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15:15:54 <adu> hi
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15:57:54 <TheBlueWizard> hiya all
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16:03:02 <cleverdra> coi rodo
16:03:14 <cleverdra> .ui coi rodo
16:03:16 <TheBlueWizard> hiya cl
16:03:40 <cleverdra> Hi, blue =)  Have you seen the topic yet?
16:03:51 <TheBlueWizard> I mean hiya cleverdra (damn the tab)
16:04:39 <TheBlueWizard> nope...I haven't checked the topic
16:07:36 <cleverdra> Well, check the topic!
16:07:44 <cleverdra> Sheeesh.  What do you think I put it up there, for?
16:09:35 <TheBlueWizard> well....just haven't a chance...besides, I'm downloading a big file right now
16:10:08 <cleverdra> That's no excuse.  That page is very cool.  But... I can't force you to read it.  tsk.
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16:11:36 <TheBlueWizard> heh...I have only 28.8 modem here...so gimme some break, ok?  plus I got on here about 15 min ago
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16:22:15 <cleverdra> Hello, Fare.
16:22:18 <cleverdra> Check out the topic.
16:23:38 <Fare> hello
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16:25:28 <cleverdra> coi edrx
16:25:41 <edrx> hi clev
16:25:48 <edrx> but what's "coi"? :)
16:26:11 <cleverdra> 'hi', kinda.  In Lojban =)
16:26:45 <TheBlueWizard> ah!
16:26:58 <edrx> ahh, I thought it was pseudo-portuguese - "oi" is a standard brazilian greeting...
16:27:04 <cleverdra> blue - eh?
16:27:31 <TheBlueWizard> that coi == hi, kinda...I know about Lojban
16:27:34 <cleverdra> I read some of Lojban some months ago, lost my documentation, got distracted, but now I want to actually learn it, and I'm using some words for fun.
16:27:42 <cleverdra> blue - cool.  What do you know?
16:28:38 <TheBlueWizard> not that I know Lojban itself....you can download some docs from the Lojban homesite
16:29:04 <cleverdra> Yes, I had them.
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16:35:48 * TheBlueWizard finished downloading a 4 meg file :)
16:35:57 <TheBlueWizard> *burp*
16:36:50 <cleverdra> what file?
16:36:59 * TheBlueWizard takes a quick peek at the topic...and discover it is one massive page!  yikes!
16:37:28 <cleverdra> Yes it is.  It is a knowledgeable hacker's referenced braindump.  A proto-book.
16:38:07 <TheBlueWizard> hmm...I see....I am currently viewing it with Lynx
16:38:37 <TheBlueWizard> "Hacker's Encyclopedia" :)
16:39:12 <cleverdra> I'm as far as i-forget-where-but-I've-got-the-topic-remembered, though I jumped ahead to check out the Thinking Methods section (search for mystics in the beginning and you'll see the topic name.  Chapter name.)
16:39:52 <cleverdra> Yeah =)  There's some great depth there.  I'm going to put on some Pearl Jam later today and read it through the night.
16:39:57 <cleverdra> well, more of it.
16:40:42 <TheBlueWizard> heh...I will look at it more using a different browser later
16:40:51 <TheBlueWizard> and perhaps save it
16:41:32 <cleverdra> lynx is fine enough for reading it.  Saving it would be a Good Idea.
16:42:00 <TheBlueWizard> um...what is "exa" that is found everywhere?
16:42:09 <cleverdra> example.
16:42:34 <cleverdra> see also 'anec', for anecdote.
16:42:47 <TheBlueWizard> ah....should've made some explanation of these "words"
16:43:07 <TheBlueWizard> um do you type up all that from your brain?
16:43:11 <cleverdra> Well, this his draft.  They're probably obvious too him.
16:43:34 <cleverdra> Type what up?  Him?  I gather that he did, though he talks about working for a long time.  Primarily between 2 and 3 in the morning.
16:43:40 <TheBlueWizard> hehe
16:44:14 <cleverdra> I don't know how long this has been going on.  It's glorious, however it came to be.
