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14:13:11 <MrReach> hihi
14:16:02 <Speuler> hi mrreach
14:16:10 <Speuler> been waiting long ?
14:16:12 <MrReach> how goes?
14:16:17 <Speuler> all right
14:16:21 <Speuler> not too bad at all
14:16:38 <MrReach> hey, is that web cam working?
14:16:41 <Speuler> i got a more recent version of toyforth with me
14:16:51 <MrReach> cool
14:16:53 <Speuler> shall i mail it to you ?
14:17:01 <MrReach> sure
14:17:05 <Speuler> look at the webcam date :)
14:17:12 <MrReach> what's the URL?
14:17:25 <Speuler> what email address ?
14:17:50 <MrReach> mrreach@bigfoot.com
14:19:10 <Speuler> it has been sent
14:20:33 <Speuler> it look like my NL provider has problems - i can't connect to my server
14:21:50 <MrReach> what is the URL for the web cam?
14:22:02 <MrReach> my sife happens to be sitting beside me, and I thought I'd show her.
14:22:16 <Speuler> www.icafe.spacenet.de
14:22:28 <Speuler> but the image is from november 8
14:22:50 <Speuler> cam only sends escape chars
14:23:08 <MrReach> heh, n=ok
14:23:33 <Speuler> reboot won't help
14:23:33 <MrReach> wifey says, "Wouldn't it be fun to go to Germany?" ... I reply, "Maybe in the summer."
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14:23:55 <Speuler> hope she's a steady beer drinker
14:28:47 --- nick: MrBRB -> MrReach
14:28:54 <MrReach> nope, she doesn't drink at all
14:29:21 <MrReach> ever played with squeak smalltalk?
14:29:55 <Speuler> i played with a smalltalk many years ago, but not squeak
14:30:47 <Speuler> t'was THE smalltalk of 15 years ago
14:31:04 <Speuler> the expensive one, before the other cheaper one came out
14:31:11 <MrReach> what was? Squeak? the one you played with?
14:31:14 <Speuler> win stuff that was
14:31:17 <Speuler> no
14:31:23 <Speuler> forget the brand name
14:31:30 <MrReach> oh,ok
14:31:59 <MrReach> I'm playing with it because it seems to reun on nearly everything, including my PDA
14:35:27 <Speuler> i upgraded my machine at that time, from 2 mb to 8 mb
14:35:49 <MrReach> heh
14:36:30 <Speuler> digitalk smalltalk was t he cheap one
14:36:41 <MrReach> I remember digitalk
14:37:19 <Speuler> the one i was toying was run with 2 meg, but just.
14:37:31 <Speuler> each mouse movement caused it to swap
14:37:47 <Speuler> that was on a 386/33
14:37:59 <Speuler> state-of-the-art machine at that time
14:38:06 <Speuler> i paid 2500$ for it
14:38:18 <Speuler> with 2 mb
14:38:42 <Speuler> the mem upgrade was 500 $
14:38:44 <MrReach> yes, I remember
14:38:50 <MrReach> I was in college
14:39:04 <Speuler> was the only machine in the office which could run it
14:39:39 <Speuler> "office" was a shop, selling, among others, smalltalk
14:40:13 <Speuler> but i never got far with it
14:41:00 <MrReach> heh, how come?
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14:42:46 <Speuler> i wasn't impressed by a system you couldn't put a "hello world" program on a single floppy disk
14:43:10 <MrReach> heh, you're probably not a LISP fan, either
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15:04:07 <Speuler> i hardly use floppies anymore
15:04:23 <MrReach> neither do I
15:04:26 <MrReach> in fact ...
15:04:38 <MrReach> I don't think I HAVE a working floppy drive right now.
15:04:39 <Speuler> i suppose zou and zour wife haven't been to a "biergarten" yet
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15:17:07 <Speuler> did i drop out of the channel short time ago ?
15:17:21 <MrReach> yes
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15:30:52 <Speuler> internet doesn't work very well today
15:31:06 <Speuler> lots of servers down, or routes broken
15:31:37 <MrReach> bummer
15:31:55 <Speuler> what would you like to see in germany ?
15:31:57 <Speuler> castles ?
15:32:07 <Speuler> beergardens ?
