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17:34:39 <Speuler> 'oi
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19:02:56 <TheBlueWizard> hiya
19:03:04 <TheBlueWizard> yay re: /topic
19:06:51 * TheBlueWizard decides #forth chanserv info is messed up
19:31:06 <TheBlueWizard> gotta go...bye
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20:27:54 <Speuler> g'd morning
20:28:17 <kholmes> good evening
20:28:43 <Speuler> surprise ... 
20:29:09 <Speuler> didn't expect anybody 2b alive here ...
20:29:16 <kholmes> heh
20:29:23 <kholmes> I can be a bot if you want
20:30:12 <Speuler> actually, i don't want you to be a bot
20:30:59 <kholmes> alright
20:31:12 <Speuler> chanserv and clog are bots allright
20:31:23 <Speuler> oxygene ?
20:31:24 <IEEE1275-1994> i think oxygene is my master and that's making me clueless most of the times... or a guy soon having a waterbed in cologne.
20:31:41 <Speuler> eh ?
20:32:34 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: what distance would you expect to be able to continue if somebody sticks a nail into your bicycle tire ?
20:32:35 <IEEE1275-1994> i haven't a clue, speuler
20:33:20 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: what distance would you expect to be able to continue if somebody sticks a nail into your bicycle tire ?
20:33:20 <IEEE1275-1994> speuler: wish i knew
20:33:25 <Speuler> thought so
20:34:51 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: what do you think if you hear the term "speechless communications ?"
20:34:51 <IEEE1275-1994> speuler: no idea
20:35:19 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: what was your last idea ?
20:36:02 <IEEE1275-1994> speuler: no idea
20:36:02 <Speuler> hehe
20:36:02 <kholmes> what is that bot for?
20:36:02 <Speuler> clog: logs chan
20:36:02 <kholmes> well...I mean IEEE1275-1994
20:36:02 <Speuler> oxygene: no idea
20:36:07 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: no idea
20:36:08 <IEEE1275-1994> Speuler: i'm not following you...
20:36:22 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: shutdown
20:36:23 <IEEE1275-1994> Speuler: excuse me?
20:36:27 <kholmes> IEEE1275-1994: help
20:36:32 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: exit
20:36:32 <IEEE1275-1994> Speuler: i'm not following you...
20:36:48 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: calculate 7/0
20:36:48 <IEEE1275-1994> Speuler: sorry...
20:37:01 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: 7/0
20:37:02 <IEEE1275-1994> Speuler: huh?
20:37:06 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: 7/2
20:37:06 <IEEE1275-1994> 3.5
20:37:23 <Speuler> shit, no div/0 bug 
20:37:53 <Speuler> this bleeding chan is populated by bots
20:38:07 <Speuler> msg ChanServ kick IEEE1275-1994
20:38:16 <kholmes> Speuler is at earth
20:38:21 <kholmes> where is Speuler?
20:38:21 <IEEE1275-1994> i guess Speuler is at earth
20:38:38 <kholmes> =)
20:38:40 <Speuler> where is my money ?
20:38:54 <kholmes> my money is in the bank
20:38:58 <kholmes> where is my money?
20:38:58 <IEEE1275-1994> i heard your money was in the bank
20:39:04 <kholmes> heh
20:39:10 <Speuler> where is my money ?
20:39:25 <Speuler> a banana is red
20:39:40 <kholmes> what is a banana?
20:39:41 <IEEE1275-1994> well, a banana is red
20:39:47 <Speuler> what is a banana ?
20:39:47 <IEEE1275-1994> a banana is red
20:40:01 <kholmes> what is forth?
20:40:01 <IEEE1275-1994> hmmm... forth is a sexy language for sexy people
20:40:04 <Speuler> why is a banana ?
20:40:13 <kholmes> what is CREATE?
20:40:20 <Speuler> a banana is red
20:40:20 <IEEE1275-1994> i already had it that way, Speuler.
20:40:23 <Speuler> why is a banana ?
