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09:07:40 <MrReach> i can see your prob
09:07:53 <MrReach> [...] leaves # on stack
09:08:27 <MrReach> if you put a .S near the end of the file, you'll see your orig #s
09:08:46 <MrReach> nothing takes the # from stack
09:09:14 <MrReach> just a sec, lemme check ANS for exact syntax...
09:11:14 <futhin> hmm.. i thought emit would take it off stack?
09:12:08 <MrReach> ok, to use your method, try    [ ascii [ ] LITERAL uemit
09:12:59 <futhin> hmm
09:13:11 <MrReach> the word you want, though, is [CHAR]
09:13:21 <futhin> by saying "to use your method" you are implying there is another method, probably a better one?? :)
09:13:34 <MrReach> ... [CHAR] [ uemit ...
09:13:46 <MrReach> yes, I was
09:14:57 <MrReach> also ... 27 CONSTANT ESC ...
09:15:13 <MrReach> : blah ... ESC uemit ...
09:16:12 <futhin> heh, how'd you know it was esc? :)
09:16:37 <MrReach> I've written terminal drivers before
09:16:49 <futhin> neat :)
09:17:30 <MrReach> brb
09:21:01 <futhin> 27 constant ESC
09:21:01 <futhin> : ansi
09:21:01 <futhin> ESC uemit [CHAR] [ uemit
09:21:01 <futhin> 1 utype [ ascii ; ] uemit
09:21:01 <futhin> 2 utype [ ascii ; ] uemit
09:21:01 <futhin> 1 utype [ ascii ; ] uemit
09:21:03 <futhin> 2 utype [ ascii m ] uemit ;
09:21:08 <futhin> nevermind
09:21:52 <futhin> changed them all to char :)
09:21:56 <futhin> [char]
09:21:57 <futhin> ok
09:21:58 <futhin> thanks
09:22:04 <futhin> i'm gonna go to class now, talk to you later
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09:22:16 <MrReach> heh
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14:24:14 <futhin> hello
14:59:10 <MrReach> hihi
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15:00:20 <MrReach> hihi
15:00:21 <MrReach> what's up?
15:00:46 <MrReach> I'm changing to your server, brb
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15:03:39 <MrReach> hihi
15:03:41 <MrReach> what's up?
15:37:29 <futhin> just reading up on other mud designs
15:37:45 <MrReach> any briliant insights yet?
15:50:29 <futhin> not really..  doing some thinking about dynamically generated rooms as well as dynamically generated room/players/object descriptions
15:50:45 * MrReach nods
15:51:02 <futhin> have you ever played on muds?
15:51:08 <MrReach> what is the diff between dynamic and static rooms?
15:51:15 <MrReach> yes, years ago
15:52:33 <futhin> static rooms are in the db and have descriptions, etc.   dynamically generated rooms is probably where you have a map of some sort and you use the map to create the room on demand
15:53:04 <MrReach> oh, a default room?
15:53:16 <futhin> eh/
15:53:17 <futhin> eh?
15:53:22 <MrReach> hmmm ... good for mudder to experiment in
15:53:28 <futhin> default room??
15:53:45 <MrReach> go to a room that doesn't exist ...
15:54:03 <MrReach> it is created, with default params
15:54:33 <MrReach> when everyone leaves, it id destroyed, unless made "sticky"
15:55:18 <futhin> sorta..  and generates a description based on the rooms around it..  the rooms would have a terrain bit, can read in the terrain bits around the room and make that into the desc
15:56:31 <MrReach> ok
16:00:19 <futhin> there was a 16k mud code contest
16:00:32 <futhin> 16k of source code.. comments & blank lines not counted
16:00:50 <MrReach> heh
16:03:43 <MrReach> how pointless
16:08:58 <futhin> not really
16:09:03 <futhin> um
16:09:17 <futhin> good coding exercise, there were some interesting solutions, etc
16:09:20 <futhin> useful for me to look at :)
16:09:34 <futhin> do you know ansi stuff?
16:09:57 <futhin> what does ^[[1m30m  do?
16:10:02 <futhin> 30 is black
16:10:08 <futhin> and 1 is bright i think
16:10:57 <MrReach> yes, haave worked with ans vt100 terms
16:11:07 <MrReach> terminals
16:11:24 <MrReach> but don't memorise that sort of stuff
16:11:38 <futhin> um..  is it ^[[1m30m or is it ^[[1;30m ? :)
16:12:01 <MrReach> sould be the later
16:12:18 <MrReach> w/ trailing semi, if I recall
16:23:00 <futhin> isn't this leet? :)
16:23:01 <futhin> ( ANSI Color Sequences )
16:23:01 <futhin> : Reset      0 ;
16:23:01 <futhin> : Bright     1 ;
16:23:01 <futhin> : Dim        2 ;
16:23:01 <futhin> : Underscore 4 ;
16:23:03 <futhin> : Blink      5 ;
16:23:04 <futhin> : Reverse    7 ;
16:23:07 <futhin> : Hidden     8 ;
16:23:09 <futhin> : Black   1 ;
16:23:11 <futhin> : Red     2 ;
16:23:13 <futhin> : Green   3 ;
16:23:15 <futhin> : Yellow  4 ;
16:23:17 <futhin> : Blue    5 ;
16:23:19 <futhin> : Magenta 6 ;
16:23:21 <futhin> : Cyan    7 ;
16:23:23 <futhin> : White   8 ;
16:23:25 <futhin> : Foreground 30 + ;
16:23:27 <futhin> : Background 40 + ;
16:23:29 <futhin> : Normal Dull White Foreground Dull Black Background ;
16:23:35 <futhin> i think it's really cool and desirable to be able to make something as understandable as
16:23:37 <futhin> : Normal Dull White Foreground Dull Black Background ;
16:26:00 <MrReach> heh
16:26:17 <MrReach> yes, pretty sharp
16:26:42 <futhin> mrreach
16:26:42 <futhin> um
16:26:58 <MrReach> ???
