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00:00:06 <I440r> man is driving his new wife home from the cuirch in his buggy
00:00:07 <MrReach> or, at least, I'll wait until I'm irritated w/ her
00:00:20 <I440r> on the way th ewind blew some leaves in front of his horse
00:00:45 <I440r> the horse got spooked and stopped
00:01:03 <I440r> the man gets out of the buggy walks to teh horse and shouts THATS ONE!
00:01:10 <I440r> he gets into teh buggy and sets off again
00:01:29 <I440r> a minute later some paper gets blown in front of the buggy and the horse shys again and stops
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00:01:45 <I440r> the man gets out wakls to teh horse, points his finger and shouts
00:01:49 <I440r> THATS TWO!
00:01:58 <I440r> he gets back into teh buggy ahd sets off again
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00:02:18 <I440r> a minute later a rabbit runs accross the road and makes the horse bolt
00:02:45 <I440r> when teh man gets the horse back under control he gets out of teh buggy and walks up frond and shouts THATS THERR!
00:02:55 <I440r> he then draws his gun and shoots the horse
00:03:20 <I440r> the wife, totally flabberchasted shouts "WHAT THE HELL DID YOU DO TAT FOR????"
00:03:37 <I440r> the man looks at his new wife, points his finger and shouts 
00:03:43 <I440r> "THATS ONE!"
00:03:44 <I440r> hehehe
00:03:57 <MrReach> HAHAHA!
00:04:22 <MrReach> next time my wife pisses me off, I'll shout "ONE!" really loud
00:04:35 <MrReach> when she asks what that's about, I'll tell her the joke
00:04:38 <I440r> u ever hear the man song ?
00:04:54 <I440r> u mite wanna play her the man song :)
00:04:54 <MrReach> no, don't think so
00:04:59 <I440r> let me put it in /pub
00:05:01 <I440r> its funny :)
00:05:03 <MrReach> nonono
00:05:09 <I440r> its short
00:05:20 <MrReach> I don't have the room ... and I'm VERY tired
00:05:35 <MrReach> (been driving for three days straight)
00:06:13 <I440r> k :)
00:06:20 <I440r> but it is REALY REALY funy
00:06:21 <I440r> hehe
00:06:28 <I440r> its in /pub if u change ur mind :)
00:07:19 <I440r> before i came back to usa my kid sis (then 12) sent it to me :)
00:07:24 <I440r> she is 16 now
00:09:25 <MrReach> ok
00:09:30 <MrReach> goodnight
00:09:33 <I440r> nite :)
00:09:37 <I440r> i shud go zzz too
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10:29:49 <Trey> wtf?
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11:13:24 <I440r> hi ppl
11:13:28 <I440r> brb
11:13:30 <I440r> coffee
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11:28:58 <Trey> cleverdra!
11:29:36 <Trey> I have some cheesey code to read from a type-1 PCI controler.
11:30:19 <Trey> And I seem to have succeeded in saving it to an Enth floppy image.
11:31:57 <cleverdra> Cool.
11:32:05 <cleverdra> hello Trey.
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11:33:06 <cleverdra> Trey - saving it anywhere would've been cool, so long you got it into a set of blocks you could look at later.  Have you tried the code yet?
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11:36:05 <cleverdra> Cool.
11:36:07 <cleverdra> hello Trey.
11:36:08 <cleverdra> Trey - saving it anywhere would've been cool, so long you got it into a set of blocks you could look at later.  Have you tried the code yet?
11:37:01 <Trey> I can read the PCI vendor and device IDs.
11:39:34 <Trey> I may want to change the code a bit, because right now I use a global variable for holding the current bus/device/function/offset to read from.
11:41:55 * cleverdra nods.
11:42:44 <cleverdra> Do you have the code online?
11:44:08 <Trey> Not yet.  I want to play with it a bit more.
11:44:23 <Trey> Besides, it doen't do very much usefull yet.
11:44:36 <cleverdra> OK.
11:45:23 <Trey> cleverdra: do you have a name for OVER SWAP ?
11:45:56 <Trey> Meaning, a name for the stack effect ( x y - x x y )
11:46:03 <cleverdra> Trey - the common name is dup2
11:47:03 <Trey> Hmm
11:47:06 <cleverdra> as in, dup the NOS.  under+ is another word, I think ( x y z - x+z y )
11:52:17 <Trey> I determined that Enth's number formatting routines break in HEX mode when the cell has the high bit set.
11:53:19 <Trey> 1 inv -> -2
11:53:35 <Trey> As opposed to FFFFFFFE
11:54:26 <cleverdra> where do you see this, Trey?
11:55:06 <Trey> In the Stack display.
11:55:17 <cleverdra> hm.  I don't see that here.
11:55:25 <Trey> Really?
11:55:30 <cleverdra> DEC (1) -2
11:55:51 <cleverdra> or something like that.  It doesn't break into HEX.
11:56:08 <cleverdra> I know this is probably stupid, but try:
11:56:11 <cleverdra> DECIMAL 1 inv
11:56:44 <Trey> That gives the expected -2
11:57:13 <Trey> Also, I know how to kill my clock task: hit escape right after Enth boots.
11:57:50 <cleverdra> The stack display should have HEX, BIN, and DEC displays for your BASE.  If you look on the forum I (somewhere) write some code for more advanced .BASEs
11:57:53 <Trey> If I have already switched tasks via "codeed focal" or similar, it works.
11:58:16 <cleverdra> Yes, I found that hitting escape right after Enth boots kills the clock, but I could wake it up without trouble.
11:58:23 <cleverdra> ALSO HIDDEN CLOCK PREVIOUS WAKE
11:58:50 <Trey> That seems to work for me.
12:24:15 <Trey> hex
12:24:36 <Trey> : bus ( n1 n2 - n1+) ff and 10 lshift swap ff00ffff and or ;
12:24:58 <Trey> : fun ( n1 n2 - n1+) 1f and 0b lshift swap ffff07ff and or ;
12:25:22 <Trey> (oops, that should read " : dev ", not " : fun "
12:25:50 <Trey> : fun ( n1 n2 - n1+) 7 and 8 lshift swap fffff8ff and or ;
12:26:13 <Trey> : offset ( n1 n2 - n1+) ff and swap ffffff00 and or ;
12:26:39 <Trey> : (pci) ( n - ) fffffffc and 80000000 or 0cf8 p! ;
12:27:10 <Trey> : pci@ ( n1 - n2) (pci) 0cfc p@ ;
12:27:32 <Trey> : pci! ( n1 n2 - n3) (pci) 0cfc p! ;
12:27:42 <Trey> decimal
12:28:38 <cleverdra> Interesting.
12:29:06 <Trey> My second attempt.
12:29:19 <Trey> Used like: 0 0 bus 0 dev 0 fun 0 offset pci@
12:29:38 <Trey> (which _should_ get you something like: xxxx8086
12:29:52 <Trey> 8086 == Intel PCI vendor ID
12:30:10 * cleverdra nods.
12:30:12 <Trey> xxxx == device id for the system board
12:30:30 <Trey> If this doesn't work on your machine, you have a PCI type-2 interface.
12:31:29 <cleverdra> What is the difference between them?
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12:33:55 <Trey> Slightly different access methods and the type-2 API can only handle 16 devices instead of 32.
12:35:27 <cleverdra> OK.  I'll check this out sometime later.  I need to get more information on the PCI interface first.
12:39:22 <Trey> Me too.  I've just hacked it from the BeOS kernel source :-)
12:48:05 <Trey> Grrr.  The keyboard doesn't work while Enth writes to the floppy.
12:48:27 <Trey> I can't use the keyboard shortcuts to twiddle my KVM switch.
12:50:40 <cleverdra> keyboard shortcuts to a KVM switch?  How would Enth interfere with that?
12:56:18 <Trey> The keyboard generates an interrupt and then waits for the CPU to poll the keyboard for the state change.
12:56:52 <Trey> Enth turns the interrupts off while writing the floppy, so the keyboard never gets polled and the KVM can't snoop the key presses.
12:57:26 <Trey> (at least, I think it works that way)
13:00:45 <cleverdra> OK.
13:01:34 <cleverdra> I think floppy reading and writing is supposed to be an uncommon task in Enth.   There's certainly a lot of time and effort in doing such.
13:02:41 <Trey> All I/O in Enth takes time.  Polling I/O status bits has that affect.
13:03:40 <Trey> Note that your typical Pentium CPU will run much hotter under Enth than other OSes.
13:04:02 <cleverdra> Why's that?
13:04:09 <Trey> It never idles the CPU.
13:04:37 <cleverdra> Oh.  hm.
13:04:56 <Trey> As far as I can tell, it sits in a tight loop handling the multitasker.
13:05:47 <Trey> If you have a compute bound task running on another OS (like Linux or Windows or BeOS), you'll have the same effect.
