00:00:00 --- log: started forth/01.10.12 04:55:12 --- quit: MrReach () 06:19:29 --- join: MrReach (mrreach@209.181.43.190) joined #forth 06:37:19 --- join: futhin (thin@h24-66-209-114.cg.shawcable.net) joined #forth 06:37:23 moring 06:37:26 morning 06:37:33 blah 06:37:38 eh? :) 06:37:45 win32forth is *SO* hideously complex 06:37:48 heh 06:37:52 good morning 06:37:55 i know 06:38:06 win32forth is kinda lame from what little i've looked at 06:38:11 Win32 programming is not that difficult 06:38:29 but win32forth adds level after level of complexity 06:38:41 and whenever i view some word code, it's so ugly.. they don't do a good job of factorizing 06:38:58 anyone who thinks that forth discourages spagetti programming hasn't looked at win32forth 06:39:06 heh 06:39:20 * MrReach sighs. 06:39:57 chuck moore has two rules: each word shouldn't contain more than 2 lines of code, and don't pass more than 2 parameters on the stack 06:40:52 although i find myself breaking the 2 parameter rule :) 06:41:05 for 3 parameters in the ansi thingie for my mud.. 06:41:07 so do I 06:41:19 I start losing track at 4 params 06:41:37 that's when I start using locals 06:42:06 the ansi is: foreground color, background color, true/false. because it's : color ?ansi if ansi then ; 06:42:23 locals? i am trying to avoid variables at all costs 06:42:54 locals are destroyed when the word ends 06:43:03 for example .... 06:43:18 i probably shouldn't have ?ansi put in three variables if true.. i probably should just make it check that it's true, and then get the ansi word to fetch the damn settings itself 06:43:56 : test { a b c } a 1+ to a b 2 + to b c 3 + to c a . b . c . ; 06:44:29 ugh.. that looks really ugly 06:44:33 note the curly braces instead of the the normal parens used for comment 06:44:49 that's because this is IRC and it's all on one line, silly 06:45:04 i don't see much use for locals unless you code more than 2 lines for each word 06:45:15 test 1 1 1 -> 2 3 4 ok 06:45:24 the extreme programming methodology is pretty cool, kinda similar in ways to chuck moore's philosophy on coding methodology 06:45:31 www.extremeprogramming.com 06:45:38 yes, but I often write more than two lines of code 06:45:50 factor it up then 06:45:52 yes, I've read the site for two years, since its inception 06:46:00 that's what chuck moore and extreme programming say! :P 06:46:07 but locals are designed to prevent stack thrashing 06:46:19 when there are more than two parameters, for instance 06:46:20 brb: shower 06:46:25 ok, have fun 06:53:58 heh 06:54:20 well, there shouldn't be more than 2 parameters :P 06:54:45 there should be war, poverty, or automobile accidents, either 06:55:13 it probably takes a little more effort to only pass 2 parameters or less, and to keep words well factorized: less than 2 lines of code. and i think it should be worth it 06:55:35 yes and no 06:55:52 Forth has quite a bit of overhead in nesting into a word 06:56:39 I've seen deeply factored progs run substantially slower than shallow ones 06:57:17 god damn it, BBC is quoting Jague Cousteou agian 06:57:26 removeStep 06:57:26 | stepToRemove | 06:57:26 stepToRemove := self list selection. 06:57:26 stepToRemove isNil ifFalse: [stepToRemove isExecutable ifTrue: 06:57:26 [self list remove: stepToRemove. 06:57:28 steps remove: stepToRemove]] 06:57:30 The above code is correctly formatted. However, it is ugly. We could try adding extra returns and tabs, in violation of our formatting rules: 06:57:33 removeStep 06:57:34 | stepToRemove | 06:57:37 stepToRemove := self list selection. 06:57:38 stepToRemove isNil ifFalse: 06:57:41 [stepToRemove isExecutable ifTrue: 06:57:42 [self list remove: stepToRemove. 06:57:44 steps remove: stepToRemove]] 06:57:46 Let's face it, its still ugly. A better solution is to refactor, for example: 06:57:49 removeStep 06:57:50 self removeStep: self list selection 06:57:52 removeStep: aStep 06:57:55 aStep isNil ifTrue: [^self]. 06:57:56 aStep isExecutable ifFalse: [^self]. 06:57:58 self list remove: aStep. 06:58:00 steps remove: aStep 06:58:02 When we feel like breaking the formatting rules to make a method look better, we get better code by refactoring, in almost all cases. Give it a try. 06:58:05 sorry for the spam 06:58:07 <-- evil spammer 06:58:17 god damn it, BBC is quoting Jague Cousteou agian 06:58:21 heh 06:58:25 who is he? :) 06:58:38 the oceanographer? 