up.
11:49:03 <Soap-> Mornin' people.
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13:00:49 <I440r> soap- u still there ??? :)
13:00:54 <I440r> hi Stepan
13:03:17 <Soap-> Kinda... I'm making breakfast
13:04:52 <Stepan> hey I440r :-)
13:05:02 <I440r> breakfast ?
13:05:05 <I440r> where u from ?? :)
13:05:58 <I440r> nz :)
13:09:13 <Soap-> I'm fixing hot food because it's cold enough to reconfigure the anatomy of a brass monkey
13:09:18 <Soap-> The good ol' kiwi summer :/
13:09:39 <I440r> u know where that saying comes from ?
13:09:50 <I440r> "cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey"
13:09:52 <I440r> ???
13:09:58 <MrGone> I'm sure you'll tell us
13:10:02 <I440r> :)
13:10:08 <Soap-> Yeah :P
13:10:14 <I440r> brass monkey is a tripod used to store cannonballs
13:10:25 <I440r> when it gets cold enough the brass contracts and the balls fall off :P
13:10:39 <MrGone> didn't know that ... thanks
13:10:42 <Soap-> That's... useful to know 
13:10:45 <MrGone> civil war era?
13:10:47 <I440r> sure is!
13:10:58 <I440r> spanish amada eara
13:11:00 <I440r> ara
13:11:01 <I440r> grrr
13:11:11 <I440r> gawd i realy need to learn to type
13:11:12 <I440r> and spell
13:11:16 <I440r> spelling is secondary tho
13:11:59 <Soap-> What's the story with isforth.sourceforge.net ? links keep breaking
13:12:53 <I440r> i deleted the project
13:13:01 <Soap-> :(
13:13:08 <I440r> isforth is still alive
13:13:10 <I440r> im working on it
13:13:19 <I440r> but im starting to HATE sourceforge
13:13:30 <I440r> fucking impossible to contact any projects developers
13:13:52 <I440r> if you want to see a fairly recent working(ish) version
13:13:53 <I440r> dns me
13:13:58 <I440r> ftp in
13:14:03 <I440r> look in /pub
13:14:08 <Soap-> 'kay
13:14:10 <I440r> and get the feb 03 tgz
13:14:42 <I440r> sourceforge's site is as bad as the mirablis site
13:14:47 <I440r> fucking impossible to navigate
13:15:07 <I440r> if you are an end user and wish to contact a developer - you HAVE TO LOG IN
13:15:09 <I440r> fuck
13:15:11 <I440r> than
13:15:11 <I440r> that
13:15:22 <I440r> try joining #sourceforge here
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13:16:49 <Soap`> Humbug.
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13:18:04 <I440r> heh
13:40:12 <I440r> soap u downloaded isforth ?
13:51:28 <Soap`> Yup
13:51:52 <Soap`> Have to wait until I get my linux box working again before I can play with it :/
13:52:38 <I440r> are u a good forth coder ?
13:52:41 <I440r> beginner ?
13:52:52 <I440r> the sources are 99.9999999% asm btw
13:53:57 <Soap`> Not really... generally I just poke stuff to see what it does
13:54:05 <I440r> aha :)
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17:16:41 <magma> hi
17:16:59 <magma> bye
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17:17:58 <I440r> hi
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19:48:31 <ult> heyo!
19:54:36 <I440r> ULT@@@@@@@@
19:54:38 <I440r> dood!
19:54:41 <I440r> dns me
19:54:47 <I440r> ftp in
19:54:51 <I440r> look in /pub
19:54:56 <I440r> get the feb 03 isforth
19:55:03 <I440r> its a WORKING forth :)
19:55:13 <I440r> tho - not quite complete
19:55:14 <I440r> :)
19:55:32 <I440r> the "broken" tgz is my attempt to seperate out code space and head space
19:55:43 <I440r> either there is a problem with the linker
19:55:51 <I440r> or the way linux loads elf modules
19:55:55 <I440r> because 
19:56:06 <I440r> looking at the list file everything is right
19:56:20 <I440r> load isforth into gdb and look at where "last" points to
19:56:29 <I440r> it points off to some unknown location
19:56:43 <I440r> which causes isforth to segfault the instant it has to search its dictionary
19:56:49 <I440r> i need to fix this
19:57:00 <I440r> if its a bug in ld or the kernel... it HAS to be fixed
19:57:39 <I440r> i realy need someon with more linux savvy to tell me its MY code thats fscked
19:57:49 <I440r> from what i can tell - my code is solid
19:58:00 <I440r> all the pointers point to the correct location
19:58:06 <I440r> until i RUN the code
19:58:50 <I440r> any chance i could get u to help out ???
19:58:57 <ult> dude
19:59:00 <ult> i am running in circles
19:59:26 <ult> i will look at your code sometime tho
19:59:36 <ult> (like later tonight)
19:59:39 <I440r> cool
19:59:49 <I440r> grab the feb03 and the broken
20:00:04 <I440r> feb03 was the last working version - i midified it into the broken version heh
20:00:12 <I440r> you can do things like
20:00:22 <I440r> ./isforth : constant create , does> @ ;
20:00:37 <I440r> and isforth interprets your tail and you now have that definition in the dictionary hehe
20:00:42 <I440r> say "words" and see it there
20:00:47 <I440r> on the feb03 that is
20:00:55 <I440r> neway where u been :P
20:01:06 <I440r> HOW u been :)
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20:09:20 <I440r> ult r u there dood ?
20:09:32 <I440r> couled u ftp in now - look later but get now ?
20:18:42 <ult> tryin'
20:18:48 <I440r> ok
20:18:57 <ult> i've been really busy
20:18:57 <ult> still am
20:18:58 <I440r> dns me - im on a realy shitty dial in tho
20:19:05 <ult> have enough time to get a few lines in every so often
20:19:14 <I440r> what u been doing ?
20:19:16 <I440r> u got a job ?
20:19:19 <I440r> gimme a job!!!
20:19:42 <ult> dude
20:19:45 <ult> why is it 700k
20:21:17 <I440r> the feb 03 tgz has the required nasm inside
20:21:21 <I440r> the broken tgz doesnt 
20:21:26 <I440r> its just the sources
20:21:33 <I440r> you cant assemble this with the official nasm
20:21:41 <I440r> the official nasm is too fucked in the head 
20:21:48 <I440r> its seriously b0rken
20:22:00 <I440r> and you can quote me on that
20:23:59 <ult> got it
20:24:54 <I440r> cool
20:24:57 <I440r> broken too ?
20:28:37 <ult> still downloading 03
20:28:53 <ult> which official nasm>
20:29:08 <ult> NASM version 0.98.08
20:29:13 <ult> is this b0rked?
20:29:38 <I440r> the 03 works
20:29:45 <I440r> official nasm WILL NOT WORK
20:29:51 <I440r> it has to be 98e
20:29:57 <I440r> has %xdefine
20:30:29 <I440r> broken - is almost identical to feb03 but i changed the mcros to put headers in a seperate section
20:30:36 <I440r> changed find to accomodate etc
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20:54:32 <I440r> wb
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21:20:19 --- quit: ult_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
22:36:04 --- quit: I440r ("Reality Strikes Again")
22:54:34 --- join: ult_ (~saturn@149.149.200.56) joined #forth
23:17:59 --- quit: ult_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
23:19:01 --- join: ult_ (~saturn@149.149.200.56) joined #forth
23:19:14 --- nick: ult_ -> ult
23:19:16 <ult> fudge.
23:47:12 --- quit: ult (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/02.02.05