13:05:50 <cleverdra> I'm sending some email to Sean right now, do you want me to mention this to him?
13:06:26 <Trey> The heat thing?  I don't think it presents too much of a problem.  Just don't expect your laptop batteries to last very long :-)
13:07:15 * cleverdra nods.
13:18:36 <Trey> Ooops.
13:19:05 <Trey> One should strive to get the order of the parameters to DUMP correct.
13:19:21 <cleverdra> Yes, one should.
13:19:33 <cleverdra> I take it you're now being spammed with DUMP output?
13:20:01 <cleverdra> It should pause on screenfuls now, I think.
13:20:31 <Trey> It does not.
13:20:46 <cleverdra> Oh, you should fix that.
13:21:05 <Trey> WORDS now pauses on screenfulls.
13:21:24 <cleverdra> Were you able to ESC to another FOCUS task?
13:21:46 <cleverdra> Yeah, but with dump a pause is simplistic.
13:23:34 <Trey> I didn't trey ESC to another focus task.
13:23:55 <Trey> How do I create a wordlist?
13:23:55 <cleverdra> http://www.execpc.com/~geezer/os/
13:24:16 <cleverdra> a wordlist?  I dunno.  You can create a vocabulary with: VOCABULARY VOCNAME
13:24:18 <cleverdra> example use:
13:24:30 <cleverdra> only definitions vocabular mystuff
13:24:48 <cleverdra> : >mine only also mystuff definitions ;
13:24:57 <cleverdra> That's supposed to be VOCABULARY.
13:25:28 <cleverdra> VOCABULARY VOCNAME creates a vocabulary named VOCNAME and puts a word in the current vocabulary that changes the current vocabulary to it.
13:25:36 <Trey> Right.
13:25:53 <cleverdra> see also VOCS and ORDER
13:26:56 <cleverdra> two nice words to have.  Watch out for VOCS, though.  It doesn't display well, and the ' ok' response will go beyond the 80th column and cause problems if you're on line 23 (counting from 0).
13:27:27 <cleverdra> The basic problem of text reaching column 80 on line 23 still annoys me in Enth.
13:40:48 <Trey> I _really_ wish this machine had a reset switch.
13:42:16 <cleverdra> Yes.  Machines without that are very annoying.
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14:02:30 <cleverdra> http://fly.cc.fer.hr/GDM/articles/sndmus/speaker1.html
14:44:39 <Trey> Where do you get your glossary for Enth words like A! and !A+ ?
14:45:02 <cleverdra> flux.txt in the Enth distribution describes them, also the Flux Design webpage at pringle.sphosting.com
14:45:19 <Trey> Hmmm.
14:45:53 <cleverdra> the code is also pretty clear.  A! and friends just work on a variable, right now.  Maybe later they'll deal with an actual register.
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14:47:09 <Trey> !a Store TOS to memory cell at address A 
14:47:10 <Trey> @a Fetch contents of memory cell at address A and push to TOS 
14:47:10 <Trey> !a+ Perform a '@a' and increment A by one cell 
14:47:10 <Trey> @a+ Perform a '!a' and increment A by one cell 
14:47:28 <Trey> Doesn't he have the actions for !A+ and @A+ backwards?
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14:47:47 <cleverdra> Yes.
14:48:04 <cleverdra> Is that old?  If it isn't, I didn't even notice the incongruity.
14:48:16 <Trey> I just cut it from flux.txt
14:49:33 <notjunkd> ]hi
14:52:36 * Trey saves his work before nuking the system.  Again.
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15:13:05 <I440r> having some realy fucking annoying network problems on one machine
15:13:23 <I440r> if i ifup eth0 and then try ping or ANYTHING
15:13:34 <I440r> the whole fucking machine locks up
15:13:58 <edrx> which kernel?
15:14:39 <edrx> linux 2.4.6
15:15:03 <edrx> I hate hardware problems
15:15:35 <I440r> its not a hardware problem
15:15:46 <I440r> if i boot teh same machine to windows i got NO problems
15:15:50 <I440r> its this fscking NIC
15:15:56 <I440r> supposedly a tulip card
15:16:00 <edrx> driver problem, then :)
15:16:03 <I440r> but i think the tulip driver is fscked
15:16:15 <I440r> yea 2.4.6
15:20:50 <I440r> last try - then im throwing the nic out
15:21:54 <I440r> nope
15:21:58 <I440r> ifup eth0
15:22:00 <I440r> ping gateway
15:22:02 <I440r> HANGS
15:22:10 <edrx> I tried 2.4 and gave up and got back to 2.2
15:22:10 <I440r> fucking NIC is a piece of junk
15:22:28 <I440r> ive got 2.4 running on 2 other machines here NP
15:23:08 <I440r> its running on thins one too
15:23:25 <I440r> but theres something fucking with my mind here
15:24:50 <edrx> Linux is a piece of crap - too much beer and ego boosts
15:25:42 <I440r> i dont like fbsd
15:25:47 <I440r> joe /etc/passwd
15:25:51 <I440r> assuming you got joe
15:25:56 <I440r> edit file
15:25:58 <I440r> quit and save
15:26:00 <I440r> no change 
15:26:05 <I440r> fucked up
15:26:21 <I440r> u gotta run some fscking utility to copy /etc/passwd into some bullshit binary file
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15:27:04 <I440r> nj i saw ur message
15:27:05 <I440r> remind me
15:27:08 <notjunkd> ok
15:28:14 <I440r> remind me about it
15:28:42 <notjunkd> ok
15:29:43 <edrx> bye
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15:31:06 <I440r> R E M I N D   M E    A  B  O  U  T     I  T
15:31:18 <I440r> what part of taht done u understand ?
15:32:08 <I440r> hello ????
15:32:11 <notjunkd> i will
15:32:11 <notjunkd> oh
15:32:14 <notjunkd> i thought you ment later
15:32:17 <I440r> no
15:32:19 <I440r> i mean NOW
15:32:21 <notjunkd> as in 20 mins later
15:32:21 <notjunkd> heh
15:32:23 <notjunkd> ok
15:32:30 <notjunkd> the dist-upgrade downloaded fine
15:32:43 <notjunkd> it scanned the files fine (that where it normally fails)
15:32:46 <notjunkd> it set up some
15:32:48 <notjunkd> blah blah
15:32:50 <notjunkd> then it got to
15:32:54 <notjunkd> kernel-image-2.2.17
15:33:09 <notjunkd> it told me to rename my /lib/modules/2.2.17 to 2.2.17.old
15:33:10 <notjunkd> or so
15:33:11 <notjunkd> so i did
15:33:14 <notjunkd> it went and installed it
15:33:18 <I440r> run depmod -a
15:33:34 <notjunkd> do i continue to my main problem?
15:33:42 <I440r> wait
15:33:45 <notjunkd> k
15:34:02 <I440r> run depmod -a in terminal
15:34:05 <notjunkd> i did
15:34:06 <I440r> as root
15:34:07 <I440r> ok
15:34:08 <notjunkd> i did
15:34:09 <I440r> continue
15:34:11 <notjunkd> ok
15:34:14 <notjunkd> i'll skip
15:34:20 <notjunkd> my winmodem wasnt working
15:34:30 <notjunkd> so i went to do my install tecknekzzzz
15:34:35 <notjunkd> and it insmod'd the modem
15:34:39 <notjunkd> when i type pon inet
15:34:49 <notjunkd> 3 lines come up in terminal
15:34:55 <notjunkd> like at the prompt
15:35:00 <notjunkd> saying /dev/ttylt00 is my modem
15:35:06 <notjunkd> it's loading lucent modem controller etc
15:35:12 <notjunkd> it's dial as normal
15:35:20 <notjunkd> it makes those squeeky noises as normal
15:35:24 <notjunkd> so i asume it's connected
15:35:34 <notjunkd> then in the terminal it says some crap about pppbsd
15:35:38 <notjunkd> i go to go on irc
15:35:41 <notjunkd> using epi
15:35:44 <notjunkd> it cant connect
15:35:50 <notjunkd> i ping yahoo.com nothing
15:35:54 <notjunkd> but if i do ps aux
15:35:55 <I440r> you prolly dont have a default route
15:35:58 <notjunkd> pppd is running
15:36:00 <I440r> say route -n
15:36:06 <I440r> is there any default route in there
15:36:20 <notjunkd> um
15:36:26 <notjunkd> how do i know if its default
15:36:37 <notjunkd> there are 2 listed iface = ppp0 on both
15:36:41 <notjunkd> actually when it dials up
15:36:46 <notjunkd> i think it sets it to ppp1
15:36:48 <notjunkd> not ppp0
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15:36:56 <notjunkd> when it use to set to ppp0 
15:36:57 <I440r> paste the output of route -n in here
15:37:03 <notjunkd> i cant paste it
15:37:06 * Trey is idle: life, etc.