06:58:45 hmm 06:58:52 did he discover something? 06:58:59 or figure out something? 06:59:02 globalwarming? 06:59:13 you know, "The Undersea World of Jaque Cousteou" ??? 06:59:33 sounds like "Jock Coo-stow" 06:59:37 nope... maybe i've heard of it, but i've forgotten it 07:00:16 ever since the mid-60s he's been writing documentaries for public TV, the UN, etc 07:00:38 yeah well, his name sounds _alittle_ familiar 07:00:44 very little though 07:01:06 what people don't know is that the emergency-release diver's harness that saved so many lives and made Cousteou so famous was my father's invention 07:01:20 hmm 07:01:32 so he's getting the credit for that?? 07:01:45 Cousteou beat him to the patant office, after dad asked him to use it for a couple of weeks to see if he could find any problems with it 07:02:15 yes, the original prototype was build from a GM seatbelt latch 07:02:44 well if your dad can prove that he concieved and invented it before costeou did.. 07:02:53 if he has papers etc 07:02:54 got credit for that ... the $4,000,000 or so he made for it then financed his furthor explorations 07:03:10 dad is dead, it's pointless 07:03:21 you could do it if there's papers 07:03:24 this was in the 60s, a patent is only good for 7 years anyway 07:03:45 so? take him to court and get some money out of it 07:03:59 it's pointless 07:04:28 you can find a lawyer that'll do it for "free" but will take a percentage of the money you get out of costeou 07:04:41 dad made the descision NOT to pursue it, and I came along too late to influence the descision 07:04:58 hmm.. it'll be fun, and you could get money out of it ;) 07:05:00 but old man Cousteou is a damn thief, and I'm not shy about saying it 07:05:10 court is NOT fun 07:05:13 believe me 07:05:29 so? the lawyer will handle all the hard stuff 07:05:42 anyway, it turns out that BBC was quoting his second son 07:05:53 what was the quote? 07:05:56 the old man might be dead by now 07:06:28 argh! all my grey socks have holes in them! 07:06:37 oh, the son is sinking old ships to build artificial reefs in the carribean 07:07:20 it's really weird, my grey socks have a hole in the tips of the sock, near the toes.. just one hole.. really annoying 07:07:30 heh 07:07:32 i wonder if something ate its way thru those holes 07:07:34 or something 07:07:54 same place? prob the way your foot wears against your shoes 07:08:02 are your toenails trimmed properly? 07:08:08 the holes are too neatly made 07:08:28 and my other socks don't have the problem 07:08:33 my black socks for example 07:08:41 so it's kinda puzzling heh 07:08:46 black socks used with different shoes? 07:08:55 they might be cheap socks, too 07:09:14 maybe the grey socks were designed to break apart at a specific place in order to force people to buy more socks! pure evil! 07:09:21 oh, now the Americans are terrorists 07:09:43 stupid shits need to learn the language they are using 07:09:49 the grey socks and black socks are from the same package, and i only wear one pair of shoes 07:10:05 and i wear the black and grey socks equally.. i have more black socks because they seem to last longer 07:10:05 you're right, quite odd 07:10:18 heh 07:10:45 americans are terrorists? tell me something i don't already know about ;) 07:11:18 why are americans terrorists? 07:11:44 because we're bombing an Arab nation 07:12:27 massive and violent riots in two cities in India, Pakistan, and Malysia 07:12:42 water cannons used for crowd control in Pakistan 07:13:53 are you american or british? 07:14:07 you always mention bbc so i'm thinking you aren't american? 07:14:20 I'm American 07:14:26 but I don't trust American media 07:14:28 (well, you've mentioned bbc twice or thrice heh) 07:14:39 I almost always have it turned on 07:15:14 imho, as a whole, amercians seem to be _extremely_ arrogant. they harp continuously about the land of the free and all sorts of shit just because of some little thing as breaking away from britain. canada has freedom too, but doesn't have or need that ridiculous religious fervor 07:15:42 i'm not really trying to flame or be offensive, i'm just sorta saying what i think heh 07:15:54 what i percieve 07:15:56 I don't know about religious fever, but we are proud of what we have built and how we live 07:16:09 perhaps too proud to