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06:57:57 <Speuler> g'day
06:58:43 <XeF4> hoi
07:14:12 * aaronl is away: school
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08:24:12 <I440r> hi ppl
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08:26:57 <XeF4> oi
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12:28:14 <futhin> hi all
12:28:29 <futhin> long time no see
12:28:38 <I440r> hi
12:28:42 <futhin> had no internet for a month
12:28:46 <futhin> hi i440r :)
12:28:49 <futhin> how is it going?
12:28:53 <I440r> how did you survive ?
12:28:54 <I440r> heh
12:29:06 <futhin> i survived with sci-fi books :)
12:29:34 <futhin> i never touch a computer unless it has internet heh 
12:30:07 <I440r> :)
12:30:17 <I440r> im trying to get my ati tv tuner to work in linux
12:30:20 <I440r> no luck at all
12:30:22 <I440r> bleh
12:30:34 <futhin> hm
12:31:13 <futhin> the only thing i've done on linux was get my pnp modem working back in 95
12:31:35 <futhin> i made up a nifty textfile and sent it to anybody who started complaining about it on #linuxwarez :)
12:32:10 <futhin> the textfile telling the person how to set up his pnp modem..
12:32:36 <futhin> so
12:32:42 <futhin> how goes forth?
12:32:52 <I440r> moving nowhere fast still
12:34:01 <futhin> i hate myself for being so lazy :P
12:34:14 <futhin> and it seems a lot of forth coders are somewhat lazy too heh
12:34:27 <futhin> forth - the lazy intellectual's language
12:35:03 <I440r> :)
12:35:09 <futhin> i think that laziness increases proportionally to your intellect
12:35:21 <futhin> especially if you are the creative/genius type :P
12:36:03 <I440r> !
12:36:27 <futhin> i want a collaborative environment where a bunch of forth coders can get together and code stuff..  it would decrease our laziness (and i need all the help decreasing mine)
12:36:43 <futhin> hmm?
12:36:46 <futhin> what's with the ! ?
12:36:55 <I440r> heh
12:37:18 <I440r> it was an exclamation mark :)
12:37:31 <I440r> heh
12:37:32 <futhin> i know, but what was shocking? :)
12:37:40 <I440r> not shocking
12:37:45 <I440r> it was "aha thats why!!!"
12:37:47 <I440r> heh
12:37:51 <futhin> lol
12:38:06 * futhin lols sometimes irl
12:38:27 <futhin> i say "lol" sometimes irl
12:38:36 <futhin> it's a little unsettling :P
12:38:44 <futhin> means too much irc
12:39:09 <I440r> :)
12:40:03 <futhin> /pdcc 99999999999
12:40:04 <futhin> /fsend on
12:40:04 <futhin> /dcc packetsize 4096
12:40:04 <futhin> /ial on
12:40:06 <futhin> argh
12:40:37 <futhin> /ial on
12:40:44 <futhin> hm
12:40:49 <futhin> just some tweak stuff for mirc
12:40:56 <futhin> cause i just reinstalled windows
12:41:00 <I440r> doesnt the internal address list default to on in mirc ?
12:41:15 <futhin> possibly, but i put it in anyways :)
12:41:34 <I440r> woohoo cisco is at 20.5 :)
12:41:41 <futhin> the stock?
12:41:44 <I440r> i baught it at 13 :)
12:41:47 <I440r> yes
12:41:48 <futhin> cool
12:41:53 <futhin> when did you buy it?
12:41:57 <futhin> and how many? :)
12:42:02 <I440r> when it hit rock bottom :)
12:42:39 <futhin> lol
12:42:45 <futhin> i meant how long ago
12:42:53 <I440r> let me check
12:43:25 <futhin> how did you know it was rockbottom when you bought it? :)
12:43:37 <I440r> i didnt
12:43:48 <I440r> 4/4/2001
12:44:15 <futhin> wow
12:44:19 <futhin> you held it for a long time
12:44:32 <I440r> ill be holding it for alot longer too
12:44:57 <I440r> it will climb back up to $70+ per share eventually
12:45:03 <I440r> and will prolly split a few times before then too :)
12:45:25 <futhin> were you paying attention to the stock in sept?  how did you feel when it went up and then back down below 13? :)
12:45:45 <I440r> didnt bother me at all
12:45:51 <futhin> heh
12:45:58 <I440r> i knew it was temporary
12:46:04 <I440r> it might even go back down there again
12:46:13 <I440r> i sense recovery on the horizon tho
12:46:19 <futhin> theoretically you could've sold it before sept, and then bought it back at its low in sept
12:46:27 <futhin> and made a ton of money right there
12:46:29 <I440r> i know
12:46:34 <I440r> but thats like day trading
12:46:37 <I440r> very dangerous
12:46:45 <futhin> daytrading is l33t :P
12:46:50 <I440r> heh
12:46:53 <I440r> yea
12:46:59 <I440r> lets do day trading on margin!!!
12:47:04 <futhin> lol!
12:47:10 <futhin> 4x margin plz!
12:47:15 <I440r> heh
12:48:24 <futhin> daytrading is more or less defined as "not holding any positions overnight"  so basically, ppl who do lots of trading on a short time horizon eventually find that daytrading is less risky, because the market could easily plunge the next day, so not having any positions is good
12:49:02 <futhin> i read a bunch of daytrading and technical analysis books, but i need capital and time if i want to daytrade :)
12:49:30 <futhin> and a willingness to lose some or all of my capital ;)
12:49:46 <I440r> thats exactly it
12:49:50 <I440r> day trading is gambling
12:50:03 <I440r> buying into the stock market is a hell of alot less of a gamble
12:50:08 <I440r> if you are prepared to hold onto what you got
12:50:15 <I440r> i baught 115 shares of cisco
12:50:28 <I440r> uin 3 or 4 years it will have split at least a couple of times
12:50:33 <I440r> the ups and downs dont matter
12:50:43 <I440r> in 20 years my 115 shares will be worth millions
12:50:45 <I440r> well
12:50:50 <I440r> maybe not if cisco is all i own
12:50:57 <I440r> you need a more diverse portfolio
12:51:02 <I440r> but log term is ALWAYS a winner
12:51:16 <I440r> not everyone lost everytghing during the previous crashes
12:51:20 <I440r> some people made a killing too
12:51:38 <I440r> neway im at work in an hour
12:51:42 <I440r> got a crappy seasonal job
12:51:45 <I440r> till i can find coding work
12:51:48 <I440r> bbl
12:51:50 <futhin> daytrading isn't really gambling, there is a lot of risk analysis involved if you do it properly.  it takes a lot of discipline, and if you do it properly, you always figure out your entry and exit points
12:52:08 <I440r> ya
12:52:18 <I440r> but theres no knowing what the market is going to do on any given day
12:52:21 <I440r> l8er dood
12:52:28 <futhin> ok
12:52:30 <futhin> see ya around
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