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I didn't get on this one. 06:30:49 I understand why he requires AGP now. 06:30:59 Oh, why? 06:31:37 He locates the framebuffer by looking for it in PCI bus 1 (AGP) rather than probing all of the PCI devices for it. 06:32:05 Lame. 06:32:10 Why is that lame? 06:34:10 He could fairly easily probe for the "active" graphics device. 06:34:43 And this would only add a miniscule amount to startup time? 06:35:08 Milliseconds, at most. 06:35:34 And this would allow Color Forth to run on a great deal more machines? 06:36:24 All those machines with cards capable of the desired video mode and in a PCI slot. 06:37:04 Why don't you email him? 06:39:06 I might. I find the system very difficult to use. 06:39:33 His 27 key keyboard drives me nuts. I touch type pretty well. 06:39:47 Please email him. Is it just the keyboard that's difficult? 06:41:04 The Alt key toggles the keyboard layout, but he doesn't use it as a modifier. You press and release it like any other key. 06:43:05 And they layout changes in various modes. The editor uses a different layout than the word and number entry layouts. 06:43:53 He's developed a very modal system. 06:46:29 I'd really like to _see_ him using it, perhaps in a demonstration of his OKAD system or something. 06:46:47 * cleverdra nods. 06:47:16 The alt key thing is interesting. The layout thing is interesting. 06:47:38 What about the rest of the system? 06:48:09 I could barely make it go. I don't have a good feel for the editor yet. 06:49:31 I seems to function, but I have to relearn how to type and get a grasp on all of the modes. 06:49:40 s/I seems/It seems/ 06:49:49 * cleverdra nods. 06:49:58 I gather that it's word-based, too, which is probably a shock. 06:50:09 * Trey boots colorForth 06:50:47 The editor does work on whole words, but that didn't phase me. 06:50:52 (man it boots fast :-) 06:51:41 (P-II 400 with ATI Rage LT and a digital LCD panel) 06:52:20 It's cool that it boots fast =) 06:52:42 My main machine is a p133. I forget the video card. 06:54:57 * Trey has too many machines 06:55:38 That must be an interesting condition =) 06:55:40 I _think_ I have a better feel for the keyboard today. 06:55:51 Were you already used to dvorak? 06:56:05 qwerty 06:56:31 I guess this looks a bit like a dvorak layout. 06:57:16 In the bottom right corner he has a display for the current layout. 06:57:27 When it boots, it looks like this: 06:57:34 Oh. http://www.karelia.com/abcd/abcd.html is a good dvorak learning page, if you can spare some time going through its exercises. I learned Dvorak rapidly after going through it one time. Theoretically Chuck's layout is based on dvorak. 06:57:51 pyfi gcrl 06:57:59 aoeu htns 06:58:08 qkxd bmwv 06:58:17 9* 06:58:38 Wierd, eh? 06:59:12 Yeah. That is quite dvorakish. 06:59:28 The 9 represents the space bar. The u and h letters represents the index keys on the home row. 07:00:22 He does not use the keys "inside" of the ones listed, except where the N key sits on a qwerty layout. 07:00:28 Yeah. where's 'j' and 'z'? 07:00:38 You have to toggle the layout for them. 07:00:48 As well as the digits and punctuation. 07:01:29 I see. I guess he /really/ doesn't like moving his hands a bunch. 07:01:32 If I hit the space bar, it toggles me to a number mode. 07:01:41 The number layout looks like this: 07:01:50 123 07:01:54 4560 07:02:00 789 07:02:03 -af 07:02:38 How do you get to the part with 'j' and 'z'? 07:03:41 "Alt" 07:04:04 Although, his scanning of the alt-keys on my keyboard doesn't work consistently. 