16:44:31 <cleverdra> One big freakin' knowledgepile =)
16:45:51 <TheBlueWizard> yeah hehe...though I haven't read it closely enough to decide its value....
16:46:34 <cleverdra> You'll see.  I started at the beginning, with aforementioned forward jump.
16:47:20 * TheBlueWizard is searching for Lynx command to save the page being viewed....
16:47:30 <cleverdra> 'p'
16:47:47 <TheBlueWizard> what forward jump?
16:48:03 <TheBlueWizard> thanks re: p command
16:48:33 <TheBlueWizard> saved :)
16:49:11 <cleverdra> The forward jump to the section that talks about thinking types.  child/arist/artisan/engineer/mystic/scientist and such.
16:49:58 <TheBlueWizard> hmm....
16:50:47 <TheBlueWizard> it'd be nice to see it broken up into separate pages...or DHTMLized if nicely presented (I know DHTML ain't portable though)
16:50:53 <cleverdra> actually they're all related, but it's cool.
16:51:03 <TheBlueWizard> I see
16:51:07 <cleverdra> blue, it'd probably be simple to do that automatically.  I don't think you're going to get the author to do it.
16:52:06 <TheBlueWizard> seeing what the author has been doing for so long...yeah, you're right that the author is too set in his stubborn way :)
16:52:34 <cleverdra> For one thing, he's been using this for a while with his own editing.  For another thing, he has expressed his inability to focus much attention on it anymore.  For YA thing, this is eventually supposed to be a book.  I dunno how interested he is in hardening his format with a markup language, or bothering with something you (you Forth programmer you) ought to be able to do =)
16:52:50 * cleverdra nods.
16:52:54 <TheBlueWizard> if that doc has enough regular structure...could cook up Python script to slice-n-dice it into easy to digest collection of HTML pages
16:54:33 <TheBlueWizard> it is easy to read the file into a variable in Python: t=open('somefile','r').read()
16:54:35 <cleverdra> It appears to be very regular.  The beginning is a nice index.  Everything is indented with topic lines and detail.  Harvard outline format.
16:54:41 <TheBlueWizard> t contains the entire content :)
16:55:06 <cleverdra> Yes, I know about Python.  It'd be easy to do this with any language, regular as the subject is.
16:55:07 * TheBlueWizard isn't familiar with Harvard outline, but nods anyway
16:56:08 <cleverdra> Basically, you parse by line and count beginning spaces =)
16:56:23 <cleverdra> No beginning spaces?  OK, this is a chapter.
16:56:27 <cleverdra> etc.
16:56:44 <cleverdra> A chapter header, I mean.
16:57:07 <TheBlueWizard> yeah...as long as that language has good string manipulation facility...without that it would be tough to do....I rate C a B on its string manipulation ability....older versions of BASIC C+ cuz while they had fairly good garbage collection, but hits 255 character limits, etc...and so on for other languages
16:57:38 <cleverdra> Huh?  Nah, read what I just said =)
16:58:35 <TheBlueWizard> ok...
16:58:46 <TheBlueWizard> well I need to go...thx for the link
16:59:09 <cleverdra> be'e ... I think that's the word.
16:59:21 <TheBlueWizard> heh...bye all!
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17:08:29 <cleverdra> stommel.tamu.edu/~baum/programming.html
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17:32:58 <notjunkd> thanks
17:34:55 <cleverdra> g'byer
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20:37:55 <futhin> hello all
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20:54:30 <Trey> Hello, futhin.
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21:53:08 <_colorg> oy
21:54:40 <Trey> vey
21:55:41 <_colorg> so it is.
22:00:44 <notjunkd> channelname is already used
22:00:46 <notjunkd> ack
22:00:46 <notjunkd> w/w
22:10:07 <_colorg> I hope I didn't miss MDFIG for July. Jaeger is supposed to demo his FPGA
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23:29:42 <futhin> notjunkd: you know the Forth programming lang?
23:29:47 <notjunkd> nop
23:29:56 <futhin> what does this channelname mean to you?
23:30:05 <notjunkd> forth programming language
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