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11:13:46 <I440r> meep meep!
11:13:48 <futhin> hihihihihihihihihiihihihihihihihihihihihih
11:13:53 <I440r> hmmm i think ill invent a new sort of forth word
11:13:56 <MrReach> hihi!
11:14:04 <I440r> sort of the opposite of an immedite word
11:14:19 <I440r> something that compiles even in interpret mode!!!!
11:14:24 <MrReach> check the definition of POSTPONE first
11:14:24 <I440r> heh
11:14:32 <MrReach> you might be reinventing the wheel.
11:14:38 <I440r> remind me about postpone
11:14:52 <MrReach> heh, I'll cut and paste for you 
11:15:00 <I440r> i was being funny btw :P
11:15:05 * MrReach glares at the bots, just for good measure
11:15:20 <I440r> they arent opped - ur safe :)
11:15:29 <I440r> actualy futhin make the bots NOT kick on flood
11:15:40 <I440r> i have issues with AI's enforcing channel polacy
11:15:47 <futhin> eh?
11:15:52 <futhin> the bot does that?
11:15:57 <I440r> dunno
11:16:00 <I440r> does it ?
11:16:01 <MrReach>         Interpretation: Interpretation semantics for this word are undefined.
11:16:01 <MrReach>         Compilation: ( "<spaces>name" -- )
11:16:01 <MrReach> Skip leading space delimiters. Parse name delimited by a space. Find name. Append the compilation
11:16:01 <MrReach> semantics of name to the current definition. An ambiguous condition exists if name is not found. 
11:16:32 <MrReach> and now the appendix entry ...
11:16:40 <futhin> which bot?  chanserv? or somethign else?
11:17:01 <I440r> oh hehe i forgot chanserv was in here - i dont thing chanserv kicks on flood
11:17:14 <MrReach> Typical use: 
11:17:15 <MrReach> : ENDIF  POSTPONE THEN ;  IMMEDIATE
11:17:15 <MrReach> : X  ... IF ... ENDIF ... ;
11:17:35 <MrReach> ...
11:17:36 <MrReach> POSTPONE replaces most of the functionality of COMPILE and [COMPILE]. COMPILE and [COMPILE] are used
11:17:36 <MrReach> for the same purpose: postpone the compilation behavior of the next word in the parse area. COMPILE was
11:17:36 <MrReach> designed to be applied to non-immediate words and [COMPILE] to immediate words. This burdens the
11:17:36 <MrReach> programmer with needing to know which words in a system are immediate. Consequently, Forth standards
11:17:53 <MrReach> have had to specify the immediacy or non-immediacy of all words covered by the Standard. This
11:17:53 <MrReach> unnecessarily constrains implementors. 
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11:18:33 <MrReach> A second problem with COMPILE is that some programmers have come to expect and exploit a particular
11:18:33 <MrReach> implementation, namely: 
11:18:33 <MrReach>         :  COMPILE  R>  DUP  @  ,  CELL+  >R  ;
11:18:33 <MrReach> This implementation will not work on native code Forth systems. In a native code Forth using inline code
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11:18:40 <I440r> ok - so postpone compiles the word weather its immediate or not ?
11:19:07 <futhin> i440r: nobody gets opped..  only ppl in the access list and chanserv get op.. anybody else opped gets deopped by chanserv..
11:19:10 <MrReach> roughly, yes
11:19:54 <I440r> btw i invented a new forth word - im using it in my compile include
11:19:57 <I440r> its called param
11:20:06 <I440r> it does...
11:20:25 <I440r> : param r> dup 4+ >r ;
11:20:30 <I440r> but its done as a coded def heh
11:20:38 <MrReach> right
11:20:39 <I440r> : compile param , ;
11:20:49 <MrReach> most forths called that "dovar"
11:21:04 <I440r> uygh
11:21:08 <I440r> thats a shitty name
11:21:12 <I440r> we already have dovariable
11:21:18 <MrReach> or perhaps (var)
11:21:27 <I440r> param or parameter
11:21:32 <I440r> less confusion
11:21:46 <MrReach> the problem with that is that the size is fixed at one cell
11:22:04 <I440r> i was sure i didnt invent it - its way too obvious - but fpc never had it and thats where my experience is heh
11:22:08 <I440r> i dont use cell
11:22:15 <I440r> isforth is for x86
11:22:17 <I440r> its 32 bits
11:22:25 <I440r> the cell size is a KNOWN
11:22:33 <MrReach> arg! ok ... it has fixed size parameter field
11:22:45 <I440r> and i refuse to make the KERNEL portable
11:22:53 <I440r> tho. actually
11:22:59 <I440r> porting it would be a breeze
11:23:07 <MrReach> heh, I don't even think in bits anymore ...
11:23:08 <I440r> the only linux specific stuff is in linux.1
11:23:21 <MrReach> I now think in bytes, words, and cells
11:23:45 <MrReach> a "long" in C terminology
11:23:49 <I440r> thats another thing - the programming community is now calling a WORD 32 bits
11:23:53 <I440r> thats fucked up
11:24:00 <I440r> so a byte is 16 bits now ??? heh
11:24:01 <I440r> its 
11:24:09 <I440r> byte, word, dword
11:24:17 <MrReach> I always get borked when I see "long long", though ... which is occuring more frequently now
11:24:28 <I440r> long long ?
11:24:47 <MrReach> "long long" is the C terminology for a 64 bit signed integer
11:24:58 <MrReach> bizarre, eh?
11:25:33 <MrReach> no, you must have misunderstood my thoughts ...
11:25:33 <I440r> ugh
11:25:52 <MrReach> byte = 8 bits, word = 16 bits, cell = 32 bits
11:26:07 <MrReach> now what will I call a 64 bit entity?
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11:26:52 <KelvinW> hi! :)
11:26:58 <MrReach> do you think a microcomputer's internal addressing will ever be more than 32 bits?
11:27:03 <MrReach> greets, KelvinW
11:27:12 <I440r> ugh hehe byte = 8 bits, word - 16 bits, cell = depends on where you are :P
11:27:14 <MrReach> sorry, meant external addressing
11:27:27 <I440r> hmmm
11:27:30 <I440r> i doubt it 
11:27:46 <I440r> at lest - not for 4 or 5 years :P
11:27:57 <I440r> who needs a gazillion gigs of ram ?