be sufferable 07:17:07 it bothers me that Americans whine "Why do they hate us so much?" ... and then don't pursue the question enough to get a sensible answer 07:17:49 i think that americans are a little too proud.. it's great for building high morale, but it's just mostly hype.. canada is in the same place as usa, we have freedom, rights, all sorts of technology, we have a lot, we are quite proud, but we aren't loud about it 07:18:12 yes 07:18:31 you have better roads, too @:^> 07:18:37 at least in BC 07:18:47 they hate americans because of several different reasons.. one of the reasons is the muslim religion, and another reason is because usa has done a lot of bad stuff in the east.. 07:19:22 yes, I'm starting to get a handle on the anti-American perspective ... but I've spent a LOT of hours thinking about it 07:19:40 and I haven't learned much from American media AT ALL 07:19:53 americans are like "why do they hate us? we're the land of the free!" when in fact, usa has killed a lot of people in the east, and funded a lot of different people for war, and all sorts of crap 07:20:06 yes 07:20:19 but the sit is a bit different than you describe 07:20:21 and put in puppet leaders, etc 07:20:43 the Arabs live a VERY tenous life ... there's little between life and death 07:20:54 tenuous 07:21:21 they life in constant fear of their lives .... and this is normal, every day for them 07:21:44 in such a situation, ANY change is a very bad thing, no matter what it is 07:22:15 and we have been a strong agent of change in the mid-east ... regardless of wheather they're ready for change or not 07:22:20 5 palestinans die for every israeli.. and the thing is, israeli used to be part of palestinian. israeli are so well funded, that they have built military bunkers all over palestinian and have instituted curfew in their cities, etc.. it's quite horrific, it's no wonder palestinians are outraged, because israelis come in and start taking control of them 07:23:31 futhin: Jordan attacked Isreal ... Isreal took the west bank during a war declared by another country ... according to interntional law, that land is theirs, fair and square 07:23:55 in hindsight, they should ahve withdrawn with some grace 07:24:23 Jordon is going to get itself wiped off the map if they're not careful 07:25:12 the jewish people were given israel after ww2.. 07:25:14 in a way, Isreal is like a badger being harrassed by dogs 07:25:32 fast, mean, well armed, and ruthless 07:25:55 futhin: yes, they were, but not the west bank of the Gaza strip 07:26:08 israel is a religious & holy site to both jewish people and to the palestinian 07:26:21 yep, and the christians 07:26:28 so how do the palestinian feel about being raped and their holy site stolen ? 07:26:42 i'd be DAMNED pissed if i were them 07:26:56 of course the palastinians are pissed off, I never said they shouldn't be 07:27:03 that was in the early 60s 07:27:15 they should have done something different.. shared israeli 07:27:57 the israelis have established military bunkers in cities in palestinian as a "preventive" measure 07:27:59 in 1967 7 surrounding countries attacked Isreal simultaneously ... the 3 day war ... Isreal kicked their ass and took some of Jordan's land 07:28:24 according to law, it is *NOT* palistinian land 07:28:32 international law 07:28:38 yes 07:28:51 but before ww2 it was palestinian or maybe jordan? i forget 07:28:52 the palistinians screwed up, and lost some more land 07:29:02 yes, it was palastine 07:29:10 Jordon was the neighbor 07:29:29 the jews said "get out, it's ours now" ... most of the fled to neighboring Jordan 07:29:53 --- join: tcn (tcn@bespin.org) joined #forth 07:29:54 and still live there, drooling over the fance 07:29:58 greetings, tcl 07:30:03 hey 07:30:04 tcn, rather @:^> 07:30:57 it's a big damn mess, for sure 07:31:02 the whole israel issue isn't fair to the neighboring countries.. they have to dislike usa for taking their land and giving it away 07:31:22 it was either NATO or the UN that made the descision 07:31:36 both under major influence by the USA of course 07:31:49 and we are really the only policemen in the area 07:32:04 *COUGH*COUGH* :/ 07:32:08 not that Isreal needs protection anymore 07:33:21 it was generally agreed that the Jews needed a home of their own, especially after what Hitler did to them 