15:32:43 <MrReach> me? not a whole lot, yes would like to see the castles
15:32:52 <MrReach> would also like to see where the Wall stood
15:33:12 <MrReach> there is much regional history and art, too
15:33:16 <Speuler> on  http://happycamper/blik.wox.org/... are a few photos of castle Neuschwanstein
15:33:31 <Speuler> images are called Neuschwanstein1 and 2 i think
15:33:44 <Speuler> made when i visited it a few months ago
15:34:11 <Speuler> looks like coming right out of disneyland
15:34:28 <Speuler> the king who build it was mad
15:34:35 <MrReach> I'm only getting a "come again soon" notice
15:34:49 <Speuler> the interior reflects his mental condition
15:35:02 <MrReach> oh! yes! I've seen several hours of biographic material on that particular castle
15:35:33 <MrReach> and, yes, it is the castle that Walt Disney modeled *HIS* castles after
15:35:37 <Speuler> neuschwanstein is very popular with japanese, australian and us tourists
15:35:59 <MrReach> didn't know you had been there
15:36:04 <MrReach> the grotto is hella neat
15:36:08 <Speuler> there are 3 castles within 0.4 square miles
15:36:44 <Speuler> it is just about 60 miles from where i am right now
15:37:07 <Speuler> nice setting
15:37:18 <Speuler> did wild camping at the lake side
15:37:26 <Speuler> with some australians
15:37:54 <Speuler> and later the evening, german hippies-to-come with their volkswagen busses showed up
15:38:15 <Speuler> had a good time, cooking bread in the fire
15:38:29 <Speuler> and passing drinks and joints oops
15:38:53 <MrReach> wish I had been there
15:38:56 <Speuler> make it "tea" :)
15:39:10 <MrReach> sounds like fun, maybe I better learn to speak german and spend the summer
15:39:22 <Speuler> most germans speak english
15:39:28 <MrReach> oh, goody
15:39:54 <MrReach> if I ever visit, I'll be sure to look you up
15:40:00 <Speuler> many of them not very well but enough for basic communication
15:40:10 <Speuler> i'd love that
15:40:24 <Speuler> i may be in munich till june 2002
15:40:43 <MrReach> learning a new language causes fundamental change within the brain, and influences perspective more than most people know
15:41:03 <Speuler> i found that to be true
15:41:18 * Speuler speaks 4 languages
15:41:30 <MrReach> JUST learning german would prob be beneficial on its own
15:41:37 <MrReach> I only speak English
15:41:59 <Speuler> brb
15:43:30 <MrReach> I'm thinking very seriously of custom building a buss-motorhome
15:44:01 <MrReach> the motorhomes I'm seeing either aren't very strong, aren't very classy/confortable, or are outrageously expensive
15:44:18 * MrReach shrugs, "Getting it to Europe might be a challenge"
15:48:14 <Speuler> get one here
15:48:34 <Speuler> use it 4 a while, sell it again
15:48:41 <MrReach> an empty buss?
15:48:51 <Speuler> motor home
15:48:54 <MrReach> heh, so much for class and comfort
15:48:59 <MrReach> ah! ok
15:49:40 <MrReach> actually, that would probably work better ... American busses prob don't do so well on European roads
15:49:47 <Speuler> the australian i went to neuschwanstein just bought their camping car
15:50:16 <Speuler> i met them on the day they purchased it
15:50:24 <Speuler> nice car indeed
15:50:31 <MrReach> heh
15:50:32 <Speuler> comfy
15:50:47 <Speuler> some photos on happycamper.blik...
15:50:55 <Speuler> about 4000$
15:51:08 <Speuler> diesel engine
15:51:21 <Speuler> bigger than my bus
15:51:36 <Speuler> (but mine is sturdier)
15:51:57 <Speuler> i paid about 2500
15:52:11 <Speuler> a friend bought one for 600$
15:52:19 <Speuler> small one
15:52:24 <Speuler> volkswagen
15:52:36 <Speuler> but fully equipped
15:53:04 <Speuler> fridge, heating, retractable roof
15:53:31 <Speuler> for 2500 one should be able to get a reasonable bus
15:53:49 <MrReach> that website doesn't have ANY photes
15:53:50 <Speuler> prices tend to rise in summer
15:53:52 <MrReach> phots
15:54:04 <MrReach> it only has "building site, come again soon"
15:54:08 <Speuler> happycamper.blik.wox.org ?
15:54:20 <Speuler> only photos, nothing else ...
15:54:24 <MrReach> let me try that one
15:55:03 <MrReach> ok, this one ... http://happycamper.blik.wox.org
15:55:11 <MrReach> doesn't connect, but this one ...