15:37:06 <notjunkd> i'll type it
15:37:37 <notjunkd> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
15:37:56 <notjunkd> 202.37.101.71 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp0
15:38:15 <notjunkd> 0.0.0.0 202.37.101.71 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 ppp0
15:38:23 <notjunkd> but im not connected to the net on linux right now
15:38:26 <notjunkd> should i be?
15:38:58 <I440r> erm were u running route from linux or windows ?
15:38:59 <I440r> u lost me
15:38:59 <I440r> hehe
15:39:03 <notjunkd> linux
15:39:06 <I440r> ok then
15:39:12 <I440r> u got a default route
15:39:15 <I440r> ping 24.234.52.1
15:39:21 <notjunkd> as i said
15:39:24 <notjunkd> should i be connected?
15:39:27 <notjunkd> in linux?
15:39:36 <I440r> erm what do u mean connected
15:39:43 <I440r> if u got a ppp device ur connected
15:39:45 <notjunkd> to the net
15:39:48 <I440r> ugh
15:39:52 <I440r> is p ON or off
15:39:55 <notjunkd> off
15:39:57 <I440r> ugh
15:39:57 <notjunkd> heh
15:39:58 <I440r> pon
15:40:00 <I440r> duh
15:40:03 <notjunkd> k
15:40:06 <I440r> he must be blond :P
15:40:26 <notjunkd> nah i got real dark hair
15:40:27 <notjunkd> hehe
15:40:30 <notjunkd> ok its connecting
15:40:44 <notjunkd> it didnt say that crap in the terminal this time
15:40:58 <notjunkd> ok
15:41:02 <notjunkd> what ip again?
15:41:35 <notjunkd> well i did yahoo.com
15:41:39 <notjunkd> and nothing comes
15:41:56 <I440r> just run ping 24.234.52.1 in a terminal and let it run
15:42:01 <I440r> then switch to another terminal
15:42:25 <I440r> i doubt u ahve any net diag tools installed so just tail -f /var/log/syslog
15:42:29 <notjunkd> ok
15:43:00 <notjunkd> er
15:43:19 <notjunkd> it said this in syslog
15:43:24 <notjunkd> again it went to ppp1 insted of ppp0
15:43:27 <notjunkd> but then it hang up
15:43:38 <I440r> run pppconfig again
15:43:46 <notjunkd> why
15:43:52 <I440r> because u fscked up in there
15:43:55 <I440r> musta
15:44:42 <notjunkd> ok
15:44:46 <notjunkd> i made a new one
15:45:00 <notjunkd> connect using that one??
15:45:05 <I440r> yes
15:45:20 <notjunkd> ima watching teh syslog
15:45:52 <notjunkd> it did ppp1 again
15:46:22 <notjunkd> all this crap came up
15:46:27 <notjunkd> saying sent [blah]
15:46:33 <notjunkd> rcvd [blah]
15:47:16 <notjunkd> un route -n thewre is a new one there
15:47:32 <notjunkd> more sent and rcvd things
15:47:46 <I440r> run route with no -n
15:47:48 <I440r> paste what u get
15:47:55 <I440r> i fixed my net problem!!!
15:48:01 <notjunkd> ok
15:48:07 <I440r> i did route and noticed the metric on my default gw was ZERO!!!!!
15:48:08 <I440r> hehe
15:48:25 <I440r> ifup -a is fscked somehow - i need to tell it that the metric should be 1
15:48:30 <notjunkd> > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
15:48:31 <notjunkd> > 202.37.101.71 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp0
15:48:31 <notjunkd> > 0.0.0.0 202.37.101.71 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 ppp0
15:48:36 <notjunkd> inbetween them 2
15:48:38 <notjunkd> it says
15:49:00 <notjunkd> 202.37.101.71 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp1
15:50:33 <I440r> metric is wrong on your default gw
15:50:38 <I440r> THAT was my problem here too
15:50:52 <notjunkd> ...
15:50:53 <I440r> your metric is saying your default gateway is ZERO hops from your box
15:50:58 <I440r> thats definatly wrong
15:51:04 <I440r> your metric should be at least 1
15:51:10 <I440r> im not sure how to fix that for u tho
15:51:16 <notjunkd> ah you bastard
15:51:19 <I440r> ask in #debian
15:51:22 <notjunkd> how come it worked before but not now?
15:51:29 <notjunkd> i don't like #debian
15:51:37 <I440r> tell them that your ppp's default gateway has a metric of zero - and u think that must be wrong
15:51:38 <I440r> tuff
15:51:41 <I440r> :P
15:51:43 <I440r> they can help u 
15:51:44 <I440r> i cajnt
15:51:47 <I440r> not for that
15:51:50 <I440r> i dont have ppp remember
15:52:13 <notjunkd> my ppp's default gateway was a metric of zero and i think thats wrong.. how do i make  it atleast 1?
15:52:16 <notjunkd> how's that
15:52:56 <notjunkd> how do i make it use ppp0
15:53:00 <notjunkd> insted of ppp1
15:53:14 <I440r> u ask in #debian :)
15:53:44 <notjunkd> surely you know the answer to that
15:54:00 <notjunkd> i installed xfree86-common btw i440r
15:54:06 <notjunkd> how to i fix0r it so it work
15:54:07 <notjunkd> s
15:55:11 <notjunkd> MWILSON
15:55:13 <notjunkd> answer you
15:55:14 <notjunkd> lol
15:55:18 <notjunkd> <mwilson> I440r: The only thing that's supposed to use the metric is routed.
15:55:19 <notjunkd> hahaha
15:55:22 <notjunkd> you're friend
15:56:10 <notjunkd> lol
15:58:06 <notjunkd> <PuterNerd> edit the ifup-ppp file to make ppp0 the deafault
15:58:13 <notjunkd> how the hell do i make it teh default
15:58:57 <notjunkd> i cant even find that file
16:01:09 <notjunkd> lol
16:01:12 <notjunkd> mwilson likes you i440r
16:04:08 <notjunkd> <fooz> notjunkd, they're dynamically allocated.
16:04:10 <notjunkd> fudge ball
16:21:41 <notjunkd> i440r
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16:23:57 <notjunkd> i440r
16:23:58 <notjunkd> i440r
16:23:59 <notjunkd> i440r
16:23:59 <notjunkd> i440r
16:25:14 <I440r> what
16:25:23 <notjunkd> it says this in syslog
16:25:24 <notjunkd> before dialing
16:25:37 <notjunkd> kernel: loading lucent modem controller blah blah
16:25:52 <notjunkd> modprobe: cant locate module char-major-100
16:26:01 <notjunkd> pppd: pppd started by roo
16:26:02 <notjunkd> t
16:26:07 <notjunkd> modprobe: cant locate module char-major-100
16:26:23 <notjunkd> pppd: failed to open /dev/ttyS14
16:26:38 <notjunkd> pppd: failed to open /dev/ttyS14: no such device rather
16:26:44 <notjunkd> do you tink any of them is the problem
16:27:02 <I440r> ask in #debian what char-major-100 is
16:27:05 <I440r> and how to alias it
16:27:18 <notjunkd> what is char-major-100 and also how do i alias it?
16:27:21 <notjunkd> wtf does that ,ean
16:28:07 <I440r> aits an alias thats required but not set
16:28:15 <I440r> its another name for a modulews
16:28:17 <I440r> module
16:28:20 <I440r> ask in #debian
16:28:22 <I440r> they can fix you 
16:29:38 <notjunkd> this is all your fault
16:29:39 <notjunkd> lol
16:29:43 <notjunkd> you made me dist-upgrade
16:29:47 <notjunkd> :p
16:30:00 <notjunkd>   now i cant get on the net but it thinks its on the net
16:31:00 <notjunkd> actually
16:31:04 <notjunkd> dist-upgrade was fine
16:31:12 <notjunkd> it was kernel-image-2.2.17 that fucked it up
16:31:16 <notjunkd> fuck you mr kernel-image
16:32:24 <notjunkd> i woder if i can apt-get remove kernel-image
16:34:04 <notjunkd> bewm@gateway:~$ telnet 192.168.1.3
16:34:05 <notjunkd> Trying 192.168.1.3...
16:34:05 <notjunkd> Connected to 192.168.1.3.
16:34:05 <notjunkd> Escape character is '^]'.
