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11:13:30 <Speuler> hoi
11:21:10 <klooie> hi Speuler.
11:30:44 <Speuler> how goes ?
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15:33:05 <TheBlueWizard> hiya
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15:45:10 <Speuler> hello tbw
15:45:30 <Speuler> lonely guardian of the forth channel
15:46:33 <TheBlueWizard> hiya Speuler :)
15:46:35 <TheBlueWizard> hehe
15:46:59 <TheBlueWizard> I don't have an op, so I can't be said to be a guardian here :P
15:49:10 <Speuler> been around for long ?
15:49:19 <Speuler> looks quiet here
15:49:40 <TheBlueWizard> I got on about 15 minutes ago
15:49:42 <Speuler> maybe people have moved to #lambda
15:49:54 <TheBlueWizard> #lambda?
15:49:56 <Speuler> or *shudder* #java
15:50:03 <Speuler> lambda is the lisp channel
15:50:19 <TheBlueWizard> hehe...Java ain't bad...but I am not crazy about Java
15:50:20 <Speuler> oh, i'm not sure whether that's the lisp channel on this net too
15:50:34 <TheBlueWizard> ah...didn't know #lambda == Lisp
15:51:03 <Speuler> most if the time i ask a javanian how to do the on or other thing in java, i hear "but you can't do that"
15:51:23 <Speuler> last time i asked about how to embed objects in objects
15:51:35 <TheBlueWizard> hmm?  like what, specifically (if you can...)?
15:51:47 <Speuler> like a directory object in a partition object 
15:52:04 <Speuler> the partition object gets all available space
15:52:17 <TheBlueWizard> use collection to embed objects in it...that's one way, if I understand you right
15:52:19 <Speuler> and the directory and files object will have to reside in the partition object
15:52:38 <TheBlueWizard> or use List object
15:52:49 <TheBlueWizard> List is a kind of collection....
15:53:38 <Speuler> i assume list objects require no additional memory, except instance data space of a partition object ?
15:53:51 <TheBlueWizard> I understand that Java copies some of Smalltalk's approach, so I would expect to be able to program in Java pretty quickly...if I have the right tools at hand...and an opportunity
15:54:51 <TheBlueWizard> list objects must have some overhead (it typically use linked list data structure)
15:55:40 <Speuler> problem is, there is no more space except data space of partition object
15:55:44 <TheBlueWizard> I would suppose the directory and file objects would be collectable...
15:55:52 <Speuler> everything need to be embedded into partition
15:56:43 <TheBlueWizard> not sure what you are talking about the partition...is that the disk partition?
15:57:01 <Speuler> eeprom/flash partition
15:57:06 <Speuler> oo file system
15:57:24 <TheBlueWizard> ah
15:57:49 <Speuler> all used, because ain't too big, desirable to use all available 
15:58:12 <Speuler> not sparing any space on the idea an object may use it later on
15:58:33 <Speuler> anf couldn't use dynamic allocation
15:58:46 <Speuler> (specification issue)
15:58:48 <TheBlueWizard> if you are to just model the structure, I would not expect any problem....but if you intend to specify byte-by-byte relationship with the memory layouty, it could be a problem...I'd use C++ to do that sort of job
15:59:34 <TheBlueWizard> Java is basically "data layout" agnostic
15:59:36 <Speuler> indeed, we needed to be structure-compatible with an existing non-oo implementation of the same fs
15:59:58 <Speuler> the cafe is going to close in a minute
16:00:17 <Speuler> so i have to leave you guarding the channel again
16:01:01 <Speuler> good night
16:01:27 <TheBlueWizard> you could read the whole fs into your program, manipulate it, then spit out the whole fs...I have done the read-in part with my Python script for MSDOS floppy
16:01:35 <TheBlueWizard> bye Speuler
16:01:51 <Speuler> ram short too :)
16:01:56 <Speuler> bye
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16:18:27 <TheBlueWizard> hiya edrx
16:21:38 <edrx> hi tbw
16:22:11 <TheBlueWizard> how's life?
16:23:21 <edrx> ok... I'll be moving to montreal in a few weeks, I've been putting a lot of work on a Forth-on-top-of-Lua language, and the things I'm studying for the univ are going ok... and you?
16:24:26 <TheBlueWizard> busy....working for fed govt...security stuff with *cough* Win2000, among other things...but I get paid :)
16:25:44 <edrx> not soooo bad, then...
16:26:42 <edrx> I'm drowsing
16:26:51 <edrx> gonna disconnect soon
16:27:29 <TheBlueWizard> k
16:27:36 <TheBlueWizard> bye
16:27:42 <edrx> see ya...
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16:42:32 <TheBlueWizard> hiya Speuler again
16:42:37 <Speuler> hiya
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16:44:05 <TheBlueWizard> hiya Speuler again
16:44:15 <Speuler> stayed somewhat longer
16:44:30 <TheBlueWizard> heh
16:44:36 <Speuler> floor cosmetics are busy
16:45:08 <Speuler> cd writer still busy too
16:45:24 <Speuler> for another 150 mb
16:45:39 <Speuler> so i thought i might just as well drop in again
16:46:35 <TheBlueWizard> k...whatever
16:47:05 <Speuler> not for long ...
16:50:40 <Speuler> fixating ...
16:50:56 <TheBlueWizard> hmm?
16:52:00 <Speuler> done 
16:52:58 <TheBlueWizard> cdrom burning?
16:53:12 <Speuler> yes
16:53:15 <Speuler> me home now
16:53:20 <Speuler> good bye again
16:53:24 <TheBlueWizard> bye :)
16:53:32 <Speuler> say hello to the floks here when they show up
16:53:37 <Speuler> folks
16:53:42 <Speuler> cu
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16:53:53 <TheBlueWizard> maybe...I might ooze outta here in a while
17:33:47 <TheBlueWizard> bye
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