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09:37:44 <s[e]th> hello Fare
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15:12:55 <futhin> hello cqx
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16:31:28 <Speuler> g'day
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18:51:53 <Speuler> hi all
18:56:12 <edrx> hi Speuler
18:56:43 <Speuler> edrx, how's your os forth os progressing ?
18:58:37 <edrx> the OS part isn't progressing at all... and I haven't written more programs for my Lua-based Forth, but now I'm thinking on how to write a preprocessor that can convert something in a specific Forth-like to Lua code, and maybe someday I'll be able to glue that with the part that I already have
18:59:08 <edrx> how are your things? (I forgot what they are, my memory is pathetically weak)
18:59:08 <Speuler> considering AWK, or anything along that line ?
18:59:37 <edrx> in the sense that awk used to be used for preprocessors?
18:59:54 <Speuler> yes
18:59:57 <edrx> in that sense yes
19:00:06 <Speuler> and translators
19:00:11 <edrx> a "programming pearl" for lua
19:00:49 <edrx> but there's something in C that I want to do before that
19:00:53 <Speuler> i remember the os part would have been x86 based, initially at least
19:02:00 <Speuler> i'm between 2 projects right now.
19:02:10 <edrx> sure it was me? I hate x86 assembly (cause I don't have enough neurones to update my knowledge of the 8086 to 80386 and followers)
19:02:21 <edrx> which?
19:02:46 <Speuler> file system for smart cards (previous)
19:03:01 <Speuler> virtual machine port 8->16 bit (next project)
19:03:19 <edrx> details? :)
19:04:17 <Speuler> what'd'y'want to know about ?
19:05:09 <edrx> I'm more interested in the second one
19:05:16 <edrx> which virtual machine?
19:05:19 <Speuler> java
19:05:22 <Speuler> jvm
19:05:29 <Speuler> assembly job
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19:05:45 <edrx> hm, doesn't seem very pretty
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19:06:12 <Speuler> it is sort of parking project
19:06:40 <Speuler> keep me busy till the next project (forth again) starts, and not having me run away
19:07:15 <Speuler> well, summer is over anyway
19:07:28 <edrx> here winter is over
19:07:45 <Speuler> time  to stop the working part of the year :)
19:08:17 <edrx> but the weather is crazy, we had a few days with 40oC heat in the middle of the winter
19:09:09 <Speuler> i've been stopping summer to late autumn in previous years
19:09:25 <Speuler> working during winter
19:11:58 <Speuler> the next project gets me half through the time till next spring/summer
19:12:43 <Speuler> then i'll take half a year of a break again
19:41:29 * cqx wants to get one of those forth chips that chuck moore made recently, the 25x.
19:42:30 <Speuler> nothing to do with shboom ?
19:45:38 <edrx> have to go, bye
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19:45:42 <cqx> nope.  info is at www.colorforth.com
19:45:57 <Speuler> g'd nite edrx
19:55:22 <Speuler> cqx: you'll be one of the investors ?
19:58:36 <cqx> i wish. :)
20:00:59 <Speuler> i got a Sh-Boom based board here. 
20:01:10 <Speuler> did some Novix before
20:01:28 <Speuler> tried to get an F21 once
20:01:55 <cqx> cool.
20:02:14 <Speuler> next cpu will probably be a SA110
20:02:47 <Speuler> coming with the ipaq
20:02:47 <cqx> i'm wondering if the x25/x18 could be used to emulate x86 code.  i imagine linux running on top of one of those in a simulation. 
20:03:00 <cqx> the SA110 is in the ipaq?
20:03:19 <Speuler> should be, it says "strongarm based design"
20:03:40 <Speuler> and runs linux for the arm
20:03:46 <cqx> interesting.  i'd like to get one of those and put linux on there.
20:03:58 <Speuler> x has been ported too
20:04:10 <Speuler> cpu is clocked 206 MHz
20:04:18 <Speuler> comes with 32 or 64 mb ram
20:04:43 <Speuler> sufficient
20:05:22 <Speuler> should make an interesting forth machine too
20:05:55 <cqx> has anyone written a forth kernel for the ARM architecture?
20:06:25 <Speuler> you could start by compiling a forth written in c
20:07:01 <Speuler> but it should be more fun to asm-code or metacompile one
20:07:35 <cqx> right. 
20:08:01 <Speuler> actually, that's one reason i want an ipaq
20:08:14 <cqx> i've never written anything much in forth.  i will someday though.  i'd really like to write a kernel from scratch. that would be a fun challenge.
20:08:21 <Speuler> good way to get to know the cpu somewhat better too
20:08:50 <Speuler> i'm just starting a scratch kernel, for fun, again.
20:09:30 <Speuler> that's a version, to run under a cpu emulator, which grows along with the forth
20:09:44 <Speuler> (was picking the 6809)
20:11:08 <Speuler> the inner-interpreter opcodes it emulates already  ( LDX [Y++}, JMP [,X]  for next )
20:11:27 <cqx> for the 6809?
20:11:35 <Speuler> yep
20:12:09 <Speuler> that's because i wanted to get an idea how efficiently an emulation could be done on the Sh-Boom
20:13:28 <cqx> cool.
20:13:31 <Speuler> haven't got the ShBoom for that long.
20:14:05 <cqx> i have to go do some work.  ttyl.
20:14:31 <Speuler> right. time for some sleep for me.
20:14:50 <Speuler> enjoy work.
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