16:27:20 <futhin> am i supposed to output the ansicolor code for every character, or can i just output the color until the next time the color changes?
16:27:30 <MrReach> the latter
16:27:44 <futhin> ok
16:27:57 <futhin> so <ansicolor> blahblahblhalbha  <someother ansi> blahblah
16:28:02 <MrReach> don't foget ...
16:28:39 <MrReach> that you can also "get current position" ... and "scroll region"
16:29:09 <futhin> hmm yeah
16:29:14 <futhin> i was sorta going to ignore that heh
16:29:18 <futhin> maybe i should check that out heh
16:29:43 <MrReach> it allows you to break terminal into "panes"
16:30:01 <futhin> yeah
16:30:08 <futhin> that could be usefull
16:31:19 <futhin> Scroll Screen           &ltESC>[r
16:31:19 <futhin>            Enable scrolling for entire display.
16:31:19 <futhin>       Scroll Screen           &ltESC>[{start};{end}r
16:31:19 <futhin>            Enable scrolling from row {start} to row {end}.
16:31:19 <futhin>       Scroll Down             &ltESC>D
16:31:20 <futhin>            Scroll display down one line.
16:31:22 <futhin>       Scroll Up               &ltESC>M
16:31:24 <futhin>            Scroll display up one line.
16:31:26 <futhin> that's all i see for scrolling?
16:32:52 <MrReach> don't you have the ansi spec in front of you?
16:33:35 <MrReach> is that it?
16:33:49 <futhin> yeah, but it might not be the official ansi spec
16:33:59 <MrReach> doesn't look like it
16:34:03 <futhin> in fact, it's the vt100 spec
16:34:12 <MrReach> ok, just a sec
16:34:12 <futhin> but that's weird.. i didn't know vt100 has color
16:37:35 <MrReach> did you check at Wotsit's Format?
16:37:50 <MrReach> http://www.wotsit.org/download.asp?f=ansi_esc
16:39:19 <futhin> ok, thanks for the link
16:42:33 <MrReach> does that contain what you need?
16:45:33 <futhin> sorta
16:45:45 <futhin> it has info on other stuff but is missing some other stuff too i think
16:48:45 <MrReach> how fustrating
16:49:48 <MrReach> you can also look in /etc/termcap
16:50:04 <MrReach> but the info there, while exactly correct, is difficult to read
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16:56:25 <futhin_> i love you clog
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16:57:21 <MrReach> wb
16:58:27 <futhin> yeah
16:58:29 <futhin> i caught "while the info in termcap is correct it is hard to read"
16:58:43 <MrReach> that was the last I sent
17:00:56 <futhin> ok
17:01:10 <futhin> do you prefer to talk on irc or icq? :)
17:01:12 <MrReach> what forth are you writing in now?
17:01:15 <MrReach> irc
17:04:02 <MrReach> ohohoh!!!
17:04:42 <MrReach> the NASNI terminal driver for DOS has terse and complete documentation for the escape codes
17:05:00 <MrReach> and even which terminal programs obey them and which don't
17:19:18 <futhin> ah cool
17:22:44 <futhin> i've tried to find good forth source on the net with no luck heh
17:23:20 <futhin> but that could've been because of my keywords
17:23:30 <futhin> but it really seems like there is VERY little source on the net
17:28:23 <MrReach> there is very little
17:28:38 <MrReach> have you found the Forth Wiki yet?
17:28:58 <MrReach> let me clip the Forth secotion of my bookmarks and e-mail it to you.
17:30:05 <futhin> i have the forth wiki link
17:30:11 <futhin> got it from you awhile ago i believe
17:30:15 <futhin> it's like wwww.sleepless something
17:30:35 <futhin> www.sleeplessnights.net/~forthwiki/ or something heh
17:32:34 <MrReach> you should receive an email any second now
17:34:00 <futhin> ok
17:34:08 <futhin> i've been trying to brainstorm
17:34:22 <MrReach> hard to do w/ ony one person
17:34:31 <futhin> yup
17:35:10 <futhin> i want a strong RPG mud, with good realism, good combat system, etc..  but at the same time, i kinda want "tourism"
17:35:15 <futhin> http://angg.twu.net/tourism.html
17:35:33 <futhin> got any ideas how to reconcile the two? :)
17:39:03 <MrReach> yes
17:39:22 <MrReach> basic mud is VERY simple to learn
17:39:38 <MrReach> but for those who get hooked ...
17:39:38 <futhin> well
17:39:40 <futhin> i mean coding
17:39:52 <futhin> but a strong rpg doesn't really let people access the internals
17:40:11 <MrReach> there are lots of commands tolearn
17:40:34 <futhin> i have a fairly strong dislike for MUSE/MUSH/MUCK/MOOs because too much of the internals are exposed and it doesn't feel very realistic to me
17:40:36 <MrReach> rpg=role playing game??
17:41:16 <MrReach> have you written some sample sessions yet?
17:41:43 <futhin> yeah.. rpg = role playing game..  it tends to mean realism 
18:06:51 <MrReach> and samples?
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18:14:43 <futhin> nope
18:14:52 <futhin> i'm not planning on doing any sample sessions
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