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07:25:33 <MrReach> hihi
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07:51:44 <edrx> hi
07:51:48 <edrx> hurd time again
07:51:58 <MrReach> heh, bouncing back and forth, eh?
08:29:48 <edrx> yup
08:30:06 <edrx> and spending most of the time in console mode, while I run IRC in X
08:31:28 <edrx> now it's time to reboot, I've fetched the .debs, placed them in a dir where I can install them from Hurd, etc
08:31:37 <MrReach> good luck
08:32:05 <edrx> it would be nice if I could something like that (I'll give you an url in aminute) for some version of colorforth
08:32:35 <edrx> here: http://angg.twu.net/e/hurd.e.html#HIG-firstboots
08:32:48 <edrx> I'm automating most stages of the installation and configuration
08:33:02 <edrx> or sort of
08:33:11 <edrx> brb, boot time
08:33:28 * MrReach nods, "OK"
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10:02:56 <MrReach> wb
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10:06:35 <edrx> hi
10:07:09 <edrx> everything is nice there except for an evil keyboard bug
10:07:58 <edrx> if you type shift-up then every other time you press or depress one of the shift/alt/control keys you get a message on the screen
10:08:05 <edrx> kd_setleds1: unexpected state (1)
10:08:14 <edrx> >:(
10:08:59 <MrReach> heh
10:09:08 <MrReach> not too terribly nasty
10:09:24 <MrReach> at least you know where it's getting desynced
10:09:31 <edrx> yup
10:10:10 <MrReach> interesting that it's the LED code that barfs, rather than the handler itself
10:10:42 <edrx> yes, really weird
10:11:02 <edrx> and I have already stumbled on that bug months ago
10:11:12 <edrx> I though it would have been fixed
10:11:14 <MrReach> this is something you wrote?
10:11:35 <MrReach> sounds like the keyboard handler needs to be gone through and cleaned up
10:11:53 <MrReach> low-level keyboard stuff tends to accumulate cruft
10:13:06 <MrReach> are you using a generic keyboard? brand name keyboard? does it send standard codes? are you sure?
10:13:32 <edrx> it is pretty standard, I think
10:14:20 <MrReach> do you have a PDA yet? which one?
10:15:16 <edrx> what is a PDA?
10:15:35 <MrReach> Personal Data Assistant, like a Palm Pilot or something
10:15:37 <edrx> I'm becoming anticonsumistic and antitechnological
10:15:56 <edrx> no, no, just this i386 (pentium III) box
10:16:04 <MrReach> "I'm becoming anticonsumistic and antitechnological" he types to me
10:16:49 <MrReach> heh, ok
10:17:40 <edrx> really, some years ago I decided to stop buying things, even CDs
10:17:48 <edrx> it's nothing personal
10:18:08 <MrReach> no prob
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13:32:35 <MrReach> hihi
13:32:40 <qless> hiho mrreach
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15:44:14 <MrGone> greetings!
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16:00:43 <I440r> hi :)
16:00:44 <I440r> ./away not all here :)
16:00:55 <MrReach> so i c
16:01:01 <I440r> hehe
16:01:47 <MrReach> god, I'm browsing the MicroSoft cross compiler for writing embedded applications
16:01:54 <I440r> hehe
16:01:58 <MrReach> what a sorry state of affairs
16:01:59 <I440r> never heared of it
16:02:58 <MrReach> heh, when you write an app with MSC, you get the normal edit/compile/run loop
16:03:34 <MrReach> with the development kit, you can choose to run in an emulator on the local machine ... or on the remote machine via comm channel
16:04:09 <MrReach> (serial, ethernet, usb, firewire, infrared, whatever)
16:04:27 <MrReach> the whole thing is gigantic and awkward
16:04:32 <I440r> hehe
16:04:33 <I440r> i bet
16:04:41 <I440r> ive yet to see a well written emulator
16:04:51 <I440r> i mean front end to an emulator
16:04:56 <MrReach> most emulators needn't be bulletproof
16:05:07 <MrReach> oh, yes, it's kinda hard
16:05:08 <I440r> a gazilluon menu options that nobody would ever use
16:05:12 <I440r> and a shitload missing
16:05:31 <I440r> and you can never set a breakpoint
16:05:33 <I440r> they never work
16:05:51 <I440r> set break on address and the IP stops on the FOLLOWINT instruction
16:05:54 <I440r> or not at all
16:05:54 <MrReach> been at browsing WinCE specs for two days now, trying to program my PDA
16:06:05 <I440r> why bother :P
16:06:12 <I440r> why bother with anything for windows
16:06:19 <I440r> its a monstrocity
16:06:21 <MrReach> because the PDA is hella nice
16:07:19 <MrReach> actually, I don't think win is a monstrosity, but this bit about trying to hide the hardware from the programmer on an embedded machine is going a bit too far
16:07:57 <MrReach> ooop, wifey's home ... need to see if she wants to drive to Idaho with me tonight.
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16:08:40 <I440r> :)
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18:18:49 <MrReach> I'm back. Did you miss me terribly?
18:19:04 <MrReach> where is Speuler today?
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18:44:36 <MrReach> greetings!
18:45:09 <qless> heya mrreach :)
18:46:13 <qless> trying out mirc here...
18:46:36 <MrReach> I like it ... good software
18:47:00 <qless> so far so good
18:54:43 <qless> time to go roaming, later
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19:16:07 * plbofh is back (gone 42:50:28)
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19:22:51 <MrReach> greets!
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19:23:07 <edrx> hi - still here?
19:23:14 <MrReach> yep
19:23:29 <MrReach> will be for another 1/2 hour, anyway
19:23:44 <edrx> what are you doing that you are spending so much time in front of the computer?
19:23:53 <MrReach> browsing the spec sheets for the Hitachi SH-3 that my PDA uses
19:24:15 <edrx> ok, looks fun
19:24:17 <MrReach> heh, I've lived in front of a computer for about 4 years now
19:24:44 <edrx> I live in front of the computer for a few days at a trime
19:27:57 <MrReach> god, I wish IBM had chosen something as nice instead of x86
19:29:03 <plbofh> I wish the consumers would have gone with the superior 68x family machines, instead of listening to salesmen.
19:29:30 <MrReach> agreed, Amiga was exemplory of its superiority
19:29:55 <MrReach> couldn't build something similar with x86 for nearly (what?) 8 years
19:31:00 <plbofh> IMNSHO, more like 13 years. :)
19:31:12 <MrReach> ok
19:36:31 <MrReach> heh, the SH3 has an external pin that determines whether it stores data in big-endian or little-endian format
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