11:28:13 <MrReach> well, that's rather what I said in the 80s
11:28:26 <I440r> were getting close to that with the size of programs these days but were not quite there
11:28:28 <MrReach> and look what MS and Apple did to us?
11:28:53 <I440r> bill gates "640k aughta be ennuff for anyone"  <-- most inteligent thing he ever said
11:29:11 <futhin> too bad he doesn't listen to himself
11:29:15 <I440r> ya
11:29:17 <I440r> btw
11:29:22 * MrReach grins.
11:29:25 <I440r> i have a problem with isforth
11:29:31 <MrReach> now what?
11:29:37 <I440r> : test  true 0 do cr i . loop ;
11:29:44 <I440r> this takes up 30% of my processor
11:29:45 <MrReach> ack!
11:29:50 <MrReach> it should!
11:30:06 <futhin> lol
11:30:22 <I440r> so if im running ANY program compiled in forth will THAT take up 30% of my processor ?
11:30:29 <MrReach> not at all
11:30:43 <I440r> well im hoping not
11:30:53 <MrReach> nearly all processes are "sleeping" ... waiting for i/o with the "select" system call
11:30:59 <I440r> because otherwise im going to have to cripple my kernel by doing sleeps
11:31:08 <I440r> but im not using select in isforth
11:31:18 <MrReach> so nearly all clocks go to those progs NOT waiting on something
11:31:21 <I440r> and the only place the kernel might use select is for key and ?key
11:31:24 <MrReach> so nearly all clocks go to those progs NOT waiting on something
11:31:29 <I440r> ohhh wait!!!!!!!
11:31:30 <I440r> heh
11:31:35 <I440r> im still in the kernel
11:31:44 <MrReach> try starting 6 of those in 6 different terms
11:31:47 <I440r> applications will be using all kindsa selects etc :)
11:31:53 <I440r> 6 of test ?
11:32:03 <MrReach> and THEN see how much processor they each consume
11:32:16 <I440r> is the linux kernel preemptive ?
11:32:32 <MrReach> test is taking 30% of your processor because nothing much else is running
11:32:37 <I440r> or - do i have to share it manuallhy
11:32:41 <MrReach> yes, it is
11:32:45 <I440r> ok!
11:32:49 <I440r> then theres no panic heh
11:32:54 <I440r> i did a test
11:33:05 <I440r> i put in the absolute minimum sleep i could
11:33:14 <I440r> and it realy realy slows me down :P
11:33:38 <I440r> there are some things that are broken in isforth - but working - they are just wrong
11:33:44 <MrReach> try running six copies in in processes and see what happens
11:33:56 <I440r> im trying to fix those now... branch and ?branch are All fucked upo
11:34:11 <I440r> tottally the wrong sense on both
11:34:15 <MrReach> the six copies, together, should consume about 30% of your processing power
11:34:23 <MrReach> which means each will use about 5%
11:34:24 <I440r> ill try that later :)
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11:34:34 <I440r> ki kel
11:34:36 <I440r> hi
11:34:37 <I440r> even 
11:34:46 <MrReach> yeah, branch and 0branch are complicated that way
11:34:48 <I440r> u a forth coder ?
11:34:51 <I440r> argh he left
11:34:56 <MrReach> he just left, not arrived
11:35:17 <I440r> yea - funny how i dont notice him till he left :P
11:35:20 <MrReach> that's why I think "0branch" is a better name
11:35:45 <MrReach> more intuitive
11:35:46 <I440r> no. ?branch branches on false
11:35:55 <I440r> just because false is 0....
11:36:07 <I440r> its not confuzing realy when u look at if .... then
11:36:14 <I440r> you branch if the flag is false
11:36:20 <MrReach> the "?" doesn't really indicate the sense like "0" does
11:36:55 <I440r> but isnt 0branch already defined as branching on true ???
11:36:56 <I440r> heh
11:37:06 <MrReach> intuitively, one thinks "IF true do this"
11:37:18 <I440r> yes
11:37:21 <MrReach> which is the opposite of how the internal branch works
11:37:57 <I440r> correct
11:37:59 <futhin> i just tend to think of it as:  <true?> IF      <do stuff>  THEN  where the IF and THEN are end statements..
11:38:03 <I440r> but - thas forth for you heh
11:38:04 <MrReach> perhaps even "?skip" would be a better name
11:38:28 <I440r> that would annoy alot of existing forht coders heh
11:38:40 <MrReach> because it tends to agree with how people tend to think about flag words
11:38:49 <I440r> i like ?branch and 0branch (where 0branch branches on true :)
11:39:00 <MrReach> these are internal words, not for public sale
11:39:08 <I440r> correct
11:39:11 <I440r> hmm
11:39:22 <I440r> im wondering if branch, ?branch etc should be headerless
11:39:38 <MrReach> feel free to call it "redheadedbastardchild" if you want
11:39:42 <I440r> would make it difficult for someone to make NEW constructs
11:40:12 <MrReach> no, they certainly shouldn't be headerless
11:40:27 <MrReach> but the headers should be discarded when the compiler is discarded
11:40:56 <MrReach> I've got to go now.
11:41:00 <MrReach> I'm late as it is
11:41:15 <I440r> l8er dood!
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11:41:56 <futhin> hmm, i want somebody to tell me why C/C++ sucks :P
11:42:12 <futhin> i440r: have you looked at Joy?
11:43:36 <I440r> nope
11:43:45 <I440r> still trying to get my head arround forth hehe
11:44:41 <futhin> heh
11:44:48 <futhin> that's sad :P
11:47:06 <I440r> heh
11:47:52 <futhin> i440r: what languages do you know besides Forth?
11:49:05 <I440r> c and asm
11:49:12 <I440r> what else is there ?
11:49:30 <futhin> heh
11:49:30 <I440r> i code forth and asm and script a little c :)
11:49:37 <I440r> every now and again hehe
11:50:08 <futhin> there are other languages out there..  i'm interested in learning at least one language from every different paradigm.   lisp, smalltalk, prolog/mercury, haskell, etc..
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11:50:29 <I440r> hi koft
11:50:31 <I440r> u a forth coder ?
