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12:52:21 <Speuler> g'day
12:52:36 <futhin> good day
12:52:39 <futhin> how's it going?
12:52:42 <Speuler> hi futhin
12:52:47 <Speuler> not so bad at all
12:52:54 <Speuler> weekend mood
12:52:54 <futhin> how is the internet cafe going?
12:53:01 <Speuler> just sitting here
12:53:21 <futhin> heh
12:53:23 <futhin> same
12:53:24 <Speuler> still looking for a reasonable bootp client
12:53:40 <Speuler> found an eprom programmer
12:53:51 <futhin> hmm?  bootp for what purpose?
12:53:52 <Speuler> need a ne2k bootrom image
12:54:12 <Speuler> to boot workstations from net
12:54:22 <Speuler> from bootp server
12:54:47 <futhin> why would you want to do that?  to keep the workstatsions consistent and the same across all workstations?
12:54:52 <Speuler> floppy might do for the moment too, but can't decide which client program
12:55:01 <Speuler> single floppy linux f.e.
12:55:10 <futhin> f.e?
12:55:14 <Speuler> to get rid of the harddisks
12:55:17 <Speuler> for example
12:55:23 <futhin> hmm
12:55:42 <Speuler> i looked at some but can't make up my mind
12:56:02 <futhin> so you want the bootp client for the internet cafe?
12:56:52 <Speuler> the owner wants to replace the existing pcs against diskless x terminals
12:57:25 <Speuler> Linu Router Project looks dead
12:57:40 <Speuler> i heard and read about linux for terminal project
12:57:52 <futhin> why not get dumb terminals or "x terminals" and have a server and a backup server?
12:58:06 <Speuler> and there are some more single floppy linux distrib
12:58:29 <Speuler> but i don't know which one i can just stick on a floppy, to negotatiate boot with the bootp server
12:58:42 <Speuler> do you know ?
12:59:12 <futhin> umm.. well it depends on the boot client itself?
12:59:16 <Speuler> that's exactly the plan (x terminals)
12:59:20 <Speuler> no.
12:59:27 <Speuler> that's just for testing
12:59:44 <Speuler> i don't want to put much effort into choosing
12:59:50 <futhin> will the single floppy linux distro have enough memory on disk to put all the boot stuff on it?
13:00:00 <Speuler> think so
13:00:20 <Speuler> may be formatted to 1722 k too
13:00:45 <futhin> there probably is already a boot disk with all the bootp stuff on it..
13:00:52 <Speuler> i've set up diskless boot at home but that's years ago
13:01:05 <Speuler> exactly that disk is what i'm looking for ...
13:01:13 <Speuler> but too much choice
13:01:23 <Speuler> don't want to try them all out
13:01:34 <futhin> heh
13:01:41 <futhin> what are the choices?
13:02:02 <futhin> or give me a site with all the choices or something
13:02:17 <Speuler> pcoket linux
13:02:21 <Speuler> pocket linux
13:02:22 <Speuler> lrp
13:02:31 <Speuler> lft
13:02:37 <Speuler> bwimage
13:02:44 <Speuler> etherboot
13:02:45 <Speuler> netboot
13:02:59 <futhin> what's wrong with netboot?
13:03:00 <Speuler> "image2.50"
13:03:18 <Speuler> i don't know whether there's anything wrong with it
13:03:42 <Speuler> i think i would have to get the cwyrn.. drivers from a simtel archive
13:03:45 <Speuler> sounds like msdos
13:03:51 <futhin> i've heard of netboot before.. it's a solid brandname :P
13:03:56 <futhin> er..
13:04:03 <futhin> "it's a brandname"  drop the solid
13:04:10 <Speuler> or do i confuse packages ?
13:04:12 <futhin> what's lft ?
13:04:20 <Speuler> lts
13:04:22 <futhin> netboot is probably msdos simtel i think
13:04:37 <futhin> lts? long name?
13:04:56 <Speuler> linux terminal s....
13:05:04 <futhin> hm
13:05:08 <Speuler> s shouldn't stand for server
13:05:26 <Speuler> or maybe it is, and there's the client image ready to run too
13:05:33 <futhin> what's wrong with lrp?
13:05:38 <Speuler> no idea
13:05:44 <Speuler> what is wrong with it ?
13:05:57 <futhin> nothing..  you said it looks dead,  but does that matter? :)
13:06:03 <Speuler> my home setup used to boot some dos thing
13:06:19 <Speuler> possibly the crywnd
13:06:35 <Speuler> together with something else which i forgot
13:06:50 <futhin> well i'm sorry, i can't help you out much
13:06:56 <Speuler> as long it tries to negotiate bootp it would be fine
13:06:57 <futhin> haven't really done much with bootp
13:07:21 <Speuler> how mud going ?
13:07:24 <futhin> i'd probably go with lrp because it seems the most professional..
