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07:38:43 <speuler> g'day
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10:26:38 <Johannes> hi all
10:27:14 <Johannes> hi BorgHOME_ lar1 Trey Fare nate37
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11:00:37 <Johannes> hi nate37
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11:04:14 <cleverdra> g'morning
11:06:10 <Trey> Howdy, cleverdra.
11:06:15 <Trey> And Johannes.
11:07:22 <Johannes> hi trey
11:13:41 <cleverdra> Hey Trey, Johannes.
11:13:57 <cleverdra> Oh, I found this incredible computer page yesterday... /me looks.
11:14:01 <Johannes> hi cleverdra
11:14:17 <Johannes> what page
11:15:05 <Trey> Yeah, share the wealth.
11:18:17 <cleverdra> One sec.
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11:23:35 --- topic: set to 'http://neil.franklin.ch/Underst_Computers' by cleverdra
11:25:10 <cleverdra> Lynx says that with approx 25x80 chars a page that that is over 500 pages.  It's basically this guy's brain dump.  A proto-book.
11:26:38 <cleverdra> no, over 600 pages.
11:34:59 <Johannes> i downloaded it
11:35:27 <cleverdra> Cool.
11:35:54 <cleverdra> IMO, it's pages like that that make the internet great.
11:36:54 <Johannes> cleverdra r u a forth programmer
11:38:09 <cleverdra> Yes I am, Johannes.
11:39:20 <Johannes> i was one 18 yrs ago
11:39:39 <Johannes> was my first serious programming lang
11:40:17 <cleverdra> Cool.
11:40:37 <cleverdra> My first, I guess, was HP49 RPL, and then Perl.
11:40:47 <cleverdra> One moment, I've got to clean up.
11:41:10 <Johannes> how difficult is perl , my old boss promised me a book
11:41:17 <Johannes> but so far i do not have it
11:42:55 <cleverdra> Perl is somewhat difficult, because you have a huge language with mega syntatical quirks.  You have context that you /must/ understand... it's strange, but powerful.  You have to really get close with the grammar to understand what it's saying.
11:46:05 <cleverdra> irc.infobot.org has two channels, #Perl and #Perl-help, that are good places to talk about Perl.  You should try #Perl-help first.  Also EFnet #Perl, and of course OPN #Perl.
11:46:55 <Johannes> tks for the help
11:47:08 <cleverdra> infobot and EFnet #Perl's are sticky, and don't like malformed question are malformed statements (unless the speaker is obviously not a native English speaker).  #Perl-help and OPN #Perl are cool.
11:47:12 <cleverdra> you're welcome.
11:47:25 <cleverdra> s/are mal/or mal/
11:48:00 <Johannes> some perl?
11:49:12 <cleverdra> Perl or sed, actually.  Perl took that from sed and expanded upon it.
11:49:19 <cleverdra> no, that could also be ed =)
11:51:21 <cleverdra> I think that soon, maybe in a few weeks, I'll be able to buy a MuP21 kit.
11:55:32 <Johannes> u r the guy with the funny lisp machine huh?
11:55:44 <Johannes> funny as in unknown
11:57:04 <cleverdra> I don't know what you're talking about, Johannes.
11:57:52 <cleverdra> the MuP21 is an old Forth machine.  The F21 is way better, but they haven't been produced enough yet.  A MuP21 kit I can get for $100.
11:59:12 <Johannes> thats very nice
11:59:26 <Johannes> i would love to have a Forth machine
12:00:36 <Johannes> good night i am gonna watch x-files a movie then bed
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12:06:15 <cleverdra> Bye for now.  I've got to go to town with family.
12:06:27 <cleverdra> Check that URL in the topic!
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19:21:08 <BorgHOME_> whoa....
19:21:15 <BorgHOME_> some content on that topic...
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20:59:43 <BorgHOME_> life?
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21:02:43 <cleverdra> I *HOPE* you've all been reading that page in the URL.  It's awesome.  Check out the Thinking Methods(? - may have name wrong) section.
21:03:01 <cleverdra> search for 'mystics' from beginning and you'll see the section name.
21:03:13 <cleverdra> Oh, and:  Hi #Forth! =)
21:03:31 <cleverdra> clog?  Cool.
21:03:46 * Trey has returned
21:04:01 <cleverdra> Hey Trey =)
21:04:01 <Trey> I looked at the page.  Eeek.
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21:04:06 <cleverdra> Eeek?
21:05:26 <cleverdra> Why'd you Eeek, Trey?
21:06:25 <Trey> The organization offends my personal sensibilities.
21:06:50 <Trey> That doesn't mean I wouldn't find it usefull.
21:06:58 <BorgHOME_> it's amazing in depth...
21:07:18 <BorgHOME_> the creator of that page is an old school second gen hacker of the most extreme kind.
21:07:32 <cleverdra> I think he's too busy right now to format it bookstyle.  The organisation is interesting -- much communication.  The heirarchial format makes points easier to understand (for me) sometimes.  However, it seems to be affecting my normal conversation =)  Right now.  I just came from reading it.
21:08:37 <BorgHOME_> There are some rare pieces of hacker folklore on his pages....I'm tempted to ask him for permission to mirror it.
21:08:54 <cleverdra> borg - cool.  I haven't checked his pages yet, just that link I found.
21:08:59 <cleverdra> borg - do you know him?
21:10:49 <BorgHOME_> no...I wish I did, :)
21:11:02 <BorgHOME_> I went through his site....it's enormous.
21:11:17 * cleverdra looks now.
21:15:04 <cleverdra> www.htl-steyr.ac.at/~_morg/pcinfo/hardware/interrupts/hard0001.htm <-- cool
21:15:23 <cleverdra> PC Hardware and Data Specifications
21:15:37 <cleverdra> Cool for me, I'm looking to have Enth control a hard disk.
21:16:13 <BorgHOME_> cleverdra: I looked at what's involved in building a HW interface to an IDE drive.
21:16:23 <BorgHOME_> have a look at LBA mode.
21:16:26 <BorgHOME_> very simple.
21:16:47 <cleverdra> Thank you, Borg.  I'll focus on that then.
21:20:06 <BorgHOME_> it's useful because it uses a 28(?) bit number to address a single sector (512 bytes).
21:20:16 <BorgHOME_> fits well with forth blocks.
21:20:32 <cleverdra> Ooh.  Yes, I can see that.
21:22:43 <cleverdra> ooh again.
21:22:58 <cleverdra> mudlist.eorbit.net/~adam/pickey/ports.html
21:23:10 <cleverdra> 300 25x80 char pages.
21:23:30 <cleverdra> List of ports and such.  I haven't examined it closely yet.  I won't be on long, so I'm just grabbing for later perusal.
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