07:05:38 How doesn't it? 07:08:06 The one on the right doesn't seem to toggle as effectively as the one on the left. 07:08:19 I haven't noticed any problem under BeOS with this key. 07:08:53 That's wierd. Does he have an ekey or something you can use to see what the two keys are emitting? 07:09:39 in Enth this would be EKEY EKEY EKEY, to get the up-enter (from pressing enter after typing this in), the down-alt, and the up-alt 07:09:47 --- join: grurp (grurp@pc19965.batc.tec.ut.us) joined #forth 07:09:51 --- mode: cleverdra set mode: +o grurp 07:16:14 I don't know, cleverdra. 07:16:28 I've only just figured out how to page around in the editor. 07:17:14 * cleverdra nods. 08:23:57 In colorForth: 56 load rose 08:24:28 Why do you mention that, Trey? ('rose' ? 08:24:30 ) 08:25:02 It presents a kind of color editor. 08:25:07 Most interesting. 08:25:21 With 'r' being red, and such? 08:25:51 As usual, he creates a special keyboard mapping for this program. 08:26:08 He has keys to inc/dec the red, green, and blue components 08:26:08 * cleverdra nods. 08:26:25 Plus keys to "rotate" the colors. 08:26:25 Oh, a color editor, as opposed to a Color Forth editor. 08:26:33 Yes. 08:26:35 That's cool, Trey. 08:26:51 * cleverdra wishes he could see that. 08:26:55 He uses 7 hexagons in a "rose" pattern to display the colors. 08:27:00 I wish I could make a screen shot. 08:27:27 --- join: Fare (fare@aboukir-101-1-5-fare.adsl.nerim.net) joined #forth 08:27:29 I think you can. Chuck talked about taking screenshots, anyway. 08:27:31 --- mode: cleverdra set mode: +o Fare 08:27:57 It sounds so cool =( 08:28:42 The whole system has some appealing qualities, and some (initially, at least) maddening ones. 08:29:14 * cleverdra nods. 08:30:07 The maddening part probably from the back that he's optimized it for himself in odd ways over several years. I'm glad he's just distributing that. If other people don't like it, they can change it. 08:30:47 What does the layout display look like, Trey? 08:31:19 What happened to dired? 08:31:43 http://www.nondot.org/sabre/os/articles/ for good OS-level programming topics. 08:45:47 Sorry for the delay, cleverdra. I had my attention on the CF machine. 08:46:09 What layout did you want to know about? 08:47:31 Not a particular layout, but the layout display. 08:47:41 You said that it was displayed on the bottom-right of the screen. 08:50:47 Correct. 08:51:10 What does it look like? 08:51:17 The stack shows bottom most entry at the left side of the last line of the display. 08:51:53 Other entries appear to the right of the bottom entry. 08:52:28 The "layout" display consumes a rectangular grid of characters at the bottom right of the display. 08:52:52 Four lines tall by nine characters wide. 08:53:12 Trey, the A register actually has a register. There are also three free registers, 'W' for Workspace, and X Y which are both scratch. 08:53:21 I see. Cool. 08:54:11 Just to the left of this display, the current "word" forms as you type, shifting to the left one character at a time like a calculator. 08:54:40 Yeah, he said that he'd removed the cursor in favor of that. 08:57:03 Trey, do you have an Enth up right now? 08:57:23 No, cleverdra. I use the same machine for colorForth and Enth. 08:57:32 Darn, OK. I'll test it later. 