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00:31:02 <futhin> supsup
00:44:20 <futhin> hmm, bedtime
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03:26:48 <schirkaan> lol@topic
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03:27:36 <MrReach> I don't see the topic, brb
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03:27:59 <MrReach> nope, still no topic, servers must be desynced
03:28:04 <MrReach> how are you?
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06:53:22 <MrReach> hihi!
06:53:44 <Speuler> hi mrreach
06:53:49 <Speuler> good morning
06:53:56 <Speuler> u're up early
06:53:59 <MrReach> good morn to you, also
06:54:07 <MrReach> heh, been up since 3:30
06:54:23 <Speuler> that's about when i came home
06:54:43 <Speuler> CET :)
06:54:53 * MrReach nods
06:57:43 <Speuler> still have a foggy head
07:01:04 <Speuler> where are all the forth people gone ?
07:01:20 <MrReach> I don't know
07:01:35 <Speuler> i don't hope they went to c++
07:01:46 <Speuler> or ada
07:01:52 <MrReach> well, I440r doesn't have dsl anymore
07:02:00 <MrReach> so he doesn't idle here anymore
07:02:14 <MrReach> futhin was on for a bit last night
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08:49:42 <futhin> hi!?
08:49:45 <futhin> mrreach?
08:49:47 <futhin> mrgone
08:50:27 <futhin> my irc client doesn't beep
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09:33:06 <futhin> bah
09:33:09 <futhin> gonna go shower
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10:03:36 <futhin> hi schirkaan
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10:03:48 <futhin> hi mrreach
10:04:06 <futhin> so how do i do sockets in gforth?  i grepped the documentation..
10:04:07 <MrReach> hihi
10:04:13 <futhin> didn't find anything on "ports" or "socket"
10:05:06 <futhin> schirkaan you there?
10:06:14 <MrReach> what patform are you on? Windows or Linux?
10:06:22 <futhin> linux
10:06:31 <futhin> *nix
10:06:37 <futhin> it's AIX but who cares? :P
10:06:56 <MrReach> ok, then use the glibc library commands to open sockets
10:07:12 <futhin> hmm
10:07:21 <futhin> so how do i do that? :)
10:07:22 <MrReach> (sorry, forgot what they were, by now)
10:07:26 <futhin> hmm
10:07:31 <futhin> how do i interface with the glibc?
10:07:37 <MrReach> they are also undocumented
10:07:54 <MrReach> just a sec while I try to find the appropriate source file
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10:10:24 <MrReach> ok, file is lib.fs
10:10:50 <futhin> hmm
10:11:18 <MrReach> the words you want are library: and proc:
10:11:45 <MrReach> you'll have to play with the parameter order to get it right
10:12:11 <MrReach> then, import the glibc socket commands
10:12:51 <futhin> do i have to call lib.fs then and then use the words inside lib.fs? 
10:13:26 <MrReach> just a sec, and I'll get you a URL for glibc
10:13:29 <MrReach> no
10:13:33 <MrReach> shouldn't have to
10:13:48 <MrReach> you see, libc is used for console output anyway
10:14:10 <futhin> PROC: and LIBRARY
10:14:12 <MrReach> although that is at the C level
10:14:17 <futhin> those two are defined in lib.fs
10:14:23 <MrReach> yes
10:14:37 <MrReach> it will take a couple of hours of futzing to get it figured out
10:14:55 <futhin> uh? so you are not recommending me to just "require lib.fs" ?
10:15:04 <futhin> you are recommending that i hack it myself?
10:15:12 <MrReach> once you do, you'll be able to load any shared library you can find docs for
10:15:16 <futhin> the code is so ugly :(
10:15:24 <MrReach> no, I'm not recoomending that
10:15:58 <MrReach> that's because the engine is written in C
10:16:31 <MrReach> so the stuff has to be translated to C types, then translated back
10:16:34 <futhin> hmm?  if i want to call glibc commands, i should use lib.fs ???
10:16:39 <MrReach> anyway, the URL ..
10:16:46 <MrReach> yes, you should
10:16:51 <futhin> ok
10:17:11 <futhin> it seems that all the code is relatively ugly..  they don't factor it up enough or something heh
10:18:45 <MrReach> http://www.gnu.org/manual/glibc-2.2.3/libc.html
10:19:10 <MrReach> it is a "research" forth
10:19:26 <MrReach> so it tends to get crufty with things they've tried
10:20:31 <futhin> i've got a very low tolerance for reading code..  i'm a wimp when it comes to reading code.   that's why i find the code in lib.fs ugly for example..   and i kinda agree with chuckmoore's "factor it all up, minimum two lines of code to a word, maximum two parameters passed on stack"
10:20:47 <futhin> so i expect people to be coding the way chuck moore recommends it :P
10:22:56 <futhin> so i'll have to do s"glibc" LIBRARY or something? :)
10:23:29 <futhin> fun fun
10:25:28 <MrReach> yep
10:25:43 <MrReach> I can't remember how the libj words are used, and they're undocumented
10:26:31 <MrReach> oh!
10:26:47 <MrReach> it's documented pretty well in the file ... do this:
10:28:15 <MrReach> library libc: /lib/libc-2.1.3.so
10:28:24 <MrReach> and then do:
10:28:54 <futhin> i gotta go.. do homework
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10:30:00 <MrReach> glibc: ... nevermind
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