15:55:28 <MrReach> http://happycamper/blik.wox.org/
15:55:36 <MrReach> give me "under construction"
15:55:53 <Speuler> that's not mine
15:55:58 <Speuler> mine is 
15:56:00 <Speuler> happycamper.blik.wox.org
15:56:19 <Speuler> it is just a virtual domain of blik.wox.org
15:56:24 <MrReach> ok
15:56:33 <MrReach> I can't connect to it right now, for some reason
15:56:41 <Speuler> nor can't i ...
15:56:41 <MrReach> although DNS seems to have found it
15:57:03 <MrReach> which means that blik.wox.org is probably working
15:57:04 <Speuler> traceroute stops in amsterdam
15:57:12 <MrReach> ah! ok
15:57:24 <Speuler> just a few miles to go from there 
15:57:26 <MrReach> will try again later
15:57:49 <MrReach> my 5th wheel trailer is "comfy"
15:58:08 <Speuler> getting it to europe may be costly
15:58:15 <MrReach> got all kinds of fancy stuff ... however, I had to supply my own 12v/120v inverter
15:58:22 <Speuler> or, go to brazil, take boat to portugal
15:58:29 <Speuler> much cheaper
15:58:33 <MrReach> I'm not entirely happy with the camper
15:58:48 <Speuler> inverters aren't expensive
15:59:01 <Speuler> i got a 400 watts one for 80 $
15:59:24 <Speuler> sucks the battery empty in no time under load
15:59:25 <MrReach> yes, my 650W inverter cost $69.95
15:59:52 <Speuler> getting 120 v ones is more difficult here
15:59:59 <MrReach> yes, I can imagine
16:00:38 <Speuler> most electic devices run on 220 v
16:00:41 <Speuler> electric
16:01:07 <MrReach> I'm into the camper/truck about $8,800 and some maintenance expense
16:01:28 <MrReach> in your country, yes, everything here is 120v
16:02:00 <MrReach> those are emerican dollars, btw, not wure how it translates right now
16:02:10 <Speuler> brain.upc.nl is as far it gets
16:02:32 <MrReach> not even sure which dollars you were using
16:03:27 <Speuler> i quit for tonight
16:03:34 <MrReach> ok
16:03:34 <Speuler> cafe is about to close
16:03:50 <Speuler> good night
16:03:54 <MrReach> be well
16:04:02 <Speuler> same to you
16:04:12 <Speuler> enjoy toyforth
16:04:23 <MrReach> thanks, I'll have a look at it
16:04:25 <Speuler> had a look at u. ?
16:04:43 <MrReach> not as yet, just opened to be sure it was readable
16:04:51 <MrReach> see you tomorrow?
16:04:55 <MrReach> I can now, if you like
16:04:59 <Speuler> not sure
16:05:06 <Speuler> sunday
16:05:19 <Speuler> i'll find out
16:05:21 <Speuler> cu
16:05:24 <MrReach> cu
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17:55:33 <futhin> hi clog! sexy mang!
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18:34:29 <MrReach> hihi
18:34:36 <Fare> lolo
18:34:43 <Fare> wassup?
18:34:56 <MrReach> reading about Smalltalk tonight ... how about you?
18:35:06 <Fare> not doing much
18:38:21 <Fare> my dad bought a HP49
18:38:30 <MrReach> heh, cool
18:39:53 * Fare wonders how much RPL has changed since the HP28 days
18:40:08 <MrReach> probably very little
18:40:17 <MrReach> the set of commands is more likely to change
18:40:36 <MrReach> also, the number of temporary storage registers and how they're accessed might change
18:46:11 <Fare> temporary storage registers???
18:46:35 <MrReach> yes
18:46:58 <MrReach> I should imagine that the newer calcs have something like "mem store" on more conventional calcs
18:47:25 <Fare> oh yes
18:47:36 <Fare> but it was already no more "registers" in the HP28
18:47:49 <Fare> you had objects and dictonaries
18:47:56 <MrReach> oh, ok
18:48:07 <Fare> the HP41 had registers.
18:48:47 <MrReach> I've never owned an HP ... so these are musings, not knowegable input
18:49:01 <Fare> that's ok
18:49:46 <Fare> think of the HP RPL as a mix between FORTH, Postscript, Pascal and LISP.
18:50:02 <Fare> with a bit of Mathematica
18:50:14 <MrReach> haha! YUCK!
18:50:26 <Fare> it's actually nice
18:50:31 <Fare> the visible stack is great
18:58:15 <Fare> the fact that it's strongly typed is nice, too
18:58:32 <Fare> no low-level manual type-management as in FORTH.
18:59:17 <Fare> (or rather, the type-management is made very easy thanks to runtime catching of errors and debug-time typed visible stack)
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