08:57:47 Although Sean fixed it so Bochs loads Enth. 08:57:51 I'll have to test that. 08:59:30 --- topic: set to 'hex : >kled 64 pc! ; : cap-on 4 >kled ; : kled-off 0 >kled ;' by cleverdra 09:00:03 heh 09:00:19 actually, that's wrong 09:00:52 --- topic: set to 'hex : >kled 0ED 64 pc! 64 pc! ; : cap-on 4 >kled ; : kled-off 0 >kled ;' by cleverdra 09:01:29 That's just some simple code to enable the capslock LED on your keyboard and turn all of them off. 09:02:17 Playing with ports like this is great fun. I feel as if I am for the first time actually speaking to my machine. There are controls and dials and moving parts I'm seeing for the first time. 09:02:34 s/for the first time/now/ 09:02:57 Instant Gratification (tm) 09:03:02 Right =) 09:04:05 Well, some of this I just couldn't do otherwise. Controlling your keyboard LEDs. The only other interface to that is a largish debian program. Yesterday with controlling my PC speaker. Nobody else does that, that I know of. 09:04:30 It's more Forth that's giving me Instant Gratification =) 09:04:33 You can do all of this in C under linux fairly easily. 09:04:44 But not as easily as Enth. 09:06:27 You don't get the experience of connecting your speaker to a timer in C. It's not the same. You don't say "OK, you, make sounds based on that timer there!" and have it happen. Not as simply as this. 09:06:58 * cleverdra wonders what his RAM-refreshing timer would sound like =) 09:07:03 Some of the simplicity comes from the fact that you don't have to share the timer with anyone else. 09:07:23 Oh. How does that complicate things? 09:07:35 For one thing, you can't program the timer directly. 09:07:52 Lots of programs may want timer events. 09:08:00 Right. 09:10:06 * cleverdra guesses that libc timing functions are based on that. 10:32:27 --- join: speuler (icafe@dattel.icafe.spacenet.de) joined #forth 10:32:42 g'day 10:32:48 --- mode: cleverdra set mode: +o speuler 10:32:52 hello speuler 10:33:01 tnx clever 10:33:10 hello too 10:39:12 how is the forth treating you ? 10:40:12 "I am Forth's bitch." 10:40:30 Pretty well! The code in the topic right now is some simple stuff to turn the caps lock keyboard LED on and also to turn all keyboard LEDs off. 10:40:42 before that, it held an interface to the PC speaker. 10:40:52 hex : cntwarn B6 43 pc! ; : bsplit 100 /mod swap ; : cntval! bsplit 42 pc! 42 pc! ; : sp-on 61 pc@ 3 or 61 pc! ; : sp-off 61 pc@ FC and 61 pc! ; decimal : cnt<>freq 1193180 swap / ; : freq! cnt<>freq cntwarn cntval! ; : beep ( wait freq -- ) freq! sp-on ms sp-off ; 10:47:37 which forth system is that? 10:49:51 Enth, it's a native Forth, AKA a system Forth, or whatever the euphemism is for 'native Forth'. 10:50:34 Really I think the only thing you need is pc!/pc@ though. Direct access to machine ports, or registers. 10:55:41 : csplit 10000 /mod swap ; : decode-music-string ( addr n -- ) bound ?do i csplit beep loop ; 11:01:51 You need a "hex" in front of that csplit definition, cleverdra. 11:02:00 Yes, thank you Trey. 11:02:22 Got any music files yet? 11:02:49 No, I still need to go find some music in note form and translate it. 11:03:12 Perhaps a MIDI -> beep translator? 11:03:30 How do you do rests? 11:03:51 Maybe. I'd have to investigate the MIDI format. 11:05:00 : csplit 10000 /mod swap ; : decode-music-string ( addr n -- ) bound ?do i csplit dup if beep else drop ms then loop ; 11:05:25 or : ?beep dup if beep ;then drop ms ; 11:06:03 Does "1000 0 beep" generate a tone? 11:06:28 I dunno, I haven't tried it and Enth is down right now. Have you got Enth working in Bochs, yet? 11:06:51 erm, I think that'll be an error actually. 11:06:55 Not yet. I just booted Enth. Hold on. 11:06:58 Good think I'm using it for MS instead! 11:07:16 codeed 11:07:17 "1000 0 BEEP" would eventually become a divide-by-zero 11:07:18 ooops 11:08:41 * Trey waits for an entire floppy image to load. 11:09:13 decimal 1440 dup blocks session! session@ floppy@ swap drop 11:09:37 swap drop == nip ? 