11:50:33 <koft> hey there
11:50:37 <koft> sometimes
11:50:41 <I440r> :)
11:50:51 <I440r> im writing an x86 forth for linux
11:50:56 <koft> senior developers often bash me for it
11:50:58 <I440r> its under devel but working
11:51:03 <koft> cool
11:51:18 <koft> i've been working on my own forth like language on x86
11:51:22 <I440r> thats because they are crippled by "modern" coding practices
11:51:47 <I440r> isforth is written in 100% assembler (till i get a meta compiler working)
11:51:47 * koft doesnt code in c++
11:51:50 <I440r> and uses syscalls
11:51:55 <futhin> koft: what languages do you know?
11:51:57 <I440r> i dont code c++ or ANY oop shit
11:52:36 <koft> c, basic, forth, pascal, php, x86 assembler, perl, etc
11:53:23 <futhin> basic and pascal don't count :P
11:53:32 <I440r> hehe
11:53:38 <I440r> neither does c :P
11:53:38 <koft> cmon
11:53:46 <futhin> i know c/c++, asm, forth.  not counting pascal and basic
11:54:08 * koft likes to eat and often vb is part of the process
11:54:19 <I440r> kroft - how much of a forth/asm expert would you call yourself ?
11:55:13 <koft> not much of a forth expert and not much of an assembler expert either
11:55:22 <I440r> heh
11:55:38 <koft> theres always lots to learn
11:55:39 <I440r> dns me - ftp to my address and get the sources for isforth 
11:56:00 <koft> cool
11:56:20 <I440r> its not a fuly working compiler yet heh
11:56:28 <I440r> but its starting to be :)
11:56:52 <koft> anonymous user?
11:57:40 <I440r> ya
11:57:47 <I440r> im on a crappy dial in tho :(
11:57:54 <I440r> so it will take a cpl of minutes to download
11:58:25 <koft> you wrote all this in nasm compat assembler?
11:58:33 <I440r> yes
11:58:42 <I440r> with macros to create headers for : definitions etc
11:58:59 <I440r> the nasm assembler is included in that tggz
11:59:07 <I440r> u need the unofficial 98e version
11:59:07 <I440r> or it wont work
11:59:19 <I440r> because the official version is buggy
11:59:23 <I440r> its cirppled 
11:59:31 <I440r> %define x 2
11:59:36 <I440r> $define y x
11:59:40 <I440r> %define x 3
11:59:44 <I440r> whats he value of y ?
11:59:47 <I440r> 3
11:59:47 <I440r> ugh
12:00:06 <I440r> thats supposed to gbe %define y x heh
12:00:08 <koft> cool
12:00:23 <I440r> y is defined as a POINTER to x
12:00:26 <I440r> so if you change x
12:00:26 <I440r> you change y
12:00:36 <I440r> with has absolutely NO fucking usefull application ANYWHERE
12:00:41 <I440r> because
12:00:46 <I440r> if you make the above defines
12:00:57 <I440r> anywhere you use y - x is just as applicable
12:01:04 <I440r> anywhere you use x - y is just as applicable
12:01:09 <I440r> so,... wtf is the point
12:01:17 <I440r> you should be able to 
12:01:28 <I440r> %define x some valye
12:01:32 <koft> strangeness
12:01:32 <I440r> %defin y x  save value of x
12:01:43 <I440r> %define x some new value
12:01:48 <I440r> %define x y restore x
12:01:57 <I440r> but you cannot do this in the official version of nasm
12:02:06 <I440r> 98e however has %xdefine which fixes this
12:02:08 <koft> i was palyin around with color forth the other day, now thats some extream shit right there
12:02:25 <futhin> heh
12:02:32 <I440r> ive never looked at it but i doubt i would like it
12:02:34 <futhin> i tried to figure out how to code in color forth
12:02:42 <futhin> didn't really figure it out tho
12:02:48 <futhin> i440r: why not?  chuck moore is god!
12:02:49 <koft> me either, it's a bitch
12:02:56 <I440r> theres a hero worship thing i have about chucky but there are SOME things he does that HE considers good but I consider bad
12:03:00 <I440r> clever - but bad
12:03:05 <koft> and there no back space key from what i could tell so if you foo bar a line you get to retype it
12:03:15 <futhin> koft: i might be able to figure it out now..  after i learned from the pygmy tutor
12:03:22 <I440r> hehe even isforth has backspace!
12:03:24 <koft> and to think, i ripped out most of the keys onm my keyboard for nohing...
12:03:30 <I440r> doesnt work 100% correctly yet but - it works heh
12:03:33 <I440r> you cant do
12:03:35 <futhin> color forth is completely different than isforth.  not comparable
12:03:47 <I440r> : stuff blah blah [cursor here] blah blah  
12:03:50 <I440r> and hit backspace
12:03:58 <koft> does your forth allow self modifying code?
12:04:07 <I440r> it HAS to
12:04:19 <I440r> : constant create , ;uses doconstant ;
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12:04:30 <I440r> the ;uses patches the newly created word to use doconstant instead of dovariable
12:04:33 <I440r> so 
12:04:40 <I440r> code space HAS to be writable
12:05:09 <koft> cool
12:05:13 <I440r> hehe linus would do his NUT if he saw that heh
12:05:25 <koft> i havent done much usefull stuff with forth
12:05:38 <koft> mostly cgi's for web pages
12:06:32 <koft> people dont like forth for thee same reason rpn calculators arent popular i think
12:06:43 <koft> not my fault people are stupid
12:06:52 <I440r> heh
12:06:54 <koft> personally ti calcs confuse the shit out of me
12:06:55 <I440r> its like this
12:07:07 <I440r> forth is difficult to learn at first
12:07:12 <I440r> but get progressivly easier
12:07:26 <I440r> teh "difficult at first" seperates teh wheat from the chaffe
12:07:33 <I440r> c is very easy to learn
12:07:37 <I440r> any fucking idiot can code c
12:07:39 <I440r> but 
12:07:49 <I440r> c is very very veyr (a few more) difficult to code well
12:07:50 <I440r> so
12:08:00 <I440r> 99% of all c code is fucked up realy bad example code
12:08:04 <koft> some of the c i've seen isnt exactly what i would call "code"
12:08:11 <I440r> so any new coder coming along has some crappy examples to learn by
12:08:16 <koft> maybe coded
12:08:29 <I440r> you should work as a contractor and see some of the shit i have to deal with heh
12:08:32 <koft> theyres simply too many rules in c and especially c++
12:08:51 <I440r>  int i = 4;
12:08:57 <I440r>  int j - i++ + ++i;
12:09:07 <I440r> after running that
12:09:08 <I440r> i = 6
12:09:11 <I440r> j = unknown
12:09:20 <I440r> thats j =
12:09:22 <I440r> not j -
12:09:24 <I440r> grrr
12:09:31 <I440r> mental note (must learn to type)
12:10:06 <koft> who the hell would put something like that in a program?