07:33:24 i dunno, usa may consider itself a policeman (which is also a problem of arrogance), but usa hasn't always done the right things, usa has done a lot of bad things 07:33:34 (they've always been harassed) 07:33:43 yep, we have 07:33:54 heh.. if they just wanted a home, we had plenty of land here 07:34:02 so? why take israel? why not give them a place neighboring israel and then encourage palistinians to share access to israel 07:34:27 so we decided to give them their holy land, which inadvertantly fulfilled long-standing prophecies of several major religions 07:34:34 and set the stage for WWIII 07:35:03 israel is holy to both people, there's no right for usa to take israel from palestinians 07:35:16 that is correct 07:35:48 it's holy to chirstians, which might explain why britain agreed to help the zionists 07:35:54 don't forget that Canada was also at the table, and voted "yeah" to the creation of Isreal 07:36:28 yeah well, canadians go mushy when they hear a good sob story :P 07:36:54 maybe they said, "well, the jews have a long history of violence, just read the bible.. so we don't want 'em here" 07:36:54 well, the jews have about the saddest story every told 07:37:15 nah, it's the same old story 07:37:20 hmm, i think it would be a good idea to move all the people out of israel, and then BOMB israel.. that way israelis and palestinians have nothing to fight over.. 07:37:28 they have always been houned, harrassed, chased from country to country 07:37:32 africans, indians, scots, irish, picts, et..c. 07:37:45 scots? irish? 07:38:00 i'd agree that africians and native indians have had a bad time 07:38:04 * MrReach nods to tcn, "True" 07:38:32 scottland/ireland was occupied by brittain and forced to take Christianity at the end of a sword 07:38:44 yeah, go read about the Highland Clearances.. it was genocide.. same with the english invading ireland 07:38:48 what do you think about my bombing israel idea? (move everybody out) and then destroy everything.. so that nothing holy remains and they have nothing to fight over 07:39:04 whoever did it would be a dead man 07:39:22 futhin: well now their neighbors will do it.. 07:39:27 as you said, the region is holy to just about everybody 07:39:48 the region has holy stuff within it.. if that is destroyed, would the region still be religious hmm? 07:40:38 ehe.. you think bin laden would nuke israel if he got hold of pakistan's arsenal? 07:40:46 or is it too holy? 07:40:57 probably would just nuke usa 07:41:11 their missiles wo't reach 07:41:13 tcn: no, isreal is not his target right now 07:41:26 i was pissed that the terrorists didn't send an airplane to redmond ;) 07:41:32 haha 07:41:33 Duh! take the warhead off, CARRY to the USA 07:42:00 that's a good idea 07:42:06 in that case, they probably already have some russian warheads 07:42:22 yes, something to worry about 07:42:33 and biological warfare 07:42:37 need to buy some gasmasks 07:42:40 or something effective 07:42:52 interesting that Pakistan has asked for USA consultants for help in securing their nuclear facilities 07:43:04 hmm 07:43:09 I was thinking they could hide it in some American tourist's pleasure boat, and have their buddies here take it when they get home 07:43:16 pakistan is trying to be friends with usa 07:43:28 Pakistan is terrified 07:43:32 yup 07:43:53 no matter which way they turn, what they do or don't do, they're gonna be at the end of someone's gun 07:44:04 and they could go on irc.openprojects.net to tell them which boat it's on 07:44:09 we just have a bigger gun 07:44:17 * MrReach practices on his arrogance. 07:44:47 about 1.3 billion people in the world are muslims. and about 10 to 15 percent are extremists apparently. but what they don't tell you, is that muslim religion itself is actually all about hating others.. the koran is all about killing people, etc 07:44:53 mrreach: don't :P 07:45:10 "irc.openproject.net a terrorist tool!!!!" 07:45:35 didn't you here they used porn channels to arrange the WTC attack? 07:45:43 here??? hear 07:46:17 eventually people are going to figure out that muslim religion is not very nice to everybody else. and americans are going to launch some massive campaign to deal with the muslim religion.. 07:46:18 heh 07:46:34 tcn: that might have just been speculation?? 