20:40:33 <Speuler> why is a banana red ?
20:40:45 <Speuler> what is red ?
20:40:47 <kholmes> its not a smart bot, it seems
20:41:11 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994 is not a smart bot
20:41:16 <Speuler> what is IEEE1275-1994 ?
20:41:17 <IEEE1275-1994> i think i am the Open Firmware standard
20:41:41 <Speuler> -1*2
20:41:54 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: -1*2
20:41:54 <IEEE1275-1994> -2
20:42:01 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: -1000000000*2
20:42:01 <IEEE1275-1994> -2000000000
20:42:05 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: -100000000000000*2
20:42:05 <IEEE1275-1994> -200000000000000
20:42:09 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: -100000000000000000000000*2
20:42:09 <IEEE1275-1994> -2e+23
20:42:14 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: -100000000000000000000000*2e100
20:42:15 <IEEE1275-1994> Speuler: huh?
20:42:30 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: $21
20:42:31 <IEEE1275-1994> Speuler: i'm not following you...
20:42:38 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: 0x21
20:42:38 <IEEE1275-1994> Speuler: huh?
20:42:43 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: 021h
20:42:43 <IEEE1275-1994> Speuler: what?
20:43:01 <kholmes> hmm.../me should write a smart bot sometime
20:43:08 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: what is DUP good for ?
20:43:08 <IEEE1275-1994> speuler: i haven't a clue
20:43:16 <kholmes> what is dup?
20:43:27 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: what is IEEE1275-1994 good for ?
20:43:28 <IEEE1275-1994> speuler: no idea
20:43:32 <Speuler> me neither
20:44:06 <kholmes> dup duplicates the top item on the stack and pushes it on the stack.
20:44:12 <kholmes> what is dup?
20:44:33 <kholmes> dup is the forth word that duplicates the top item on the stack and pushes it on the stack
20:44:37 <kholmes> what is dup?
20:44:38 <IEEE1275-1994> well, dup is the forth word that duplicates the top item on the stack and pushes it on the stack
20:45:01 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: a deathloop is IEEE1275-1994: what is a deathloop ? 
20:45:02 <IEEE1275-1994> no idea, speuler
20:45:16 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: a deathloop is "IEEE1275-1994: what is a deathloop ?"
20:45:16 <IEEE1275-1994> i don't know, speuler
20:45:56 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: foo is IEEE1275-1994:
20:45:56 <IEEE1275-1994> OK, Speuler.
20:46:07 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: waht is foo ?
20:46:07 <IEEE1275-1994> foo is IEEE1275-1994:
20:46:18 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: foo is now IEEE1275-1994:x
20:46:19 <IEEE1275-1994> ...but foo is IEEE1275-1994:...
20:46:22 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: foo is now IEEE1275-1994:x
20:46:23 <IEEE1275-1994> ...but foo is IEEE1275-1994:...
20:46:36 <kholmes> IEEE1275-1994: is foo
20:46:40 <kholmes> what is foo?
20:46:40 <IEEE1275-1994> i heard foo was IEEE1275-1994:
20:46:45 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: foo1 is IEEE1275-1994:x
20:46:46 <IEEE1275-1994> OK, Speuler.
20:46:52 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: foo1
20:46:52 <IEEE1275-1994> foo1 is probably IEEE1275-1994:x
20:46:56 <kholmes> what is IEEE1275-1994?
20:46:56 <IEEE1275-1994> i heard i was the Open Firmware standard
20:47:10 * kholmes stops playing with the bot
20:47:40 <Speuler> 2 weeks ago i kicked clog
20:48:00 <Speuler> half an hour later somebody dropped in, asking me why i kicked the bot
20:48:18 <Speuler> i'd have another reason now
20:48:21 <kholmes> need the logger
20:48:29 <Speuler> "there are too many of them"
20:48:33 <kholmes> no logger; no log
20:49:40 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: forget foo
20:49:40 <IEEE1275-1994> Speuler: I forgot foo
20:49:44 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: forget foo1
20:49:45 <IEEE1275-1994> Speuler: I forgot foo1
20:49:55 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: forget IEEE1275-1994
20:49:55 <IEEE1275-1994> Speuler: I forgot ieee1275-1994
20:50:05 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: list
20:50:05 <IEEE1275-1994> Speuler: i'm not following you...