11:09:42 nod 11:09:46 alternatively, 11:09:54 1440 session session@ nip floppy@ 11:10:04 Hmmm. 11:10:22 1440 SESSION appears to be the same as 1440 DUP BLOCKS SESSION! 11:10:31 Probably. 11:10:55 Alternatively, you could only build a session for the number of blocks you'll actually load and then use cread/cwrite to get just those from the floppy. 11:11:33 1 session session@ 400 ( addr block ) bfloppy@ drp[ 11:11:35 err, drop 11:11:39 assuming that you define bfloppy@ first 11:14:12 wierd, all these "interrupt lists". Is that actually part of the machine, or is that a creation of operating systems? 11:17:36 --- join: MrBean (NoBody@d77243.upc-d.chello.nl) joined #forth 11:17:42 k 11:17:52 The "OS" handles the interrupts, traditionally. 11:17:56 --- mode: cleverdra set mode: +o MrBean 11:18:10 OK. No need for me to bother with those then. 11:18:15 MrReach? 11:18:23 ? 11:18:43 Just checking? 11:18:46 not me 11:18:48 Ah. 11:19:24 i'm eating pizza, so i'm not very speechfull right now, sorryy for that 11:19:58 Can you get a decent pizza in the Netherlands? 11:20:02 later more, when pizza finished..] 11:20:15 yup, very decent.. 11:20:25 * speuler is devouring a pizza too at this moment 11:20:34 lol 11:20:41 it pays the internet 11:20:58 actually a "pizza nternet" 11:21:04 pizza-sponsorred net... 11:21:10 about 150 miles to intaly from here 11:21:15 italy 11:21:45 : pizza dough flatten topping add ppizza oven insert 11:22:10 begin anothermninute pizza done until 11:22:26 ldr R1, pizza 11:22:28 pizza dupü retrieve devour 11:22:55 10 0 do finger lick loop 11:23:20 ; 11:23:28 () just so that we're not off-topic 11:24:02 We don't worry too much about off-topic comments :-) 11:24:10 MrBean: was panic because helpdesk was interfering ... 11:24:23 MrBean: had to alt-f7 11:24:23 lol 11:24:31 just in time 11:24:47 Alt-F7? 11:24:53 better this way then 11:24:55 Trey: X 11:25:09 Ah. I use BeOS. 11:25:22 ppl, bean knows forth. if he says he doesn't he's kidding 11:25:40 duh 11:25:52 MrBean: tell me i'm wrong ... 11:25:53 You mean "dup". 11:26:10 MrBean: i can prove the opposite:) 11:26:45 pizza dup already implemented ? 11:26:58 cleverdra: 250 0 beep <--- bad pookie 11:27:07 pizza dup consume dup consume dup consume dup consume 11:27:09 consume 11:27:23 Trey: I'm in an internet cafe, with a cracked account, using ssh. so if personal shows i have to restore the screen to something more conventional :) 11:27:43 that's what just happend. therfore X 11:27:47 0 calorie-intake ! 11:27:48 heh 11:28:02 Trey - yes, remember I told you that it'd be a divide-by-zero error? 11:28:12 Trey - hence its usefulness to denote waits. 11:28:33 It looks like Enth doesn't catch x 0 / errors. 11:29:29 : / dup if / ;then 2drop red >fg ." YOU TRIED TO DIVIDE BY ZERO! YOU EEEDIOT!" abort ; 11:30:17 Trey: forth doesn't because it allows the programmer to /0 . ater all, he knows better what he intends to do :) 11:30:46 lol 11:30:52 with some phantasy, you might invent a reason to divide by 0 11:30:57 ..or not ? 11:31:10 for example, your want to test cpu exception handling :) 11:31:11 : / dup if / ;then nip ; 11:31:26 for a / that returns 0 on divide-by-zero 11:31:43 Some people think that integers should act this way. I don't know why. 11:31:51 oooh.. a real exp. heandler.. 11:31:51 bad luck if the compiler doesn't allow you to foot in yourself shoot 11:33:14 some like to foot in themselves shoot when they want, and not when the compiler allows it. 11:33:22 you might also try to access mem that isn't there.. 11:33:28 compiler ditch 11:33:31 that's worth a try too 11:34:12 maybe you'll find some lost flash part.. 11:34:49 38 times my gulp profile was checked ... 