07:46:43 yes, but WHY are they not very nice? 07:47:09 futhin: have you ever watched the movie "Laurance of Arabia"?? 07:47:13 I wonder.. if we left them alone, would they quit bombing us? 07:47:37 nope, they are scorpions 07:47:40 the muslim religion was designed to be subversive.. it originally was used to overthrow a government 07:47:45 tcn: they aren't bombing usa? 07:48:01 koran is all about hate and guerilla warfare afaik 07:48:08 futhin: have you ever watched the movie "Laurance of Arabia"?? 07:48:12 with probably some sexist stuff thrown in 07:48:14 mrreach: yup 07:48:16 have you read the Koran? 07:48:27 ilaurence of arabia 07:48:30 laurence of arabia 07:48:50 nope, haven't read the koran, a friend who knows a lot about muslim was telling me that stuff 07:48:57 I don't even know Arabic.. 07:49:24 "So long as you fight tribe against tribe, Arab against Arab, you will always be a little people, foreever slaves at with will and beck of the western nations" 07:49:39 heheh 07:49:41 Well.. I've had some Muslim friends.. Kurds, Bosnians, etc.. 07:49:52 all good people 07:49:55 and that is EXACTLY what has happened 07:50:00 find out about their religion, find out if my friend is right 07:50:29 I intended to buy a translation of the Koran this coming week anyway 07:50:59 I doubt it's as bad as I'm hearing 07:51:16 it's probably worse :P 07:51:17 Islam is supposedly similar to Christianity.. suppose these "terrorist" types are the equivalent of our "fundamentalists".. 07:51:17 look at what they did with the Bible during the inquisition, for heaven's sake 07:51:34 tcn: yeah, i heard that by watching The West Wing 07:51:38 haha 07:51:42 yeah, why wasn't McVeigh declared a terrorist? 07:52:09 maybe his network wasnt big enough 07:52:13 we're wondering if Mcveigh was working with bin Laden etc.. 07:52:27 --- join: Fare (Fare.LISPM@samaris.tunes.org) joined #forth 07:52:33 he didn't work well with others, from what I understand 07:52:37 what i don't understand, is why some racist christian people don't like jewish people.. from what i understand, jewish religion is more closer to jesus than christianity ... :/ 07:52:43 he was in Saudi in 1991, and opposed to the US govt.. 07:53:21 <-- doesn't know a whole lot about religion 07:53:24 futhin: because the Jews looked carefully at the evidence and decided that Jesus of Nazareth was NOT the christ prphecied by Daniel 07:53:34 that pisses the christians off to no end 07:53:37 christian people like jewish -- instead of exterminating them, like other non-christians, they kept them alive. 07:53:59 hahaha! fare! 07:54:03 but Jesus was kind of a revolutionary against Jewish Law 07:54:07 get your facts straight -- historically, christians have been very nice to jewish people. 07:54:23 actually, they have, comparatively speaking 07:54:26 he said "throw the book out" basically 07:54:34 there's still not much love lost between them 07:54:35 pagans were simply exterminated or enslaved, etc. 07:54:50 or converted 07:55:00 jews could convert, too 07:55:14 also, the Jews have always been financially secure 07:55:21 MrReach: rubbish 07:55:25 you don't want to kill a guy who might loan you money 07:55:27 jewish people were around before jesus weren't they.. maybe that explains stuff? 07:55:31 most jews were dirt poor -- forbidden to be in any guild 07:55:35 but jewish sounds similiar to jesus 07:55:40 ok 07:55:56 heh, they were all Jews before Jesus came along 07:56:03 or in another religion altogether 07:56:04 although a few jews were rich indeed - for usury was forbidden to christians, but not jews. 07:56:16 usury? 07:56:30 letting money with interest 07:56:30 charging interest.. 07:56:33 usury: unfairly high interest 07:56:46 MrReach: not forcibly "unfairly high", in the original term 07:56:50 islam also prohibits usury 07:56:52 ok 07:57:19 tcn: well, that would alienate the Americans from them, then 07:57:36 western cultures are all about money ... or so they think 07:57:52 MrReach: as if other cultures were not 07:57:58 money is a tool, and a way to have a self-regulating economic system 07:58:09 in that way, they might have a valid point ... we might have lost the "spirit" of humanity somewhat 07:58:51 fare: none focus on money like the Americans, and many are poor but happy 07:58:51 hehe, yeah, I find myself agreeing with most of what our enemies say 07:58:54 i hate all