16:34:05 <notjunkd> Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable mark4
16:34:06 <notjunkd> mark4 login:
16:34:08 <notjunkd> lol
16:34:10 <notjunkd> Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable mark4
16:34:22 <notjunkd> thats what it says for me
16:34:24 <notjunkd> cept it says bogie not mark4
16:34:51 <I440r> hehe
16:34:59 <notjunkd> oi
16:35:01 <I440r> no
16:35:06 <I440r> dpkg --purge kernel-image
16:35:07 <notjunkd> kernel-image-2.2.17 fucked up my sys :(
16:35:12 <I440r> nope
16:35:13 <notjunkd> well the modem :(
16:35:14 <I440r> you did :P
16:35:19 <I440r> purge it hehe
16:35:22 <notjunkd> no IT did
16:36:11 <notjunkd> no i440r i cant remove it
16:36:17 <notjunkd> it said it'll delete my vmlinuz
16:36:30 <notjunkd> it said
16:36:42 <I440r> hehe do this
16:36:51 <I440r> cd into /boot
16:37:06 <I440r> tell me what files are in there
16:37:12 <I440r> do ls -al
16:37:19 <notjunkd> it has
16:37:45 <notjunkd> System.map-2.2.17 boot.030 boot.b chain.b config-2.2.17 map os2_d.b vmlinuz-2.2.17
16:40:48 <notjunkd> ..
16:43:15 <notjunkd> ??
16:43:33 <I440r> ok
16:43:40 <I440r> cp config-2.2.17 /usr/src
16:43:52 <I440r> cp vmlinus-2.2.17 vmlinuz
16:43:58 <I440r> THEN remove that package
16:44:01 <notjunkd> k
16:44:50 <notjunkd> then what
16:45:26 <I440r> have you removed it ?
16:45:39 <I440r> ln -s /boot/vmlinuz /vmlinuz
16:45:42 <I440r> then rerun lilo
16:47:18 <notjunkd> ok
16:47:30 <notjunkd> im restarting to 
16:47:35 <notjunkd> can you adduser junk
16:47:39 <notjunkd> on your mark4 box hehe
16:50:13 <I440r> no
16:50:18 <I440r> what do you mean on my mark4 box
16:50:53 <notjunkd> woah
16:51:01 <notjunkd> i got 8 lines of junk when i went to dialup this time
16:51:04 <notjunkd> 192.168.1.3
16:51:05 <notjunkd> :p
16:51:07 <notjunkd> mark4 box
16:51:13 <I440r> hell no
16:51:24 <notjunkd> aww
16:51:24 <notjunkd> :/
16:51:26 <notjunkd> how come
16:51:56 <notjunkd> i440r
16:51:58 <notjunkd> it's working!!!!
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16:52:07 <I440r> what is
16:52:08 <junk> epic4 1.0.1 + hienoa 0.40
16:52:14 <I440r> ok then
16:52:16 <junk> my modem!! 
16:52:19 <junk> wait
16:52:20 <I440r> grr leave me alone for christ sake :P
16:52:21 <junk> let me reconnect
16:52:23 <I440r> bleh :P
16:52:29 <junk> then you help me set up xfree86
16:52:29 <junk> :P
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16:52:34 <I440r> oh yea
16:52:35 <I440r> doh!
16:52:36 <notjunkd> hhehe
16:52:37 <notjunkd> i'll brb
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16:54:13 <notjunkd> epic4 1.0.1 + hienoa 0.40
16:54:14 <notjunkd> yey
16:54:14 <notjunkd> heh
16:54:17 <I440r> ok
16:54:24 <I440r> apt-get install -f xserver-xfree86
16:54:48 <notjunkd> k
16:54:52 <notjunkd> it's downloading
16:55:19 <notjunkd> what county is 35.*.*.*
16:55:19 <notjunkd> ?
16:55:24 <I440r> ?
16:55:28 <notjunkd> or where abouts in the states?
16:55:35 <notjunkd> that ip that starts with 35
16:55:43 <notjunkd> i get good d/l speeds from it
16:56:38 <I440r> erm you lost me
16:56:42 <notjunkd> ah
16:56:44 <notjunkd> nevermind
16:56:47 <notjunkd> you're just a newbie
16:56:51 <I440r> yup
16:56:55 <I440r> fix ur own damed x :P
16:56:56 <notjunkd> lol
16:56:58 <notjunkd> no
16:57:05 <notjunkd> well it's just not installed
16:57:21 <notjunkd> i need xf86setup but when i go to download, it says that it has no installation candidat
16:57:23 <notjunkd> or something
16:58:17 <I440r> no
16:58:19 <I440r> dont install that
16:58:20 <I440r> at all
16:58:23 <notjunkd> aww
16:58:27 <notjunkd> it's my friend
16:58:30 <I440r> you dont need it
16:58:31 <notjunkd> how am i ment to configure
16:58:41 <I440r> XFree86 -configure
16:58:42 <I440r> thats how
16:58:49 <notjunkd> is it dialog?
16:58:49 <I440r> then edit the file it leaves
16:58:53 <I440r> nope
16:58:55 <I440r> its auto
16:58:55 <notjunkd> no
16:58:58 <notjunkd> i hate editing files :P
16:59:05 <I440r> tuff
17:00:30 <I440r> tell me when that finished downloading everything
17:00:34 <I440r> do not do anything yet
17:00:37 <I440r> you got more to install first
17:01:33 <notjunkd> ok
17:04:27 <notjunkd> what is debconf
17:05:14 <I440r> ask in #debian :P
17:05:28 <I440r> im gona hafta train you to do that more often :P
17:06:21 <notjunkd> heh
17:06:58 <notjunkd> epic4 1.0.1 + hienoa 0.40
17:07:47 <I440r> brb
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17:08:41 <notjunkd> ew,  it's I440r
17:08:47 <notjunkd> the one with the underlined nicks
17:09:11 <I440r> nope
17:09:13 <I440r> not any more :)
17:09:20 <I440r> thats why i restarted xchat 
17:09:20 <notjunkd> hehehehbehhee
17:09:21 <I440r> so there
17:09:22 <I440r> bleh
17:09:28 <notjunkd> i'm using woody
17:09:30 <notjunkd> are you happy
17:09:36 <notjunkd> but i don't see any difference :/
17:10:23 <I440r> there are differences
17:10:29 <notjunkd> ..
17:10:30 <I440r> woody is about to go stable
17:10:37 <notjunkd> no diff to me
17:11:17 <I440r> you get x 4
17:11:18 <I440r> much better
17:11:21 <I440r> you get kernel 2.4
17:11:23 <I440r> much better
17:11:27 <I440r> well
17:11:29 <I440r> you will be getting it 
17:11:33 <I440r> but you dont got it yet :)
17:11:37 <notjunkd> when debian 2.3 is released
17:11:47 <notjunkd> i'll download the iso and it'll be on that
17:11:56 <I440r> you mean the ISO's
17:12:00 <I440r> theres 3 at elast
17:12:02 <I440r> least
17:12:02 <notjunkd> yea
17:12:06 <notjunkd> i'll get #1 again
17:12:12 <I440r> theres 5 unofficial woody cd's 
17:12:21 <I440r> you need 1 and 2 minimum
17:12:47 <notjunkd> ok
17:12:50 <notjunkd> they are downloaded
17:12:57 <notjunkd> ack
17:13:01 <notjunkd> what x server driver do i want
17:13:04 <notjunkd> svga
17:13:06 <notjunkd> thats right
17:13:10 <I440r> svga for now
17:13:14 <I440r> but frame buffer later
17:13:17 <notjunkd> svga isnt listed
17:13:17 <notjunkd> !
17:13:22 <I440r> what is
17:13:36 <notjunkd> vga
17:13:39 <notjunkd> and heaps more
17:13:44 <I440r> define heaps
17:13:47 <I440r> be specific
17:13:48 <I440r> heh
17:14:03 <notjunkd> s3virge apm ark ati cirrus
17:14:06 <notjunkd> mga
17:14:08 <notjunkd> i810
17:14:10 <notjunkd> vga
17:14:14 <notjunkd> nv
17:14:17 <notjunkd> tga
17:14:19 <notjunkd> trident
17:14:22 <notjunkd> tseng
17:14:25 <notjunkd> vesa
17:14:28 <notjunkd> fbdev
17:14:29 <I440r> take vesa
17:14:31 <notjunkd> glide
17:14:32 <notjunkd> ok
17:14:42 <I440r> but you realy should be using fbdev - but that wont work for you yet
17:14:48 <notjunkd> is my monitor a lcd device?
17:14:54 <I440r> dont be stupid
17:14:57 <notjunkd> heh
17:15:00 <I440r> lcd = liquid crystal
17:15:04 <notjunkd> to configure it
17:15:06 <notjunkd> simple
17:15:08 <notjunkd> advanced
17:15:08 <I440r> like on a watch or a LAPTOP!!!!
17:15:08 <notjunkd> or
17:15:10 <notjunkd> medium
17:15:15 <I440r> U PICK
17:15:17 <I440r> oopts caps
17:15:22 <I440r> medium
17:15:47 <notjunkd> ok
17:15:48 <notjunkd> it quit
17:15:51 <notjunkd> i did medium
17:15:54 <notjunkd> now what do i download
17:15:55 <notjunkd> ?