20:50:11 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: show
20:50:11 <IEEE1275-1994> Speuler: i'm not following you...
20:50:16 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: words
20:50:17 <IEEE1275-1994> Speuler: what?
20:51:01 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: forget pick
20:51:01 <IEEE1275-1994> Speuler, I didn't have anything matching pick
20:51:16 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: pick is "like an icepick in your forehead ?"
20:51:17 <IEEE1275-1994> OK, Speuler.
20:52:45 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: forget red banana
20:52:45 <IEEE1275-1994> Speuler, I didn't have anything matching red banana
20:52:49 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: forget red
20:52:50 <IEEE1275-1994> Speuler, I didn't have anything matching red
20:52:55 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: forget banana
20:52:55 <IEEE1275-1994> Speuler: I forgot banana
20:53:16 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: a red banana is not blue
20:53:16 <IEEE1275-1994> OK, Speuler.
20:53:30 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: what is a red banana not ?
20:53:30 <IEEE1275-1994> speuler: no idea
20:53:38 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: what is a red banana ?
20:53:38 <IEEE1275-1994> it has been said that a red banana is not blue
20:54:08 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: forget banana
20:54:09 <IEEE1275-1994> Speuler, I didn't have anything matching banana
20:54:14 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: forget red banana
20:54:14 <IEEE1275-1994> Speuler: I forgot red banana
20:55:02 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: : stars  is  0 ?do star loop  ;
20:55:02 <IEEE1275-1994> OK, Speuler.
20:55:15 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: 5 stars is *****
20:55:16 <IEEE1275-1994> OK, Speuler.
20:55:28 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: what is : stars ?
20:55:29 <IEEE1275-1994> speuler: i haven't a clue
20:55:39 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: what is 5 stars ?
20:55:40 <IEEE1275-1994> hmmm... 5 stars is *****
20:55:46 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: what is stars ?
20:55:46 <IEEE1275-1994> it has been said that stars is 0 ?do star loop  ;
20:56:05 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: forget stars
20:56:05 <IEEE1275-1994> Speuler: I forgot stars
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20:56:16 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: stars  is  : stars   0 ?do star loop  ;
20:56:17 <IEEE1275-1994> OK, Speuler.
20:56:27 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: what is stars ?
20:56:28 <IEEE1275-1994> stars is : stars   0 ?do star loop  ;
20:56:34 <Speuler> 5 stars
20:57:33 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: + is  [-<+>]<
20:57:33 <IEEE1275-1994> OK, Speuler.
20:57:43 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: what is + ?
20:57:43 <IEEE1275-1994> + is, like, [-<+>]<
20:58:27 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: 2* is  [->+<]>[-<++>]<
20:58:37 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: 2* is [->+<]>[-<++>]<
20:58:47 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: what is 2*
20:58:47 <IEEE1275-1994> speuler: wish i knew
20:59:02 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: 2* is  [->+<]>[-<++>]<
20:59:08 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: 2* is  [->+<]x[-<++>]<
20:59:18 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: 2* is  [->+<]>[-<++>]<
20:59:44 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: 1 lshift is  [->+<]>[-<++>]<
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22:14:19 <I440r> brb
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22:23:03 <hcf> so he wants to kick clog?
22:23:27 <hcf> IEEE1275-1994 isn't mine, so it's not my fault that it's here
22:25:28 * kholmes likes IEEE1275-1994
22:25:38 <kholmes> what is dup?