11:34:59 ? 11:35:29 projecs for freelancers 11:35:32 ects 11:35:47 : deathtoken -1 0 ?do i @ drop 4 +loop l 11:35:54 s/l/;/ 11:36:00 err, l$ 11:36:24 try ... drop loop ... on 68000 for inproved performance :) 11:37:04 * cleverdra shrugs. 11:37:08 0 base ! 11:37:23 speuler - that probably doesn't do what you want. 11:37:25 oops 11:37:28 1 dup base ! . 11:37:56 : . base if . ;then .roman ; 11:38:08 : . base 1- if . ;then .roman ; 11:38:27 I'll have to write a roman numeral generator =) 11:38:28 -1 = if ... 11:38:58 : . base 1+ if . ;then .roman ; is better, I think. 11:39:02 what about # in that case ? 11:39:06 for -1 being .roman 11:39:16 # will probably not work, speuler. 11:39:32 I'd have a specialized # 11:40:00 it's a while ago though :) 11:43:51 cleverdra using benford.openprojects.net [127.0.0.1] 11:43:51 , California US ??? 11:43:56 Bezerkeley ???? 11:44:06 * speuler + mrbean worked on same project, using forth :) 11:44:38 --- join: cleverser (jfondren@1Cust208.tnt3.florence.sc.da.uu.net) joined #forth 11:45:12 * speuler found mrbean 2b a very good programmer 11:45:21 --- quit: cleverdra (Killed (NickServ (This nick is reserved by another user))) 11:45:28 MrBean: don't blush 11:45:29 --- nick: cleverser -> cleverdra 11:45:41 --- mode: ChanServ set mode: +o cleverdra 11:45:54 cleverdra using benford.openprojects.net [127.0.0.1] Bezerkeley, California US 11:46:10 Bezerkeley ?? 11:46:19 * cleverdra shrugs. 11:46:46 duh 11:46:58 it's a while ago, though 11:47:37 You pun on the word: berserk 11:47:39 pic programming and ARM and Xilinx hardware, right now 11:47:57 s/You/A/ 11:48:05 ? 11:48:15 Bezerkeley 11:48:21 Berserk 11:48:38 . /whois cleverdra 11:49:06 /msg #Forth /whois cleverdra 11:49:35 Bezerkeley it says.. 11:49:39 cant help it 11:49:51 right: Berkeley, CA. 11:50:16 MrBean: do you want to help two ladies ? 11:50:29 At once? 11:50:30 not right it seems, Bezerkeley 11:50:38 lol 11:50:48 not really i guess... 11:51:00 the two in your cafe ? 11:51:29 they got a problem with shockwave. you could get the photos, put them on your site, allow them to view 'm ? 11:51:56 shockwave <> foto's 11:52:03 movie prob.. 11:52:10 dang 11:52:28 so far to being helpful :) 11:52:45 can't thaey put it on their own hd ? 11:53:15 they have netscape u/ linux, internet cafe 11:53:24 forget. gone now 11:53:32 maybe they have old shockwave 4 instead of 5 11:53:37 so did helpdesk 11:53:38 cleverdra: do you have a better idiom for: superblock codeed his @ superblock ! 11:53:59 both kind'f cute 11:54:14 such a shame .. :) 11:54:50 i'm not under surveillance anymore :) 11:55:26 Trey - I haven't even dealt with superblocks yet, besides through BLOCKS and SESSION and SESSION@ and SESSION! and FLOPPY@ and FLOPPY! 11:55:27 did they see a root shell or something ? 11:55:32 figure my time will be up soon 11:55:42 Trey - well, not really with the floppy words. What does that code do? 11:55:47 helpdesk ? nope. 11:55:56 irc client runs under x 11:56:02 ok 11:56:05 ladies, don't care 11:56:14 no prob 11:56:32 they would tell console/shell from a baseball bat 11:56:38 couldn't tell 11:56:45 yup i get it 11:56:49 cleverdra: It maps the superblock from codeed into CONSOLE, so I can use LOAD there. 11:57:03 well pizza is falling down.. 11:57:14 mine has fallen down into my stomach 11:57:18 i'll better get some coffee... 11:57:28 just the olive pits remaining 11:57:28 Trey - ah. 11:57:31 bongo! 11:57:34 hi dood 11:57:37 hi i440 11:57:50 how's life been treating you recently ? 