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00:00:14 <futhin> for next..  FOR BACK,  FOR LEFT, FOR TURN, FOR BLAH, FOR LAH
00:00:57 <I440r> begin >r ....... r> 1- 0= until ;
00:01:13 <I440r> for is just a >r
00:01:32 <I440r> next is a r> -1 dup 0= while r> repeat drop
00:01:46 <I440r> erm make that a ?dup =0 until
00:02:00 <I440r> erm while r> repeat
00:02:04 <futhin> heh
00:02:19 <I440r> : next r> 1- ?dup 0> while r> repeat ;
00:02:25 <I440r> im lame tonight
00:02:41 <I440r> erm argh
00:02:48 <I440r> teh second r> should be a >r hehe
00:02:55 <kholmes> looks cryptic :-)
00:03:08 <I440r> : for r> swap 2>r ;
00:03:28 <futhin> 2,2-0,2kholmes2,2---: i totally agree, but when you know what >r and r> does, and all those other fancy words, it starts looking a lot less cryptic
00:03:30 <futhin> eww
00:03:32 <futhin> color
00:03:36 <futhin> i'll stop doing that
00:03:39 * futhin slaps himself
00:03:41 <I440r> ern no - i dont think these can be : definitions very easilly hehe
00:03:58 <I440r> neway i gtg zzz
00:04:01 <futhin> yeah
00:04:07 <I440r> maybe if i sleep i can code forth again hehe
00:04:07 <futhin> good night
00:04:12 <I440r> cuz i sure cant rite now :P
00:04:13 <futhin> heh
00:04:22 <I440r> : sleep   bed go tuck  light off ; immediate
00:04:25 <futhin> yeah whatever, nobody noticed your bad code :P
00:04:42 <I440r> clog logs everything :P
00:04:45 <I440r> bastard :P
00:04:54 <futhin> ; tuck swap snip ; 
00:04:58 <futhin> ew
00:04:59 <I440r> so when ppl read the above disfunctional code thwy will laff at me :P
00:05:02 <futhin> : tuck swap snip ;
00:05:08 <futhin> heh
00:05:16 <kholmes> futhin: so...what does this collaboritive universe do?
00:05:17 <I440r> bubye
00:05:18 <I440r> no
00:05:23 <futhin> i'm the only one that i know of that reads the logs
00:05:25 <I440r> : tuck swap over ;
00:05:39 <futhin> the swap nip is the reference to your msg
00:05:41 <I440r> i believe bongo does 
00:05:47 <futhin> speuler?
00:05:48 <I440r> not 100% sure :)
00:05:50 <I440r> yes
00:05:55 <I440r> nite nite
00:05:58 <futhin> nite nite
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00:06:13 <futhin> the collaborative universe
00:06:26 <futhin> let's talk about it in tunes, so that other ppl can read it or something :)
00:06:35 <kholmes> okay..
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03:40:03 <MrReach> hihi
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12:59:50 <XeF4> moo
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13:02:27 <futhin> hola
13:02:32 <futhin> we've got a bunch of idlers right now
13:02:37 <futhin> clog is a bot
13:02:53 <futhin> but if you see i440r or mrreach on, they usually don't idle
13:03:11 <futhin> i think speuler is coding forth in brainfuck :)
13:03:17 <XeF4> I've not seen i440r for months
13:03:40 <futhin> he's working on getting some NANDs in brainfuck, and then he'll implement some stuff from there
13:04:02 <XeF4> good lord..
13:05:31 <futhin> heheh
13:05:40 <futhin> i assume he's having lots of fun :)
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15:32:11 <futhin> hi aaronl
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15:32:21 <futhin> hi aaronl
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19:26:11 <Speuler> g'd morning
19:26:37 <futhin> g'd evening :P
19:26:49 <Speuler> 4:26 a.m.
19:27:15 <futhin> heh
19:27:24 <futhin> you wake up or you staying up and going to sleep soon?
19:27:31 <futhin> are you a nocturnal ?
19:27:40 <Speuler> often
19:27:44 <Speuler> mostly
19:27:52 <Speuler> except when in a job
19:27:59 <Speuler> or on holidays
19:28:21 <Speuler> still awake
19:28:50 <Speuler> got   2 /mod  working ... 
19:29:03 <Speuler> (in bf, that is)
19:29:52 <Speuler> 'nuff 4 2day
19:31:08 <Speuler> 80 operations ...
19:40:00 <futhin> cool
19:40:05 <futhin> eh?
19:40:12 <futhin> 80 operations in 1 day?
19:41:33 <Speuler> nope. half an hour coding. only returned shortly ago
19:41:55 <Speuler> needed some menthal gymnastics before stretching out
19:42:01 <futhin> 80 forth operations in half-hour coding?
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19:42:16 <Speuler> and got an idea how to implement 2 /mod on the way back
19:42:19 <futhin> hi mrreach :)
19:42:24 <Speuler> hi mrreach
19:42:24 <MrReach> hihi!
19:43:15 <Speuler> i'll be back ...
19:43:16 <MrReach> what's so hard about /mod ??? I had no probs with CODE def on x86
19:43:19 <MrReach> ok
19:43:46 <futhin> he's coding it in brainfuck
19:43:54 <MrReach> HAHAHA!