22:25:38 <IEEE1275-1994> rumour has it dup is the forth word that duplicates the top item on the stack and pushes it on the stack
22:25:49 <kholmes> see? can be useful
22:25:54 <hcf> yes, i know, it's an infobot
22:26:10 <hcf> i've ran an infobot in #tunes for a while, and yes they can useful
22:26:20 <kholmes> you read the forth logs a lot? :)
22:26:27 <hcf> not a lot
22:26:35 <hcf> i tend to grep for things, like "clog"
22:26:42 <kholmes> ahh
22:27:17 <kholmes> need a logger
22:27:32 <kholmes> dunno why clob would bother someone
22:27:55 <kholmes> err...clog
22:28:03 <hcf> yeah, it never says or does anything, just logs
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22:28:15 <Speuler> hcf: oh, i'd love to
22:28:45 <Speuler> this # is populated by bots
22:29:05 <Speuler> maybe we can get them to talk to each other 
22:29:28 <hcf> Speuler: talk to the channel founder/owner (futhin) and have him request the removal of clog if that's what you want
22:29:46 <Speuler> clog is ok. useful
22:29:48 <kholmes> lol...you guys communicating via channel logs
22:29:56 <hcf> clog doesn't talk
22:30:02 <kholmes> futhin is the founder?
22:30:08 <hcf> now he is
22:30:18 <hcf> check chanserv, you'll see
22:30:23 <kholmes> heh
22:30:34 <kholmes> oxygene: help
22:30:38 <hcf> the previous founder gave up foundership apparently
22:30:45 <kholmes> ah
22:31:00 <hcf> that was I440r afaik
22:31:02 <kholmes> more bots makes it seem like the channel is popular
22:31:20 <hcf> yeah, and more actual people might come in and stay
22:31:24 <kholmes> take #linpeople
22:31:27 <kholmes> j/k
22:31:35 <Speuler> wasn't there a net rule "max 2 bots / chan" ?
22:31:49 <hcf> Speuler: i don't recall anything like that
22:31:54 <kholmes> I never heard of it
22:32:05 <kholmes> are the bots written in forth?
22:32:13 <hcf> ask lilo if you want to know for sure
22:32:14 <Speuler> hmmm. must be another net then
22:32:58 <hcf> kholmes: i've look at a lot of irc things (clients and bots) and don't recall any forth based ones, tho i could of missed them
22:38:03 <Speuler> oh well. 
22:38:06 <kholmes> I suppose a forther could write one =P
22:38:09 <Speuler> may i put a bot on here ?
22:38:19 <Speuler> you can talk to me through my bot :)
22:38:32 <kholmes> Speuler: how does that work?
22:39:29 <Speuler> bot reads, resends on different channel 
22:40:06 <Speuler> i could call it MechanicalSpeuler
22:40:13 <kholmes> oh
22:40:18 <Speuler> and from time to time it says "yes"
22:40:29 <kholmes> why not just be on the channel?
22:41:05 <Speuler> t'is crowded with all those bots
22:42:11 <hcf> then get more people in here so it seems less crowded
22:42:36 <Speuler> this # is not about popularity
22:43:00 <hcf> oic
22:43:01 <Speuler> and even less about fake popularity
22:43:30 <Speuler> but maybe futhin thinks differently
22:43:36 <Speuler> don't know
22:44:50 * kholmes was just kidding about the popularity thing, BTW
22:44:58 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: what is a futhin ?
22:44:59 <IEEE1275-1994> well, a futhin is the founder?
22:45:26 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: forget futhin
22:45:26 <IEEE1275-1994> Speuler: I forgot futhin
22:45:35 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: futhin is the robogod
22:45:35 <IEEE1275-1994> OK, Speuler.
22:45:45 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: what is a futhin ?
22:45:45 <IEEE1275-1994> a futhin is probably the robogod
22:45:50 <kholmes> whats a robogod?
22:45:53 <hcf> due to not requiring direct addressing, an infobot will pick up a lot of "garbage"
22:46:19 <hcf> if addressing is set to require, it won't
22:46:20 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: what did hcf just say ?
22:46:20 <IEEE1275-1994> no idea, speuler
22:46:50 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: tell me about garbage
22:46:50 <IEEE1275-1994> Speuler: what?