12:10:12 <koft> you'd have to be smoking crack
12:10:31 <I440r> its unlikely that anyonen would do so
12:10:39 <I440r> but its a prime example of how fucked up c is
12:11:01 <I440r> printf (scanf(....) ) 
12:11:02 <I440r> ugh
12:11:18 <I440r> you can REALY make a mess of c
12:11:22 <I440r> if (x = 1)
12:11:31 <I440r>  400 lines of code
12:11:36 <I440r> ugh ive seen that
12:11:45 <I440r> ive seen a 40 case switch statement
12:11:57 <I440r> where each case was a 40 case switch statement
12:11:57 <koft> you gotta love how c programmers put shit loads of code in one function
12:12:15 <I440r> thats because correct factoring of c code slows it down even more :P
12:12:19 <koft> at my last job people bitch at me all the time cause my c programs had shit loads of functions
12:12:29 <I440r> haha
12:12:36 <I440r> did you try explain it to them ?
12:12:37 <I440r> i men
12:12:44 <koft> fuck i dont care if it's slower, relibility is more important in most cases
12:12:46 <I440r> the reason why you factored your code properly ?
12:12:50 <I440r> agreed
12:13:00 <I440r> i dont even like optimizing compilers
12:13:02 <koft> if i need raw speed on something i'm not gonna write it in c
12:13:15 <I440r> ! (ligh bulb)
12:13:31 <I440r> ppl are scared of assembler these days
12:13:37 <I440r> "its hard to code and not portable"
12:13:38 <I440r> erm
12:13:41 <koft> it's all the cs kiddies who learned java in college
12:13:55 <I440r> how many different architectures are you goig to be running that embedded app on might i ask?"
12:14:01 <I440r> hehe
12:14:05 * koft is proud to be a high school dropout
12:14:16 <I440r> my normal rate of pay is about $40 to $70 per hour
12:14:22 <I440r> i have absolutely NO degree what so ever
12:14:27 <koft> nice
12:14:27 <I440r> actually
12:14:34 <I440r> right not i have no JOB what so ever :P
12:14:34 * koft is lookin for work at the moment
12:14:39 <I440r> me too
12:14:46 <I440r> u do consulting ?
12:14:47 <I440r> ever ?
12:14:49 <koft> i got laid off right before christmas
12:14:57 <I440r> i work anywhere in the us of a
12:15:05 <I440r> east podunk idaho one day
12:15:10 <I440r> las vegas nevada the next
12:15:18 <koft> i made the mistake of spending 8 months in ottawa
12:15:22 <I440r> new jersey (only if they pay me at least $80 per hour)
12:15:24 <koft> i'm in nj now
12:15:33 <koft> central nj
12:15:36 <I440r> holiday ?
12:15:44 <I440r> i had 2 contracts in NJ so far
12:15:45 <koft> nope, live here
12:15:52 <I440r> mahwah nj - armpit of the universe
12:16:16 <I440r> then in monmoth (or is it monmouth) 
12:16:25 <I440r> i live in indiana
12:16:31 <I440r> they let me carry a gun here
12:16:41 <koft> lol
12:16:45 * koft hates NJ
12:16:46 <I440r> and i dont even need it here
12:16:47 <koft> i'm from NC
12:16:51 <I440r> i would need it in nj tho
12:16:59 <koft> nah
12:17:03 <koft> no reason for phear
12:17:05 <I440r> nc is ok - i worked in charlotte for a while
12:17:12 <I440r> but the road systems there are afu
12:17:13 <koft> charlotte is a nice city
12:17:23 <I440r> ur driving down the right hand lane like ur supposed to
12:17:26 <I440r> and all of a sudden
12:17:29 <I440r> its an exit lane
12:17:30 <I440r> so
12:17:35 <I440r> u drive down the fast lane
12:17:35 <koft> lol
12:17:44 <koft> drive slower and you;d see that
12:17:45 <I440r> and all of a sudden some people are merging into it from the left
12:17:53 <I440r> ugh
12:18:02 <I440r> now THAT is totally fucked up!!!!