17:15:58 <notjunkd> xserver-svga
17:16:05 <I440r> you need to install more
17:16:10 <I440r> xbase-clients for one
17:16:21 <notjunkd> it downloaded that
17:16:24 <notjunkd> oh no it didnt
17:16:37 <I440r> xfonts-base
17:16:40 <I440r> xfonts-100dpi
17:16:43 <notjunkd> downloading
17:16:45 <I440r> xfonts-75dpi
17:16:52 <I440r> xfongs-pex
17:16:59 <I440r> xfonts-scalable
17:17:03 <I440r> wmaker
17:17:07 <I440r> wmaker-data
17:17:10 <I440r> wmakerconf
17:17:13 <I440r> wmakerconf-data
17:17:19 <notjunkd> wmaker
17:17:24 <notjunkd> erm
17:17:24 <notjunkd> sawfish thank you :p
17:17:31 <notjunkd> lol it depends how big wmaker is
17:18:12 <I440r> sawfish is crap
17:18:16 <I440r> get wmaker
17:18:19 <I440r> or else
17:18:20 <notjunkd> noo
17:18:20 <I440r> :P
17:18:23 <notjunkd> sawfish is cool
17:18:37 <notjunkd> i used it with gnome
17:19:27 <notjunkd> .>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
17:20:07 <I440r> gnome is totally fucked
17:20:10 <I440r> i HATE gnome
17:20:11 <I440r> its fat
17:20:12 <I440r> its slow
17:20:14 <I440r> it falls over
17:20:16 <I440r> its a pile of shit
17:20:29 <notjunkd> lol
17:20:32 <I440r> fuck gnome off and just go with plane jane sawfish
17:20:36 <I440r> or windowmaker 
17:20:41 <I440r> wm is much better than anything else
17:20:41 <notjunkd> plane jane
17:20:42 <notjunkd> heh
17:20:42 <I440r> so there
17:20:47 <notjunkd> oh yewah
17:20:50 <notjunkd> i'll take you on
17:20:51 <notjunkd> lol
17:21:28 <notjunkd> Linux bogie 2.2.17 #1 Sat Sep 9 12:42:22 EST 2000 i586 unknown
17:21:33 <notjunkd> thats my box
17:21:42 <notjunkd> type /exec -o uname -a
17:27:12 <I440r> did that finish downloading ?
17:27:18 <I440r> did you get all the ones i mentioned ?
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17:28:41 <travis_> anyone here heard of any free software Forth impls for ARM processors which compile to ARM machine code?
17:29:01 <travis_> and don't need an underlying OS?
17:29:16 <notjunkd> i440r i 56k here
17:29:45 <notjunkd> travisask i440r
17:31:30 <travis_> speak in english, not in 5kr1p7 k1dd13-5p33k
17:32:36 <notjunkd> that's his nick
17:32:42 <notjunkd> if you didnt notice
17:33:23 <travis_> ah
17:33:28 <I440r> which isnt leet
17:33:29 <I440r> its a guitar
17:33:30 <I440r> erm
17:33:31 <I440r> no
17:33:33 <I440r> it IS leet hehe
17:33:35 <travis_> hehe
17:33:37 <I440r> joe satriano uses it :P
17:33:43 <I440r> satrianI even
17:33:50 <travis_> so do you know of any Forth impls as I described?
17:34:22 <I440r> there may be one but i dont know if there is -
17:34:30 <I440r> do you subscribe to comp lang forth ?
17:34:33 <I440r> they could prllly tell you
17:34:38 <travis_> i need one for a cool handheld device implementing a protocol I'm making called Radionet
17:34:56 <travis_> (Radionet is pretty much secure, distributed spread spectrum packet data/audio networking)
17:35:17 <travis_> ah
17:35:44 <travis_> the problem is that i haven't been able to get my NNTP client to work right (it always sets my email as travis@localhost, and I haven't been able to set it to my email addr...)
17:36:01 <travis_> even though i've tried about three or four clients...
17:36:31 <I440r> hrm
17:36:35 <I440r> you use linux ?
17:36:39 <travis_> yep
17:36:45 <I440r> i use netscape for my nntp and web and email 
17:36:58 <travis_> i've tried slrn, trn, tin, etc.
17:36:59 <I440r> its easy to confogure
17:37:04 <I440r> what distro do you use ?
17:37:48 <travis_> LinuxPPC
17:38:00 <notjunkd> you on  a mac? or just a ppc comp?
17:38:12 <travis_> Mac, technically...
17:38:13 <notjunkd> brb
17:38:21 <notjunkd> i got an imac
17:38:23 <travis_> but the only reason why I use MacOS AT ALL anymore is to use my printer...
17:38:26 <notjunkd> but it's too lame for os x
17:38:35 <travis_> I'm not gonna get OS X
17:38:40 <travis_> I never was a GUI fan
17:38:50 <notjunkd> console = bad :p
17:39:01 <notjunkd> brb
17:39:31 <travis_> i'm a console junkie
17:43:07 <notjunkd> I440r what packages do i need to download again
17:43:11 <notjunkd> it just finished xbase-cliebts
17:44:34 <I440r> wait
17:44:47 <notjunkd> i'm downloading xfonts-100dpi
17:44:52 <I440r> xfonts-base
17:44:55 <I440r> xfonts-100dpi
17:45:00 <I440r> xfonts-75dpi
17:45:07 <I440r> xfonts-scalable
17:45:30 <I440r> you know you CAN do apt-get -f install package1 package2 package3 etc
17:45:36 <notjunkd> ugh
17:46:01 <notjunkd> ack 11mb
17:47:33 <I440r> just keep doing apt-get clean if you have to
17:47:44 <travis_> hehe
17:47:48 <I440r> i gotta reboot i just recompiled kernel
17:47:50 <I440r> brb
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17:47:58 <travis_> i personally just use .tar.gz and .tar.bz2 files
17:48:07 <notjunkd> heheh
17:48:23 <travis_> with a good source distro of a program, they are VERY easy to use
17:48:45 <travis_> one has to be, like, dain bramaged to not be able to install most software from source :P
17:53:41 <travis_> i've now got some docs for slrn
17:53:51 <notjunkd> i440r isnt back
17:53:57 <notjunkd> obvisouly his kernel is fugded up
17:55:27 <travis_> that would suck a lot
17:55:35 <notjunkd> hehe
17:56:50 * Trey has returned
17:56:50 <travis_> of course, with Forth on raw hardware there is no recompiling the kernel (except if the IO stuff is coded into Forth itself) :)
17:57:58 * Trey attempts to read the PCI configuration data using Enth.
17:59:32 * notjunkd is away, .
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18:08:29 <I440r> grrr stupid pcmcia
18:09:10 <notjunkd> lol
18:09:49 <travis_> pcmcia can be evil...
18:12:07 <I440r> :)
18:12:15 <I440r> spceiall with my 3ccfe575bt
18:12:23 <I440r> you got all that installed yet ?
18:12:27 <notjunkd> nope
18:12:28 <notjunkd> 30mins
18:12:29 <notjunkd> lol
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18:17:52 <travis_> yes - i finally got SLRN to work as I want!
18:18:48 <I440r> :)
18:19:45 <travis_> but dammit - the default background SUCKED
18:19:53 <travis_> white, white, everything was on white...
18:19:56 <travis_> but i changed it
18:20:06 <travis_> to pretty much everything on black :)
18:20:59 <I440r> hehe
18:26:17 <travis_> except for article numbers - for some reason, the background for those is disturbingly grey (and I don't see ANY color items with grey in them - must have forgotten about one...)
18:26:31 <notjunkd> 5m i440r
18:27:11 <I440r> k
18:27:34 <notjunkd> till the fonts are done
18:27:35 <notjunkd> lol
18:27:44 <notjunkd> then the wmaker stuff
18:27:45 <notjunkd> :p
18:27:54 <travis_> heh
18:35:29 <notjunkd> I440r
18:35:32 <notjunkd> they are downloaded
18:35:36 <notjunkd> now whats the ones for wmaker??
18:35:47 <notjunkd> wmaker and?
18:36:12 <I440r> wmaker-data
18:36:15 <I440r> wmakerconf
18:36:18 <I440r> wmakerconf-data
18:37:35 <notjunkd> downloading
18:41:30 <notjunkd> 8M
18:43:02 <notjunkd> ebg13
18:47:40 <notjunkd> i440r
18:48:13 <notjunkd> do i need to download xserver-svga
18:49:14 <I440r> NO
18:49:21 <I440r> there is onl;y ONE xserver
18:49:26 <I440r> that thats nxserver-xfree86
18:49:33 <I440r> xserver-svga is xf3 shit
18:49:39 <travis_> lol
18:49:40 <travis_> hehe
18:49:41 <I440r> you got everytihing ?