11:57:52 Trey - oh, does POSTFIX in SASM crash Enth? 11:58:00 ft not too bad :) 11:58:13 your still interested ? 11:58:15 cleverdra: I haven't done any assmebly yet. 11:58:25 Trey - I am totally and absolutely /shocked/ by the fact that it consistently crashes Enth. I've no clue why. All POSTFIX does is "FALSE TO SASMFIX". 11:58:29 Trey - oh, OK. 11:59:00 He obviously hasn't tested it very thoroughly. 11:59:02 I440r: can i pass your email address to my agency ? 11:59:06 ft yes 11:59:11 erm yes 11:59:22 I440r: german not much of a problem.lot's of english docs done now 11:59:32 I440r: but heavy oops inclination 11:59:34 Trey - I don't think this is a matter of testing. This is a matter of demons crawling around and pulling wires. It's /wierd/. 12:00:24 --- quit: Fare (Ping timeout for Fare[aboukir-101-1-5-fare.adsl.nerim.net]) 12:00:32 :) 12:00:42 you gonna hate it 12:00:49 prolly 12:01:01 check the oop link in my page 12:01:06 someone here showed me that page 12:01:08 earn the nick "swearing mark" 12:01:38 :) 12:01:44 do they use c++ or c 12:01:49 none. 12:01:55 pure forth 12:02:01 ft !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 12:02:15 oops written in forth too 12:02:17 dangit im playing mud and to talk there you say ft hehe 12:02:43 --- join: Fare (fare@aboukir-101-1-5-fare.adsl.nerim.net) joined #forth 12:02:48 --- mode: I440r set mode: +o Fare 12:02:57 wow #forth has LOADS of ppl :) 12:02:57 I440r: you should be kicked for saying "c++" 12:03:08 * I440r kicks /me 12:03:42 for being aggressively off-topic :) 12:03:48 bongo if its forth i can live with oop 12:03:52 troll 12:03:56 I440r - what does 'ft' mean? 12:04:34 ft is how you talk in this mud game 12:04:40 What does it mean? 12:04:45 formation tell 12:04:53 um, OK. 12:04:55 to talk to specific person you say tell person message 12:04:59 ft is formation tell 12:05:17 OK. What was the significance of saying that followed by many bang 12:05:23 stores? 12:05:31 you can kill easier hehe 12:05:34 Oh! You were transmitting excitement to yourself? 12:06:22 "formation tell" sounds quite forthish 12:06:32 bongo hehe 12:06:35 * cleverdra nods. 12:07:24 --- nick: speuler -> bongo 12:07:32 works !! 12:07:39 :) 12:07:49 so you recon i would get a job dood ? 12:07:54 if its forth i can handle oop :) 12:08:15 I440r: if you're good :) 12:08:42 leave your iron @ home ... 12:08:55 bongo im good :P 12:09:03 no doubt 12:10:14 would it be contrat ? 12:10:20 prolly 12:10:20 if so - how much does it pay 12:10:25 you tell 12:10:55 at least 60 $ per hour MINIMUM 12:11:02 $120 + would work :) 12:11:14 ive never worked contract outside us - so dont know 12:11:16 somewhere in between 12:11:36 would work for me 12:11:46 would i pay taxes tho ? 12:11:53 your resonsabilty 12:11:55 here i get a percentage tax free 12:12:03 the better for you 12:12:05 i would prlly have to pay tax in both 12:12:19 you cash in - you pay tax 12:12:32 none withheld 12:13:09 aha ok 12:14:06 btw i realy need a job 12:14:22 i just wrote a 17k check as a part of downpayment on house 12:14:25 accommodation is a problem here. I'm staying at a camping site 12:14:25 im b0rked :P 12:14:34 * MrBean is drinking coffee 12:14:47 maybe ill get a tent :) 12:14:47 how long would that be for 12:15:40 if - when - I'm done getting the project to a state that it continues, it may be long term 12:16:01 :) 12:16:09 what is the problem with accomodation there 12:16:12 expensive ? 12:16:19 or non existant 12:16:20 --- quit: Fare (Connection reset by pear) 12:16:24 --- join: Fare (fare@aboukir-101-1-5-fare.adsl.nerim.net) joined #forth 12:16:29 --- mode: I440r set mode: +o Fare 12:17:44 difficult to get 12:17:50