12:18:24 <I440r> in vegas they 
12:18:26 <I440r> stop for red
12:18:34 <I440r> speed up on yellow
12:18:34 <koft> nice assembler code there
12:18:40 <I440r> slow down on green in case it changes
12:18:56 <I440r> tnx
12:19:06 <I440r> in indiana
12:19:08 <koft> people are all polite and shit in ottawa canada, they get the fuck out of your way when you ride their ass
12:19:21 <I440r> they have it almost right
12:19:23 <I440r> ceopt
12:19:33 <I440r> when it changes to green they drag their ass for 400 yards
12:19:35 <I440r> then floor it
12:19:46 <koft> lol
12:19:46 <I440r> tailgating is dangerous
12:19:50 <I440r> i wouldnt suggest you tailgate me
12:20:02 <I440r> i slam on my breaks for a split second when ppl do that to me :)
12:20:10 <I440r> scares the shit outa them heh
12:20:20 <I440r> had a truck do it to me once
12:20:33 <koft> rofl
12:20:33 <I440r> i was doing 80 and he was right on my ass
12:20:36 <I440r> 3 lanes
12:20:38 <I440r> only us there
12:20:53 <I440r> i was tempted to put 2 slugs in his radiator and make a citizens arrest
12:21:00 <koft> lol
12:21:10 <I440r> but i was almost home so i let it pass
12:21:15 <I440r> but THAT is dangerous
12:21:26 <I440r> his vehicle is far more dangerous a weapon than my gun
12:21:29 * koft never rides any bodys ass, but all his friends do
12:22:04 <koft> i've never done much consulting work
12:22:14 <koft> always been for local places
12:22:17 <I440r> i like it
12:22:25 <I440r> if they fire u - u just get a new contract
12:22:46 <I440r> you cant expect any company to be loayl to you these days anyway
12:22:46 <koft> bein here in NJ is pretty shitty for me cause i cant even drive here yet, failed my written drivers test here on my lisence transfer
12:22:50 <I440r> even if you are loyal to them
12:23:06 <koft> nj is full of analy people
12:23:10 <I440r> did they take ur nc licence away ??? heh
12:23:30 <I440r> yea
12:23:36 <I440r> when i was in nj i didnt have a car
12:23:40 <I440r> i used a bike to get to work
12:23:51 <I440r> most ppl on a bike hug the edge of the road
12:23:57 <koft> yeah, last place told me how great a job i was doing and how they needed me to finish up this one project really bad by an insainley early time, and i got it done, and they laid me off without any warning 1 week befor christmas 
12:24:02 <I440r> if u do that in nj cars go by you at 40 mph with only inches to spare
12:24:26 <koft> i still have my nc lisence, but i need an nj one to get insurance here
12:24:33 <I440r> so i rode my bike RIGHT DOWN THE FUCKING MIDDLE OF THE ROAD
12:24:44 <I440r> make them fuckers swing out to pass you
12:25:03 <I440r> i you make me drift left they always give you at least 3 feet of room when they pass instead of 3 inches
12:25:09 <koft> i wouldnt ride my bike in the middle of the road here, somebody will hit you on purpose and drive off leave ya for dead
12:25:28 <I440r> where in ng are u ?
12:25:38 <I440r> nj drivers are all assanine
12:25:39 <koft> Sommerville
12:25:49 <I440r> how come u moved there ?
12:25:51 <koft> Like 45min from nyc i think
12:26:15 <koft> Either stay here in NJ or chill *brrr* in Alberta Canada or go back down to NC
12:26:26 <koft> nothing happeneing in NC
12:26:32 <koft> And alberta is too cold
12:27:02 <koft> I figured there would be a lot of opportunity here
12:27:08 <I440r> heh
12:27:11 <koft> guess i was wrong though
12:27:18 <koft> been here bout a month and havent found shit
12:27:25 <I440r> theres little opportuinty anywhere these days
12:27:33 <I440r> almost 6 months here :(
12:27:46 <koft> 6months with no work?
12:28:26 <I440r> yup
12:28:37 <I440r> and i have a house i just baught too :P
12:28:55 <koft> holey shit
12:28:59 <I440r> http://i440r.bilk.wrox.org  <-- i think i got that url right
12:29:31 <koft> it's not poppin up
12:29:39 <I440r> hrm hang on
12:29:53 <koft> not resolvin
12:30:31 <I440r> try blik not bilk
12:32:09 <koft> ):
12:33:18 <I440r> not working ?
12:33:26 <koft> nope
12:33:36 <I440r> hrm 
12:33:37 <I440r> well
12:33:45 <I440r> i cant remember the url hehe
12:34:00 <I440r> its in the bookmarks of the other box :P
12:34:38 <koft> so how is your forth different from g forth?
12:36:37 <I440r> erm
12:36:40 <I440r> isnt gforth written in c ?
12:36:45 <I440r> or with a c wrapper ?
12:37:01 <I440r> and besides - g is ans - i refuse to recognise ans as a standard :P
12:37:14 <I440r> can gforth totally metacompile itself ?
12:37:19 <I440r> i dont think so!
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12:38:03 <I440r> kh!!!
12:39:43 <kholmes> !!
12:42:42 <I440r> heh
12:43:48 <koft> i totally beleive in writing languages that have the copacity to rewrite them selves
12:44:26 <I440r> isforth will have a meta compiler eventually
12:44:40 <I440r> right now tho the assembler is more important
12:44:44 <koft> in the language i'm designing this is fundamental
12:44:56 <koft> because only a small fraction of the language is coded in another language
12:45:09 <koft> and it recursively builds upon itself
12:47:31 <I440r> recursivly ?
12:47:32 <I440r> erm
12:47:35 <I440r> explain that part
12:47:43 <I440r> recursion is an abomination imho
12:48:42 <kholmes> not tail recursion
12:49:11 <kholmes> its the same, machine-wise, as a goto loop
12:49:27 <kholmes> but is more expressive
12:50:55 <I440r> wel recursion is just some fancy shmancy way of doing loops
12:51:09 <I440r> so - why do all that stack bashing when you can just LOOP for chirst sake :P
12:51:16 <I440r> i never use "recursion"
12:51:29 <I440r> show me a recursive algorithm to solve any problem
12:51:36 <I440r> ill show you an itterative one that works better
12:56:01 <kholmes> sure
12:56:20 <kholmes> but often its harder to come up with the iterative alternative
12:56:44 <I440r> said that to a friend of mine in undernet # coders and he said "okk - how would you improve this"
12:56:53 <I440r> he had a game that was sort of like connect 4
12:57:01 <kholmes> so when machine speed isn't so important, the recursive form will do
12:57:09 <I440r> but any time u connected blocks they all went away
12:57:15 <I440r> any 4connected regeon would disappear
12:57:24 <I440r> he was using a recursive method to find connected blocks hehe
12:57:39 <I440r> i sent him my itterative regeon flood fill altorithm hehe
12:57:47 <I440r> no
12:58:02 <I440r> because recursive methods are less simple than itterative methods
12:58:15 <I440r> unless its a realy realy relay simple problem
12:58:22 <kholmes> thats untrue for all but the simplest cases
12:58:27 <I440r> in which case using recursion still doesnt help
12:58:43 <I440r> recursion is never the best solution
12:58:55 <I440r> look at the quick sort
12:58:55 <kholmes> best is a subjective word
12:59:06 <I440r> a very badly named sorth
12:59:32 <I440r> anywhere you see a quick sort called for
12:59:33 <kholmes> I was told that quick sort is the best overall sorting algorithm
12:59:37 <I440r> use a shell sort
12:59:42 <I440r> erm
12:59:45 <I440r> bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12:59:48 <I440r> absolute bullshit
12:59:51 <I440r> if you need speed
13:00:00 <I440r> i would go for a radix counting sort
13:00:08 <I440r> that is the fastest sort i have ever seen
13:00:09 <kholmes> hmm
13:00:19 <kholmes> I haven't heard of these sorts
13:00:20 <I440r> its weird too because it doesnt compare any items to any others
13:00:26 <I440r> but its an out of place sort
13:00:29 <I440r> ok well 
13:00:35 <I440r> the radix part of it is basicaly this
13:00:45 <I440r> sort on each digit of the unsorted data seperatly
13:00:56 <I440r> its a huristic
13:01:03 <I440r> it slows you down
13:01:04 <I440r> but
13:01:04 <kholmes> okay
13:01:23 <I440r> if you tried to do a counting sort on 32 bit data without it you would need about 5 gigs of memory hehe
13:01:41 <I440r> with the radix huristic u need 512 bytes
13:01:52 <I440r> erm - dns me and try http to that
13:01:57 <I440r> look under my code
13:02:00 <I440r> and sorting methods
13:02:12 <I440r> i did 4 sorts
13:02:30 <I440r> shell is about as fast as a quick sort but it is an itterative method, not recursive
13:02:33 <I440r> so is better
13:02:55 <I440r> shuttle sort is only slightly better than a bubble sort
13:03:11 <I440r> heap sort is faster than the shell (supprised me)
13:03:11 <I440r> and 
13:03:18 <I440r> fastest of all is the radix counting sort
13:03:28 <I440r> the counting sort first counts how many of each item you have
13:03:31 <kholmes> I get a placeholder page
13:03:36 <I440r> oh
13:03:37 <I440r> fuck
13:03:47 <I440r> grrr
13:03:58 <I440r> fuckingn update of apache fucking reset it :P
13:04:14 <I440r> nevermind ill fix that later - its not important realy - im not on a perm connection no more :(
13:04:17 <I440r> neway
13:04:39 <kholmes> what data did you sort?