18:49:53 <I440r> say XFree86 -configure
18:50:07 <notjunkd> ok
18:50:13 <notjunkd> in 55seconds
18:51:34 <notjunkd> ok
18:51:35 <notjunkd> done
18:51:48 <I440r> XFree86 -configure
18:51:59 <notjunkd> i did
18:52:06 <notjunkd> i edit XF86Config.new ?
18:52:17 <I440r> no
18:52:22 <I440r> not yet
18:52:46 <I440r> when you ran XFree86 -configure it told you what to do with it - but it prolly wont work yet
18:53:18 <notjunkd> ok
18:53:54 <notjunkd> then what do i do?
18:55:03 <notjunkd> damnit
18:55:04 <notjunkd> !
18:56:02 <I440r> what did it say after you ran XFree86 -configure
18:56:09 <I440r> it told you how to test the file
18:56:20 <notjunkd> test it?
18:57:08 <I440r> yes
18:57:14 <notjunkd> it didnt work
18:57:18 <notjunkd> it had a bad res
18:57:23 <notjunkd> mouse didnt go (not set to gpmdata)
18:57:35 <notjunkd> and it just kept that funny greyey browny cross coloury thing
18:58:11 <I440r> ok
18:58:31 <I440r> edit the file and make the mosue use gpmdata
18:58:33 <I440r> you know how
18:58:44 <notjunkd> yeah
18:58:48 <notjunkd> i done that
19:00:14 <notjunkd> ..
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19:00:54 <I440r> ok hang on i gotta go do something
19:00:56 <I440r> ill brb
19:01:20 <notjunkd> llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
19:13:45 <notjunkd> eye fourty four zero are
19:16:41 <notjunkd> i440r
19:24:06 <notjunkd> I440r
19:24:11 <notjunkd> where did you go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
19:24:35 <I440r> sorry
19:24:38 <I440r> im half afk
19:24:43 <I440r> i get coffee now
19:24:48 <I440r> then i format your dos partition
19:24:52 <I440r> erm i men get x working :P
19:24:56 <notjunkd> yes
19:25:13 <notjunkd> i want x!
19:25:22 <notjunkd> apt-get install ssh doesnt work ://
19:26:59 <I440r> i know
19:27:00 <I440r> ok
19:27:12 <notjunkd> i had to download the .tgz
19:27:18 <I440r> no
19:27:23 <I440r> you need non-us
19:27:40 <notjunkd> er
19:27:41 <notjunkd> oh
19:27:42 <notjunkd> okay
19:27:44 <notjunkd> heh
19:27:47 <notjunkd> let me d3l the .tgz
19:27:53 <I440r> ok - what do you get when you run x with that generated config file ?
19:28:15 <notjunkd> what is it
19:28:17 <notjunkd> http.non-us.?
19:28:22 <I440r> wait
19:28:24 <I440r> forget that
19:28:27 <I440r> we do x first
19:28:30 <notjunkd> ok
19:28:37 <I440r> but i need to log in and look at it
19:28:41 <notjunkd> ok
19:28:44 <notjunkd> please hold
19:29:23 <notjunkd> got to install telnetd and ttysnoop
19:29:59 <I440r> hehe you wont get ttysnoop working :P
19:31:18 <notjunkd> login
19:31:21 <notjunkd> same l/p
19:31:24 <notjunkd> i think i got it going
19:31:25 <notjunkd> :p
19:31:43 <I440r> connection closed
19:31:47 <I440r> by forign host
19:31:56 <I440r> and yes you ARE a forigner!!! :)
19:31:57 <notjunkd> ok hold
19:32:02 <notjunkd> heh
19:32:32 <notjunkd> why isnt it going
19:32:37 <I440r> dunno
19:32:41 <notjunkd> telnet          stream  tcp     nowait  root    /usr/sbin/tcpd  /usr/sbin/in.te
19:32:43 <notjunkd> that is right
19:33:51 <I440r> no in.telnetd
19:34:33 <notjunkd> yeah
19:34:36 <notjunkd> thats just where it ended
19:35:56 <notjunkd> its ttysnoop doing it
19:36:47 <notjunkd> ok
19:36:48 <notjunkd> login now
19:36:51 <notjunkd> ttysnoop isnt working
19:36:53 <I440r> ok hang on
19:39:05 <I440r> cant open tty
19:40:02 <notjunkd> ok
19:40:02 <notjunkd> hold
19:40:21 <notjunkd> try now
19:40:41 <notjunkd> ok
19:40:42 <notjunkd> wait
19:40:42 <notjunkd> lol
19:41:08 <notjunkd> go now
19:41:09 <notjunkd> heh
19:41:50 <notjunkd> i cant get ttysnoop going :/
19:42:05 <I440r> im installing less
19:42:15 <notjunkd> ok
19:44:10 <notjunkd> I440r
19:44:12 <notjunkd> can you relogin
19:44:15 <notjunkd> i got ttysnoop going
19:44:45 <notjunkd> plz
19:45:14 <I440r> try using that XF86Config.new
19:45:18 <I440r> tell me what it does
19:45:25 <notjunkd> ok
19:46:19 <I440r> is it working ?
19:46:23 <notjunkd> it just sits there again
19:46:24 <notjunkd> also
19:46:26 <I440r> can you move the mouse arround a grey background
19:46:26 <notjunkd> could you relogin
19:46:31 <I440r> can you move the mouse
19:46:38 <notjunkd> kinda
19:46:40 <notjunkd> not really
19:46:41 <I440r> its going to be nothing but the background
19:46:44 <notjunkd> goes all fast
19:46:46 <I440r> its jerkey
19:46:46 <notjunkd> ok
19:46:47 <I440r> ok
19:46:50 <notjunkd> not properly
19:46:50 <I440r> thats fine
19:46:51 <notjunkd> yeah
19:47:01 <notjunkd> relogin
19:47:11 <notjunkd> please
19:47:14 <I440r> no
19:47:16 <I440r> wait
19:47:18 <notjunkd> PLEASE
19:47:24 <I440r> next time
19:47:28 <notjunkd> no
19:47:28 <I440r> i killed gpm
19:47:34 <notjunkd> you penis
19:47:44 <notjunkd> you have to log back in now
19:48:10 <I440r> wait
19:48:32 <I440r> wegot a problem
19:48:35 <I440r> same one i have here
19:48:42 <I440r> if i dont ahve a responsiveness sett in console
19:49:16 <I440r> i have to move the mouse 4 times from edge of pat to other edge to get mouse to move a half an inch on screen
19:49:20 <I440r> then when i start x
19:49:30 <I440r> i hjust touch the mouse and it goes from one side of the screen to the other
19:49:36 <notjunkd> yeah
19:49:38 <notjunkd> that what i get
19:49:43 <I440r> run gpmconfig and kill the responsivness
19:49:46 <I440r> set it to 0
19:49:52 <I440r> then run that test again
19:49:58 <notjunkd> ok
19:50:07 <I440r> if that works the only thing i can say is purge gpm and have x own the mouse
19:50:20 <notjunkd> christ
19:50:22 <notjunkd> its slow!#
19:50:49 <notjunkd> nah the mouse didnt work
19:50:53 <notjunkd> it still did the fast at times
19:50:54 <notjunkd> things
19:50:57 <notjunkd> so over to the other side etc
19:51:04 <I440r> ok wait
19:51:41 <I440r> rujn test again
19:52:01 <notjunkd> it didnt even load
19:52:06 <notjunkd> no core pointer
19:52:13 <I440r> try now i needed to kill gpm
19:52:36 <notjunkd> same
19:52:38 <notjunkd> no core pointer
19:52:56 <notjunkd> can you relogin?
19:52:58 <I440r> grrr
19:52:59 <I440r> no
19:53:09 <I440r> i know why
19:53:10 <I440r> wait
19:53:35 <I440r> try again
19:53:40 <I440r> this time it will work
19:53:52 <I440r> but if it does you have to purge gpm
19:54:06 <notjunkd> it worked
19:54:17 <I440r> say startx
19:54:24 <I440r> if it runs and quits right away tell me
19:54:30 <I440r> thats not a fsckup
19:54:31 <notjunkd> fuck
19:54:32 <notjunkd> it works
19:54:38 <notjunkd> but fix that fucking resolution
19:54:43 <notjunkd> it ran
19:54:44 <I440r> what is the resolution
19:54:44 <notjunkd> got to wmaker
19:54:49 <notjunkd> it's like 1x1
19:54:54 <I440r> 1x1 ?
19:55:02 <notjunkd> 640x
19:55:05 <notjunkd> 640x480
19:55:08 <I440r> ok
19:55:14 <notjunkd> gimme 1024x768
19:55:16 <notjunkd> or what ever
19:55:24 <I440r> im going to run startx here ill tell you when to kill it
19:55:34 <notjunkd> how the hell do i do that
19:55:35 <notjunkd> lol
19:55:44 <I440r> dont kill it yet
19:55:48 <notjunkd> oops
19:55:48 <notjunkd> lol
19:55:49 <notjunkd> haha
19:55:49 <notjunkd> :P
19:56:30 <I440r> stop fuckig killing it and install xfonts-pex
19:56:32 <notjunkd> are you able to kill it?