people who are like "money can't buy you happiness" and think that having less money means they are happier.. what they don't understand is money is a tool.. incidentally, i hate materialists who need a ton of money 07:59:12 futhin: agreed 07:59:16 s/hate/dislike and distrust 07:59:25 I've been both poor and wealthy ... it's easier to be wealthy 07:59:29 s/hate/dislike and distrust and look for where is the logic :P 08:00:09 however, when I was poor, I was much more connected to the people around me ... go figure 08:00:17 it's easier to get rich than it is to stay poor/middleclass (because in order to get rich, you work REALLY hard for a few years and then you can retire, to be poor/middleclass, you have to work for your whole life) 08:00:22 MrReach: money is a fact of life. Being able to handle it well means being able to spend more time focusing on other things. 08:00:23 mrreach: how did you get rich? 08:01:15 the govt and drug companies gave me lots of money to apologise for giving me HIV in my medication ... and then mishandling so badly in the media 08:02:26 * MrReach grins and listens to the shocked silence. 08:02:35 that's some consolation :) 08:02:37 heh 08:02:47 i was actually gathering stuff for school 08:03:20 hiv is crappy.. but i haven't heard people dying from hiv much these days.. 08:03:39 it's old news 08:03:53 the drugs out there work now? 08:03:55 they;re still dying, don't worry 08:04:03 oh 08:04:13 yes, the drugs work better 08:04:27 not that I'll ever take them 08:04:41 it was medications that got me into this mess in the first place 08:05:04 well i've heard of people with hiv that live for a long time, without drugs.. 08:05:05 the HIV hasn't bothered nearly as much as the four strains of hapatitis they gave me 08:05:13 how long ago, and what medicine? 08:05:23 futhin: a few do ... I've beat the odds so far 08:05:36 hiv and 4 strains of hepatitis? all in the same medication?? 08:05:43 on Nov 10, 1987, I was told I had three years to live, more or less 08:05:52 yes, I'm a hemophiliac 08:06:07 the medication was a human-blood extract 08:06:11 you were a hemophiliac before you caught all that? 08:06:15 yes 08:06:24 i wonder if being hemophiliac helps? 08:06:26 still am, for that matter 08:06:37 well, most of us are dead now 08:07:22 is your condition degenerating over time? 08:07:46 it's funny, I'd call the lawyers regarding the cases, and I'd hear, "Oh my god! You're the plaintiff! Your still alive! Let me get you to who you need to talk to ... just a sec!" 08:08:03 heh 08:08:15 the hemophilia is slowly destroying my joints, and the hepatitis my liver 08:08:24 no sign of AIDS infections yet 08:08:31 hmm.. sucks 08:09:19 well, now you know I wasn't kidding when I said my arm was injured 08:09:35 my elbow was a big as a grapefruit for a couple of days there 08:09:45 are you content? have you done everything that you want to, seen your dreams and passions happen? 08:09:45 ouch 08:09:57 no, I'm not 08:09:58 i've got an awful lot of goals that i want to see achieved 08:10:03 i would be pissed 08:10:08 if anything happened to me 08:10:12 anger is pointless 08:10:26 well, i'd get on achieving my goals a lot faster too :) 08:10:29 I get fustrated with the pain sometimes 08:11:11 soemday, I'll probably come down with one of the opportunistic infections, and I'll off myself 08:12:29 hmm.. i've got a _lot_ of ideas that i want to see put into action in real life.. i've got at least 30 good ideas and dreams that i want to see happen 08:12:43 heh, don't wait then 08:12:54 put them on paper, and start checking them off 08:13:17 well, i sorta have to wait.. i have to get a degree, start making money, etc.. 08:13:29 i do have pretty much all of them on paper 08:13:36 erm ... no 08:13:46 most things do not need a degree 08:13:55 although many of them need _some_ money 08:13:58 well i need money.. 08:14:22 i scrapped most of my goals 08:14:22 and i dunno.. a degree is something i can fallback on if i screw up 08:14:23 getting a degree is not the way to get money 08:14:26 live from day to day 08:14:41 tcn: i can't do that heheh.. too painful ;) 08:14:46 tcn: I've been that way of late 08:15:00 it seems that what used to be important to me isn't so important any more 08:15:06 everybody gets that way.. i want to achieve everything before i get that way :P 08:15:36