13:04:41 <I440r> counting sort counts each item and calculates their relative position in the sorted buffer
13:04:49 <I440r> just 16 bit items
13:04:50 <I440r> hang on
13:04:55 <I440r> maybe i can dcc you the source
13:05:03 <kholmes> in forth?
13:05:45 <I440r> no
13:05:47 <I440r> x86 asm
13:05:49 <I440r> for dos he
13:07:09 <kholmes> oh
13:07:14 <kholmes> I don't know asm
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13:07:34 <I440r> oh
13:07:36 <I440r> ok :)
13:07:39 <I440r> go learn it :P hehe
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13:08:24 <kholmes> common
13:08:40 <kholmes> I'm learning lisp and java now
13:08:47 <kholmes> maybe later
13:09:10 <I440r> ugh
13:09:13 <I440r> java ???
13:09:17 <I440r> i should kick ban you hehehe
13:09:43 <I440r> "dont worry about initializing variables, the compiler will do this for you"
13:09:44 <I440r> ugh
13:09:44 <I440r> heh
13:09:49 <kholmes> oh
13:09:53 <I440r> hehe
13:10:03 <kholmes> java is a college class
13:10:14 <kholmes> only programming class they are offering right now
13:10:24 <kholmes> well...I think I could have taken VB
13:10:50 <I440r> vb is almost a programming language
13:10:55 <I440r> java certainly isnt :
13:10:57 <I440r> :P
13:10:58 <I440r> heh
13:11:06 <I440r> but hey if it gets u credits :)
13:12:52 <kholmes> I've always heard the reverse
13:13:12 <I440r> actually, neither of them counts as coding
13:13:13 <kholmes> sure you're not thinking of javascript?
13:13:17 <I440r> they are both scripting languages
13:13:24 <I440r> java, javascrippt
13:13:25 <kholmes> are not
13:13:25 <I440r> same diff
13:13:44 <kholmes> java is compiled
13:14:10 <I440r> so ?
13:14:13 <I440r> so can bash be
13:14:18 <I440r> its still a scripting language
13:15:03 <I440r> brb
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13:17:12 <I440r> had to start x so i could ddd isforth :)
13:17:17 <I440r> ddd - gotta love it :P
13:18:11 <kholmes> heh
13:18:15 <kholmes> never used it
13:19:07 <I440r> u dun wanna
13:22:50 <I440r> brb
13:22:52 <I440r> debuggin
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15:06:54 <I440r> hi kel :)
15:07:14 <KelvinW> hi again ;)
15:07:21 <I440r> :)
15:07:32 <I440r> just debugging the latest changes to isforth :)
15:07:45 <I440r> she is almost a real forth now :)
15:07:47 <I440r> well
15:07:59 <I440r> still need assembler, meta compiler and erm well fload :)
15:08:14 <KelvinW> wait... hmmm have you written "Retro"?
15:08:40 <I440r> retro ?
15:08:42 <I440r> no
15:08:54 <I440r> retro is part of the tunes project isnt it ?
15:09:07 <I440r> i think tcn was working on retro
15:09:15 <KelvinW> yeah.. hmm.. ok.. my mistake :)
15:09:21 <I440r> tcn is also suppsed to be an isforth developer :P
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15:09:32 <I440r> but he is almost permanantly afk these days
15:09:41 <I440r> wb koft :)
15:09:47 <koft> hey (:
15:10:36 <koft> what would yall think about a forth intrepretor written in VB
15:10:57 <KelvinW> ok! i just remembered i heard "isforth" before, since i saw it mentioned on the retro.tunes.org-page
15:11:03 <I440r> well i was going to do a forth interpreter in bash script hehe
15:11:10 <I440r> then i was going to write a bash interpreter in forth
15:11:16 <I440r> and have them do battle with each other hehe
15:11:36 <I440r> have the forth interpret the bash interpreting the forth interpreting the bash....
15:11:37 <I440r> hehe
15:11:54 <I440r> ya
15:12:01 <I440r> tcn is my other developer
15:12:17 <I440r> if u google for isforth you can find ppl who reference it 
15:12:19 <koft> tcn?
15:12:31 <I440r> which is realy nice of them considering it isnt even a working forth yet heh
15:12:38 <I440r> tcn owns retro i thin
15:12:45 <I440r> i think he also started the whole tunes project
15:12:46 <koft> hehe
15:12:47 <koft> IsForth Because Forth IS! ... must say something inteligent here soon....