13:07:31 <futhin> mud isn't really going :(
13:07:41 <futhin> because i'm lazy
13:07:49 <Speuler> good advice i hope because i'll check it out
13:07:51 <futhin> and because i can't figure out how to do sockets in gforth
13:08:13 <futhin> do you know how to do sockets in gforth? :)
13:08:24 <Speuler> i wish i could tell you. never used gforth socket support
13:08:39 <Speuler> should resemble opening files
13:08:44 <futhin> hmm
13:09:01 <futhin> it's weird, i did a grep for "ports" and "socket" in the documentation.. came up with nothing
13:09:17 <futhin> and i looked thru the documentation.. 
13:09:48 <Speuler> but i've hooked gforth on a port once, as server
13:09:54 <Speuler> and connected with telnet
13:10:12 <Speuler> only, i didn't use gforth facilities to do that
13:10:18 <Speuler> instead i used netcat
13:10:54 <Speuler> or was it the fromport toport  (linux utilities)
13:10:56 <Speuler> ?
13:11:05 <futhin> heh
13:11:09 <futhin> hmm
13:12:04 <Speuler> netcat -p <port> -l | gforth   or something like that
13:12:35 <Speuler> and how did i get the output out again ?
13:12:58 <Speuler> VERY maybe twas
13:13:55 <Speuler> netcat -p <port> -l | gforth | netcat -p <port>
13:14:15 <Speuler> and maybe the -t option for answering telnet negotiation
13:14:33 <Speuler> not very efficient way i suppose
13:15:09 <futhin> hmmmmmm..  so how does gforth send output and input to the users??
13:15:20 <futhin> (and get input)
13:15:54 <Speuler> through standard i/o which was redirected from/to socket with that util
13:16:59 <Speuler> netcat -p <port> -l   listens to a port, and send what it receives to standard out
13:17:25 <Speuler> can use it to watch netbus or back orifice and the like
13:17:48 <futhin> can this method be used to handle multiple users?? how?
13:18:22 <Speuler> i don't think so
13:19:32 <Speuler> LTSP  linux terminal server project
13:19:44 <futhin> argh
13:19:51 <futhin> seems like a bit of a hack
13:19:56 <futhin> LTSP is a hack :P
13:20:02 <futhin> hmm
13:22:09 <futhin> the mud itself should be doing the sockets stuff shouldn't it ? :)
13:23:21 <Speuler> etherboot "needs a bootstrap loader, usually in EPROM on network card, or on a floppy" ...
13:23:28 <Speuler> yes it should
13:23:49 <Speuler> so do i (bootstrap loader need)
13:24:07 <futhin> although the concept of netcating stuff is interesting..  
13:24:19 <Speuler> "also see here, and the LTSP" ...
13:24:36 <futhin> making it easy to put anything up onto the internet is cool if done properly
13:25:16 <Speuler> no need for program. write a server as script :)
13:25:37 <futhin> heh
13:25:38 <futhin> yeah
13:26:01 <Speuler> netboot "uses standard msdos packet driver"
13:26:08 <futhin> heh
13:26:25 <Speuler> crynwr
13:27:08 <Speuler> netboot contains sources and executable for bootrom
13:28:07 <Speuler> i might burn those into a 2764 or 128 if those are still available
13:28:57 <Speuler> could i put lilo on a floppy, and load the netboot image with it ??
13:29:21 <Speuler> figure i could try out 
13:29:33 <Speuler> or syslinux
13:30:37 <Speuler> "bootrom can be copied to a floppy and started from it upon boot"
13:31:01 <Speuler> two versions. one eprom image, one msdos .com
13:31:21 <Speuler> shit, i don't have msdos here ...
13:33:01 <futhin> heh
13:33:13 <Speuler> "need a packet driver". again.
13:33:31 <Speuler> i just want an image which i can dd to floppy ...
13:35:15 <Speuler> i don't get it. if one can put an image into a network card, to boot, what do i need a packet driver for if booting from floppy, and run it from there ??
13:35:44 <Speuler> i don't need one if i write an image to rom
13:36:08 <Speuler> and it is both just the same code .
13:36:12 <Speuler> more or less
13:39:55 <Speuler> i'll go on looking for a suitable linux bootdisk.
13:40:10 <Speuler> i'll be gone, changing machines
13:40:49 <Speuler> l8er
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18:07:51 <futhin> howdy edrx
18:07:58 <edrx> hi futhin
18:08:00 <futhin> are you familiar with gforth?
18:10:23 <futhin> do you know how to do sockets in gforth?
18:13:50 <edrx> no, I've used gforth too little
18:16:44 <futhin> have you coded in forth?
18:16:54 <futhin> i haven't really coded in forth yet..  but have you?
18:21:33 <edrx> yes, but not much in the last years... recently I've been usign ideas from Forth and coding Forth-like languages, but not written real Forth code
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