19:56:48 <notjunkd> i dunno when you want me to kill it
19:56:56 <I440r> ill TELL you when
19:57:02 <notjunkd> but i cant see her!
19:57:05 <notjunkd> but i cant see here!!
19:57:19 <I440r> what do you mean
19:57:24 <I440r> you cant see irc wieh i startx ?
19:57:29 <notjunkd> no
19:57:41 <notjunkd> i'll go into a terminal
19:57:44 <notjunkd> and you do a wall
19:57:45 <notjunkd> ok?
19:57:50 <I440r> ok - all the good modes are deleted when you start x
19:57:56 <notjunkd> i knolw
19:57:59 <I440r> because the hsync is out of range
19:58:05 <notjunkd> translation
19:59:38 <I440r> ok we need kernel source 2.5.6 :)
19:59:43 <I440r> i can solve this with frame buffer
19:59:49 <I440r> but i dont know how without
19:59:57 <notjunkd> fuck
19:59:57 <notjunkd> fuck
20:00:00 <notjunkd> fuck
20:00:04 <notjunkd> i'm sick of all this fucking downloading
20:00:11 <I440r> you shoulda copid the source fromj /usr/src to /dos
20:00:14 <I440r> dumbass
20:00:20 <I440r> wait
20:00:31 <notjunkd> cant you ask in #debian
20:00:34 <I440r> do you have kernel-headers installed ?
20:00:38 <notjunkd> yea
20:00:54 <I440r> im going to build 2.2.17
20:00:59 <I440r> see if i can get fb working here
20:00:59 <notjunkd> er?
20:01:02 <notjunkd> translate
20:01:09 <I440r> frame buffer
20:01:11 <notjunkd> what ever
20:01:12 <notjunkd> wait
20:01:14 <notjunkd> before you do
20:01:16 <notjunkd> can you relogin?
20:01:31 <I440r> yea for this
20:01:34 <notjunkd> yey
20:01:36 <I440r> so you can watch me make menuconfig
20:01:41 <I440r> i just installed libncurses-dev
20:01:45 <notjunkd> ok
20:01:53 <notjunkd> w
20:02:00 <notjunkd> relogin in then
20:02:03 <I440r> will
20:02:11 <I440r> soon as this has finished installing
20:02:15 <notjunkd> how long
20:02:19 <I440r> im getting libncurses5-dev
20:02:24 <I440r> 3 mins
20:02:28 <I440r> you prolly also need bin86
20:02:45 <notjunkd> lol
20:02:52 <notjunkd> ./var/cache/apt/archives it 81mb
20:02:55 <notjunkd> heh
20:04:24 <notjunkd> how long
20:04:49 <I440r> its 75%
20:05:09 <I440r> better do a apt-get clean in a second or 2 then when this is finished :)
20:05:16 <I440r> 22s
20:05:24 <notjunkd> ok
20:06:30 <notjunkd> relogin
20:07:42 <notjunkd> i installed bin86
20:07:47 <notjunkd> :p
20:07:51 <I440r> i did apt-get clean :P
20:08:07 <notjunkd> i saw
20:09:55 <I440r> what processordo you got again ?
20:10:23 <I440r> ding ding ding ding
20:10:35 <notjunkd> we
20:10:36 <notjunkd> er
20:10:36 <notjunkd> what
20:10:40 <notjunkd> amd k2
20:11:35 <I440r> you want apm shit ?
20:11:44 <I440r> so it turn off when you forget to move mouse ?
20:11:52 <notjunkd> er
20:11:53 <notjunkd> what
20:11:58 <notjunkd> oh
20:11:58 <I440r> power saving
20:11:59 <notjunkd> nope
20:12:01 <notjunkd> i dontlike that
20:12:02 <I440r> good
20:12:03 <I440r> :P
20:12:11 <notjunkd> it pisses me off
20:12:38 <notjunkd> wait
20:12:38 <notjunkd> you dick
20:12:41 <notjunkd> ihave ADAPT cdrom
20:12:46 <notjunkd> atapi
20:12:54 <I440r> you also have cd burner
20:12:58 <notjunkd> yea
20:12:59 <I440r> im going to get THAT working too
20:13:05 <notjunkd> heh
20:13:07 <notjunkd> okay
20:13:09 <notjunkd> heh
20:13:25 <I440r> you have that via chipset rite >?
20:13:32 <notjunkd> yeah
20:13:36 <notjunkd> lspci
20:13:39 <notjunkd> lists mostly via stuff
20:15:00 <notjunkd> i dont have a SCSI
20:15:27 <I440r> hehe trust me
20:15:32 <notjunkd> right
20:15:45 <I440r> see the item highlighted ?
20:15:47 <I440r> scsi emulation
20:15:56 <notjunkd> yeah
20:15:57 <I440r> way back in phre history all cd burners were scsi
20:16:08 <I440r> linux is so fscking lame the are still in the dark ages with cd writers
20:16:15 <I440r> linux assumes all cd burners are scsi
20:16:19 <notjunkd> lol
20:16:19 <notjunkd> heh
20:16:23 <I440r> so you need to emulate scsi to use a cd burner
20:16:45 <I440r> what nic do you have again ?
20:17:09 <notjunkd> um
20:17:10 <notjunkd> i dunno
20:17:12 <notjunkd> lspci?
20:17:25 <notjunkd> reakteck
20:17:28 <notjunkd> realteck
20:17:31 <notjunkd> realtek
20:17:42 <I440r> pci ?
20:17:51 <notjunkd> yup
20:17:55 <notjunkd> 8139 as well
20:18:38 <notjunkd> heh
20:18:48 <notjunkd> thanks for that :P
20:20:36 <I440r> you use udf file system with ur cd's ?
20:20:41 <notjunkd> no idea
20:20:45 <I440r> do you format them and drag and drop shit onto them in windows ?
20:20:55 <notjunkd> no idea
20:20:57 <notjunkd> i dont think so
20:21:02 <notjunkd> they are just there when we put the cd in
20:21:03 <notjunkd> lol
20:21:06 <notjunkd> oh
20:21:07 <notjunkd> no
20:21:45 <notjunkd> fb
20:21:51 <notjunkd> will this do the pengiun?
20:21:55 <I440r> yes
20:21:57 <notjunkd> hehehehe
20:21:58 <notjunkd> also
20:21:59 <I440r> sound card again ?
20:22:02 <notjunkd> is it vga=782
20:22:07 <notjunkd> because i hate this font size
20:22:08 <notjunkd> trident
20:24:38 <I440r> ok leave that for 8746237857985 hours while it compiles :)
20:24:42 <notjunkd> ok
20:24:46 <notjunkd> it's not that long
20:24:47 <notjunkd> hehe
20:24:54 <notjunkd> what does make dep do?
20:26:24 <I440r> it builds a list of dependancies for the make
20:26:36 <I440r> it basically goes through every file specified in the make files
20:26:43 <I440r> sees what files include what file
20:26:51 <I440r> if file x #includes file y
20:26:56 <I440r> file x depends on file y
20:27:08 <I440r> it bulids the dependancies for the entire build 
20:27:21 <I440r> clean removes old compiles
20:27:29 <I440r> before i did make menuconfig i did make mrproper
20:27:33 <I440r> thats like make extra clean hehe
20:32:06 <notjunkd> k
20:32:40 <notjunkd> is it doing a make bzImage now?
20:32:53 <I440r> prolly
20:36:31 <I440r> brb restarting xchat
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20:37:04 <notjunkd> hi
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20:37:52 <notjunkd> hi
20:38:43 <I440r> you rbox is slow
20:39:00 <I440r> i can compile 2.4.6 in 3 minutes :P
20:39:11 <I440r> and thats dep clean bzImage AND modules :P
20:39:15 <notjunkd> heh
20:39:19 <notjunkd> i got 300mhz
20:41:41 <I440r> well i gues you po'folk cant afford better eh ?
20:41:42 <I440r> hehehe
20:42:16 <notjunkd> not really
20:42:23 <notjunkd> its done
20:57:38 <notjunkd> brb :]
20:57:40 <notjunkd> i use
20:57:44 <notjunkd> linux3 ?
20:59:15 <notjunkd> ?????????????????