15:12:49 <I440r> mite be wrong about that tho
15:12:59 <I440r> thats my motto
15:13:06 <KelvinW> :) hmmm isn't that the guy called "faré" ??
15:13:07 <koft> i like it
15:13:31 <I440r> is that the sourceforge page ur looking at ?>
15:13:40 <I440r> i deleted the isforth sourceforge project
15:13:59 <koft> so you would be uspest at mme if i ported your code to sparc v8 ?
15:14:05 <I440r> hehe
15:14:09 <I440r> why would that upset me
15:14:16 <I440r> it would just make MY code look better :)
15:14:32 <koft> Isforth will be a master of one OS/Processor, not a jack of all. 
15:14:40 <koft> http://isforth.sourceforge.net/goals.html
15:14:40 <I440r> yes
15:15:00 <I440r> yea - how come isforth.sourceforge.net still exists hehe i deleted my project with sf :)
15:15:18 <I440r> i assume they deleted it
15:15:43 <koft> no forth vm as plugins for web pages?
15:16:21 <koft> personally i like the idea of a programming system that doesnt rely on an external os
15:16:23 <I440r> wow
15:16:27 <I440r> i got into shell1 too!
15:16:30 <I440r> maybe they didnt delete it!
15:17:35 <I440r> aha
15:17:47 <I440r> click on the isforth link and it takes u to the project page and shows
15:17:51 <I440r> "invalid project"
15:18:35 <I440r> so the project is gone but the web page and shell account arent ??? hehe
15:19:37 <koft> strange
15:19:50 <koft> can you write self modifying code in most forths?
15:20:32 <koft> it's strange how forth has had a tremendous influnce on how i write software, even though i havent written much in forth
15:20:48 <koft> nobody will ever let me use it in my projects
15:21:10 <I440r> heh
15:21:17 <I440r> forth has to be self modifying 
15:21:18 <I440r> well
15:21:27 <I440r> it can be done without but not nicely
15:21:30 <I440r> when you call create
15:21:51 <I440r> it creates a header with a "call dovariable" int its cfa
15:21:58 <I440r> for a variable that is correct
15:22:04 <I440r> its a "safe" default 
15:22:17 <I440r> but for a : definition this call needs to be a "call nest"
15:22:19 <I440r> etc
15:22:47 <koft> i'd much rather do my plc stuff in forth than c or assembler
15:24:32 <koft> i got a pizza box sparc that has a busted scsi controller, but its got a forth intrepretor in the rom, so it's still usefull
15:24:45 <koft> havent figured out how to save the code in the prom yet though
15:25:00 <I440r> put a new scsi in there
15:25:52 <koft> everything is integrated on the board, and i'm not all that great at replacing qfp chips, lots a pins
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15:26:09 <koft> probably not the chip though
15:26:20 <koft> could trace it out with my scope ...
15:26:20 <morton> hey
15:26:29 <morton> how's that forth implementatin for linux going, i440r?
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15:27:56 <I440r> going great!
15:28:00 <I440r> wanna see it ?
15:30:06 <koft> ftp://ftp.purplecoder.com/isforth.txt
15:30:11 <koft> purplecode.com....
15:31:24 <I440r> thats my domain
15:31:29 <I440r> its down since i moved
15:31:32 <I440r> because i cant get dsl here
15:31:47 <I440r> if u dns me and ftp to that address u can get isforth.txt
15:31:56 <I440r> its basicaly what u read on isforth.sf.net
15:32:27 <koft> nice
15:32:29 <koft> http://www.geocities.com/forthlinks/
15:32:34 <koft> you got a link on there
15:32:41 <koft> to sourceforge though
15:32:48 <koft> why did you decide to can sourceforge
15:34:43 <I440r> hehe
15:34:45 <I440r> well
15:35:04 <I440r> i was told that it was absolutely flat impossible for a linux executable to write into its own code space
15:35:08 <I440r> by MANY people
15:35:17 <I440r> that basically shot isforth in the head
15:35:30 <I440r> i as "   <-- that close to deleting ALL sources
15:35:37 <I440r> ALL OF THEM EVERYWHERE
15:35:48 <I440r> and totally abandoning all linux devel
15:35:59 <I440r> then i happnede to notice #assembler and joined there
15:36:02 <I440r> and asked in there
15:36:09 <I440r> and i was told thats a crock of shit
15:36:12 <koft> people often dont know what theyre talking about
15:36:21 <I440r> and given urls to self modifying asm code
15:36:29 <I440r> this was in #debian and #linpeople
15:36:33 <I440r> those guys know alot
15:36:47 <I440r> i respect their knowledge of unix/linux
15:36:54 <I440r> but they were wrong
15:37:00 <I440r> but i had already deleted isforth
15:37:09 <I440r> project that is
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15:39:13 <koft> what do you think happens when people fuck around with the stack on all thoes poorly written c programs 
15:39:15 <futhin> hihi :)
15:39:49 <I440r> fu thin!!!
15:39:52 <KelvinW> so now you're working with isntforth..? (baaaaaaaad joke.. ;)
15:39:58 <I440r> liek fu man chu but differnt :)
15:40:06 <I440r> :)
15:40:18 <futhin> heh
15:43:41 <koft> "Yeah bitch! Take that, Ughhh Who's yer McDaddy" he says
15:43:44 <koft> oops
15:44:38 <koft> isNTforth, we gott port your stuff to win32 man
15:45:12 <I440r> ugh
15:45:26 <I440r> it wouldnt work in win32
15:45:34 <I440r> win32 cant use absolute addresses
15:45:41 <I440r> isforth does
15:45:50 <koft> you need linear address mode?
15:46:04 <I440r> lodsd
15:46:06 <I440r> jmp eax
15:46:12 <I440r> thats absolute addressing
15:46:33 <I440r> the only relative addresses used are in the non indirect jmp and the call instructions
15:47:00 <koft> i wouldnt port anything low level to win32 anyway
15:48:10 <I440r> i cant code win32
15:48:14 <I440r> dont ever wanna
15:48:20 <I440r> ill code it in a dos box :P
15:50:02 <futhin> i440r: i thought you can't delete your sourceforge project?