22:47:38 <hcf> are you aware of "is also"?
22:47:45 <Speuler> nope.
22:47:48 <hcf> IEEE1275-1994: foo?
22:47:49 <IEEE1275-1994> no idea, hcf
22:47:52 <hcf> IEEE1275-1994: foo is bar
22:47:52 <IEEE1275-1994> OK, hcf.
22:47:56 <hcf> IEEE1275-1994: foo is also baz
22:47:56 <IEEE1275-1994> okay, hcf.
22:47:58 <hcf> IEEE1275-1994: foo?
22:47:58 <IEEE1275-1994> foo is bar or baz
22:48:03 <Speuler> ah
22:48:16 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: futhin is also the MUDmaster
22:48:16 <IEEE1275-1994> okay, Speuler.
22:48:30 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: what is a futhin ?
22:48:30 <IEEE1275-1994> a futhin is the robogod or the MUDmaster
22:48:46 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: who told you what is a futhin ?
22:48:47 <IEEE1275-1994> speuler: i haven't a clue
22:49:13 <Speuler> IEEE1275-1994: who explained futhin ? 
22:49:13 <IEEE1275-1994> speuler: i don't know
22:49:20 <hcf> there's a bunch of other "features", there's a guide at infobot.org, "features" vary depending on version and configuration
22:49:48 <Speuler> i tried to catch it with a div0 exception ...
22:49:51 <Speuler> didn't work
22:50:06 <Speuler> nor did overflow
22:50:13 <hcf> as i recall, it used to work
22:50:43 <Speuler> with "didn't work" i mean "it didn't crash" :)
22:50:52 <hcf> i know
22:51:18 <Speuler> ou say, those crashed before ?
22:51:32 <hcf> as i recall, yeah
22:51:48 <hcf> there was (and still probably is) a lot of not-good code in the infobot
22:52:11 <hcf> i debugged the one i maintain
22:52:22 <Speuler> eggdrop i suppose ?
22:52:32 <hcf> no
22:52:47 <Speuler> seems to be the most popular
22:52:52 <hcf> yes
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22:57:02 <swapdrop> swapdrop wants to be opped
22:57:23 <Speuler> poor one
22:58:00 <swapdrop> swapdrop wants to be opped
22:59:00 <swapdrop> swapdrop wants to be opped
23:00:00 <swapdrop> swapdrop wants to be opped
23:00:29 <hcf> Speuler, kholmes: btw, it's better if '/msg IEEE1275-1994 whatever' is used when public response isn't necessary, which means less bot play in the logs
23:00:46 <Speuler> true
23:01:00 <swapdrop> swapdrop wants to be opped
23:01:22 <hcf> uhm
23:02:00 <swapdrop> swapdrop wants to be opped
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23:03:48 <kholmes> Speuler: your bot is broke
23:04:00 <swapdrop> swapdrop wants to be opped
23:04:07 <Speuler> probably
23:04:21 <Speuler> it shouldn't say this now
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23:06:57 <Speuler> it should have said "op me or i'll fart"
23:07:29 <hcf> oh that'd be much better
23:07:39 <kholmes> why does the bot want op?
23:07:46 <Speuler> habit
23:08:24 <hcf> hmm
23:08:30 --- mode: clog set mode: +o hcf
23:08:35 --- mode: hcf set mode: -o hcf
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23:24:00 <swapdrop> swapdrop wants to be opped
23:24:20 <Speuler> still ?
23:25:00 <swapdrop> swapdrop wants to be opped
23:29:50 <Speuler> once, i forgot to turn off the bot
23:30:10 <Speuler> because it didn't come onto the channel right away
23:30:18 <Speuler> only two days later
23:30:38 <Speuler> asked for op
23:30:48 <Speuler> for a few weeks ...
23:31:12 <Speuler> (i was away for several months)
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23:38:25 * Speuler slaps swapdrop around with a small 50lb Unix Manual
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23:56:25 <Speuler> 'nite
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