20:59:36 <notjunkd> fucker
20:59:39 <I440r> yes
20:59:44 <I440r> dumbass
20:59:46 <I440r> :P
21:00:01 <notjunkd> brb
21:00:01 <notjunkd> :P
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21:00:05 <I440r> if it dont work use linux 1 which might have modules missing now but you can forget that
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21:03:02 <notjunkd> i440r it says
21:03:05 <notjunkd> no such module ppp
21:03:08 <notjunkd> it worked though
21:03:16 <notjunkd> i cant connect to the net
21:04:41 <I440r> well you need to reinstall ur modem dont you
21:04:45 <I440r> get on with it
21:04:52 <I440r> edit lilo.conf
21:05:00 <I440r> get rid of option 1
21:05:04 <notjunkd> ok
21:05:05 <I440r> replace it with option 3
21:06:11 <notjunkd> no dik
21:06:15 <notjunkd> it says no such PPP mod
21:06:18 <I440r> what do you mean no disk
21:06:22 <I440r> oh
21:06:24 <I440r> erm
21:06:26 <I440r> hehe
21:06:34 <I440r> ill fix that
21:06:48 <notjunkd> how
21:06:59 <I440r> need to add ppp support to kernel
21:07:07 <notjunkd> how
21:07:16 <I440r> recompile hehe
21:07:17 <I440r> actually
21:07:19 <I440r> YOU can do it
21:07:23 <I440r> cd /usr/src/linux
21:07:27 <I440r> make menuconfig
21:07:31 <I440r> go to network options
21:07:34 <I440r> find ppp and add it
21:07:46 <I440r> as a module if possible
21:08:15 <notjunkd> doe
21:08:17 <notjunkd> done
21:08:34 <I440r> make dep clean bzImage modules modules_install
21:08:41 <notjunkd> ok
21:08:43 <I440r> tell me when that is done
21:08:43 <notjunkd> it's going
21:09:34 <notjunkd> oi
21:09:35 <notjunkd> fuck
21:09:42 <notjunkd> cat /dev/sndstat
21:09:46 <notjunkd> 3 installed drivers
21:09:53 <notjunkd> thats right isnt it??
21:10:27 <notjunkd> how can i test sound
21:11:39 <I440r> well
21:11:42 <I440r> are you root ?
21:11:45 <notjunkd> yes
21:11:49 <notjunkd> it's my box idio
21:11:50 <notjunkd> t
21:11:51 <I440r> say splay
21:11:59 <I440r> do you have it ?
21:12:01 <notjunkd> no command
21:12:09 <I440r> ok well we can install later
21:12:13 <I440r> cat /dev/sndstat
21:12:26 <I440r> do you have any audio devices listed
21:12:36 <notjunkd> no
21:12:40 <notjunkd> damn
21:12:43 <notjunkd> i guess thats waht you eed
21:14:12 <I440r> do you have ANY devices at all listed there ?
21:14:42 <notjunkd> some midi devices
21:14:53 <I440r> well you got midi
21:14:58 <I440r> just no sound :P
21:15:01 <notjunkd> ugh
21:15:04 <notjunkd> get me f'ing sound
21:15:06 <I440r> i do NOT know why
21:24:59 <I440r> does x work ?
21:25:07 <I440r> we didnt finish that did we
21:25:31 <I440r> do you got a penguin logo at boot ?
21:25:42 <notjunkd> yes
21:27:42 <I440r> ok
21:27:51 <notjunkd> ok
21:27:53 <notjunkd> all done
21:27:55 <notjunkd> now what?
21:28:00 <I440r> we need to get x up
21:28:05 <I440r> with frame buffer
21:28:07 <I440r> let me back in
21:28:15 <notjunkd> i need to restart?
21:28:23 <I440r> i need telnetd running
21:29:26 <notjunkd> im restarting
21:33:27 <notjunkd> errors
21:33:43 <notjunkd> unresolved symbol errors again!!!!!!!!!
21:35:22 <I440r> hehe
21:35:35 <I440r> ur supposed to rm -rf /lib/modules
21:35:38 <I440r> make modules_install
21:35:40 <notjunkd> o
21:35:41 <notjunkd> lol
21:35:41 <notjunkd> :P
21:35:43 <I440r> depmod -a after compiling :P
21:36:32 <notjunkd> still getting unresolved errors
21:36:46 <notjunkd> tell me full instructions
21:36:52 <notjunkd> from rm -rf /lib/modules
21:36:52 <I440r> make modules
21:36:58 <I440r> make modules_install
21:37:00 <I440r> depmod -a
21:37:16 <I440r> cp System.map /boot/System.map-2.2.17
21:37:28 <I440r> cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/bzImage-2.2.17
21:37:33 <I440r> i bet you didnt do that did you
21:37:36 <notjunkd> no
21:37:41 <I440r> dumbass
21:37:46 <I440r> then run lilo
21:37:47 <I440r> and reboot
21:37:49 <I440r> hehe
21:39:02 <notjunkd> k
21:40:17 <notjunkd> ok
21:40:22 <notjunkd> trying to get modem going again
21:40:56 <notjunkd> STILL NOT WORKING
21:42:04 <I440r> after doing make menuconfig
21:42:05 <I440r> do 
21:42:14 <I440r> make dep clean bzImage modules 
21:42:17 <I440r> rm -rf /lib/modules
21:42:22 <I440r> make modules_install
21:42:30 <notjunkd> i did
21:42:33 <I440r> cp System.map /boot/system.map
21:42:38 <I440r> erm upper case the S tho
21:42:47 <I440r> ok go back in to make menuconfig
21:42:52 <I440r> somewhere near ppp is slip
21:42:53 <I440r> add that
21:42:57 <notjunkd> ok
21:43:05 <I440r> there are sub options to sllip
21:43:13 <I440r> keep alive and 6 bit slip etc
21:43:18 <I440r> i forget which ones ther are
21:43:19 <I440r> tell me
21:43:23 <I440r> ill tell you what you want
21:43:47 <notjunkd> cslip compressed headers
21:43:57 <notjunkd> keepalive and linefill
21:44:01 <notjunkd> sox bot slip
21:44:04 <notjunkd> therm
21:44:06 <notjunkd> sox = 6
21:44:34 <notjunkd> hi
21:45:32 <notjunkd> ANSWER
21:45:47 <I440r> take compressed headers and keep alive
21:45:49 <I440r> i think tahts rite
21:45:56 <I440r> you dont want 6 bit tho i dont think
21:45:59 <I440r> now 
21:46:05 <I440r> make dep clean bzImage modules
21:46:10 <I440r> rm -rf /lib/modules
21:46:17 <I440r> make modules_install
21:46:19 <I440r> depmod -a
21:46:30 <I440r> cp System.map /boot/System.map-2.2.17
21:46:45 <I440r> cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/bzImage-2.2.17
21:46:47 <I440r> depmod -a
21:46:48 <I440r> lilo
21:46:51 <I440r> reboot
21:46:53 <notjunkd> what does depmod -a do
21:47:11 <notjunkd> it says that unresolved symbols mean that i dont have the same kernel version as the headers
21:47:13 <notjunkd> but i do!
21:48:45 <I440r> thats ok
21:48:52 <notjunkd> but it doesnt insmod them
21:48:55 <notjunkd> or anything
21:49:05 <I440r> ytou have to reboot after compiling kernel
21:49:12 <I440r> the modules you instaled are for the NEW kernel
21:49:25 <notjunkd> before i restart
21:49:27 <I440r> they are being compared against the running kernel and there are unresolved references there
21:49:30 <notjunkd> should i try insmod the ltmodem?
21:49:30 <I440r> it doesnt matter
21:49:33 <I440r> NO
21:49:39 <I440r> build everything
21:49:41 <notjunkd> but thats what ive been doing
21:49:41 <I440r> install everything
21:49:44 <I440r> depomd -a
21:49:45 <notjunkd> restarting then trying to insert them
21:49:46 <I440r> forget errors
21:49:48 <notjunkd> it doesnt work!!
21:49:54 <I440r> then REBOOT!!!!
21:49:57 <I440r> afgter running lilo
21:50:03 <notjunkd> i have reboot already!
21:50:12 <I440r> say depmod -a
21:50:17 <I440r> what errors do you get
21:50:24 <notjunkd> unresolved symbols
21:51:59 <I440r> WHAT unresolved symbols
21:52:03 <notjunkd> heaps
21:52:07 <notjunkd> these tty ones
21:52:11 <notjunkd> before it says
21:52:17 <notjunkd> if you get unresolved symbols
21:52:26 <notjunkd> wrong kernel headers ver etc etc blah bleh
21:53:23 <I440r> no
21:53:33 <I440r> just tell me WHAT fucking symbols are unresolved
21:54:22 <notjunkd> there are too many charavters in them
21:54:44 <I440r> i NEED to know to know how to fix
21:54:48 <I440r> what symbols
21:56:20 <notjunkd> ill tell you later gurd
22:04:47 <I440r> im going to bed
22:04:54 <I440r> cu 2morrow
22:06:28 <notjunkd> rebooting
22:06:31 <notjunkd> no
22:06:34 <notjunkd> okay
22:06:36 <notjunkd> you dik
22:06:37 <notjunkd> heh
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