19:43:59 <futhin> he's implementing a forth in bf
19:44:06 <MrReach> bf??
19:44:08 <futhin> he's gotten the NANDs working 
19:44:11 <MrReach> oh, brainfuck
19:44:12 <futhin> bf == brainfuck
19:44:29 <futhin> speuler, you are leet :)
19:44:31 <MrReach> is this the goofy liquid computer thing?
19:44:41 <futhin> mrreach: huh?
19:45:15 <MrReach> heh, he was going on for a while about designing a hydaulic computer, with water valves
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19:45:34 <MrReach> hydraulic
19:45:42 <MrReach> wb, [9of7]
19:45:49 * [9of7] alias Speuler
19:45:53 <MrReach> yep
19:46:01 <[9of7]> hydraulic what ?
19:46:17 <MrReach> computer ... you were thinking about it some time ago
19:46:26 <[9of7]> ValveForth ?
19:46:44 <[9of7]> yes
19:46:47 * MrReach keeps his opinion to himself on this one.
19:47:28 <[9of7]> i started playing with the digital analog of valveforth (gateforth)
19:48:34 <MrReach> what's so hard about implementing /mod ?? I had not probs with it on x86
19:48:49 <[9of7]> it took me about 80 instructions
19:49:00 <[9of7]> may be able to bring it down to 60 ... 70 
19:49:40 <[9of7]> it is the complexity of the task of 2 /mod
19:49:58 <[9of7]> hehe
19:50:07 <MrReach> although I started with SM/REM as the primitive, if I recall
19:50:32 <[9of7]> i coded it in brainfuck
19:50:46 <MrReach> you mean the phrase "2 /mod" ???
19:50:51 <[9of7]> yes
19:50:53 <MrReach> wouldn't that be even easier yet?
19:51:01 <[9of7]> how ?
19:51:13 <MrReach> mov ax, bx
19:51:21 <[9of7]> no move
19:51:23 <MrReach> asl ax
19:51:27 <[9of7]> no shift
19:51:28 <MrReach> sbb bx, bx
19:51:35 <MrReach> what platform?
19:51:40 <[9of7]> brainfuck
19:52:01 <MrReach> erm, ok
19:52:57 <[9of7]> only 4 instructions, +2 for iteration/conditional  
19:53:12 <[9of7]> +, -, <, >
19:54:02 <[9of7]> (didn't use char input and output, the remaining two instructions)
19:54:24 <[9of7]> of altogether 8 instructions
19:54:54 <MrReach> ok
19:55:02 <[9of7]> got about 15 forth primitives by now
19:55:05 <MrReach> you're right, /mod would be difficult
19:56:29 <[9of7]> been thinking about it for 2 days, in idle periods
19:57:01 <MrReach> I take it this will be implemented in some type of PGA??
19:57:31 <[9of7]> don't think so. but, who knows .
19:57:44 <[9of7]> bf cpu would be easy to implement in hardware ...
19:57:57 <[9of7]> a few hundred gates 
19:58:16 <[9of7]> massive parallelism could actually get this to speed 
19:58:20 <[9of7]> hehe
19:59:04 <MrReach> you think about odd things, sometimes. Have you been drinking?
19:59:32 <[9of7]> alcohol, you mean ? not a drop for ... 3 or 4 days
19:59:55 <[9of7]> that's my normal mode :)
19:59:56 <MrReach> heh    @:^>
20:00:59 <[9of7]> t'is longer ago than that 
20:01:23 <[9of7]> can't exactly remember when i had the last alc
20:02:29 <[9of7]> i do drink more when i'm in germany
20:02:50 <[9of7]> but the beer here is not comparable
20:03:03 <[9of7]> (here = netherlands)
20:04:36 <MrReach> well, time for dinner and some teli with sifey
20:04:40 <MrReach> with wifey
20:04:46 <MrReach> CUL8R
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20:04:52 <[9of7]> g'd nite
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23:42:27 <futhin> hi
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23:45:36 <futhin> hi xuz :)
23:45:41 <futhin> how's it going?
23:46:26 <Xuz> Pretty well, how're you?
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23:47:11 <futhin> pretty good
23:47:20 <futhin> getting back into forth sort of :P
23:47:31 <futhin> i've gotten familiar with pygmy because of this pygmy tutor
23:47:37 <futhin> next i'll try out a f-pc tutor
23:48:01 <Xuz> Good :)
23:48:53 <futhin> then next i'll have to figure out how to interface libraries from gforth
23:49:08 <futhin> and apparently i have to figure out something called "select"  for the sockets..
23:50:27 <Xuz> Oh, that's just standard Unix.
23:51:12 <Xuz> What're you trying to make?
23:51:37 <futhin> my current project is a forth mud :)
23:51:49 <futhin> i've got some other leet ideas/projects too :P
23:52:07 <Xuz> Ahh, yes.
23:52:20 <futhin> were you the one that had some code for interfacing with the libraries?
23:52:21 * Xuz is having trouble keeping his forthers straight :)
23:52:25 <Xuz> Yes.
23:52:31 <futhin> cause i never recieved an email from you i don't think..
23:53:12 * Xuz doesn't have his other computer fixed yet.
23:53:19 * Xuz thinks. . . 
23:53:29 * Xuz grins, "Well, I ported MzScheme to OpenBSD, may as well port GForth :)"
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