15:50:44 <koft> you better watch out Bill G might try and buy you out and make a "VIsual FOrth" out of it
15:51:29 <I440r> well.
15:51:31 <I440r> its gone
15:51:35 <I440r> i didnt delet it
15:51:40 <I440r> i had it deleted
15:51:47 <futhin> you asked someone to delete it?
15:51:48 <I440r> i can still get into the shell account there tho
15:51:52 <I440r> at sf
15:52:14 <I440r> the sf project page for isforth gives "invalid project"
15:52:20 <I440r> but isforth.sf.net is still there
15:52:28 <I440r> and i can connect to shell1.sf.net 
15:52:49 <futhin> i just ssh into forthmud.sf.net   is it more efficient to ssh into shell1.sf.net? :P
15:53:14 <I440r> forthmud  ?
15:53:26 <futhin> my leet project that i haven't touched for 2 months now
15:53:37 <futhin> go to the website http://forthmud.sf.net
15:53:41 <I440r> heh
15:54:00 <futhin> mrreach did the html code cuz i was being all fancy and using css
15:54:12 <futhin> and css doesn't work in my browser (netscape 4.77) :(
15:54:13 <KelvinW> gotta go, bye!
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15:56:17 <I440r> hehe
15:56:26 <I440r> mrreach is one of the good guys...
15:57:37 <I440r> so are you going to use isforth ??? heh
15:58:43 <futhin> me?
15:58:54 <futhin> is it ready for using? :)
15:59:05 <futhin> is it fully documented in an easy to read manner? :P
15:59:13 <futhin> does it have a leet help system?
15:59:20 <futhin> i'll do your help system if you want
16:00:05 <futhin> people should be able to type HELP inside forth and get help in an accessible manner.
16:00:16 <I440r> hes
16:00:18 <I440r> yes
16:00:20 <I440r> help blahy
16:00:24 <I440r> argh help blah
16:00:25 <I440r> see blah
16:00:35 <I440r> see will decompile blah
16:00:39 <I440r> help blah will explain it
16:00:56 <I440r> view blah will jump to the source file defining blah
16:02:09 <futhin> note:  F-PC help system SUCKS!
16:02:11 <futhin> ok
16:02:25 <futhin> my "help system" is better :P
16:03:46 <I440r> futh the system is cool
16:03:49 <I440r> its the help that sucks
16:04:50 <futhin> it's not just that
16:05:18 <futhin> HELP shouldn't load up a text viewer.  it should just display it right there in the interactive part
16:05:45 <futhin> i found MUF _extremely_ easy to figure out because the help was like that, and it was good help too
16:05:55 <futhin> i'm just gonna copy the MUF help 99% :P
16:06:33 <futhin> MUF = multi user forth.  the online programming language of TinyMUCK
16:15:06 <futhin> MUF even has this super easy to use debugger that shows the stack for every instruction executed..  
16:15:37 <koft> "Oh No... Your modifying the body field address of a constant??? thats 
16:15:37 <koft> ;EVIL!!!"
16:15:41 <koft> gott love your comments
16:15:57 <futhin> where?
16:16:02 <futhin> where is this comment?
16:16:16 <koft> i'm lookin at i440r's code for his forth
16:16:46 <I440r> heh
16:17:05 <futhin> koft: which file?
16:17:20 <koft> compile.2
16:17:49 <I440r> thats in the scrap directory
16:17:52 <I440r> which tcn created
16:17:59 <I440r> im not scrapping any of it :P
16:18:05 <futhin> heh
16:18:08 <futhin> why would he do that then?
16:19:27 <I440r> because he wanted to simplify the kernel
16:19:51 <I440r> i agree with that but i need to get a fully working forth before i strip things out of the kernel that the kernel doesnt realy need
16:19:59 <futhin> are you finished coding the core of isforth in asm?  are you now coding the rest of the forth in forth ??
16:20:00 <I440r> he stripped some things out that it DOES need
16:20:09 <I440r> not quite finished the asm core
16:20:22 <futhin> how many core words? 63?
16:20:29 <I440r> there are some things that are working right now but that are just WRONG
16:20:34 <I440r> not sure
16:22:05 <koft> i see your lookin for answers to stuff for the / word
16:22:27 <I440r> the / word ?
16:22:54 <koft> ;divide n1 by n2 in math.1
16:23:10 <koft>  sar edx,byte 32
16:23:10 <koft>  mov ecx,ebx                ;this part i dont understnad
16:23:55 <I440r> oh yea heh
16:24:52 <futhin> i440r
16:24:58 <futhin> what editor do you use?
16:25:01 <futhin> for your coding?
16:31:01 <I440r> joe
16:31:13 <futhin> heh
16:31:17 <I440r> and occasionally i will make the sources viewable from my windows partition
16:31:22 <I440r> and use codewrite
16:31:38 <futhin> codewrite? is that good?
16:34:58 <I440r> its about the best fucking source file editor i have ever seen
16:35:03 <I440r> period
16:35:18 <I440r> it costs about $8425489279824658796598234659824897598264
16:35:23 <I440r> if u get a discount :P
16:41:47 <I440r> i think they should put bill clinton on the $3 bill
16:43:18 <I440r> brb - fixing a bug i introduced - damned sigsegv's :P
16:54:00 <futhin> i'm going
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17:20:31 <I440r> hi
17:20:42 <I440r> freeda = forth coder ?
17:21:46 <Freeda> freeda forth coder = .
17:21:48 <Freeda> 1 OK
17:22:07 <I440r> :)
17:22:09 <I440r> cool
17:22:14 <I440r> and fem ?
17:22:37 <I440r> ur nick souds fem - dont know many female coders at all
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17:22:52 <I440r> oopts
17:23:04 <I440r> clog - u scared her (him) off!
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18:02:03 <I440r> hi
18:02:10 <I440r> im in there :P hehe
18:02:14 <I440r> try using a /
18:02:17 <I440r> heh
18:04:59 <I440r> hows it going ?
18:38:24 <aum> ok
18:38:30 <aum> i'm battling with listname
18:38:34 <aum> listman
18:41:11 <I440r> listman ?
18:41:17 <I440r> im battling with bugs :)
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20:34:16 <I440r> we are pentium of borg - division is futile - you will be approximated!
20:34:25 <I440r> fro /usr/gams/fortune :)
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